Secondly, people looking at the justice sector look at the broader issue of the very slow movement of justice through the sector, the very long delays that New Zealanders are facing to get justice, and, in particular, the lives on hold for month after month, year after year, trying to get resolution to court practices. What has been astonishing in this process has been the slow uptake of technology within our court system. We heard yesterday and we saw the details yesterday that at least 29 courts in this country, up and down the country, have no access to any audiovisual facilities that would make it easier for them to get the work done during lockdown-type situations. 