The Public Service Association (PSA) told us that members told them that there is a predominant attitude in New Zealand to "man up" or soldier on, especially when it comes to paid work commitments. The PSA did tell us—and this goes back to that productivity argument and what is termed "presenteeism"—that they had research available that showed that healthy employees are nearly three times as productive as people that potentially come to work not feeling quite up to the job and feeling a little bit ill. So it is a logical conclusion to say that people who continue to work whilst they are sick is risking also getting more people sick, and then, again, that that productivity argument just continues on, not only for the person themselves but, again, for their workmates.