SIMON COURT: And the Minister here, the member Mr Jackson, said that's called co-governance. However, he's completely wrong, because in Auckland Council—not only is he completely wrong, he's completely wrong again, as my friend and colleague Chris Baillie points out—the mana whenua representatives do not vote. They do not vote. They are appointed to give advice on matters that are important to mana whenua. So co-governance indicates—and the member's brought it up, and I'd like him to stand up and defend that. If he thinks that this bill is around co-governance, he should get up and explain why that's good—