So the benefits of these large-scale entities are—like Watercare has shown in Auckland—that it is about having the scale to actually significantly upgrade infrastructure. Water services are not about relationships, as Mr Doocey suggested, potentially in some of those smaller local authorities, but it's about infrastructure. For a lot of our big councils—the metropolitan councils—the drinking-water pipes are anything between 50 and 60 years old. We saw the result of that in Dunedin with problems there. The waste-water pipes are 40 to 50 years old; there's a huge need to upgrade and maintain those. 