But what we've heard today is, quite rightly, the drop in the membership of girl guides. One of the things that I believe has been the cause of that is because back in around 2007—I couldn't get an exact date—the Scouts became co-ed. The girls were invited to join Scouts, and so the two organisations almost created that competition between themselves. Then there was other competition for membership, such as sports groups and extracurricular activities and school activities. So we've seen the numbers of guides decline over time, and, of course, with the drop in membership comes the drop in income. That has led to the situation with Otimai in that the Girl Guides Association have found themselves the owners of property and are in charge of property that is very expensive to run and maintain. 