I never came out to them either, because I was too scared because I had learnt—as I also listened to it in the select committee—"Love the sinner, hate the sin." All I heard, as a 12-year-old, as a 15-year-old, as a 21-year-old, as a 30-year-old—and even now, as a 46-year-old, when you hear that "Love the sinner, hate the sin.", all I hear is "Blah-blah-blah-blah"—hate—"Blah-blah-blah-blah"—hate—because for me, that is an essence of who I am. But I'm grateful that so many of our society support me, support our takatāpui whānau, and support our transgender and intersex communities. 