## Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

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Boris Lagutin

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

Even though you had already given me this link time in which you give me is appropriate
Boris Lagutin

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

Let me assume a string and a ball connected with the spring. So if we rotate the system "ball-spring" around some center we get circular motion (no matter which plane (vertical, horizontal, tilted). Let's take a vertical plane so we have: T + mg = ma, hence T = m*(a - g). Then T = 0 when a = g (weightlessness of object). In this case if centripetal acceleration "a" goes to infinity it means that T increases (doesn't matter in which plane we rotate). If I don't mistake it looks like: plane of rotation has some relations of relativity with a vector (coming from center) of gravitational field? In other words, it depends on which angle is between the rotation plane and a gravity field radius I don't know how to express. I have not learnt gravity fields yet.
Boris Lagutin

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

To clarify my previous post I want to say the following. If we rotate the system in a vertical plane the equation is true: T + mg = ma (on the top of circular motion). Moreover, the state of weightlessness may be not only at the top. So if we rotate strongly enough we can get the state at other points around the top. However, if we rotates the system at a tilted plane with respect to the Earth this equation changes. Could someone explain how the equation changes? Clearly we additionally get x-components in this equation. But it's a circular motion so far. I suspect x and y components are not enough here, right?

Thank you.
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### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

For the rotation about an inclined axis, you'll need to specify components in all three dimensions.
Also, you need to be careful about two things:
- if the mass is on a spring, rather than an inextensible string, then its path will not be circular: the spring will be longer at the bottom.
- in the absence of other forces, it will not be uniform circular motion: it will travel fastest at the bottom.
So it will be a complicated problem.
Boris Lagutin

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

Thanks a lot, Joe.
joe
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### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

Moment of Inertia is not applied in Linear motion at all, if I don't mistake. If it is so, why isn't Moment of Inertia applied in Linear motion?
It is not included in the linear motion of a particle, because particles have no extent, and so cannot rotate. If a macroscopic object is travelling in a line and also rotating, then the kinetic term includes both 1/2 mv^2 and 1/2 I*omega^2.
I think Inertia plays some role in Linear motion as well as in Rotational motion but Inertia is no any means taken into account in Linear motion formulas (Kinetic energy, momentum etc.). Why does it happen so?
I, which is the moment of inertia (also called rotational inertia), is the analogue of mass for rotational motion. So linear kinetic energy is 1/2 mv^2, rotational kinetic energy is 1/2 I omega^2.

http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu. ... ation.html
joe
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### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

What if define any mass by Inertia, not how it does now Inertia by mass? In other words, change a general method to model systems. Just thoughts.
For many people, inertia and mass are synonymous. To avoid potential ambiguities, I usually avoid the term 'inertia'.
The text passage is a series of posts from a physics forum discussing inertia in linear and rotational motion, with a focus on the mechanics of a ball-spring system in circular motion and the role of moment of inertia.
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the passage does not contain a clear, direct mathematical question that requires a specific numerical or symbolic answer. instead, it consists of a discussion and explanation of concepts related to physics, particularly inertia and rotational motion.
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    1. If it contains a mathematical question (including word problems or calculations)
    2. If an answer to that mathematical question is provided in the text

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## Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

A forum set up for physics questions from students in the courses PHYS1121, 1131, 1221 and 1331 at the University of New South Wales. It is intended for questions that cannot readily be answered in class,
either because they fall outside the main syllabus and therefore would be distraction (however interesting) or for other reasons.

Moderator: msmod

Boris Lagutin

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

Even though you had already given me this link time in which you give me is appropriate
Boris Lagutin

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

Let me assume a string and a ball connected with the spring. So if we rotate the system "ball-spring" around some center we get circular motion (no matter which plane (vertical, horizontal, tilted). Let's take a vertical plane so we have: T + mg = ma, hence T = m*(a - g). Then T = 0 when a = g (weightlessness of object). In this case if centripetal acceleration "a" goes to infinity it means that T increases (doesn't matter in which plane we rotate). If I don't mistake it looks like: plane of rotation has some relations of relativity with a vector (coming from center) of gravitational field? In other words, it depends on which angle is between the rotation plane and a gravity field radius I don't know how to express. I have not learnt gravity fields yet.
Boris Lagutin

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

To clarify my previous post I want to say the following. If we rotate the system in a vertical plane the equation is true: T + mg = ma (on the top of circular motion). Moreover, the state of weightlessness may be not only at the top. So if we rotate strongly enough we can get the state at other points around the top. However, if we rotates the system at a tilted plane with respect to the Earth this equation changes. Could someone explain how the equation changes? Clearly we additionally get x-components in this equation. But it's a circular motion so far. I suspect x and y components are not enough here, right?

Thank you.
joe
Posts: 755
Joined: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:57 am
Location: Sydney

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

For the rotation about an inclined axis, you'll need to specify components in all three dimensions.
Also, you need to be careful about two things:
- if the mass is on a spring, rather than an inextensible string, then its path will not be circular: the spring will be longer at the bottom.
- in the absence of other forces, it will not be uniform circular motion: it will travel fastest at the bottom.
So it will be a complicated problem.
Boris Lagutin

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

Thanks a lot, Joe.
joe
Posts: 755
Joined: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:57 am
Location: Sydney

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

Moment of Inertia is not applied in Linear motion at all, if I don't mistake. If it is so, why isn't Moment of Inertia applied in Linear motion?
It is not included in the linear motion of a particle, because particles have no extent, and so cannot rotate. If a macroscopic object is travelling in a line and also rotating, then the kinetic term includes both 1/2 mv^2 and 1/2 I*omega^2.
I think Inertia plays some role in Linear motion as well as in Rotational motion but Inertia is no any means taken into account in Linear motion formulas (Kinetic energy, momentum etc.). Why does it happen so?
I, which is the moment of inertia (also called rotational inertia), is the analogue of mass for rotational motion. So linear kinetic energy is 1/2 mv^2, rotational kinetic energy is 1/2 I omega^2.

http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu. ... ation.html
joe
Posts: 755
Joined: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:57 am
Location: Sydney

### Re: Inertia in Linear and Rotational motion?

What if define any mass by Inertia, not how it does now Inertia by mass? In other words, change a general method to model systems. Just thoughts.
For many people, inertia and mass are synonymous. To avoid potential ambiguities, I usually avoid the term 'inertia'.
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The text passage is a series of posts from a physics forum discussing inertia in linear and rotational motion, with a focus on the mechanics of a ball-spring system in circular motion and the role of moment of inertia.

TYPE: NO_QUESTION

The passage does not contain a clear, direct mathematical question that requires a specific numerical or symbolic answer. Instead, it consists of a discussion and explanation of concepts related to physics, particularly inertia and rotational motion.