Hon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice): Thank you, Madam Chair. Can I thank Mr Penk for reinforcing the committee's point. The thinking in and around personality was to ensure that we had someone in a position to represent a child who could build a rapport with that child, and a personality to be able to build a rapport with a specific child, to be able to represent them as effectively as possible. As Ms Hipango has mentioned, I don't come from a legal background, but personality does go a long way in building a rapport with individuals, especially in situations where they may be under extreme pressure, to make sure that we can reflect their views in the Care of Children Act process.