There was another question, I think, for me, that came up as we were hearing submissions, and I'll refer back again to the Chief Victims Advisor report that she wrote back in 2019, where she made some quite broad comments about the rights of victims and that they stemmed from the UN Declaration of Basic Principles of Justice for Victims of Crime and Abuse of Power. She actually went and interviewed a number of victims and included some really alarming quotes from some of them about their experiences. One thing I was quite interested in was how she defined victims. This is an issue that came up in select committee because of the nature of the submissions that we heard from many families. And I know that the Hon Dr Nick Smith was very interested in this particular aspect of the bill as well, because it's a question of scope.