DAVID SEYMOUR: I want to just respond to one thing Michael Wood has just raised in that point of order. I'm not attacking Deborah Russell. In fact, on a personal level, I quite like her. But I am attacking the behaviour, and I am calling out the way that members of the public were treated, because I think that's wrong, and I think it needs to change. As you've said, Madam Chair, the Minister did raise it, and I think it's important that it be put on record that that was not the experience of many members of the public. I did, as a member of the Finance and Expenditure Committee, have to intervene on behalf of members of the public who felt attacked by the chair, and many of them thanked me for it. That is true.