So I was confused when, in the previous contributions by the National Party members, Louise Upston pointed out that that was an issue that needed addressing. I commend the member for pointing out that this is, hopefully, an area of work that the Government will commit to later down the track. But then I was puzzled by her colleague Maureen Pugh then saying that perhaps I didn't listen to the submitters hard enough, because this is actually something raised by submitters as an issue that needed more work. At the end of the day, this is not about putting children in unstable homes; this is actually about ensuring that children are able to remain within their communities, that they're able to be connected to their wider whānau, and that we look at ways in which State care is not the first option, rather that it becomes the last resort, when no other options are available for children.