But we've heard today about the history of this piece of legislation. In fact, the first piece of legislation was brought to Parliament under urgency to deal with the gun buy-back and a number of other matters related to people owning firearms in our community. At that time, the Government gave us estimates of the number of those guns that were out in the community, of how the buy-back might achieve a reduction in those guns, and then, yesterday, we heard the Minister saying very clearly that this would take the guns out of the hands of the gangs. Well, the statistics, unfortunately, tell you that's not going to happen, because we have an estimated, I think, 1.2 million to 1.5 million guns in New Zealand society now; we have about 248,000 or 250,000 licensed gun owners in our society; and we had an estimated 240,000 guns that were to be acquired as part of the gun buy-back. We seem to have acquired around 65,000. So there could be almost 180,000 of these now illegal guns still out in our community, and if they're in the hands—and they will be—of people who are unlicensed, they will never appear above ground again, because they can't afford to. Those people will not bring them back into circulation; they'll be sold to the underworld. 