The irony of that is that Professor Flynn, a radical leftist who stood in the old Dunedin North electorate for the Alliance and New Labour, a very left-wing academic, was nevertheless one of this country's strongest proponents of free speech. In 2019, he wrote a book called In Defence of Free Speech, which his publisher refused to publish because it was going to be considered incendiary. He eventually got it published, and the new title was A Book Too Risky to Publish. And the sad thing about that is that Professor Flynn, in the cradle of the place where people should be able to freely express differing views, could see what we're debating tonight, and that is that our universities—despite what Angela Roberts has said about this being unnecessary, who then went on to say that universities should be safe. Professor Flynn and I agreed on this: universities should be anything but safe. They should be places to take risks, to challenge, to identify, and—if necessary, or if it happens—to offend. I've been on the campus enough to have been accused of being a white supremacist, a transphobe, a homophobe, a religious fundamentalist. Some of that was offensive, to which I say: I get over it, I debate it, I defeat it, I refute it. But I don't go and hide in a corner and find my safe space, as Jo Luxton would have me do, because the universities are the very place where people need to be put at risk. 