DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): I speak to the point of order made most recently by Jan Logie. Jan Logie claims that there is, she said, a difference in substance between SOP 485 and 474. That may well be true. My reading of them—I can't see what difference she is referring to, and I reserve the right to contest that, however I refer you to the precise wording of Speaker's ruling 120/4, which says "if the clause or one to the same effect has been ruled out of order by the chairperson."