As Aucklanders, that is having a devastating effect on kids' education, on people's non-COVID healthcare, on businesses going broke. I've got businesses—the Minister said the events space is going well; he should ask the people at the ASB Events Centre, an iconic venue in huge trouble. You ask, "Well what does that mean?" and "Why is that relevant here?" Well, we have orders and restrictions under the alert level regime, at least, which mean that you can go to a shopping mall with thousands of other people—Westfield Newmarket every Saturday, every Sunday; there's more people in that mall than a lot of towns in this country—and yet ASB Showgrounds can't have an event with the same number of people, even though they're prepared to put much more stringent controls into the access that people have. We'd make the case, on behalf of the ASB Showgrounds and other people trying to hold events, that actually the Government should use these powers it has to make orders that are a lot more surgical in the way that they keep people safe from COVID and allow people to go about their business. You can go to Westfield Newmarket with a couple of thousand other people at a time, constantly going in and out—very dangerous. Having a controlled, restricted entry in and out, with special planning of where people can stand at any given time within the ASB Showgrounds—people who are experts at tracing who comes and goes from their exhibitions for other reasons, by the way—they can't do it. And I think that's an example where it could be more surgical.