Hon JAMES SHAW: Thank you, Mr Speaker. He was just getting into his stride at the 9 minutes and 58 seconds mark. Mr Bayly says that we should be more like Australia. Well, let me tell you something, Mr Bayly: Australia has a higher top tax rate than New Zealand does and a capital gains tax. So if he wants us to be more like Australia, I welcome his support for higher taxes on those who earn more money and capital gains taxes, because if he thinks that New Zealanders are going to up sticks and move to Australia on the basis that somehow they'll be better off on those bases, he's incorrect.