The committee has devoted a lot of time to Te Pūkenga, which is central to the Government's reform of vocational education growth. We noted concerns from the Auditor-General and heard that the Minister agreed with these concerns and believed that Te Pūkenga has more work to do. We noted that during the consultation phase of Reform of Vocational Education, the Minister made statements that Te Pūkenga's head office should be modest and nimble and we heard that the Minister stands by those statements. We also asked how a significant deficit that Te Pūkenga was projected to run would be addressed. We heard that while the Minister considers the projected $110 million deficit for 2022 unacceptable, it was better than the projected deficits that would have occurred without the reforms. Both the Minister and, through a separate process, Te Pūkenga itself were confident the final deficit for 2022 would not be as high as a $110 million. 