When the lockdown had occurred, our Government immediately made available wage subsidies, and wage subsidies have been the topic of other members' talks as well, on both sides—both sides giving evidence that they believe that the wage subsidies have worked, in hearing accounts from both sides. Clearly the desire on both sides of the House is to make sure that we do all we can for all New Zealanders. It's just that the evidence that they have presented on the wage subsidy, for example, and evidence that we have, like my own personal meetings with businesses and asking them about the wage subsidy, just come up with different accounts. The wage subsidy has been very useful for employees, but the businesses have not found this useful for them, to deal with the ongoing costs that they've had.