That being said, when this bill was first brought to our caucus, my initial, gut reaction was absolute abhorrence at the thought of conversion therapy. I was actually stunned. I couldn't believe that in modern New Zealand, a practice like that could actually be undertaken, and I still feel like that. But one thing that I learnt through the select committee process was that it's a lot more complicated and more nuanced. A lot of the submissions that we heard from people that had been to subjected to conversion therapy, you could put on the more extreme end of the scale and you could put on the more mild end of the scale, but the one thing that was consistent was it had had a deeply negative impact on them. 