One of the things I think she did highlight but which isn't the whole story is the fact that debt-servicing costs are extremely low when we look across international comparisons, but debt isn't, and what the Treasury also said in another report is that we are heading for an unsustainable spending and debt trap. So my questions for today will be around the transparency, probity, and value of the spending that's going on that's going to incur the debt, the costs of which are in Vote Finance. I want to just quote the Minister's own words back, actually, because, as he said in his answer to Louise Upston in question time, these are unprecedented times and they are calling for unprecedented levels of spending, but what I take issue with is that fact that it's spending for spending's sake. 