Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: Can I just point to the fact that—and I think Mr Cameron's actually got his figures wrong. I think he underestimates the premium that many farmers were getting—underestimates them, because I think my brother was certainly selling animals for about twice their value for the export market, and so I accept that there would be less money available to those farmers who might have sold directly to those markets. It does not mean there's less money for New Zealand, and I explained that biological process to Mr Bennett.