CHLÖE SWARBRICK: From Fiona Hutton—Dr Fiona Hutton. I'm not going to engage with you because you are barraging me and refusing to engage in the substance. But the point that I was getting to is that the National Party here have sought to place false equivalence after false equivalence, as the merchants of doubt that they are. On top of that, they have also sought to somehow invoke the Portugal model as something that maybe they might like us to look at. But last year or the year before, when we were passing through those changes to section 7 of the Misuse of Drugs Act in response to the synthetic crisis, which got so out of hand as a response to the last National Party Government's approach that it was a matter of personal responsibility, they didn't want to see the decriminalisation of substances. 