I acknowledge Maggie Barry's contribution, which covered a lot of ground, but really challenged why we should have abortion at all. I'm sorry, Ms Barry, but that train has long left the station. We're now talking about the legal framework we want in place. There will be a legal framework after this debate. There will be no such thing as no right to have an abortion in New Zealand, so it would be helpful if people focused on the actual debate, not on something they'd like to have. 