The other thing that intrigues me about the forestry industry and the potential for trees is we've seen massive changes in harvesting methods in New Zealand in the last 10 years, and I think that the next 10 years will see that incrementally grow, and I think we'll be harvesting trees in 20 or 30 years' time that we don't envisage at the moment will ever be harvested. So I think that's another factor that's very important when it comes to who owns these trees, where they're planted, and how they're planted. So I think that improvements in technology and all that sort of stuff are so dramatic in this sector that I think we're going to see a great change in the way those things are used. I think we'll also see a lot of change in the way the complete tree is taken out of the forest, whether it's processed on site or taken away to be processed. I think we'll see a massive change in that respect. 