In particular, submitters were concerned that this reputation is, in fact, being undermined by livestock export as New Zealand cannot ensure the welfare of those stock at the end of the line. That was made most apparent in that incident—that's been discussed more than once in this debate around live exports who died—when the Gulf Livestock 1, with 43 crew members and nearly 6,000 cattle, capsized in the South China Sea after leaving New Zealand in 2020. We need to remember that because that is a risk that continues to happen.