Hon NANAIA MAHUTA: I think the member might be conflating a number of things, because I'd like to acknowledge the contribution of the governance working group who recently, in their recommendations, identified a number of areas where we can strengthen the governance, representation, and local voice aspects of the Government's reform programme to ensure that there is greater line of sight between the aspirations of community and the ability to invest in waters infrastructure. At the end of their recommendations, they go on to say that the Government will need to test those recommendations in relation to credit rating and the ability to separate balance sheets.