DAVID SEYMOUR: We know that COVID is going to become endemic in the world, and we know that sooner or later we end up living with it. We're all going to the same place. The question is how much we're going to borrow and spend and how many other costs on people's psychology and the development of children we're going to pile on to people in the meantime, and how prepared we are to reduce the worst risks that COVID puts on people.