Hon TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua): Thank you, Madam Speaker. The last speaker in this debate, the Hon James Shaw, mentioned the moral journey that future generations may have to pay off, and the moral obligation that we have, and that we need to set the solutions to long-term challenges. That's an admirable sentiment from a member of the Government, but we haven't seen a lot of that in action. Indeed, when it comes to the challenge that future generations will have in paying off the significant amount of debt that will be run up in the coming years, the absolute obligation on this Government is to spend as little as is necessary and to spend it very well—