I'll move on to the next point, if I may, Minister: clause 11(ba), where it talks about what the family dispute resolution (FDR) provider would consider appropriate. Again, Minister, I bring to your and this House's attention that the New Zealand Law Society's submission and recommendation—again, a speciality group of lawyers called Family Court lawyers, represented in these submissions by the New Zealand Law Society, made the recommendation, Minister, that clause 11 places the onus on the FDR provider rather than the FDR supplier to facilitate that participation of children in the mediation process. Minister, could you please explain why is it that the New Zealand Law Society, representing the specialist expert body of family lawyers representing children, which this bill has been drafted to address, has completely discounted and discredited that it should be an FDR supplier and not provider?