Secondly, we've been told by the TEC that there is a high risk that there will be thousands fewer traineeships, thousands fewer apprenticeships, and that this will see basically a slowing down of the progress which has been made in increasing apprenticeship numbers and increasing traineeship numbers across New Zealand, as our economy was going so well under the previous Government. I would also like to remind the members on the other side that when they talk about the financial state of the polytech sector, they should actually look at the Government's financial state. They inherited surpluses as far as the eye could see, and now we see that they've even managed to put the Government into deficit, and they also should take a look at the district health board sector as well, while we're talking about financial troubles.