The Cynics adopted Heracles as their hero, as epitomizing the ideal Cynic. Blowen wrote that the two children both get turned "from cynics to idealists". His ethical teachings approached that of the Cynics and Stoics. In 2012, Day self-released her first extended play, "Cynics vs Dreamers". From influence of the Cynics, the Stoics drew inspiration from Simon as well. Tatian, a Greek apologist, is heavily critical of Peregrinus and other Cynics. The Cynics seem to have idealized Simon. Some Cynics were martyred for speaking out against the authorities. The ideas of Diogenes, like those of most other Cynics, must be arrived at indirectly. There is another discussion of Diogenes and the Cynics in Michel Foucault's book "Fearless Speech". He was reputedly a forerunner of the Cynics. Demonax's main divergence from the Cynics was that he did not disapprove of ordinary life. They were replaced by Great Cynics at Hatfield and Aurora for Wolverhampton. The principle of "adiaphora" was also common to the Cynics. Dale Nixon is also credited as the bass player on the Great Cynics album "Posi".