Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: What the chief executive and the chairman of Kāinga Ora said to the select committee, from my understanding, when they went there yesterday was that they certainly were doing everything that they could to reduce buy-ins, and the evidence is there that that is occurring. I go back to the fact that we're down from 62 percent buy-ins under the previous Government to 22 percent, and 15 percent respectively for this Government, and that they were ensuring to see that we could get that down even further. But there are occasionally times when Kāinga Ora has to go out and buy a very specific property to meet the needs of a referral through the Ministry of Social Development. 