If the member wants to talk about what is driving that State house waiting list, it is not only the selling off but the failure of the previous Government to build any houses over nine years. They finished Government with 1,500 fewer houses than they started with. If they'd built at even our minimum level of 1,600 houses a year, we would have had 15,000 more public houses in New Zealand. So if any member wants to have a conversation about why we have had an increase in our public housing register, I'm happy to have that conversation. I can also tell that member, from being in an electorate office and being an electorate MP, that we no longer have tenants too scared to come and put themselves on the register—people who might be overcrowding into a house with other tenants. 