I'm also interested in his views around the fate of migrants who have been stuck offshore throughout the pandemic. We heard from officials that some of these workers could end up having a pathway to come back if they find employment. But the reality is that many of these groups who are stuck offshore because of the border closures currently have no job—some of them, their visas have expired. So I would been to understand what he sees the futures for these migrants to be. Should they just go on another pathway that has no guarantee? I'm also interested to get a sense of whether the prospect of replacement visas were ever considered, particularly in light of the fact that visas for almost 20,000 working holiday visa holders were renewed. I'm interested to know what levers were used to activate that renewal, and whether there would be more consistency in ensuring that people who previously held a visa and were affected by the border closure have a pathway to come back.