PENNY SIMMONDS: The member's party set the pay rates five years ago that ranged between 15 and 50 percent over five years, which is considerably more than 4.6 percent over two years. So we have left these vulnerable workers who look after our most vulnerable people in society. We have left them and we have hung them out to dry—or this Government has hung them out to dry. They have got no voice in this process at all. Their unions can't represent them in a normal negotiation process. And goodness, as a chief executive, I can see how valuable that has been over the number of years. But this Labour Government, steeped in union organisers, has taken away the voice of the unions. It's unbelievable. They've taken away the voice of the workers. No select committee process—we're standing here doing it under urgency because there is no select committee process. And so there is no opportunity for them to say, "Oh, actually we don't think full 4.6 percent over 18 months is good enough. It's well below inflation."