Now, the Minister didn't agree with a quote I put to him, even though it was from an Australian paper of repute, The Australian, about the debt, and the biggest increase proportionately of debt in the Western World. But what is true, what he can't deny, because it comes from his own documents, is that net core Crown debt is going from 36 percent, 37 percent right now—which, at least in New Zealand terms, in modern terms, is higher than it's been—to over 40 percent next year. He—his Government—is spending over $20 billion more. By the way, if they cancelled the light rail, they wouldn't have to do that. Then, what we also saw, what he would not deny, and I've asked him now a number of times in select committees and other places, is that, in this coming Budget—the biggest spend to date in the Western World after the United States—he will be spending $6 billion in operating allowances, as the boffins call it, or in new spending; more new money than we have ever seen at a Budget in New Zealand's history. That, piled on top of what's been, is excessive and is irresponsible, in the National Party's view.