BARBARA KURIGER (National—Taranaki - King Country): A couple more questions for the Minister. The Minister has often talked about a pumped hydro scheme as allowing New Zealand to get to 100 percent renewable and security of supply. The Government, however, banned oil and gas in 2018 and, only after this, sought advice on how to replace gas. Can she confirm that officials have told her a pumped hydro scheme will be at least 10 years away, and, if so, can she also confirm that there will be at least 10 more winters before it is built?