I think it's been well canvassed in this Chamber, the fact that I was not satisfied with the conduct of Kāinga Ora in regard to a series of emails, and I in fact referred it to the Public Service Commission and asked them to have a look at it. But the member asks about how it is that the New Zealand taxpayer can have confidence in Kāinga Ora and their ability to deliver. I want to direct the Chamber's attention to a series of numbers. If we take it back to 2016-17, the year of which our Government had nothing to do with delivering, 409 houses were delivered by then Housing New Zealand. We then see 2017-18, when there is a change of Government, that that goes up to 838. I then want to take us through to 2018-19: that goes up to 1,461; in 2019-20, 1,229; and in 2020-21, 1,866. So the member asked the question that we might have doubled the number of staff, are we doubling the performance? Well the answer is we're more than doubling the performance when it comes to that core role of actually building houses to help New Zealand solve a housing crisis.