NICOLA WILLIS (National): The National Party thinks gang members should not have guns. It's a pretty simple position, but it's one that members opposite are finding very troubling and very complex and very difficult. Well, we stand on this side of the House in proud support of Simeon Brown's bill that would prevent the most dangerous gang members in New Zealand from accessing firearms, and that is a really simple position to take, because it's our view that we should prevent gang members from using guns to harm other New Zealanders. But members opposite—they seem to take a different view. 