Hon JAMES SHAW: I will give the member an example—sorry, I haven't had a great deal of sleep at all recently, so I'm not really counting. I will give the member an example of how policies that get introduced outside of the emissions trading scheme actually reduce costs on households rather than increase them as he is positing. For example, the recent Clean Car Discount programme that was introduced by the Hon Michael Wood has led to a 300 percent increase in the importation of electric vehicles into this country. If you wanted to achieve the same result using only the emissions trading scheme (ETS), that would mean that the ETS unit price would need to be just shy of $600. The distributional impact of that on households in New Zealand is actually unacceptable. So complementary measures are a way of ensuring—