CHRIS BISHOP: —a vape-filled, closed room in the dead of night when they're trying to strike an industrial bargain. We've long ago realised that. Paul Keating realised that. Bob Hawke realised that. Roger Douglas in New Zealand realised that. Stan Rodger, who was the Minister of labour in the 1980s under that Labour Government, realised that. Successful progressive social democratic parties know that, which is why none of them, including the Australian Labor Party, are trying to go back to the bad old days. I'll tell you, the only party in the Western World, the only social democratic party in the Western World, trying to reverse 50 years of industrial progress is the New Zealand Labour Party. So they misremember the past.