Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Thanks, Mr Speaker. Again, MSD does have processes in place, and they include people who go into our communities and work with those different groups and whānau to find out what the problems are. The last thing that this Government wants is people on benefits for ever and a day. The Minister and myself have worked with people at the coalface, unlike the Opposition, who wouldn't know some of our people if they fell over them. We've worked at the coalface, and the last thing we want is people on benefits for ever and a day. We want our people to find out what's happening in whānau. We don't want them languishing on benefits, but we want to get them skilled up so that we can have a better New Zealand for everyone.