Plainly, then, excess with regard to pleasures is self indulgence and is culpa ble; with regard to pains one is not, as in the case of courage, called temperate for facing them or self indulgent for not doing so, but the self indulgent man is so called because he is pained more than he ought at not getting pleasant things (even his pain being caused by pleasure), and the temperate man is so called because he is not pained at the absence of what is pleasant and at his abstinence from it.