So we heard from members on this side that this has nothing to do with productivity and that there are no productivity returns around that. Well, the evidence says otherwise. The evidence says that, as a country, we have a problem with what is called presenteeism. It's the opposite of absenteeism. It's people compulsively turning up to work when they are sick and underperforming and making others sick. That has a really significant impact on productivity, and employers lose. Families lose. We all lose from this obsessive culture of seeing human beings as a cost as opposed to the people that actually do the work that create the value in our society.