Hon LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupō): Thank you, Madam Chair. I entirely agree with the Minister that the focus of the welfare system should be to support people to fulfil their potential, which is why I continue to be concerned about the very conscious decision that I have in written question answers about the focus on those either not on benefit or up to three months as opposed to those long term on benefit. And I want to ask the question of the Minister in terms of the programmes and initiatives that are funded in the employment and social outcomes support area, rather than more generally in benefit payments. Specifically, whether or not the consideration has been given to the length of time that a young person, if they go on to a benefit under the age of 20, will spend on a benefit, whether focused efforts could have been prioritised in that area. And also ask a question about what preventative initiatives have been funded in Budget 2022/23, which is of course what we are debating in this appropriations debate, to reduce the number of children being raised in benefit-dependent homes, which at the moment sits at one in five.