So what we're being presented with is an alternative. It's that if we bring in a requirement that people that are elected to public office have to declare the interests that they have, that's going to stop some people from going into local government. I would ask "why?" Why would publicly declaring your conflicts stop you from standing for public office? If you were that way inclined, I think your answer is staring you in the face. I would take issue with the point that was made by the previous speaker, Maureen Pugh, on this bill. Yes, we do want people with business experience. Yes, we do want successful people. But we want people from across society representing our communities in local government. We don't just want business people, just like we don't just want retired people or we don't just want men. We want a cross-section.