But perhaps we have a better insight into the Opposition's position from an earlier interview today from the Leader of the Opposition when she said, referring to COVID, "Well, we just believe there needs to be an end time for this. There has to be some sort of, let's say, when it finishes." So we get on the phone and we give COVID a call and we say, "When are you finishing? When is it over?" Actually, I'd be quite surprised if COVID could keep up with the National Party's positions on the vaccine certificate, so fast are they moving.