TODD MULLER: My colleague says it's ideology, and it is, because you are not looking at the individual circumstances of each one of the polytechs. No one argues that those that are poor performers should not look to improve and have the necessary structural improvements to enable it, but surely not at the expense of those that have already done this journey and have landed an outcome which I think, certainly from a Bay of Plenty perspective, from a Tauranga perspective, Toi Ohomai has done remarkably successfully.