I was privileged to be in the town hall and to actually feel the emotion. The soundscape—actually, even though at the time of the Dawn Raids, I was but a child, when we heard the soundscape of police dogs and people crashing through doors, it actually reminded me of South Auckland in the 1990s. So I think it's really important for us to not compartmentalise the time of the Dawn Raids. It wasn't like racism started with the Dawn Raids; it was there before the Dawn Raids and it continued after the Dawn Raids. 