That should have meant the end of it, but it hasn't. Now, when I was a university student and I sat in my engineering class, I can't imagine another student sitting there thinking, "Because of my grandparents, who they were, and my great-grandparents, or my cultural ethnicity, I somehow know something more about how to manage water quality than the student sitting next to me." It's a nonsense, Minister; it's demeaning to tens of thousands of New Zealanders who work in the water and environmental space.