Mr Seymour then moved on to workplace relations matters. I just simply disagree with the way he describes the nature of fair pay agreements, of industry-wide bargaining as some sort of closed-shop situation. That's not what they are at all. Or that the minimum wage stops people being able to get employment. There is absolutely no evidence that that is the case. In fact, the OECD these days is actually advising that the best industrial relations settings that a nation can have are a mixture of individual agreements, enterprise level collective agreements, and sector level collective agreements, and that that achieves the right balance of flexibility, productivity, and security and creates the opportunity for us to address the inequality issue that many developed—especially Western—nations face in wages across their economies. The OECD has changed its thinking on this, it has to be said, and I'd encourage the member to consider changing his thinking as well, because, as the facts and the evidence change, our responses have to change over time as well. 