Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Kia ora. As the member will be aware, Mana in Mahi has been brilliant, and I've heard that in terms of the initiative, it compares so well with JobStart, which has a 5K start-up payment and another 5K to be paid in 90 days. Mana in Mahi, on the other hand, when you compare Mana in Mahi with that National Party programme, is made up of a $9,580 wage subsidy but goes further and covers payment for any pre-employment training that is a required, incentivised training payment—a total of $25,000. So we don't need to create new programmes for the sake of creating them. Mana in Mahi is doing the business at the moment, and it's actually embarrassing the National Party so much that they just keep asking questions about it, which is fantastic. 