I'll just give you one example from Auckland Council. I was speaking to a local councillor on the weekend, and the bureaucracy told the councillors a zero rate increase is impossible, cannot be done—"We won't even do the modelling for you." Now, thankfully, a few of the councillors pushed back, and I understand they are going to get some modelling of what that would mean. But far too often, the option of saving money is left to the council bureaucracy, who are the main source of cost. And haven't we seen that with Auckland Council recently with the number of indescribable unfathomable job titles that nevertheless attract six figure salaries with numbers like three and four in front of them? There is no question that councils are impacting on ratepayers and particularly on business ratepayers at the moment in the most destructive way, that will cost jobs by slowing down the recovery of the economy. And yet the Government has failed to put in place any measures to allow councils to either breach their debt ceilings or give relief to ratepayers, particularly company ratepayers. So I wholeheartedly endorse Jami-Lee Ross's amendment, and I hope that it will have wide support, because the impact of rates and the intransigence of council bureaucracies in reducing them are a major problem for business, jobs, and employment at the moment.