We hear a lot about Māori, and I understand Māori are overrepresented within Oranga Tamariki, but we as a country are very diverse and we have multiple cultures in this country that also come through Oranga Tamariki, and we need to see it through their eyes also. So we need to make sure that this organisation is looking at people as people, not just the colour of their skin and who their grandparents were but see them as children. All children feel hurt the same, feel abandonment the same, and feel that their voices aren't heard the same. Pain is pain. We need to make sure that we are hearing the children's voices.