And further, it is my opinion, you've never known anyone ever not in flute playing, not in cithara playing, not in singing to the cithara, and not in rhapsodizing you've never known a man who is clever at explaining Olympus or Thamyrus or Orpheus or Phemius, the rhapsode from Ithaca, but who has nothing to contribute about Ion, the rhapsode from Ephesus, and cannot tell when he does his work well and when he doesn't you've never known a man like that.