I agree with my colleague Mr Penk, who spoke earlier, the shadow Attorney-General, as well as the submissions of the Auckland District Law Society, that we should thoroughly examine whether it's desirable to obtain permanent benefits from what would otherwise be merely a temporary COVID-19 related measure. For example, the Courts (Remote Participation) Act 2010 could be amended permanently by this bill to enable the hearing of pleas and sentencing of willing defendants. National would support such a change being made, and I can say, having spent the best part of a decade working as a trial lawyer and working the courts across the country, from Auckland to Tauranga to Christchurch to Gore, Dunedin, Invercargill, Queenstown, and Alexandra, amongst other places, that I've worked in all of these courts, some which had audio-visual link facilities, some which didn't—I have to say that the provision of an audio-visual link does provide a very valuable service. I would say with caution, though, that there should always be the exception that if someone wishes to appear in court kanohi ki te kanohi, face to face, then they should have that option. 