So what we have here is a bloated and performing bureaucracy. And so my first question to the Minister is, given the serious allegations and the serious issues that were brought to public attention by me last week, that she knew about since August but did nothing about, how can we be confident that Kāinga Ora can be trusted to deliver in the public interest for New Zealanders? And does that Minister have confidence in the board of Kāinga Ora and its ability to secure value for taxpayer money?