Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: If we look at some of the figures—for instance, the numbers around those that have been on benefit between three to six months or six months to a year—we've actually been doing a relatively good job at turning around things so that people are supported into employment immediately. There are some people that have been on benefit for a longer period of time and National experienced the same thing. Our way of addressing it isn't punitive; it is to try and invest in those areas where we can support them to get the skills and training that they need to be able to take up employment.