In so doing, we need to address the fundamental question: quis custodiet ipsos custodes—who guards the guardians, of our children, in this case. As someone who has spent time with Oranga Tamariki, making complaints, taking complaints through that process, I can tell you it is, at present, incredibly fraught, incredibly difficult, to get sense out of Oranga Tamariki, because at present, it often feels like no one guards the guardians but themselves, and the people they are guarding are themselves and not our tamariki.