Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Well, actually, the member refers there, rightly, to the ratification process, which does, of course, require a simple majority of both employers and workers voting in favour. So I certainly wouldn't characterise fair pay agreements in the way the member has, based on that process. The member rightly acknowledges, though, there may be areas in which we have an impasse. And here, I think, an important comparison between us and Australia: Australia's system right from the outset is an arbitration process of the sort where you are using an independent body; New Zealand's brings everyone around the table, goes through a bargaining process, and, if you're unable to get that ratified, then it goes through more of an arbitration-style process. I think that's right for New Zealand's context and I think it's most likely in those circumstances to get us in the right place. The member also mischaracterises fair pay agreements and he makes an assumption that there is generic non-support from employers. There have been queries from employers who wish their industries to be involved, because you'll find there are some excellent employers who find themselves, for instance—