This policy has had nine years to show us that it works, and the empirical evidence is that it does not. More parents have not ended up in paid employment as the result of this punitive piece of legislation. More whānau have not ended up better off as a result of this punitive piece of legislation. When you talk about wanting to make results, I suggest we have a look at the last nine years, and we see that there haven't been any, so let's start with the facts. 