Hon WILLIE JACKSON: He supports us, actually. He's a supporter. He says co-governance can work, not just in the natural resource area. It doesn't just have to be about the lakes, and the sky, and the sea, and stars. It can be about Te Ao Māori in a modern context. So it's just an outrage the way the right wing have been carrying on in terms of this bill. This has been such a wish of our people from Ngāi Tahu who come here. The way that things have been manipulated is almost beyond belief. This is not some Māori takeover. This is not about the Mahuta/Jackson quest for power, as the right wing and the National Party and the ACT Party have been trying to frame this for the last couple of years. There's no takeover. This is about partnership. This is a partnership that is working. This is a partnership that is in the Treaty. This is a partnership that judges have talked about for the last 35 years—that apparently David Seymour knows more about than our very learned judges.