CHRIS PENK (National—Kaipara ki Mahurangi): Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I've been enjoying the discussion between Minister Nanaia Mahuta and the Hon Gerry Brownlee. I think, as Mr Brownlee has articulated, this is a really key area for the committee itself to understand, with the implication, of course, that courts might be called upon in the future—and, in fact, inevitably will be—to consider the question. So to have some clarity provided through this process would I think be helpful indeed. 