The question here is so who pays for that debt? Well, the reality is I think it's morally wrong for us to expect future generations to fund that addiction to spending that we're seeing today. But that is the reality of what is happening at the moment. And when you see lack of prudence around fiscal spend, examples like cycle bridges in Auckland, you've got examples all over the place—three waters—it gets to the heart of this money is money out of the pockets of hard-working Kiwis. It is taxpayer's money that is being wasted. And Treasury has highlighted, as I've said, that the increase in debt reflects a large increase of Government spending.