Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: The member, if she had listened to my first answer, would've heard me clarify that, actually, drawing those distinctions are incredibly difficult. So creating a carve-out, although it was considered by Cabinet, was just not something that we felt we could do fairly. I would say to the member that given Stuart Smith says, "I'm against subsidies for EVs", Michael Woodhouse says, "National supports introducing financial incentives for EVs", Chris Bishop says, "National is the party for EVs", Mark Mitchell says he would incentivise them, and Todd Muller says he's broadly supportive, I personally would be interested in what National's policy is on this issue.