Hon LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupō): Thank you, Mr Chair. I want to follow on from my colleague Karen Chhour's questions and ask specifically: does the Minister see it is a success if somebody is on a jobseeker benefit, then gets into work in the short term—or actually doesn't that count? In terms of sanctions—and for most people listening, a simpler way to look at it is the consequence. Given the consequences or the sanctions for work have rapidly declined in the time that Labour has been in office, does the Minister believe it is important that if a job is available and where employers are crying out for workers, a person on the jobseeker benefit accepts a job? If she doesn't, and for example, when there are supermarkets around the electorates that we all represent looking for workers, what is the consequence of a person who is receiving the jobseeker benefit not accepting a job that is available? I give the example of a job in a supermarket but that's one of many.