In rhetoric and dialectic they are viewed as sophisms, ruses, and eristic stratagems. Unlike Plato, Isocrates (often considered a Sophist) did not distinguish eristic from dialectic. Socrates is also supposed to have reproved Euclid for his fondness for eristic disputes. In the dialogue "Euthydemus", Plato satirizes eristic. Oliver Kalkofe and Fips Asmussen maintain a humorous/eristic rivalry. Euclid and his Megarian followers used dialogue and the eristic method to defend their ideas.