In response to what Mr Macindoe said when I talked about the stigma that his colleagues have repeatedly brought upon beneficiaries and the most vulnerable, who need support, it was the words of his colleague Mr Simon O'Connor in this House tonight. He talked about those people as "those people"—the people who needed a little bit of extra support. It was about those members' track record of voting against things like the indexation of benefits to wage growth. Those are the things that I pointed to in my previous speech, Mr Macindoe, when I said that the track record of that party across the House is woeful when it comes to those who actually need support. 