CHRIS PENK (National—Kaipara ki Mahurangi): Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I thank Minister Hipkins for his introductory remarks. I think that to be upfront about the extent of ambition in relation to this bill, and acknowledging that further work that is required and that we should all give thought to, is helpful, actually, at this point. He's noted the complexity of the private sector environment as being somewhat of a different beast from that of the public sector, and so it's appropriate that we consider the legislation in that context.