One of the points that the National Party members of the committee have raised in this differing view is to do with the ability of other players, for want of a better phrase, in the context of a court case, or outside a court case, potentially—and that's really the point. So talking about overseas jurisdictions using psychologists or social workers and other professionals who are not in the position of being lawyers per se but nevertheless having an understanding of the legal process, but, more importantly, an understanding of what might be happening in a family and what might be happening inside the head of a child who finds themselves—or children, indeed—in the situation of having to navigate this complicated and no doubt often distressing scenario in which they find themselves.