Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: That's never been the Government's expectation. The Standing Orders Committee did make a change encouraging Ministers, where it was appropriate, to make themselves available to discuss a bill if that's what the select committee wanted. That wasn't an expectation set by the Government. That was a change by the Standing Orders Committee. I certainly support the change, and where there is good reason—for example, if there is a discussion about a policy intention behind a bill—then it can be appropriate for a Minister to attend a select committee, and they certainly have my full support if they make themselves available to do that.