Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: As I've already stated, what we've seen is actually an increase in the number of people exiting benefit for work. Quite often in this House, the member likes to refer to the raw figures, but even if we look at the proportion of working-age New Zealanders on benefit, at the moment it's 10.5 percent, compared to December 2014, where it was 11.2 percent. 