SIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): What's fascinating, as you listen to the left wing—or the radical far left, off to my left here in the Green Party, who want to defund the police—is that, according to them, there is absolutely no problem with criminals in New Zealand. There are no problems with criminals with guns! And, lo and behold, there is definitely no problem with gang members with guns committing crime!