Hon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs): Equally, in clause 15 it states that a designation may be up to a period of 10 years, so there's a clear demarcation in the bill around how long a designation will last. And of course, again, the member seems quite fixated on particular thresholds for different products in the market, but clause 12 lays out the conditions, as we have already canvassed in the debate, for the commission reaching a judgment about whether it is in the public interest to designate a particular network. 