Hon JUDITH COLLINS: And we're hearing now from Andrew Little. We know what he thinks about businesses, don't we? How has that happened? The answer is it's so much easier to make everyone feel dependent on the Government. So why not give people a bit of a chance? Where's the advocate for the workers over there, Mr Little? Where is the advocate? A long way away. Also the advocate who said Pike River was a really good mine and it should all continue. So, no, think about the workers.