But these recommendations—including subsidising electric vehicles (EVs), including banning gas barbecues, including banning coal boilers—they all have a cost with them, but they will not reduce emissions by one gram of carbon dioxide. That is all taken care of with the ETS. So it's essential that we have the numbers that back up those recommendations and what other implications they will have. Now, there may well be a very good reason why we would want to have an early EV policy. That would be a "feebate" or a subsidy to get more EVs into circulation in New Zealand. However, there is a slight problem with that. At the moment, there is a real supply shortage of EVs. There's a lack of choice in terms of models that are available. As far as I know, there is no seven-seat EV available, and if you've got a large family that would be essential. So we need to know what's driving that and actually what would happen with a "feebate" or a subsidy for new EVs. It's middle-class welfare. The only people that will be buying new EVs will be people on high incomes. The only people buying near new—as those vehicles roll through to used vehicles—are people on high incomes. So I don't see the point in that particular policy. We know we're going to get to net zero, because there's only so many emissions certificates available.