So the other the other thing is, I would encourage that member to go to places like Gisborne, go to places like Wairoa, go to some of the places that have implemented a Māori ward and give them that speech and hear what they say to you. I understand from the Minister that this is a matter that has been raised with him on his many travels around the motu. You can't just chat to somebody at a conference and think you've spoken to the council. Our Minister is going around and having proper, robust, consultative meetings with these councils, and this is one of the matters that has been raised with him. 