Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: It's an interesting day in the House when the National Party opposes profit, but we'll carry on from there! This plan is an integrated plan, and part of that is making sure we get to the sources of the things that are polluting in New Zealand. Industrial heat is a big part of that. We could sit on our hands, wait for the carbon price to climb up over $100, over $180, before the emissions trading scheme would do what the member thinks it would do, or we could partner with business, making sure that we actually do see initiatives come forward. Minister Woods has already indicated today, in the ministerial statement, just how much private sector funding got crowded in by the Government Investment in Decarbonising Industry fund. That will carry on in the future.