We do need to spend carefully and wisely, and we do need to look at the outcomes. So let's look at some of the initiatives that were not only announced in our emissions reduction plans but were funded through the Climate Emergency Response Fund yesterday. If we look at the Decarbonising Industry Fund, just for example, Government Investment in Decarbonising Industry, then we can have a look at what that fund has already been doing in its first iteration: $68 million of Crown investment that has leveraged $117 million of expenditure from the private sector and is set to remove enough carbon that is the equivalent to 134,000 cars by the time that has rolled out. I want to know the details of what National are going to put in place instead of doing that, because they have said that that is wrong. So let's have a debate—it is right and proper—but that involves the Opposition coming up with an alternative and us having a real debate, not just lazy political rhetoric.