This discussion is announced at, but doesn't begin until Book Socrates/Adeimantus With this in mind, we should consider whether in setting up our guardians we are aiming to give them the greatest happiness, or whether since our aim is to see that the city as a whole has the greatest happiness we must compel and persuade the auxiliaries and guardians to follow our other policy and be the best possible craftsmen at their own work, and the same with all the others.