CHRIS BISHOP: Oh, "Scuttlebutt", she says. She's heard the rumours too. We've all heard the rumours about what's going to happen. We've heard the rumours that the Hon Nanaia Mahuta is going to be moved on from local government and three waters is dead. I'll tell you why: because that Minister has done more to fracture the relationship between central government and local government than any local government Minister in the last 30 years since local government reforms led by Michael Bassett in 1989. They are in open revolt at that Minister's poor handling of the three waters situation. So she's heard the rumours. We've all heard the rumours. But we've got her on the record: "Three waters is still happening." Let's wait and see whether or not that happens or not.