Then there's the issue of personal security. Why have gangs and gang membership grown so much in New Zealand in the last four years? But I see the member over there laughing, because we know that a lot of them consort with the gangs. They go and ask them how they're feeling about things. They invite them into their office to have a bit of a chat: "Why are you harassing people? Why do you commit so many murders? Why are you selling drugs in our community? We don't like it, but, by the way, you're OK. Carry on, and we'll see what we can do for you." That's the sort of attitude that's got us in big trouble. 