Do I expect consultation between the Māori Health Authority and Health NZ to be useful to, I think, improve Māori healthcare? Absolutely. Because when you look at the health outcomes for Māori at the moment—shorter life expectancy, the fact that more Māori struggle to get access to healthcare, and those who do get inferior results as a consequence—that's got to change. And that will change when the brilliant Māori health leaders that I know are right across New Zealand get a chance to exercise some leadership and do great stuff. 