I agree also with the amendment in the name of Greg O—Greg O'Connor. I did nearly choke on that one, but I do support your amendment, Greg. I think that it is something that has been a careful consideration around trying to come to terms with the unease in this House about having more than 20 weeks allowable and freed up for abortions. I think that the two medical specialist practitioners that are spelt out in your amendment who can determine whether there's risk to life or of serious harm to the physical or mental health, and also if the child is impaired—that there should be something done about it. I'd like the Minister in the chair, the Hon Andrew Little, to answer this question, and it's been skirted around. When does life begin, Minister: at conception, at birth, at 20 weeks—for those of us who've felt the kick, who've seen the heartbeat? Where does it start? 