I say that again, because the National Party, quite rightly and properly, opposes this bill at this time. One of the core reasons why it's opposed is that those who advocate from a specialist, practice, and expert position point of view, as advocates representing children in the court—that is, the family law section, which represents some 11,000 practitioners, half of whom have more than 20 years' experience—made a submission to the Justice Committee saying that this bill should be deferred until there has been not just anecdotal evidence provided but thorough research around the "how to", the methodology on the best practice for representing children in the court. That view has been dispensed with, because why? It would seem that the Labour Government knows better than the specialist practitioners who represent children in the Family Court.