STEPH LEWIS (Labour—Whanganui): Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want to begin by touching on a point Mr McKelvie raised when he said that we have relied on the importation of livestock to kick-start, I guess, our agricultural sector way back when, and he's not wrong. But history also shows us quite clearly that thousands of people and animals died on those ships to New Zealand. I would like to think, I hope, that we have come a long way in terms of our knowledge of animal rights, animal welfare, and animal safety. He also talked about New Zealand's way and our place in agriculture in the world. Well, the point behind this bill is that we are in a time where we're facing increased scrutiny of animal welfare, including from the countries that we export to. The continued export of livestock may be a risk to New Zealand's brand. So the time has come to have this discussion and to reconsider whether this is something that fits within our brand as a country. It's about our reputation, including as seen by our exporters.