Our second-strikers: I mentioned 640 of them being eligible for a third strike, and there's been concern about disproportionate sentences having to be offered by judges. Well, let's analyse that a bit, shall we? In the second strike you still need to have a full sentence, but a judge can actually look at what that sentence may be, and we have a couple of examples here. What about Justice Cooke's sentencing of Wayne Reardon, the Black Power member who was convicted of being the ring leader in the shooting of James Butler in his driveway? That sentencing happened in only April of this year—a second-strike sentence—and despite the finality of death for Mr Butler, Reardon had his upbringing, the trauma in his life, taken into account at sentencing, and Justice Cooke was also mindful of not being disproportionately severe in the second-strike sentencing because the entire sentence would need to be carried out. In Reardon's case, it was suggested in one media report that the sentence was light because it would need to be served in its entirety. A second-striker sentenced to a full term of incarceration for taking a man's life—it seems fair to me, and it seems fair to a number of Kiwis out there, too.