Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE: —thank you—but it isn't because of forestry. Anybody who goes into a forest, particularly when it's harvested, might be lucky to see five people, because of the mechanisation technologies that removed a huge amount of labour need from that industry. Yes, there is planting; yes, there is pruning over a 30-year life cycle of a forest, but let's not pretend that that's propping up the premier rugby clubs around the Bay of Plenty and Northland, because it's not. Actually—[Interruption] I'm not sure what she said, but I don't think it was probably going to improve the dialogue any. I sometimes am grateful for the fact that I'm profoundly deaf in one ear.