But the second part of it is about that difficult process of finding an equivalence for the rights of victims of ordinary offenders—non-insane offenders—as opposed to insane persons, who we went on to deem offenders. I would like Ms Upston to talk to that, because it was a very difficult operation. These systems—the mental health system and the criminal law system and the penal system—are not used to talking to each other; in fact, they operate almost oblivious to the other. 