But what I would like to move on to is the Minister of Tourism, the Hon Stuart Nash. He turned up in Franz, shamed into visiting there because he had been absent. In fact, when I went down to visit the tourist operators in Franz with the Hon Todd McClay, they told us it was the first time since National was last in Government that a tourism Minister had visited one of the most iconic tourist destinations in this country. So Minister Nash turned up down there and he repeated his mantra, and I quote, "It is time to have that very difficult discussion with your bankers, your employers, your creditors and your community, because we cannot save every business." Well, he could give $5 million to the likes of AJ Hackett and good luck to him. So you know what the community said about Mr Nash's visit: the meeting was a complete waste of time—and it was.