The members on the other side are also very confused about the types of land that we are talking about. This bill does not go near any of the nature reserves. It doesn't go near the scientific reserves, ecological areas, or national parks. So we are not talking about pristine environments. Mainly what we talk about with this bill is stewardship land or land that has very low conservation values. So it's important to note that during the implementation of the 2014 event, there were no lost time injuries or events for the workers on the ground or the public that was involved in the forest. It was an extremely dangerous situation, and I give full credit to DOC and the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) for working together to manage the health and safety aspects of it. But we also saw ecologists and resource managers from Landcare Research, Lincoln University, MPI, and DOC all work closely together to ensure that the timber was removed safely and that there was minimal impact on the environment.