It's easy for the people in this House and in the wider community to say that we should all become organic farmers, and that's the future of New Zealand agriculture. But the reality is somewhat more difficult when you look at the scale you have to do that on for production, and also the risk that is involved in that enterprise compared with traditional farming methods. In saying that, though, we all recognise that New Zealand has to go further up the value chain, and this is part of that process to make sure that we have that support there for people to make those kinds of transitions in their businesses, to actually take advantage of potential opportunity. But that's another risk in that you might not actually get paid that much more, if anything. So it is a difficult area.