I was also really disappointed to listen to David Seymour, because somehow he buys into that whole theory that Māori are privileged and have greater rights than other New Zealanders. It's interesting, Sir James Hēnare said, "Unity doesn't mean to say we have to be the same". We're not the same, and I speak often about crossing over the bridge that is Te Tiriti o Waitangi from the Pākehā world into the Māori world. And I ask David Seymour, does he want to cross that bridge from his Pākehā world into the Māori world? Because he sees New Zealand and everybody in New Zealand being equal, if they are equal in his mould, in his vision of Aotearoa. And what's really sad is that David Seymour has Māori whakapapa but he was born into the non-Māori world, and he wants everybody to be equal in his image. The reality is Te Tiriti o Waitangi in article 3 guaranteed equity. And if equity means that Māori have lower life expectancy, have lower employment rates, have lower education, then that's not equity, and what he's doing is actually going against the principles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. He has proved that he does not want to cross that bridge that is Te Tiriti o Waitangi and learn more about his own whakapapa.