There's one person that we really need to listen to very, very closely, and that is Mayor of Auckland, Phil Goff. You've got to understand, this is a Labour Mayor of Auckland. He is the great man from this House that was here for 22 years. He was the leader of the Labour Party for three years. He was a very experienced Minister. He's very good friends with many of the people in this House. I often wonder whether Minister Wood is his son—that's the sort of thing I wonder about. But he is very, very close to this party, and he's a great man of Government. He's one of the great leaders of the Labour Party, and he's incredibly close and he's deeply embedded with this Government, so we should listen to him incredibly closely, because I think Phil Goff gets it. I really think he understands this one. I think he gets it really well. 