It's hard to go to prison in New Zealand. That's a good thing. I actually think that the threshold should be quite high in terms of going to prison and going to jail. But the reality of it is if they offend that badly and they're in jail—they find themselves in prison—inherently, they should lose some rights. Kiwis feel that "Yes, the vote is a right." We have lots of rights. We have the right to freedom of movement—that's taken away from a prisoner when they go to jail. 