DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Thank you, Madam Chair. Let me start by saying this is a debate that I would rather this committee was not having, this Parliament was not hosting, and I would much rather not be participating in it. One thing the Minister has said that I think is true is that the existence of this debate does have a revictimising and traumatising effect on people up and down New Zealand and, indeed, associated with this Parliament as their workplace.