Of course, you look behind that again and there are on-farm impacts. Will there be enough feed to carry this extra stock over? Will the condition of the stock still be that which they will get a good price when they eventually get through the meat-processing plants? The reason I'm giving this example: as the Meat Industry Association says, under the ETS regime, "Even a relatively small [reduction] in the amount of livestock being sent to processing sites of between 10-15 percent"—and that is due to depopulation of stock—"will likely lead to a number of plant closures"—well, that's just around the corner—"and significant job losses, particularly for small towns who are often solely reliant on the local processing plant for jobs,". That is Tim Ritchie, the chief executive of the Meat Industry Association.