Hon EUGENIE SAGE (Minister of Conservation): Mr Chair, thank you. So there was no embarrassment here. What the Prime Minister announced is what is happening. The member will be aware that in some areas, as in her electorate, in Aoraki/Mount Cook National Park, the Department of Conservation acts as the local authority. It collects the rubbish in the area. Similarly, at Whakapapa in Tongariro National Park, the department provides waste-water systems. So those fees do continue, because as when ratepayers pay rates, they're paying for those services that are provided, similarly here, those fees continue.