But some of the challenges—and it will be evident, as the member and members of the select committee investigate, those reports like farrierswier and GHD that peer-reviewed the WICS study, they will say that some of the shortcomings are, for example, in the area of climate change. How can you fully cost the impact of climate change in relation to a resilient water infrastructure network, when you're starting from a very low baseline of information, and that isn't information you get. But we shouldn't fear it; what we should so is say, "OK, if our long-term objective of going down the path of reform is to build a more resilient water infrastructure network for the whole of New Zealand, where everybody has the right to have clean, safe water, and then we're improving our investment in our plants, our waste-water treatment plans, that will have a positive impact on our environment, our stormwater systems, smart urban design using the natural features that we have in the area, we can then continue to get more information around a resilient network." That's where I hope we get to.