In terms of differential pricing, again I've been quite clear on this. Those of us who have travelled overseas will often go to places where there is one price for locals or people from the country and one price for international tourists, and I have no problem with that strategy at all. In fact, we do it in a couple of places. My understanding is it's done on the Waitangi Treaty Grounds. I have no problem with this and I would like to see a level of differential pricing right across the tourism sector that recognises that a lot of these attractions and tourism experiences should be available and open to Kiwis, but international tourists who travel half way around the world will be prepared to pay to see these fantastic attractions. I have always believed that a lot of the attractions we've got here, we actually undervalue. In terms of charging for the Department of Conservation (DOC) estate, I have been very clear on this. It is the right of every Kiwi to have free access to the DOC estate and our national parks, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at and investigate innovative ways to perhaps charge international tourists to come and have a look at iconic New Zealand.