CHRISTOPHER LUXON: Now, he would know—right?—because he was a very effective Minister. He was a great leader of the Labour Party, he's been an outstanding Mayor of Auckland, and I think we need to listen to Mayor Phil Goff. Minister Wood, he's a wise man; I know you take his tutelage all the time. It's fantastic. But I think he points out an issue that we've got to do something about. 