I think that it's a sad day in this House, because the impacts of long-term welfare dependency, particularly on children, are harsh. Of the children, and there are thousands of them in New Zealand who live in material hardship, 60 percent of them are in benefit-dependent homes, so to put measures in place that keep their parents, keep their families, dependent on benefits is just plain wrong. It is totally and absolutely wrong to remove the expectation, to remove the aspiration, of that family being a working family, and keeping them as a benefit-dependent family is plainly and simply wrong. 