Back in 2011, around the time of the Rugby World Cup, the number of freedom campers was estimated to be in the tens of thousands. Now, as others have noted, it's more likely—before COVID, before the lockdown—to be in the vicinity of 250,000. That has brought significant problems, and I think one of the issues has been the way in which Aotearoa New Zealand has been advertised. These big motorhomes with blue sky, the wide expanse of the Mackenzie Basin—this notion that these big motorhomes are free to pull up anywhere, and even the term "freedom camping" suggests that. So I prefer to use the words "vehicle camping" because that is what it is. It's either with a motorhome or with those sliders, the little vans that the Hon Stuart Nash was talking about.