So I'd ask the member to please clarify what are the qualifications for the Ngāi Tahu representatives. Do we expect them to be qualified as directors, do we expect them to have had experience serving in governance roles, and, because there is no current possibility that they could be voted out, in what way will they present their credentials that demonstrate they're qualified to act in a governance role, having voting rights over the natural resources and the way that people use their land in Canterbury? So I want to understand a bit more about that. 