Hon ANDREW LITTLE: No, I've taken my call. The member had eight minutes—that member had eight minutes to make his point. I know he's full of excuses; next to his slim grasp on facts are his excuses for what he has and hasn't done. And I know he brings considerable experience to this debate, not only because he voted for this very law change himself in 1993 but because he's been through the criminal justice system, because he has a conviction for contempt of court. So we know all that. So he brings that experienced insight; we know that. But here's the thing here: when he says that National has stood by this principle for many years, it's actually not that many years, because in 1993 they voted for this very thing. They allowed this. If he was so concerned that maybe they shouldn't be taken off the roll, they should be just denied the right to vote. He, by 2010, was a very, very experienced MP, a Minister, and he did not make that change. He did not propose that. They just let it go through because it was expedient, because they thought there were a few points in it, dare I say a few votes in it. That's why they did it.