The second point I want to make is that that party over there, on COVID and everything else—although they haven't actually followed it—tries to pretend they're science-based, they're evidence-based, they do everything according to what the so-called experts say, yet in this case, this law, the three-strikes law on the books, on the evidence, works. It makes the public safer and it deters violence and gun crime. And before I get into what the New Zealand evidence says, it's right to ask that party to back up its position on this bill—that is the Labour Party in Government's position on this bill. And to go soft on crime like they have, what reviews, what evaluations, what evidence did Labour collect or commission in the preparation of this bill? Can you hear the cicadas chirping? I can. They commissioned none. They collected none. They did not get a single report, a single piece of commissioned evidence from a university or anywhere else from New Zealand on the necessity for this law and how it was working. And by the way, while I'm mentioning that, how many members of the public, let alone victims of crime and organisations that work for victims did this Government ask or consult in putting this bill together? None.