ALASTAIR SCOTT: —his export tax. He justifies it by saying there will be jobs as a result. He's suggesting that we need more wood processing in New Zealand. Well, there's a list of associations in New Zealand that, for some reason, Mr Jones doesn't think talk to each other. There's the New Zealand Farm Forestry Association: 27 branches around the country, been around for 50 years—that's the New Zealand Farm Forestry Association. There's the Forest Owners Association. There's the Wood Council of New Zealand. There's the Wood Processors and Manufacturers Association. Apparently, these guys are all idiots; they don't really know how to run their business! They're being told to work closer together—"Otherwise we'll tax you." There's the Forest Industry Contractors Association, and there's the New Zealand Timber Industry Federation. There are a lot of smart people out there. They've been in the business. They know what they're doing. They're not interested in having a layer of compliance, an obligation, to restrict their markets by being forced to put their logs in this processing factory or that factory.