I do want to note and particularly congratulate the committee on the recommendation for the delay of the implementation of specific clauses in the bill. That is particularly around enabling the Ministry of Justice to do the work on the stocktake to help develop guidance and resources in identifying where further training for family justice professionals is needed, because getting a child's voice is not something that most people have the skills to do, particularly when we don't have an assessment of where there is a context of family violence or a history of child abuse. There will be for those children fear as a really significant player in their ability to develop a relationship with the person who is representing them and be able to articulate what they want and need for their family in the future, so we need to ensure that our system trains and resources everybody to have the time to have those conversations and to be skilled enough to develop those relationships and gather that voice.