Closing down meant different things to different countries. In New Zealand, closing down came to a choice: we could either concentrate on our people—as Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, the previous speaker, has been talking about—or we could concentrate fully on the economy. Obviously, the two are not mutually exclusive, but in New Zealand, and, I would say people with a background like myself, who's been quite reasonably heavily involved in business, the concept of shutting down an economy for four or five weeks was a very scary thought. No one knew what we would end up doing, and so, as a result, most countries weren't as courageous as New Zealand was. Most countries didn't go to the end and work backwards. Everyone in New Zealand knew what the rules were. As COVID cases started to grow—and it was interesting, just checking up—we didn't quite get to a thousand cases. In mid-April, we were at just below a thousand. 