Nobody knows what immigration will look like when COVID-19 is out of here and we return to normal. The Government suggests that they're against 90,000 net arrivals but, with their track record, who know? We just don't know what it will look like. Are they planning to cap it at 30,000, like they campaigned on in 2017 but didn't do anything about? More importantly, what should New Zealand's immigration policy actually be? There are, of course, arguments out there for cutting immigration, but they're ultimately wrong. Some argue that there are too many people here already, and they talk about the demands on infrastructure. They say, "Yeah, roads and houses and schools still get built, but"—apparently—"immigration stops us from specialising, because too much capital is tied up in providing the basics."