Further to that, I took a drive up through the Awatere Valley after that to go and have another look at something completely different, which is in the Awatere Valley pastoral leases and how they are going to be impacted by this bill, and I was told I wasn't allowed to take my four-wheel drive car, I had to take a ute, and I took a four-wheel drive ute for a legitimate use. We drove up the valley and what really became obvious in the Molesworth property next door to Muller Station and the way that they are being managed is the wilding pine issue, and this is where we have a problem. So the Department Of Conservation manages a large part of that upper valley, and we've got a significant wilding pine issue. Grazing merino wethers on those blocks that are exposed to the wilding pines—when those small little seedlings coming through, the merino wethers will eat that—they'll eat that; cattle won't. So they'll eat that, they control them, and any that get away, that are missed by the stock—because once they get a little bit too big, they won't eat it—they come in with a helicopter and spot-spray them. It's such a vast area to cover; it's the only way they can deal with it.