It's all very well to sit there and moralise about how these people should be better off, and at the same time putting up the minimum wage for those who are lucky enough to have a job. Well, how about thinking about the small-business owners who don't even pay themselves the minimum wage, because they don't have the money. It's all very well saying, "Well, we've got the wage subsidy." Well, that's great. I think that's a good thing, the wage subsidy. I think everyone on our side of the House agrees, but the fact is that's not going to the employer; it's not going to the small-business people. If anyone wants to ask, just ask how much the Wellington rates have gone up. Just ask how much Auckland rates are going up. Just ask who's paying for that. I can tell this House it is not the Government; it is actually small, medium, and some large-style businesses, but most are small.