Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I am well known for my skills in diplomacy, but it is not for me to provide a commentary on what other countries are doing with their COVID tracer apps or name and shame them. The member can read the newspaper himself if he wishes to find out what other countries are doing around that. In terms of encouraging uptake of the COVID Tracer app, yes, that is something that we are looking at. One of the things the member might like to know when it comes to his sudden desire for the Government to be putting in place more compulsory measures, which somewhat highlights the identity crisis of the ACT Party at the moment, is that the Apple/Google exposure notification framework is provided to us to use on the basis that it cannot be made compulsory.