Here's why it matters: the separation, regardless of the physical proximity of the Minister responsible for the Parliamentary Service to the Parliamentary Service, the actual separation of governance and oversight from the operational aspects of this place are very, very important. There are 1,100 employees of the Parliamentary Service. I was the Minister for Immigration; there are 1,200 employees of Immigration New Zealand. Had there been a similar incident at Stout St, I would have had no knowledge of it. There was no need for me to know, I trust the operational aspect of the Vote to get these things right, and if at a macro there are problems and they are brought to my attention, either by the media or by somebody else, then it may require some intervention. Why was the Minister so deeply immersed in this issue? Well, here's my theory. He wanted to be the big man. He wanted a scalp. He wanted the Francis Review to have impact, and he knew about these cases and that they had been addressed to the satisfaction at least of one party, clearly not another—but there is another story to that that I don't think is appropriate for me to embark upon. But Mr Speaker wanted a scalp. He wanted to demonstrate to this place and to the public that he was serious about bullying. Well he's always been serious about bullying, and he got serious, because there was a rapist and he got rid of him. 