But on the Government's side of the bench, on the Government's side of the select committee—I don't know much about other select committees, but on this select committee, we have senior social workers and managers from within Oranga Tamariki. We have managers of women's refuges, people who have audited Child, Youth and Family Services—going back to one of its previous incarnations. We have a Family Court lawyer and a Family Court academic, and we also have people who have lived experience as foster parents and as foster sisters. None of us—none of us—have any truck with whitewashing this service, and nor has this Government, and anyone who wants to hear that loud and clear should not only listen to Minister Sepuloni but also Minister Davis, who could not have been more clear in his comments on this bill. 