I reject utterly the Government's point of view, backed and supported by their loyal sidekicks the Greens, that they should instantly reject whatever is in this bill simply on the basis that they don't like it. Now, one of the fundamental principles of our parliamentary democracy is that we should be able to debate and discuss and engage with each other about ideas and principles and philosophies. None, I think, are more important than those that are impacting on our environment, on our beautiful natural environment, because as New Zealanders we are all connected with it and it means so much to us all. I'm one that thinks that issues relating to the environment shouldn't be relegated to one side or the other of the political spectrum. I think that's far too important. So I reject utterly the Government's point of view that they know best and that they are not prepared to engage or listen or interact with anyone who may have the temerity to have an even marginally different, slightly different, view to their own.