Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Interesting, does the member call ACC that same thing? Because this is what we are mirroring this programme and policy around. And again, 100,000 New Zealanders lose their job every year, and if you think about the number who experience a diagnosis like cancer, that means that they are for a time unable to work. This is not something that only affects a small number of New Zealanders. Almost every country we compare ourselves to has something similar and it is, as I've said, disappointing that the member cannot see the benefits to New Zealand of such a scheme.