ERICA STANFORD (National—East Coast Bays): Well, if there was ever a speech that completely missed the mark and was completely out of touch, that was it from Chris Hipkins. He's talking about economic indicators and OECD averages and inflation and unemployment when people out there don't want to hear that, because they are deciding whether or not they can afford to buy a meal for dinner tonight or a raincoat for their kid, or some shoes, or fill up the car with gas. That's what they're thinking about. They're not worried about OECD averages, Mr Hipkins, and I'll tell you what else they're worried about. They're worried about whether or not they turn up at the emergency department waiting area and whether or not they'll be seen or whether or not they'll be turned away to die, as it turns out. 