So my second question as a follow-up on that is: does he acknowledge and admit that there are a number of people in the tertiary sector that are arguing for either a pause on this for a period of time, or to scrap the reforms so that we can put all pedal to the metal and do everything possible to ensure that people are being upskilled, rather than stripping assets away from the community and focusing on that reorganisation? Instead, we're going to have huge institutional knowledge lost and not enough people focused on that training, but rather, they'll be focused on that institutional reform. 