Many New Zealanders have raised concerns about these types of joint-management or co-governance arrangements, and some of these concerns are legitimate. I could give you the example in Auckland of the co-governance arrangements over Auckland's maunga—our volcanic cones—which has resulted in a large number of trees being removed against the wishes of the local community, because it turns out that once these co-governance relationships are entered into, many other people who live in that community, private property owners and those who care about their environment—their parks and reserves and their natural place—as much as any other New Zealander does, from any ethnicity, feel that their concerns are not in fact being heard. They have lost the decision-making power over their reserves, and, in fact, even their elected representatives on their local councils have lost their decision-making power.