In terms of gangs, I don't see gangs; I see whānau, I see communities, I see tamariki, I see mokopuna. I see our people, and it's important that we as Ministers never shy away from those hard conversations, because those conversations must continue if we want to turn around our communities, turn around our people, and get them the support that they need. I'm proud that Minister Davidson has got $12 million in terms of the Budget for that kaupapa under the Māori development umbrella, and I'll continue with that support.