Hon Dr NICK SMITH: That's right. I say to my colleague, our spokesperson for police—soon to be Minister of Police—that, actually, 24 offences, that's the average number. It's not like these people haven't been given a second chance. In fact, the law, which this party agrees with, is that prison should be the last resort, not the first resort, for judges when they're dealing with criminal offenders. The honest truth is those that are in jail are people that have committed multiple offences against the law of the land, and we heard evidence at the select committee that, in fact, 24 criminal offences is the average number for—