Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (National): Well, it's interesting the Minister essentially concedes there that there is a philosophical difference between those of us who are not in favour of this bill and the Government pushing it. The Minister says he reserves the right—the Government reserves the right—to be able to put through legislation that reflects the position that they take. What is at the heart of this bill, though, is the question about how much control the Government should have over the Reserve Bank, and I think one of the things that is interesting, if you look under Part 2, under the bank's objectives, they're clearly stated there as the economic objectives, the financial stability objective, and the central bank objective, and each of those has got a clear statement about what the bank should be doing. Of course, we're going to have a board now that will be sitting over the bank if this bill is passed, making sure that those are the objectives that are covered. However, if you go to subclause (2) of clause 9, it states: "However, if an Order in Council is in force under section 121, the economic objective or objectives that apply under subsection (1)(a) are those that are specified in the order."