Most people want to do the responsible thing, and most people understand that in order for us to do the responsible thing, we need to have a strong, transparent, democratic government system that is able to regulate and hold these companies to account, and to tell them no sometimes—"No. No you can't do that because it's not in the interests of the New Zealand public."—and I really wish that some people had said no in the past. When it comes to the way that this fossil fuel exploitation has happened in New Zealand, it has cost the New Zealand public, and we're very fortunate we haven't had a catastrophic incident like they regularly have now in the Gulf of Mexico, where we have pipelines bursting and catching fire. We haven't had a severe catastrophic incident, but we have had many, many oil spills, and there are consequences for our sea life because of that. 