Hon RON MARK (Minister of Defence): Thank you, Madam Speaker. Well, I'll just take a short call. It's really interesting and I'm absolutely sure that the public who are driving home from work today, having had a hard day at work on a Thursday at 25 past five are absolutely glued to their crystal sets listening to this debate, or maybe not. Maybe they've flipped to Magic or maybe they've flipped to Coast and are actually doing something sensible like listening to some good music.