NICOLA GRIGG: Now, well, that's the point, Chris Bishop. How is it going? I asked them that. I said, "What tangible outcomes, what results, what changes have you as an office been able to make on bills like Pae Ora, like three waters, like fresh water reform?" Answer: "We don't measure them. We haven't really had much impactful change.", which says to me, once again, that a Government who thinks it can run everything from Wellington is a recipe for worse health outcomes in underserviced communities, not better. 