Hon STUART NASH: —then the world would be an easy place. But we want to cut up a lot of these logs, like we do in your neck of the woods, Mr McClay. I mean, the interesting thing is, actually, the largest investment into wood processing is in New Zealand in Red Stag Timber, and we've supported them. It's fantastic. But we need to ensure that the settings are right, so those who want to invest in wood processing can do it. Hence just one of the examples of the industry transformation plans.