Hon DAVID BENNETT: Now, Mr O'Connor may say "rubbish" there, but, you know, he's all the time saying that we need to trade with the world, we need to be in the business area, and yet he's cutting out this very business that people are in of providing housing for other people. And he can't explain that. And Mr Nash, who's sitting beside him, is another reasonable member of the Labour Party. I remember Mr Nash saying that we should tax just income and not actually have any expenses that can be deductible, at one stage. He soon backtracked from that.