Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: —that's kept people in work. "The bureaucrats.", Simon Bridges says. Let's talk about who he's actually talking about when he talks about bureaucrats. Actually, the wage subsidy accounts for a significant number of those—the people who were actually keeping businesses afloat by making sure they could access the wage subsidy. He could also be talking about the contact tracing teams who have made sure that we have kept COVID-19 out of the community, employed by the Public Service. He could be talking about the extra staff working on the front lines at the Ministry of Social Development to make sure that we've actually got people getting the financial support that they need. Or the extra people at the IRD, who have been doing a similar job. He could be talking about the extra social workers at Oranga Tamariki, making sure that we're protecting and caring for our most vulnerable children. He could be talking about the extra staff employed by the Ministry of Education to work, again, with our most vulnerable children. They're not bureaucrats sitting in an office in Wellington; they are people who are in classrooms. They go into classrooms to help and to provide extra support for the most vulnerable kids. These are the people who the National Party thinks we should cut the jobs of. So I think that New Zealanders will utterly reject that. 