What we want whānau like that to be able to feel like is that they can walk through the council door and they can say, "Look, we're in this stage. We haven't got all the succession sorted. We're still going through the process of succeeding to our whenua. It's going to take us maybe three or four years to really get to a point and a position to really develop our land. We're going to generate some finance", or whatever. But that's the conversation we need, because we need the council then to understand what is realistic and an opportunity there if the council can continue to support whānau down a road of using their land rather than sitting aside from it.