Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National): I found myself in the very rare if not unique position in the first 30 seconds of that contribution by Marja Lubeck to be strongly agreeing with her. She then went on and said some rather interesting things that I strongly disagreed with, but the one point she made at the very start of that contribution was that we have very little data on this. Indeed, the regulatory impact statement and the departmental disclosure statements have a paucity of information about what problem we're trying to solve. Are we trying to solve a problem that there is insufficient sick leave to manage appropriate absenteeism? Are people, as many contributors have said, exercising presenteeism? We've heard anecdotes of that but we have no data about it. 