Hon MICHAEL WOOD: And the members, again, refuse to engage in a serious debate. They know and everyone knows that in the previous term of Government there was not agreement amongst the governing parties about proceeding with that project, and so it couldn't. That's the reality. Everyone knows that. From the beginning of this Government, we have set about that task. We have an indicative business case under way, detailed planning that is now under way, a firm political commitment to move forward with the project. I think that New Zealanders of all of our major metro centres want a Government that is ready to actually make these investments, to make these cities better after many years of neglect, and that is what we will continue to do.