Finally, just a couple of questions in the tertiary space around particularly the reform of the technical training. I want to know why Te Pūkenga has not yet finalised its operating model, and does the Minister still think he's on track for it to be self-sustaining by the end of 2022? Does he think it's acceptable that the CE of this new institution, when questioned by the education select committee, didn't know how many staff he had employed at the head office and didn't know which subsidiary Institutes of Technology and Polytechnics of New Zealand were operating at a deficit? Does he think that a Te Pūkenga head office of approximately 200 staff is meeting his intentions of a lean, nimble head office that's not an additional, bloated democracy sitting on top—an additional layer of bureaucracy sitting on top?