Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: The member talks about the raw figures of those on benefit. We've previously traversed this in the House. Prior to COVID, the proportion of working-age New Zealanders on benefit remained relatively stagnant, because you do need to take into consideration the population of working-age New Zealanders. We have seen a significant increase over the course of the last year due to COVID, but it is a relief that we haven't reached the heights that had been anticipated when the Budget Economic and Fiscal Update was released, when the Pre-Election Economic and Fiscal Update was released, and when HYEFU was released.