ARENA WILLIAMS (Labour—Manurewa): Mr Speaker, tēnā koe. Thank you for the opportunity to speak on this bill. Let me start by saying that if we want an effective justice system which treats everyone—and when I say "everyone", I mean victims, Māori, offenders, and families—fairly and with respect, we need to be led by the evidence. A defence of the three-strikes law requires a sort of wilful disinterest in that evidence and how an effective sentencing regime should work, disinterest in the harsh penalties for serious offences that are more effective than the three-strikes regime, and a tolerance for outcomes which are not fair. I use that word "wilful disinterest" because three strikes has not reduced serious offending and victimisation. It does not do what its proponents wanted it to do and still say it does, despite the evidence which is there to be seen.