The other matter that the member raised again was this question of finance costs. I'm not sure if the member was in the House when I ran through this before. Yes, we are paying more for that. Interest rates have risen significantly. When I look at the advice that's been released under the Official Information Act at the point of time that we were signing off on this, the worst case scenario had interest rates, the official cash rate, at 1 percent in 2023. No one was predicting where we are now, then. 