Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: No, I don't think it will be directly as a result of COVID-19, because the Government is continuing to provide the full subsidies for those services, even where they only have one or two or even no children attending those early childhood services. Where their parent revenue—the fees charged to parents—makes up more than 30 percent of their income, they have been eligible to apply for the wage subsidy, and several of those services have already done so. So I don't think that that will be the reason for some services experiencing financial difficulty. I do want to acknowledge, though, that even before COVID-19, there were some small community-based early childhood services that had been experiencing financial difficulties, and that the COVID-19 situation has simply brought that into even starker relief.