It is a mammoth task to reform the health system, and there were many people working behind the scenes. But I want to make a very clear point, that is: it's still not clear what the different outcome is from having this bill seen to under the Pae Ora Legislation Committee than would have been the outcome from having it seen to under the Health Committee. Because we have a Health Committee; this is a health reform, and yet there is no better place to look at health reform than in the Health Committee. But the Government felt the need to make the Health and Māori Affairs Committees merge for the purposes of this bill.