I'm not convinced from the Minister's answer and speech here this evening that there is enough clarity as to why the exotic timber harvesting and products need this new framework but the indigenous timber and harvesting does not, and particularly in the context, again, of the import context, because when you reflect as a potential consumer of imported timber from around the world, often it is framed up in some of those places that you can buy exotic timber or indigenous timber that you've imported as very special qualities that have come from a particular space in the world. It was pleasing to hear that Indonesia has made a commitment to this sort of framework, but it is not just Indonesia from which we import timber that is promoted as special indigenous timber.