I said to Mr McKenzie, "How do you respond to these allegations that you're flinging the taxpayer's cheque book around?" And I got specific. I raised the specific example of Swanson Road, a property that I had been told on good conviction that Kaīnga Ora had allegedly offered around $36 million for, whereas the nearest underbidder allegedly made a bid of $26 million dollars. And I put to Mr McKenzie that the story being told around New Zealand boardrooms is that what then happened was that the developer community got wind of this overbid, threw their toys, Kaīnga Ora got ear of it, the heat went on, and they found a reason under due diligence to withdraw their bid. And I said, "I'm troubled by this, because what that tells me is that Kaīnga Ora was prepared to pay $10 million more than the market for that property."