Dr EMILY HENDERSON (Labour—Whangārei): As we transition away from a fossil fuel economy, as we know we must, that does leave us with the problem of ageing infrastructure and how we manage the moving-out process from the companies who have been running our fossil fuels companies. How do we then go on to deal with the ongoing issue of pipelines under the sea, of aged and remaining infrastructure that may continue to cause us problems in the future? It may be, as our friend from ACT has said this evening, that most companies are responsible. One would certainly hope that they were. It is certainly a fundamental principle of ordinary morality that when one makes a mess, one cleans up for it.