And I have it firsthand that the words that were used to describe what happened to this individual was that his career has been ruined, his life has been ruined. And I don't say that to trivialise any victim of bullying, harassment, sexual assault in this place. But there is a process and a right to a fair go. I've heard the Speaker talk about a fair go. Well, if there had been a fair go, and the right outcome was reached, it wouldn't have got the scalp that Mr Speaker was looking for.