The first aspect is around the debt levels in this country: $162.5 billion. That's a big number. People don't quite know, well, what does that actually reflect and what does that look like. But if you get to the element around the cost of debt, people understand how big their mortgage is, but what they really understand is the repayments they make every month or every fortnight in order to pay that debt. This Government is paying $4.7 billion every single year—$4.7 billion—in interest costs alone in that debt. That is just below the entire budget for law and order for this country. It is one quarter of the budget for health services across this country.