The second was about the SOP about conversations between parents and children. And I quote: "Can I again reiterate and reinforce clause 5(2), which, through subclauses (b) to (e) goes to the very heart of what is not a conversion practice and actually goes to the heart of what Mr Court was outlining—again, in a very thoughtful way—because the purpose of this bill is to ensure that we are promoting respectful and open discussions regarding sexuality and gender. I think we all collectively want to agree to that. But through clauses 5(2)(b) to (e), in terms of those conversations that pertain to the SOP, there are certainly protections within this bill to ensure that those conversations continue to happen in an open and respectful way. Clause 5(2)(b), 'assisting an individual who is undergoing or considering undergoing a gender transition'; or (c) 'assisting an individual to express their gender identity'; or (d) 'providing acceptance, support, or understanding of an individual'; or (e) 'facilitating the individual's coping skills, development, or identity exploration, or facilitating social support for the individual' are all carved out in the bill, as it stands, as things that are not a conversion practice. And again, I think that goes to give confidence to some people who may have concerns—and certainly there were submissions to that end—that those conversations can happen; they can happen in an open and respectful way to assist people who are going through these issues and who need support and who will be safe to do so in the knowledge that this bill carves out that for them and a space in order for them to do that."