On a number of occasions he would talk about the reasons why, because he was questioned that it's just a name. Some of the replies would come back that—he reminded us that in 1854, on 24 May, when the Parliament was first constituted, actually up in Auckland, not in Wellington at that time, the very first debate was actually about the prayer, and it talked about putting all personal interests aside, talked about the peace and prosperity of this nation, and it ended off "in Jesus' name". And so hence the reasons why he felt that was important as well.