As Minister for Youth, I've been out there talking to young people who've faced various circumstances that are difficult, and the youth sector organisations, youth workers, who have supported them over years. We know that what we need to do is address those barriers and not just to be punitive and hit them on the head with sanctions, as the other side wants to do. We don't view people receiving a benefit as hopeless. We don't view them as bottom feeders, as members on the other side have said. And we certainly don't view their circumstances as being a free ride.