Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): I struggle to understand why Minister Hipkins says in the debate that we've just had about this bill, where he assured the House that his intentions were good and it's not the Government's intention to do X, Y, and Z—and I've asked him, "Well, why should the sector trust him when he makes that statement?" I fail to understand how he then says it doesn't relate to the bill—but anyway, that's how he operates. 