The Environment Committee chair, the Hon Eugenie Sage, has actually done, I think, a very good job in summarising the nature of the hearing that we had back in June to discuss Estimates with the Minister for the Environment. But when I was listening to her assessment of what we discussed, I could not help but draw the conclusion, actually, that for the last five years we have heard very similar commentaries from the select committee chair: a lot about what's going to happen, a lot about the money that has been spent and the increase in taxpayer money that has been allocated, a lot of talk about the increased number of people working in the Ministry for the Environment, but almost no delivery, in that five years. Very little. It is still talking about the same things that this Government was talking about five long years ago.