Hon SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel): Thank you, Madam Speaker. On a day when I thought the Minister would come to this House humbly apologising for the way that his Government has treated and thrown under the bus the Public Service and told them that there will be no pay rises for those hard-working civil servants, I'm surprised that he should be here arrogantly professing to understand how business works and how it operates and what motivates and what goes for a high-trust model. What does need to be learnt within the Government, within the Labour Party, and within the trade union movement is what trust means and what a high-trust model could look like, because, on that side of the House, most of them come from a trade union background and they know that in the Finance and Information Workers Union, which the Minister used to be an employee of, they had very little trust, and that was reflected in the way that they engaged with their employers and the way they conducted themselves as union officials. 