You know, I've spoken to many, many healthcare providers and patient groups. Nobody can tell me how this new system will work, and they believe it will actually make their lives worse off, because not only do we not know who the iwi-Māori partnership boards currently are—and we still might not in two years—but we don't know who the Māori Health Authority is going to be, we don't really know how we're going to work with Health New Zealand, we don't know how the iwi-Māori partnership boards and the Māori Health Authority will work together, and if in any case something terrible happens, all of a sudden the Minister of Health has to get involved and arbitrate between all of these groups who have to decide on a healthcare plan. I think it is going too far away from looking at the basics of health needs of New Zealanders and putting patients first at the heart of our healthcare sector. All we've done is created a bureaucratic mess in an exercise of co-governance, and it has to go. 