What interests him is not transcendental interiority but the interiority which exists in the world human beings and human communities found in the world; and when he speaks of the life of the soul and of the properties of a person, and poses or would pose similar questions in regard to communities, he refers merely to what really occurs in the world; he refers to what takes place in real human beings, what is experienceable in their human self consciousness through unprejudiced self experience or, in the case of others, through experience of others.