I look over to the comments of Penny Simmonds, the member who was a former leader in the tertiary education sector. Can she actually tell us this evening that she would allow these people to speak on a campus openly on such subject matters at the Southern Institute of Technology? Would she do that, and honestly, has she obstructed academics on her campus—not to speak—in her past career? I would question where she sits on this bill, even though she has played to the National Party narrative this evening.