Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): Just want to reassure Marama Davidson, my colleague, that yes, indeed, we do all share a desire to ensure that justice is attained by victims of crime and particularly in this area of sexual violence. I don't think you'll find anybody in this Parliament or anybody in this country who doesn't agree with that broad proposition. What we also recognise is that we live in an imperfect world and that the stakes are high in this area for, obviously, victims of crime but also for defendants where things have been alleged that didn't happen, and that is the purpose of the trial. We wouldn't be having trials if there weren't those circumstances. So it's important that everybody has access to a fair trial and the right to defend themselves. That's what we are trying to tease out through this process.