STUART SMITH: Well, it might be true, but I just think that's a fairly spurious argument. I think it's quite outrageous because there's a beautiful and, in fact, magnificent opportunity for iwi to actually manage their own economic future. They've got the resources, particularly in the North Island, to be able to take advantage of that, and so I think that this bill, while it does amend the Māori Purposes Act 1959 to give the autonomy and flexibility to manage Rotoaira, that lake and the fishery within there—and I note that iwi will not need to use fishing licences there too. And that brings up another really important point, I think, that is lost on many people in New Zealand: how when Māori are given the opportunity to manage fisheries, how well they do it. They do it because it's ingrained in their DNA, effectively, and that's been from generations of starving, practically, if you got it wrong, whereas today, we have other food sources readily available, but that was often the case, I'm sure, back in their history when they would have got it wrong. So they have learnt how to manage and live effectively in harmony with a particular fishing resource, and fishing in particular, because that would be their main source if they lived around the lakes and the seas.