To speak to the term of a PVR, the term of a PVR broadly aligns with the minimum terms required by UPOV-91, which is 25 years for woody plants, their rootstock, and potatoes as well, and 20 years for all other plants. There was considerable debate on this issue, as I understand it, during the select committee process. Getting intellectual property settings right is a balancing act. If rights are too weak, New Zealand could be missing out on innovation. If they're too strong, that can result in higher costs for users, for consumers, which outweigh any benefits from increasing innovation. Research, again, has not found any evidence that New Zealand has been missing out on innovative new plant varieties. 