The last point I would make is to the Minister in the chair, the Hon Chris Hipkins. I was disappointed that with flights being delayed I was not able to participate in the earlier debate. It was fascinating for me that I sat on the plane next to a guy who's in the scaffolding industry and, from the moment we sat on the runway in Nelson, he spent over half an hour telling me how awful these reforms were, how bad they were for the scaffolding industry, that we have seen a decline in the number of people in that very practical industry of apprentices as a consequence of this reform, and that is repeated over and over again by industries all over New Zealand. And that's why I say to this Parliament, support Shane Reti's amendment; let the public decide. There's a very clear choice. Members on this side of the House say that regions should be able to have their own locally controlled polytechnic, and they shouldn't be taken over by some massive Government department. 