Hon MICHAEL WOOD: I note two points in response to the member's question. The first is that Waka Kotahi is conducting more of that activity from within its own resources and actually has fewer external contractors doing that work than it did in the 2017/18 year. Secondly, what I note is that the agency is doing more. It is getting on with more projects to deliver transport outcomes for New Zealanders in the region, and many of those communications staff are not sitting in offices in Wellington; they're actually out there in the regions communicating with communities like the Tauranga community about the Takatimu North Link or with the East Auckland community about the Eastern Busway.