Now, people might reasonably question the Minister's statement that we're in control and the Government has handled this well when they see the costs imposed upon New Zealanders, when they see businesses closing and saying they will not be able to open again, when they see students anxious about the loss of learning as they approach high-stakes exams, and when they see the fiscal cost. You know, by one estimate, the cost of this lockdown is the equivalent of a whole year's Pharmac budget for taxpayer-funded pharmaceuticals. That is quite an extraordinary cost, and it puts in perspective that this is not just lives versus dollars or health versus the economy; it's actually a question of lives versus lives. 