Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: It'd be fair to say the Tertiary Education Commission have been giving a range of quite frank advice on the Te Pūkenga change process. It is a work in progress. Based on the TEC advice, the board of Te Pūkenga commissioned some independent expertise as well, to review their change processes so far, that have made some quite robust recommendations about that. It is still a work in progress. There is still a lot more that needs to be done. I still have confidence in Te Pūkenga undertaking that change process, but it is a complex programme of change and it does have risk associated with it.