JOSEPH MOONEY (National—Southland): I just go further on my colleague Mark Cameron's point. I have spoken to people who do manage rural water suppliers now, and they say that the penalty regime will, basically, mean for them that they cannot continue in their role. These are people who are very experienced in the provision of water. They've done a very good job over many, many years ensuring water is supplied to their rural communities. So I would ask the Minister to explain to them whether it is worth them continuing in the role providing water to their communities with a punitive penalty regime that exposes them to a very high level of risk.