JAN LOGIE (Green): As a member of the committee, it's a pleasure to rise and have an opportunity to contribute in this debate. First of all, I do just want to take a moment to acknowledge the Minister who's in the chair now, the Hon Chris Hipkins, for a second chunk of Estimates. Actually, it is a demonstration in terms of the breadth of his accountabilities and responsibilities in this country at a very, very difficult time. I personally want to acknowledge him for that. In Japan there's a phrase called "otsukaresama deshita" where you acknowledge somebody's work and it feels a relevant phrase at the moment. 