We know that's how the market operates. They do not understand how things change when people see structures that are put in place by Government that distort a market. This is a classic example of the Labour and Greens knowing better, and they think they can change the rules. But the distortion will be the opposite of what would actually happen if we enabled people to take up new technology, if we enable people to look at what the provision of that actually is as well. How is that going to work with the providers that actually import those cars? All the responsibility is on them under this bill. But we don't actually know what's in this bill yet, because all those costs are in regulation and the regulations haven't been set. So it's great for this Minister to say, "Oh, we can go to select committee and have a full process." It will be meaningless because the Minister sets the regulations and the regulations will not be in select committee. So we can debate till the cows come home what we think the cost will be, but we will never know until we see those regulations. And those regulations, if they're going to be substantial, if they're going to be significant, if they're going to be a rapid reduction, then they will hurt New Zealanders more than they will ever see.