To the argument about victims, that this is anti-victim, well then, the members opposite will have to argue that, actually, once sentenced to prison, you should permanently lose your right to vote, even if you're released on parole or you've finished your sentence. That's the logical extension of that argument, and that is why the High Court, the Court of Appeal, the Supreme Court, and the Waitangi Tribunal have all rejected the National Party argument, and I might add this too: if they are so convinced that taking away the right of prisoners sentenced to a sentence of less than three years is somehow going to have some massive rehabilitative and ameliorative effect, why is it, since 2010, that the prison population went—under their Government—from 7,500 to nearly 11,000? This didn't make a difference.