JAN LOGIE (Green): Thank you, Mr Chair. I'd like to speak to this. This is a really important part of this piece of legislation, and probably one of the most controversial parts, and it does hinge around—there are specific provisions, but a large part of concern is around this concept of independence. I acknowledge the Minister saying, "Well, the Monitor sits within MSD at the moment—departmental agency, that's more independent." But the real source of tension coming from the community is that there was an understanding from pretty much all of our agencies that this was being set up in the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) to be brought back into the Office of the Commissioner for Children that would be independent of Government, and not part of the Public Service. That is where the mistrust and the concern fundamentally lies, and the fact that the reasons for keeping it within the Public Service have been unclear and opaque for most people. The consultation that the Minister mentioned earlier did not involve that concept. I specifically asked Waikato-Tainui if they had been involved in the hui around the country on this bill. They said they'd attended those hui but the consultation and the engagement did not relate to the content of this bill, of this proposal.