So in the review, I had the opportunity to question what size the head office was. Well, sadly, the chief executive, who's paid over $600,000 a year, couldn't answer that question. He had to defer to one of his staff, who was able to tell us that 139 fulltime-equivalent staff were now in the head office of Te Pūkenga, at a cost of $11 million per year. Now, I guess "modest", "small", "slim" is all relative, and to a Minister that thinks nothing of seeing $12 billion of COVID money spent on things like wallaby constraining and cameras on fishing boats probably does see a head office of 139 people at a cost of $11 million as small and modest.