Augustine clearly presents his struggle with worldly desires such as lust. Tradition mandates to abstain from worldly pleasures. In his own way he was undergoing a kind of lay renunciation of worldly pleasures. Both types clarify what is considered worldly and sinful. In most cases worldly and spiritual motives for conversion blended together. Thus he carried on his person most of his worldly wealth. This symbolizes the gathering of both the worldly and the divine power in one place. The attitude of worldly and religious authorities towards prostitution was pragmatic. Savonarola chastised him for his worldly ambitions. These strophes include numerous items of advice on good conduct and worldly wisdom. Further down the terrace, Hugh the Great personifies greed for worldly wealth and possessions. Distinguish between gain and loss in worldly matters. Narada asks Sanatkumara to explain, and asks what is better than the worldly knowledge. They avoided work and tried to avoid discussing worldly affairs. Among these is the precept recommending "abstain from dancing, singing, music and worldly spectacles".