I acknowledge there will be conflicting evidence from different countries and even within them, but there is clear evidence that use and harm will increase through pill testing. At the very least, I say it's clear that harm won't reduce and there won't be more people saved—that is, doing less harm. And that's even before we get to the message this bill sends to our young. Use will go up. Personally, I would have thought that's obvious, given that the bill allows you to get an all clear—and the Minister said it himself: tell the parents that it's safe—on your pills. But it's also backed by clear evidence. 