PENNY SIMMONDS: Thank you, Madam Speaker. So if universities are worried about speakers encouraging violence or inciting lawbreaking, they have plenty of protection already. The Crimes Act, the Summary Offences Act 1981, the Broadcasting Act 1989, the Harmful Digital Communications Act 2015, the Harassment Act 1997, and the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 all place constraints on what people can say, to protect against harmful speech. So tertiary institutions should not be falling back on health and safety, when they have those protections in place. Tertiary institutions should be maximising free expression within these limits, not trying to further constrain it.