{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/cncf/toc/issues/57","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/cncf/toc","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/cncf/toc/issues/57/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/cncf/toc/issues/57/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/cncf/toc/issues/57/events","html_url":"https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/57","id":270156325,"number":57,"title":"proposals: add rook","user":{"login":"bassam","id":1463491,"avatar_url":"https://avatars3.githubusercontent.com/u/1463491?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/bassam","html_url":"https://github.com/bassam","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bassam/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bassam/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bassam/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bassam/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bassam/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bassam/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bassam/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bassam/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bassam/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"assignees":[],"milestone":null,"comments":32,"created_at":"2017-11-01T00:09:14Z","updated_at":"2017-12-06T16:41:45Z","closed_at":null,"author_association":"NONE","pull_request":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/cncf/toc/pulls/57","html_url":"https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/57","diff_url":"https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/57.diff","patch_url":"https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/57.patch"},"body":"As requested during the July 11th 2017 CNCF TOC meeting ([minutes](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bSP9UmxLP4gBu9kzxrqZCahDGS8JcsHFh1CawVtZOTY/edit#slide=id.g1f96d71a04_0_8)), we submit Rook for consideration to be included as a CNCF project.\r\n\r\nFirst presentation to CNCF TOC is [here](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Lzy94UNzdSXkqZCvrwjkcChKpU8u2waDqGx_Sjy5eJ8/edit#slide=id.g22cd1ae996_5_75)."},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/cncf/toc/issues/comments/349698693","html_url":"https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/57#issuecomment-349698693","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/cncf/toc/issues/57","id":349698693,"user":{"login":"gourao","id":10397092,"avatar_url":"https://avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/10397092?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/gourao","html_url":"https://github.com/gourao","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gourao/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gourao/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gourao/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gourao/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gourao/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gourao/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gourao/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gourao/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gourao/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2017-12-06T16:41:45Z","updated_at":"2017-12-06T16:41:45Z","author_association":"NONE","body":"Thanks everyone who spoke at the SWG meeting at Kubecon yesterday about this.  We had a good healthy debate and believe that everyone is acting in the best interests of the k8s community.  I want to summarize my argument here for why I don't think rook is ready *today* to be a CNCF project.  I just want to emphasize that I am not saying it will never be ready, just not ready today.   Bassam has made an argument that Rook is about more than Ceph and I believe him that he would like it to be about more than Ceph.  But the reality today is that Rook is all about Ceph and only adds value to Ceph users.  Having an easy way to operate Ceph for k8s is awesome and I am very supportive of that!  The problem is that if rook *today* is added to CNCF, then the impact of that is a CNCF endorsement of Ceph for Kubernetes applications.   It is king making Ceph.  I strongly advocate that if Rook is truly about more than Ceph, then it adds a Gluster or some other backend, gets some community support from the Ceph and Gluster communities then re-applies.  Bassam has made the argument that this is a chicken and egg problem.  That if Rook is not in CNCF then he doesn't have the resources to add Gluster.  But I don't think that is the way to look at it.  If Rook truly is valuable to more than Ceph, then the Gluster community should WANT to add Rook support.  Nothing is stopping them today.  The reason they haven't, I believe, is that Rook is really valuable for Ceph, not other backends.  CNCF should not be in the business of king making particular storage solutions and arguments that rook is about more than Ceph aren't compelling given the reality of how users are using it.  Rook is a great project for the ceph community.  Not for the CNCF community.  I hope that makes sense."}}
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