So I think that we've got to give the Māori Affairs Committee, particularly, and those iwi and hapū concerned a great deal of credit for the work they do to get to the point they get where they can at least get an agreement and get a settlement of a sort in place. I think it's of great benefit to New Zealand, and I also don't believe that we should go back and make judgments on what happened in the past and compare that with what's happening today—we do it in all forms of life—actually, because what happened when I was born was very different to things that are going on today. 