Hon JAN TINETTI (Minister of Internal Affairs) on behalf of the Minister for Social Development and Employment: I think it's important to establish that what the member with that question is assuming is that this policy setting is reducing long-term benefit dependency, and what we do know is that the evidence shows that the current policy has not been effective in reducing time on benefit or improving financial or social outcomes. In fact, what it has done is taken away choices for those families, and I think that that's really important. 