Hon JUDITH COLLINS (National—Papakura): There was one point that the member who's resumed her seat, Ingrid Leary, has made that I can agree with, and that is that independent media is extremely important. It's a cornerstone of our democracy. That's why it actually needs to be independent. I don't think that the sort of charter and the sort of rule-making that this Government has shown itself capable of doing, particularly around the public media fund, otherwise known as the media slush fund of $55 million a year, is actually something that we could say is indicative of independent media. We've seen blog-sters getting it, we've seen it all the way through, and we've seen a recurring theme of control of the media, and this bill will not lessen that. In fact, it will increase it, because instead of having two publicly owned entities, in TVNZ and Radio New Zealand, it will now be one. So there is actually another removal of another source of information.