But the main thing I want to finish on is about whānau, because the one thing I do agree with our National colleagues on here is that whānau should be able to make good decisions on behalf of their children. So to hold up this: this is a resource that we did with RainbowYOUTH, "Growing Up Takatāpui: Whānau Journeys." We interviewed young takatāpui, their parents, and their grandparents. We wanted to understand what was going on inside whānau. Young people, they talked about their fears, about talking about who they were in talking to their whānau. They said they experienced embarrassment, fear, isolation, guilt, depression, anger, and hopelessness. The whānau themselves weren't dealing well with their child coming out or wanting to transition. They talked about, also, shock and embarrassment, denial, a justified fear for their child's safety. They had grief: the future they had seen for their child had disappeared.