Debbie Ngarewa-Packer: What is her response to the Hon Dame Tariana Turia, Dame Areta Koopu, Dame Iritana Tāwhiwhirangi, Merepeka Raukawa-Tait, and Lady Tureiti Moxon, who pointed out in their submission that the bill relegates Māori to the provider level, and, effectively, maintains a system that is disruptive?