Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: As I also said in the answer I just gave, if the member was listening, we have to look at the cycle of transmission. Making a decision today, based on a number today, is a reflection of level 4, not about where we are right now. That member may have the luxury of sitting on that side of the House, not bearing the consequences of a wrong move, but we do not. We have to factor in the livelihoods of every New Zealander.