What we now know, after weeks of mining for information, is that the immigration Minister never bothered to find out what the speciality of nurses was who were coming into New Zealand. He never bothered to ask them if they had an ICU speciality, so we have no idea how many ICU nurses have actually come into New Zealand. He never had a conversation with the Minister of Health as to how we could use the immigration process and the visa process to bring in more nurses to bolster our ICU capacity. Never happened. Never had a conversation.