Hon DAVID PARKER: Well, that quote takes me back to the reference to absolutism which I mentioned in answer to an earlier supplementary. That absolutism is not possible. We do need quarries in order to produce gravel, in order to build houses and other infrastructure. We should, when we have quarries, be absolutely minimising the amount of wetland loss, but where there is a small amount of unavoidable wetland loss, that should be offset. We do need quarries.