HARETE HIPANGO (National): Thank you. With respect, Minister, I didn't suggest; I made a statement that I have actually represented children. May I just further elaborate on what you have indicated? Look, in relation to participation, I still am of the view, Minister, that it's not clear, not only to me or to this House but to those who are going to be required to interpret and apply the law. Lawyers for children don't make judgments; that's for the judge or the court to do. We are a voice and we articulate either the view of the child or the interests. So my question, again, around participation—I put it to you—would you please provide a level of clarity as to what that requires?