PENNY SIMMONDS: Terribly patronising, and, by golly, the Minister might have done some desk thumping and some yelling and some righteous indignation in his speech before, but I spent 23 years negotiating with the unions, and I bet there's a back room where there's a bit of table thumping and voices being raised and a Minister having his pedigree read to him by these unions on what hasn't been done in the last five years. And those unions have got every right to be doing this—absolutely every right—because they are the unions that represent some of the lowest paid, some of the most vulnerable workers, looking after some of the most vulnerable people in our society. So I hope that that back room is getting a fair airing with the Minister, if not now, very shortly. 