Hon MICHAEL WOOD: I'm saying two things. One is I've given a very specific example of the fact that some of the costs that that member and his side of the House regularly cite, the minimum wage increase—which some of them have supported and some of them haven't supported—this year was modelled at only having an inflationary impact of 0.12 percent, and as we've rolled out those increased minimum wage increases, we've brought unemployment down to a record low 3.2 percent, which is hardly evidence for it strangling businesses, as that side of the House claim every single year. Secondly, I'm making the point that as opposed to that side of the House, which always views investments in a better life for workers as a negative for businesses and the New Zealand economy, this side of the House actually has a view supported by plenty of international evidence that good terms and conditions for workers, good relationships between employers and unions, can actually lead to a better and more productive economy for everyone. 