Also, one of our SOPs is around ensuring that the key priority is the need to support outcomes for Māori children, young people, and their whānau, and prioritise rather than just recognise the importance of children and young people's families, whānau, hapū, iwi, and communities. I understand that the Government's position on this is wanting to maintain that direct focus just on children, and just to say that this is a very longstanding conversation and point of conflict between the Crown and Māori, where children are not seen as separate from whānau, from hapū, from iwi, and that harm to one is harm to the other. What has been so integral to the damage that has been done to Māori by our so-called care system is the failure of our systems to acknowledge that symbiotic relationship, and the failure to actually even understand what whānau. Unless we prioritise that connection, then it is very hard for me to understand how we are not just going to keep replicating those same patterns.