Speaking to a number of those who are engaged in the polytech sector, those who are quite high up the hierarchy, who I'd hope that members of the Opposition—the likes of Dr Shane Reti—have also spoken to, it would very much seem as though the implication that has been derived by those members of the polytech sector community is that the former Minister for Tertiary Education Steven Joyce was trying to run the sector into the ground and, essentially, disestablish it publicly to such an extent that it had to be turned into private provision. This is something which I have heard from a number of those within the polytech sector. 