Hon Dr NICK SMITH: From 2010, 2011, 2012, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17, the number of people on the dole declined, and I'm proud of that National record. Here's the interesting part for the Minister that's interjecting: in the first two years of your Government, even before COVID came, the numbers on the dole increased—13,000 in 2019; 10,000 in 2018. The record is plain. Dole numbers go up under Labour administrations and down under ours, and that is why members on this side of the House say that jobs are at the core of the issues in this appropriation bill and at the core of the issues that will face the country on 19 September. Those New Zealanders who are concerned about jobs will be looking to National in the same way as in previous economic downturns. The hard yards have been left to National to create the jobs and keep Kiwis in work.