The second is actually not dissimilar, but it's in clause 8 of the legislation, so that would insert a new section 7AA, and this is headed: "Lawyer appointed to represent child must explain proceedings to child". There it's talking about the age and maturity of the child, and the context is that an explanation is to be given in a way that the child is most likely to understand. I think that the word "maturity" really would sort of cover both aspects, because the maturity could go to not only their actual age but their ability to comprehend, maybe taking into account any sort of learning difficulties or developments that the child might have. So if there's any further comment the Minister can make on that, fine; if not, then happy to sort of let the words take what I would consider their ordinary natural meaning, and therefore sort of pass into the record on that basis. 