Hon MARK MITCHELL: Oh, yes they did. Yes, they did. They gave very different answers. We got a great big long, completely different example given by one, and then we had the other one turn around and say, "Actually, no, that's not right." And we said to them, "Can you come back and can you, with clarity, brief the committee on what you're actually asking." And I'm disappointed—I'm disappointed that the commissioner and whoever was working on this in PNHQ weren't brave enough to come out and say, "Our staff need some expanded powers to make sure that this bill would work."