So if we're to centre those children's voices, the need of children, here, then we would make sure that the full amount of that child support was passed on, because those actions that are presently undertaken by the IRD as an intermediary actually exacerbate inequality. And that is outlined incredibly well by the submission of the Children's Commissioner, who spoke to, in particular, the What Makes a Good Life? engagement from 2018. His submission, quoting from a young person from Whangārei, said "Sometimes you can't afford what you need. Can't afford experiences - camps and school trips, education, food - like if you have bad health because you can only afford the bad stuff, you're never gonna get healthy." This is the kind of reality that we're grappling with here.