ERICA STANFORD (National—East Coast Bays): I'm pleased to rise to take a call on the Education (Vocational Education and Training Reform) Amendment Bill. I'd just like to briefly speak to the last speaker's contribution. Jo Luxton said that we cannot carry on as we were, spending millions of taxpayers' money on some sort of failed model. And yet here we are spending, as my learned colleague Simeon Brown said earlier, $200 million to $400 million over six years on a policy that the Tertiary Education Commission have said quite clearly, as my other learned colleague Nicola Willis pointed out, will fail. The reason that it will fail is because centralisation, the grand mother ship of Labour, that they like to vacuum everything up into because they know best, is destined to fail because it is the local people, the local workforce who know best how to cater for the needs of their region.