Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: My assumption would be, from the many conversations I've had with Kirk Hope, that he would support doing that in a way that is safe. At the moment, when we have 10 million cases reported globally, when we have the potential for South Asia and Africa not even having peaked yet, states in the United States now surging, the suggestion that right now is the time to open the borders and rely on contact tracing is, as I say, frankly, dangerous. When it comes to my conversations with Mr Hope, I've found them to be constructive. The view I've heard from business is: don't put in jeopardy our freedom domestically—the fact our domestic economy is open—by opening up too early and too soon.