Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: One of the things that I would point out if the member wishes to pursue the idea that we shouldn't have any kind of excise is the fact that when his party was last in Government, they continued to increase excise because that is, of course, how we pay for our roading projects. And I note that a number of his members had been at the very roading projects that that excise has funded. So if the member wants to no longer fund roads, he will have a significant problem because that was almost entirely the National Party's infrastructure plan when they were last in Government.