In particular, it was, I think, a special moment for all of us to have the hearings at Kōpinga Marae, to listen to the people. There were some contests in the terms of the historical accounts and other matters, but to have a respectful hearing on those issues and to learn more about the Chatham Islands and to spend time while we stayed on the islands, talking to various people with various perspectives. It was very interesting listening to the people there, there is some discussion between the interests of Moriori and Ngāti Mutunga o Wharekauri of the overlapping claims, but I note that many on the islands have lineage that goes back to both Moriori, Ngāti Mutunga o Wharekauri, and te Pākehā. It was also special for us to spend some time on the islands, actually having a look around and learning more about the dendroglyphs, the carvings in the bark of karaka, or kōpi trees, and to spend time in the kōpi forests—those orchards for Moriori which were introduced by Moriori to the Chatham Islands and tended by them as forest, which they cultivated in groves.