Dr EMILY HENDERSON: I am sorry—Penny Simmonds. You see, she didn't show at our meetings very often, so I'm afraid I had difficulty recognising her. That is the problem. You see—speaking to Eli—Ms Simmonds wanted to bring a change to the Act; she wanted to put a little amendment in which would allow a broader range of training organisations to train the assistance dogs. In fact, one of the problems with that is she kind of didn't define it and we have to keep these dogs pretty well trained—we need to make sure the organisations are good ones. So that was problem number one. But the basic problem is she didn't participate in the normal democratic process by which we test whether changes to a proposed bill are good changes. We first found out about Ms Simmonds' proposal to change this bill in the committee stage, which is a very, very, very, very late stage to be proposing quite major changes—at a point where you just can't test them.