When you think about real examples and you talk to people—I met an early childhood education teacher the other week, who knew that they were going to get as much pay as kindergarten teachers, and that was making a significant difference to what they could afford to buy. A local business owner who now had two apprenticeships going, under his watch, instead of just one, because of the apprenticeship scheme. And because that had worked so well for his business he'd taken on two in Mana in Mahi who were previously unemployed, and had got the benefits through that, and he was looking at taking those lads from Mana in Mahi into doing apprenticeships. 