I've been reflecting on the very real challenge that the Minister had in trying to land the policy position on the question of the timing of revenue loss versus permanent revenue loss, and he strikes me as someone who will probably be riffing with his policy staff—it was something that I loved to do. I see the new member for Mana nodding and smiling. She had to survive it for a time. But, actually, you get better answers and you challenge the officials and they need to be able to challenge the Minister back. 