The question is not whether we like abortion. The question is not when life begins. The question is not are we particularly disturbed by the idea of abortion to select sex or to even discriminate against people with disability. Those aren't the questions. The question in this House is what the law should be. It's incumbent on those who want the law to be State intervention in abortion to show that the intervention will achieve the outcomes they seek—that it will reduce abortion and that it will reduce discriminatory abortion—and, in fact, there is no evidence, anywhere in the world, that it does. There is great evidence that it stigmatises, criminalises, and inconveniences women in discriminatory ways. That's what the evidence is. So let's stop getting up, peacocking, parading, and saying how righteous we are and how terrible it is—we know that. Everyone knows that. The question is what the law should be and how effective the law is. 