The other problem we have is that a select committee is normally where people come and speak. They share with us their views. I think the irony is that normally the people who would come on a bill like this are friends of the left. It's probably slightly naughty of me to say at one level, but normally it's the friends of the left who come in and talk, yet they're not allowing those people. In fact, when we look again at the departmental report, the only people that are being consulted with are bureaucrats. Now, they do a great job—kudos to them—but you'd expect in a select committee stage, and then coming to a second reading, that we would have heard in a space like this from benefit advocacy groups, from those who run budgetary services, the Salvation Army, and the churches. Of course, they're not de rigueur at the moment with the left. We can keep them closed. We don't want to hear from them. But the irony, of course, is that you can close the churches, but they don't close the multibillion-dollar services which the churches provide. But that's another debate. 