Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Well, first of all, the member is actually neglecting to acknowledge that for many it is a lift to the same rates that some in the sectors are already receiving. The Minister, when he launched fair-pay agreements, did so alongside employers who support fair-pay agreements, because it's an acknowledgment that there are some sectors where there is a race to the bottom in terms of wages and conditions. This creates a fairer playing field. It means that you will see innovation in some sectors where, instead of pursuing cheap labour, we will see innovation and improvement in productivity.