I've heard about the thousand days, and I've been to many Nathan Mikaere-Wallis workshops—a leading child professional—and many other professionals in my social services career. I can tell you that along with the thousand days, they also talk about the time needed for māmās and pāpās to have their relationship and build that time with their babies. That is critical, that is key, and that is what makes a difference to tamariki and their families growing up. That is going to make all the difference, when they have a trusting relationship with their parent, and t to say, "You've done that at one year old. Now, out the door, off you go, and find work." is not enough time for a trusting relationship. 