In respect of the penalties question, my understanding is that there is a civil penalty of $5,000. The criminal penalty can be up to $50,000, and both of those would be separate from the penalties that would be payable in respect of unpaid tax if, in addition to that, there had been tax fraud which had led to the underpayment of tax, which could lead to tax penalties under the penalties regime, and use of money actually, quite separate from the criminal penalties that would apply to the possession of software. That said, that maximum penalty for the courts, I think when someone was presenting the case on behalf of the accused—the penalties that they were liable for under their tax might be relevant to the issue as to what penalty the courts actually imposed.