Hon NANAIA MAHUTA: There are a couple of questions in there. Let me go to the second part, which is the issue of opt-out. The member has already heard me say in a previous response that local authorities that opt out pose a risk to achieving the intended reform outcomes. If a large number of councils choose to opt out of the reform process, the impact on scale benefits could include a reduction in the potential to achieve operating, capital, and financial efficiencies; compromised economic viability of the reforms; some communities missing out on the benefits of reforms, especially those with a lower ratepaying base; and the creation of a patchwork quilt of three waters owners and managers within a catchment. This is, in fact, the status quo. Given that local government and councils have already accepted that there is a compelling case for change, now that we have the data analysis and evidence to support that view, it would be useful for councils to understand the information that is being released today in order to help them make their decision. I find it difficult to understand why they would pull away from this proposal.