Hon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice): Certainly, the advice I've been given around the age threshold for the independence of 16-year-olds to make their own decision—but there are aspects of the member's contribution that I do agree with, and the purpose of this bill, again, is to encourage open and respectful discussions. We're doing that by banning the harmful and hurtful conversion practices but making sure that we carve out the space to have those open and respectful discussions. So my hope is that we can acknowledge the punitive and the criminal and civil redress system and encourage the works of the likes of the Human Rights Commission and of those other non-governmental organisations, schools, and counsellors to make sure that they know now that they don't have to worry about—well, that there is a protection from conversion practices itself, and another facility to encourage discussions, and healthy ones, between parents and young people, as the member has suggested should happen. 