Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, I utterly reject the member's assertion. I'm going to come back again to the facts. If you compare the percentage of working-age population on a benefit in December 2021, it was 11.7 percent, compared to 13.1 percent in the December 2010 quarter, when the National Government was in and we'd experienced the GFC. What we have just experienced was profoundly worse and yet we have done better than in the GFC. Also, the number of people on a benefit for one to two years who went into work in the last quarter increased by 96 percent; those on a benefit for two to four years saw the year-on-year exit into work rise by 129 percent. The member, I'm afraid, is not looking at the facts.