It is tough, particularly when you consider what has happened to some of our courts and the way they were squeezed by the National Government. As a Family Court lawyer, I particularly find a sense of irony that we are being asked by Mr Bishop and his party to support the increase in volunteerism by lawyers—which is a fine tradition, all lawyers hold it very close to their heart—by the party who gutted my beloved Family Court. I have just come into this House from conducting a study of lawyers' opinions about the practice of the Family Court. In particular from answering one of the major criticisms of the Family Court lawyer, which was the genesis of the 2014 reforms, it was to stigmatise lawyers as the cause of problems, as instigators of issues. And for that reason, we were removed in the first instance from assisting clients, and legal aid was slashed. That resulted in a massive upswing in the numbers of self-represented litigants, and it represented a massive upswing in the delays before the Family Court because they were denied the reality of legal service, which is that we are overwhelmingly the people who reduce dispute. It is so, in study after study internationally.