So did the Government listen to any of that? Absolutely not. What we had was a very clear message from the Minister: "Get lost. We're not listening to you. We're not changing a thing in this bill. We're going to ram it through, because we've got the numbers. Ha, ha!", and when he went to a conference on the weekend with this sector, he was roasted by that sector for this piece of legislation and the way that it's been introduced. That is why we, on this side of the House, are deeply concerned about it and we're not supportive of it, and we're worried that the most likely outcome is to be higher fees for the children, for the parents to pay. When we consider that in the context of what is going on at the moment, we, on this side, are deeply concerned about the pressures that many families are facing right here, right now. We've seen rents continuing to increase. The costs of living that many families are facing are going up, and we all know how difficult it is, particularly in big cities like Auckland, but not exclusively. In fact, if you go all round provincial New Zealand, many, many families are under intense pressure by higher rent costs, and then, if you add to that extra costs for childcare, it makes it very, very difficult for families to get by.