Community organisations like CAB play a critical role in providing a voice for the people they represent, enabling their thousands of volunteers to strengthen and enrich New Zealand communities. Their volunteers hear the stories of those who feel excluded from society because they feel they cannot easily access the services they need to fully participate. Yesterday in our meeting, we agreed, I think, that if CAB had their time again, they may have lodged a petition on social inclusion more explicitly to reflect the broader concern, including from those who simply don't want to engage online. A lot of the debate around this has focused on digital exclusion with the implicit intention that those who are excluded necessarily want to be digitally included, whereas some simply do not.