Mr Brown, if you want to talk meaningfully about how to address gangs and the drug problem, come over here; I'll talk any time. But the first thing we need to do is stop using the word "they" and start using the words "us" and "our"—our communities, our people, they are suffering, they are broken. Some people commit crimes and they need to be addressed through the justice system. But first and foremost, we need to address the drivers of crime: poverty, addiction, health, and intergenerational trauma. Those are the things which you don't seem to understand. We shouldn't be coming to this House with a high-handed arrogance that "others" everyone else, that says, "I'm better and here's what we're going to do to them." 