Hon JAMES SHAW: In the member's question there, he equates a drop in productivity to a drop in the bottom lines of farmers, and, actually, what the research shows is that farmers can actually increase their profitability whilst reducing their greenhouse gas emissions. That is the frustration with this particular debate. What the debate needs to focus on is the reduction in agricultural greenhouse gas emissions, rather than a really simplistic debate about the methodology that you might take to get there. 