ANDREW BAYLY (National—Port Waikato): Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm very grateful for the opportunity to talk. I just want to acknowledge the Minister of Forestry and his contribution, because he talked about that utopian vision for land and forest living in harmony, and, obviously, he referred to the Aitken farm where he thought it was fantastic that their farmer had planted up, obviously, steep, unproductive land, left the productive soils, and that actually had a beautiful arrangement which he's very supportive of. I think everyone in New Zealand probably shares that view. 