Look, as we all know, Oranga Tamariki and its predecessors, over probably the last 30 or 40 years, haven't exactly covered themselves in glory when it comes to caring for our most vulnerable children. The reason being, or one of the reasons, is that Oranga Tamariki and its predecessors put themselves at the centre of the system and everything revolved around them. That's changing, and, as I've said to Oranga Tamariki, our children and their wellbeing need to be at the centre and at the heart of everything we do. 