DAVID SEYMOUR: —and Kiritapu Allan very kindly said, "That's all we ever hear." The crazy thing is that the moronic comments were made about the United States, and Julie Anne Genter seems to think that the problems in the United States' healthcare system are caused by the fact that it's private. Well, she might like to know that Medicaid and Medicare, two Federal Government programmes in the United States, spend far more per capita than New Zealand spends on healthcare through its public system. That's the first thing—the first fallacy. And then she might like to know that distortions introduced by the Federal Government, through its tax code, have ensured that you don't buy your insurance directly. Your insurer does it—your employer does it, through a tax deduction, to your insurer, who pays your doctor, who treats you.