Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: The member should consider my quote in the full context in which it was made. The point that I was making was that when people refer to failure at the border in relation to specific incursions, the people who work at the border—who get out of bed every day and go to work to keep themselves, their families, and the New Zealand community safe—see that as a direct criticism of their work, and people should be careful when they make those kind of bald statements. They are unfair. There will be cases of COVID-19 that make it past the border. That is not a sign that people who work at the border have failed.