The fact that the victims we saw, as Ms Upston brought up earlier, were not vengeful, that they weren't out to grind down the person who had hurt them, speaks also to what we're doing here. It's not about law and order and "lock 'em up". It's not about making sure the person gets punished for what they did. That's all taken care of. What it's about is the giving of due respect to the victim. It's not about the destruction of one person in order to elevate the victim; it is about the elevation of all of them as key pieces in our criminal justice puzzle. That is significant and that is right and that is important work. I wish I could see some of my academic colleagues when they get a load of this one. Boundaries are difficult places. Boundaries are going to be difficult, difficult places to be at, but they're worthwhile places to be at, because otherwise what on earth are we doing here in this space?