One of those key areas is exotic forestry, and there needs to be major change there and a major overhaul in the role of forestry in the emissions trading scheme (ETS), and I note that today, Beef + Lamb and Local Government New Zealand have come out with a discussion paper on that, calling for a much more strategic approach to forestry in the ETS. As the Climate Change Commission made really clear in Ināia tonu nei, relying too much on forests will not lock us into net carbon zero. To achieve meaningful decarbonisation before 2050, we need to reduce emissions, not just try and offset them through extensive pine planting. Dame Anne Salmond has said really recently that—and I quote—"The ETS is a spreadsheet designed in a silo, and an ecologist's nightmare. It privileges the planting of monocultures of exotic conifers … while failing to assess their … impacts".