When we first announced the Matariki kaupapa, I remember my good friend Judith Collins—who should probably still be the leader of the National Party—without a doubt supporting this kaupapa. No doubt about it. Judith Collins remembers that I watched her go "Oh no, what a beautiful kaupapa", Judith Collins said. But now, we're upside down, all around; they don't know whether they support Matariki, whether they support co-management. They've forgotten Chris Finlayson—I'll get to him shortly—they've forgotten him. And clearly they've forgotten the words of the best leader they've had over the last couple of years: the Hon Judith Collins. 