I just want to pick up on this issue around debt, and more concerning the ongoing deficits that this country is going to run. It's interesting that every time this issue is raised—and I just heard how the Minister responded to my ACT colleague, that it's fine that we spend the money during the COVID lockdown up to now and for the last 12 months—and I don't think many people would disagree with most of the elements of that spending—but right now, we're in a situation where the game has changed. The Minister has highlighted to us all through his patsy questions today in the House, from the chair of the Finance and Expenditure Committee, how wonderful the economy is going right now, and I'm sure he will take every opportunity to portray himself as the saviour of New Zealand. If that is the case, the issue, then, becomes how do we bring our costs and also our debt down, over time? 