But then there are other bits of money that they've seen rolling out the door: whether it's all the money spent to kill the possums or various rail proposals from our friends over in New Zealand First. They've sort of racked their brains and they think, "Didn't they just spend a whole lot of money opening up that line to Wairoa? Isn't it true that most of the trees that they're hoping to get on the line to Wairoa, actually, are closer to Napier Port than Wairoa?" So they have to sort of get in a truck and go back to Wairoa, and then get off the truck and get on the train, and then take the train to the port. As a result there have been a grand total of six trains so far in the six months. Then they see millions and billions of more money being spent on various lines up in Northland, and there isn't much prospect of any more trains going on those.