Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: It's really important that we look at the full number of people that are on a benefit. What we are seeing are more exits off benefit into employment than we have seen since electronic records were kept. We're also seeing some very promising results with our front-line staff being able to work effectively with those that come on to benefit, getting them into work as quickly as possible. What we know is that long-term welfare dependency is more likely the longer that you are on benefit. What we're doing is investing to work with people as soon as they come on benefit. We're seeing the results and I think that sets us in good stead for the longer-term trajectory.