CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): Thank you. The member's time has expired. Can I just remind the member of the contribution I made after Erica Stanford's debate. The Hon Dr Nick Smith has reverted to the old way of committee stage debate. That is not the agreement of the House; the agreement of the House is that we have a conversation between members who have questions to raise and the Minister. Obviously, when you have a Supplementary Order Paper, a contribution on that is valid, but five minutes is not a target any more in the committee stage of debate. 