The member who's introduced the bill, Maureen Pugh, talked quite a lot about the history of some other legislation. I'm going to focus on this bill before us today. As I said, in summary, this focus on timber on conservation land is not appropriate. The bill talks a lot about trees and timber, but "tree" is not defined in the bill, it's not defined in the Conservation Act either, whereas, of course, "timber" is defined in the bill, but in relation to a tree. 