Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: It is a sign of the fact that we are in a once-in-a-lifetime situation when it comes to healthcare. We are like every other country. The member would struggle to find any emergency department anywhere in the world that hasn't come under sustained pressure over the last two-and-a-half years. In fact, our health system has not experienced the degree of pressure for the duration that many other health systems have. We've been dealing with it for this year; many health systems have been dealing with it for two-and-a-half years now.