The second part is around the point that was raised before around novation of assets, and I think my colleague Michael Woodhouse referenced this. I'll give you an example, it's the Auckland Regional Dental Service—ARDS—which provides dental services to school-based children in Auckland. It is a combination of three DHBs: Auckland DHB, Counties Manukau DHB, and Waitematā DHB. The ownership of those assets that provide those services is a mixed model, some of which are owned by different DHBs; some of it is land leased from different schools in Auckland. There is a very complex arrangement of asset ownership. 