I might just say this about victims of crime, because I know the National Party trots that out as if they're somehow the champions of the victims of crime. They're not. They ran down the police force. We saw a rise in crime, a massive increase in the prison population under their time, a lot of victims as a result. They did nothing about trying to improve the outcomes for prisoners to reduce their offending. They just carried on putting more and more back into prison. But I make this point too: actually, the majority of those in prison are also victims of crime. They've been victims of child abuse, child sexual abuse. They've been beaten and treated and also badly assaulted and harmed. Most of those people in prison are victims of crime. So when the members opposite are trying to trot this out as though they're mutually exclusive; they're not. And if we have a system that's doing its job, it's actually recognising that and working on stopping the criminal habits and the criminal attitudes to change those behaviours.