But this is what happens when it comes time to get your strategic advice about what to do on COVID-19, and you turn to the strategic geniuses in your caucus: Simeon Brown and Chris Penk! Because if they're your strategic guides, you're in trouble. And Chris Bishop, behind the mask, smiles, because he knows National is literally making this up as they go along. They made this decision at caucus yesterday about what to do about vaccine certificates. That's why Judith Collins ended up with four positions in one day on vaccine certificates, because, actually, she didn't listen to what Chris Bishop had been saying. He's at least had some consistency when it comes to vaccine certificates and wanting them to be used. But not Judith Collins, not Chris Penk, not Simeon Brown. Now, Matthew Hooton, who knows a thing or two about this, has a name for the people in the National Party caucus that he uses to describe them. It's not a word I would use, but the word is the "Taliban" inside the National Party caucus—the fundamentalists who come along every week to that caucus and push the National Party further and further away from where New Zealanders are. 