As I said, we then drove up to "The Neck", which is between Lake Hāwea and Lake Wānaka, and we were met by Jonathan Wallis from Minaret Station, who transported us across the lake to Minaret. Minaret is completely cut off—it's landlocked. There is a road there and there are vehicles, but they only operate on the property. The only way in or out is by boat or by air. So we saw a completely different environment: higher rainfall and an almost 100 percent deer farm, and large parts of the higher part of the property shut off. But the lower part—and some of it irrigated—where the fawns are weened, those paddocks start to get fern coming up through the grass, the sown pastures, just before they start to graze it off, because that's what happens. It would completely be overtaken by fern if they stop farming it—so, completely different from the other property. It will revert to native if they stop farming, and I thought that was a very stark—and I know all of the members of the committee were quite taken by that day and the contrast between the two properties. Jonathan and his passion for rural New Zealand, the land, and they were also raising their lamb, feeding them on chicory and so on—Headwaters is the brand that they're selling it under. I thought that was very interesting for us all, because, of course, you were there, Madam Speaker, but it was a fascinating day. And I thought, when we all got off and we had a long boat trip back into Wānaka and then a drive back to Queenstown, I don't think I struck anyone. Everyone was very taken by it. We all had a very similar experience. It's just a pity we see the bill in a quite different light. But I'll leave that there and you can work that out yourself.