There have been significant efforts by people like the Neureuter family, the Noises Trust, working alongside Ngāti Manuhiri, the Auckland Museum, Ngāti Pāoa, Ngāti Whatua, and others. The abundance that you see on Otata, one of our first predator-free islands—wētāpunga; large numbers of skinks and geckos—and yet underwater, you've got the kina barrens. 