Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Isn't this interesting? The true National Party opposing more people being in work, opposing businesses getting higher profits, opposing people going out and consuming more and spending in their communities. We have struck a careful balance because we have kept net debt at levels that are much lower than the countries that we compare ourselves to while making sure that we invest in the core public services we need. The validation for that comes from the rating agencies who have given us triple A ratings: the IMF, the OECD, who have all said that New Zealand deserves to be congratulated for the way it's come through the pandemic.