MAUREEN PUGH (National): Thank you, Mr Chair. I thank the Minister for raising the issue of the first 1,000 days and referencing the National Party's plan, its policy, on the first 1,000 days. I actually wrote that component of that policy so I firmly stand behind it. But what the first 1,000 days is about is not dedicating full-time at-home care for mums and their babies or dads and their new babies. It's about creating that security with those children, and if you talk or listen to experts like Nathan Wallis, he will tell you that even children in day care can have those bonds if the facility manages the care of those children and rearranges their rosters and the process that they install there. 