And here's how they highlight their concerns. People in the House have talked about facts; here are some of the facts. I know that Jan Logie talked about Finland and other places. Let's talk about a bit closer to home; let's take an example from Victoria, in Australia, where there is a similar clause allowing for abortion up to birth. There is a reliable data collection of abortions that have taken place between 20 weeks and birth, which is reported by the Council of Obstetric and Paediatric Mortality and Morbidity's annual reports.