Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (National): Your ruling is, of course, absolutely accepted, but in his rebuttal the honourable Minister managed to open up quite a lot of other issues that clearly can't just stand without some response. The first thing I would say is that much as he might want to criticise the last National Government, he should recognise what a huge mess a Government that he was part of left in 2008. It took years to straighten it all up. We finally got there. Somehow these guys have ended up with another opportunity to mess it all up again, and we're looking at some of the most extraordinary debt the country has ever seen being piled up by these guys at the moment, with absolutely no plan for where they go from here. 