Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (National): I'm just picking up from where my colleague just left off, but first can I just refer to the comments made by Minister Nanaia Mahuta prior to Mr Luxon taking his call. She said that "Isn't it strange that here we are, 20 years later from a time when a bill like this was discussed, we're discussing the same things and we're hearing the same arguments.", and then there was sort of an idea that we hadn't made, somehow, some sort of progress. Well, what's wrong with there being argument that sustains over a long period of time?