Hon JAMES SHAW: It has. I'm sorry, I lost my count. Look, I don't think anybody in this House would argue that participation in parent-teacher interviews is a bad thing and oughtn't to be supported. It means that people are able, as the previous speaker Marja Lubeck mentioned, to participate in their child's education. The Hon Scott Simpson objected to the bill on the basis that he didn't think that employers should pay for their employees to be able to participate in parent-teacher interviews with paid leave. So then the question becomes: if no one's objecting to the principle of people participating, why do we think this is necessary? It is because clearly there are people in our society who do not have the opportunity to participate in parent-teacher interviews because they are constrained by their own economic circumstances in doing so.