Look, the fact of the matter is that all this can be done whilst maintaining a good bottom-line, as indeed the Minister makes very clear in the letter, which Mr Mitchell basically read out. So we know that to do this is nothing more than what would be expected. So we absolutely, as a country, need to get away from the suggestion that the interests of a company are simply the interests of making more money and maximising the bottom line whilst at the same time the environmental bottom-line is degraded; the human resources, the human capital bottom-line is degraded; the structure of New Zealand, the transport infrastructure of New Zealand, is degraded. That just goes to show the narrow, short-term thinking of the Opposition and of the ACT Party in bringing this urgent debate to the House.