GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: So we celebrate tonight. We celebrate tonight because we know that, in our system of justice, where everyone has a right to a defence—we've just heard from the Hon Nick Smith, by the way, that he opposes the right to defence in a justice system, because he equates defence counsel with those who stand for a crime. That is the danger; that is the slippery slope—he's just demonstrated it. When they talk about taking away the right to vote, they also mean the next step is the right to a defence. They want to take away our justice system and our human rights altogether; isn't that right, Mr Smith? Isn't that abhorrent? Isn't that backward? That's not what New Zealand's about; we're a modern democracy, and almost no modern democracy abolishes the right to vote in their justice system. No modern democracy has members of Parliament opposing defence counsel acting legitimately in a trial. Can you imagine? I can't imagine.