Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: —probably a couple of farms—he would allow a sharemilker to come on and change what happens in a drastic way on his property, without at least talking to them. That's what we're asking for here, that the Crown is the owner of the land, respecting all of the rights and the investment and the heritage of those good people on the land, just to say, "Let's have a more productive and ongoing relationship." That's all we're asking. I think the 167, I think it is, lessees will be able to continue with certainty, with perpetual right to renewal, with knowing where the boundaries are, and being able to sit down and talk with an agency that is better resourced, that is better engaged, and that actually wants a genuine partnership; not one of hands-off disconnection, and when something goes wrong or a lessee does something that is not in keeping with good management and most of the other lessees know it's not in keeping with good management, there wasn't an ability for LINZ as the guardian on behalf of us all to step in and say, "Look, that's wrong. There should be some kind of penalty or some incentive not to do it again." The only penalty was "We'll take the lease from you.", which was clearly ridiculous.