But it doesn't serve any purpose or opportunity for the community, the whānau, or the council to leave this land dormant. So what we tried to ensure was that a different conversation could happen between councils and Māori land owners. When I think about the opportunity and some of the feedback and conversations that helped to inform certainly my thinking around this issue, as had been mentioned by members on this side of the House, some councils enjoy very good relationships with Māori land owners who have significant other avenues to generate finance.