I want to acknowledge that there are valid views on both sides from people who are just expressing their genuinely held beliefs. But when we come to what the bill actually is and what it's hoping to do, a conversion practice in the bill is encompassing a broad range of practices that seek to change or suppress a person's sexual orientation, their gender identity, or gender expression. I note that the purpose of this piece of legislation is to prevent harm caused by conversion practices and to promote respectful and open discussions regarding sexuality and gender. There are some conversion therapy practices that are happening in New Zealand that are extremely detrimental to people's health and wellbeing. I know in the select committee, people heard horror stories of shame, manipulation, people attempting to change their gender and their sexuality through psychological trauma and through physical trauma. That has ongoing mental harm that some people will never get over for their whole lives. I want to live in a country where we accept all people, that we have a common humanity, and all people are respected to live the lives that they want to, and they're respected for being themselves.