Hon JAMES SHAW (Minister for Climate Change): Well, I would have thought that, as the National Party's primary industries spokesperson, he would have those numbers, actually. So you have to remember that the bill is cross-sectoral. The emissions trading scheme covers all sectors, right? It's not designed to deal with one sector over another; although there are pieces of legislation that deal with that. So I don't have the red meat revenue per hectare, but maybe I can give you some proxies for some of that.