The issue about this document is that debt is an important way of managing the economy, but it does have trade-offs. When you take on and double the debt, as Grant Robertson has over the last 24 months, it's fundamentally a trade-off between current wellbeing and the wellbeing of future generations. It does impose a real cost; debt has a real cost. It has a real cost in terms of interest rates that the Government has to devote to paying back that debt, and the interest as well. And the principal needs to be paid back. We've already seen the cost of buying back the Treasury bonds that the Reserve Bank's doing. The out of market cost at the moment is about $6 billion and rising. So it's a cost imposition on all New Zealanders when a Government decides to take on a massive amount of debt. 