SIMON COURT (ACT): Just coming back to recycling, Minister, currently glass and aluminium have very high recovery rates. It appears that it's the plastics that have little value and are therefore the problem to solve with recycling. We've heard from packaging industry representatives and brewers that the container deposit scheme could add $6 to $8 on to a box of beer—$6 to $8 in the middle of a cost of living crisis at 20c a can, $6 to $8 to those of us who like a beer. Yet the packaging industry have said they would be prepared to set up their own scheme at no cost to the taxpayer and they believe that they can get recycling rates up to something that the Ministry for the Environment believes that the Government could with its own scheme.