SHANAN HALBERT (Labour—Northcote): Tēnā koe, Madam Speaker. It is my honour to rise and speak in support of the Education and Training (Grants—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill. Unlike my friend across the room, I have quite an optimistic and positive view of our education reforms in this country. I also have a positive view, understanding the importance of pay parity—and, sadly, the examples that she gave do not make sense. Both of us come from the tertiary sector and both of us worked in organisations that did run early childhood centres. We also, as leaders within those organisations, acknowledge the balance sheet and the benefits commercially, I guess, that running early childhood education (ECE) centres in a wider tertiary organisation gave, but we also were able, within those institutions, to pay people properly because we value education and we value our kaiako and our teachers within those organisations, and we also see that within our kindergartens as well. 