Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Well, it's a point that a number of us have made, and Nick Smith has made, which is that many good-intentioned, good-natured New Zealanders have signed petitions in the full expectation that they will have their say on an important issue of relevance to them. Not everybody agrees with the concept of having different seats at local government on the basis of ethnicity, and I just want to make the point that these are very difficult issues for New Zealanders to grapple with and we should have proper debate. We should not have it snuck through in this fashion. So I'd like to understand why we couldn't postpone this for three years. 