Now, we had this discussion at the Education and Workforce Committee where I quite clearly put this to officials and said to them "The two-year time frame is not enough." And the response that was given to me was, "Well, the developers and the ECE centres could always apply for their resource consent and their building consent before they apply for their early childhood first licence." I made the point back to them: "Well, you name me one developer, one early childhood centre that's going to put $100,000 to $150,000 at risk with a building consent or a resource consent before they know that they've got a licence to actually go ahead and operate an early childhood centre.", and they didn't budge on that. So the upshot of that was that I went to the Minister and he graciously, in his office, let me explain this case to him.