One of them is that the overwhelming majority of New Zealanders believe it is important to follow the law. One of the most stigmatising things that can happen to most New Zealanders is that they are labelled as a criminal. We heard from one woman in particular, Jacqueline Cavanagh, who told us some of the most horrendous stories about the grotesque, evil bullying that she has suffered because she had had to have a late-term abortion, and one could only think that when this Parliament tells New Zealand society that having an abortion is a crime, of course, some of those odious comments and bullying are going to come forth. 