Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Oh, I don't accept that—I don't accept that. We don't accept that position. We're getting more and more people into employment and training—5,091 placements through Mana in Mahi since 2018, despite criticism from the other side about Mana in Mahi, who thought that the programme was going to collapse and fall over; 3,869 young people have been supported into employment, education, or training through He Poutama Rangatahi. I was lucky enough to have been Minister of Employment during this time, and I saw firsthand how targeted programmes helped these people. Our MSD—and our Minister Carmel Sepuloni—has taken up the challenge and is doing brilliant work. Today, with our Prime Minister, it was a magnificent announcement with regards to Mana in Mahi, and I would ask the Opposition to think about that.