CHRIS BISHOP: Oh yeah, there's been other committees, but the problem—and this is the point I was going to go on to make—is that of course it's not just the Minister who has to account, it's also the officials. And there have been repeated occasions when committees—plural—have tried to get senior officials in who have been stymied by the Labour majority. So given he raises that point, I do just note, in rebuttal, that it has been deeply and immensely frustrating to be stymied at examining senior officials responsible for vast swathes of public expenditure and who have enormous power in the system—to not be able to ask basic questions of the officials. The fact that the last National Government wasn't crash hot at this either is not rebuttal to why the Government should not be better. It's just a point.