What concerns me with this legislation is that the Minister has repeatedly refused to ask the most basic of questions, as we push through another raft of arms law changes. If we don't put the horse before the cart, then we keep pretending that we are fixing the problem but having no confidence in doing so. And here is the essential question that I've asked repeatedly, that my colleagues have asked repeatedly, but that has not been answered by the Government or the officials. It's this: when the mad murderer received his gun licence that enabled him to acquire the arsenal of weapons, was the law followed? Pretty basic question. Before we talk about whether the law needs to be changed, I ask the question of the Minister: was the 1983 Arms Act and its regulations followed?