New Zealand's a great country, but we need to also face facts. It ranks 35th out of 41 developed countries in the Wellbeing Outcomes for Children. Every eighth homicide victim in New Zealand from 2004 to 31 March 2019 was a child. New Zealand has the seventh highest rate of child homicide in the OECD. New Zealand also has the highest rate of teen suicide in the OECD. I make those points, because this is a sober issue and one we have to really consider very, very carefully. We all want to try to do the best thing. We want parents to be the best that they can and provide the best environment for their children, and anyone else who has children in their vicinity. But we also have to recognise that we have a problem, and that's what this subsequent child policy aimed to address: to provide a clear criteria. A high threshold needed to be set before a child could remain in their care. And just to repeat that, again, the part of it that will remain is that a subsequent child is one who has a parent who has been convicted of the murder, manslaughter, or of infanticide of a child or young person in their care or custody.