But we can see how that doesn't work when we look at the power market in Germany and the UK. In Germany, they utilised high subsidies to encourage wind and solar power production. They now have the highest power prices in Europe, and also a very small reduction in their emissions. In contrast, the UK, which utilises an ETS, had a very successful rate at lowering their emissions quite significantly, and that was when power producers who had coal power supply stations changed over to gas. Gas has half the emissions of coal, and they've significantly reduced their emissions, and also have kept their power prices much lower than in Germany. So the ETS is the right mechanism for us to lower our emissions. So the National Party supports that.