Hon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health): To respond to the points raised by the Hon Michael Woodhouse, the challenge, of course, with having targets is that, in this particular context, He Ara Oranga was much more focused on prevention and promotion of wellbeing. It may be that a commission would consider an approach around access targets or other targets too focused on a treatment or illness approach rather than a wellbeing or prevention approach. I think it should be free, as an organisation, as an independent entity, to choose how it sets up its measures of success across the system. So that's what permitted. As I've mentioned before, there's nothing to stop it setting up targets if it thinks that's the right thing to do to hold a Government of the day to account. Indeed, I think it would be anticipated that if the Government of the day set itself targets, the commission would be there to judge the success of the Government of the day in achieving those particular targets it had set itself. That would be a reasonable role to assume the commission might fulfil as an independent monitor.