Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: I believe that you'll find that the Reserve Bank has created an envelope of borrowing that is possible. That doesn't mean the Government would necessarily take it all up or that the Reserve Bank would use it all. What I would say is that in our history in New Zealand, we have had times where we have needed to borrow money in order to be able to make sure that New Zealanders get through a crisis and come out the other side. The answer to that, for me, is making sure that we support people to get into work, to be productive, to grow our economy sustainably. The answer is not cuts and austerity.