Rabbi Joshua said until the one reproved curses the reprove. Rabbi Johanan said that one should reprove only until the one reproved "rebukes" the reprover. Samuel said that one should reprove until the one reproved "curses" the reprover. Ben Azzai said until the one reproved rebukes the reprover. Rav said that one should reprove until the one reproved strikes the reprover. Ones considered "truly repentant" are reproved rather than disfellowshipped. Raymond reproved the king and asked him repeatedly to dismiss his concubine. Socrates is also supposed to have reproved Euclid for his fondness for eristic disputes. Rabbi Eliezer said until the one reproved strikes the reprover. For this he was later reproved by Mabel. Moses was shown how Joshua reproved that Othniel. He was reproved for doing that by Pope Alexander II. His aspiration was not realized and he was reproved and brought back home. However, over time, many of these results have been reproved using only elementary techniques. Maximian was captured and reproved for his crimes.