Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I have confidence in that Minister because, across our justice portfolios, we have, for instance, seen an increase in the number of front-line police officers. We have dedicated retail units; organised crime units. Three significant operations leading to multiple—hundreds—of charges, arrests, and confiscation of firearms. I would also challenge some of the member's numbers. Of course, for us, on this side though, the reason we don't get into the numbers debate is because we don't want any victims in this country—even if that member's numbers are wrong.