Hon JAMES SHAW: —Chamber, and he may remember this—when 98,000 hectares of land were planted in forests. Throughout the 1990s—during which time, of course, there was a National Government through pretty much all of the 1990s—a total of 554,000 hectares were planted. So if you compare that to today, there are only 13,300 hectares per year—so considerably lower than the afforestation rates that took place during the 1990s. What we've anticipated is that the forestry changes to this bill will result in an increase to 23,000 hectares a year, which is still, again, substantially lower than the afforestation rates during the 1990s.