Now, I read the National Party minority view when I came down to the House on this legislation. They said we need to be realistic about rail. If we're going to be realistic about it, let's be realistic about the history: the history of privatisation, under-investment, defunding, and making the rail network come to the Government asking for specific pots of money. We heard from Mr Bishop that rail was uneconomic—only uneconomic under their old-fashioned paradigm. I mean, it's like these guys have been in a time machine to the 1950s, and then in that time machine, in a cave, they're still putting their hands over their eyes and fingers in their ears. It's not normal what we do in New Zealand. If you look anywhere around the world, you see Governments investing in rail, you see countries using rail, you see citizens and freight being moved on rail. Rail isn't uneconomic; it's only their old-fashioned paradigm.