I also just want to be mindful of the fact that, actually, forestry itself has an economic value. There are 35,000 people employed in the forestry and wood-processing sector. I understand that red meat employs about 66,500, so roughly twice as many people as are employed in forestry, but on five times as much land. So the forestry sector actually employs more people per hectare than the red meat sector. Forestry is a $7 billion export revenue earner. So you need to sort of balance out the set of considerations.