Hon JULIE ANNE GENTER: An epidemic like COVID-19 perfectly demonstrates why we have Government, why we need investment in the Public Service. It was incredibly difficult in a short period of time to have the capacity to respond to this when there hadn't been investment over those nine years. And because of these two parties, constant campaigns against any bill, any approach to make the tax system fair and raise the revenue we need for public services and infrastructure, it's just difficult to take it seriously. On the one hand, they're complaining the Ministry of Health isn't good enough, or the border isn't good enough; on the other hand, they're arguing that the private sector should be brought in to sort it out. I can say that, in the United States, where my parents live, the private sector was brought in for personal protective equipment and it was an absolute disaster. So, yeah, I know that members on the right will be struggling for relevance in the world now, particularly as climate change becomes a bigger issue, but our ability to respond to COVID-19 together requires a recognition that we are not just individuals out there in competition with one another. We are a team of 5 million working together, and in doing so we have been incredibly effective.