There are many good councils, and they do a lot of good work with little resource, and this building and the occupants of it over the last 20 years, in my experience, have lumped a whole lot of issues and work on local councils that have created a lot of costs for them, a lot of resource required, and increased costs significantly to them. We've got to find new ways of funding local government and new ways of dealing with it, and I accept that this Government has got some activity going on at the moment in that respect, which I'll get on to in a moment, but the really interesting issue is that, however you look at this, there is only two sources of funding for everything in New Zealand: they're taxpayers and ratepayers, and, the rate this Government is going at, there are less of each of them every year. And so that's very challenging for us, because that means fewer people have got to pay the bill, and so that's one of the challenges local government has.