Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): Just briefly on those points, I think the main issue around early childhood education licensing, which is one that I canvassed with the member's colleague earlier, where people will notice the difference is the moves that we will be able to put in place to stop the proliferation of low-quality early childhood education providers. I can think of one big early childhood education provider now that's expanding quite significantly—it's one that has a reasonably strong link with the National Party—which provides a very good quality of early childhood education. 