Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: Yes, I stand by the statement that I made on 1 April, and I will also add that some of the issues that we face, including hardships that whānau are faced with, were issues that we faced pre-pandemic and really have been exacerbated because of the pandemic. I certainly do think that we need to address parts of our welfare system to do things like improve income adequacy, but there are other ways in which we can address hardship and show a Government's commitment towards reducing poverty. I think the best indication I can see of that was actually this Government making the decision to introduce child poverty reduction legislation in this House. That holds us accountable as a Government.