I appreciate what Shanan Halbert said. I consider him to be one of the more thoughtful members of the 2020 intake and I understand his concern. But he interjected on Dr McDowall to say "Freedom of speech means freedom to be transphobic." Well, firstly, the definition of transphobic will be different just about in every single person's mind in this place. Who decides what their definition is and who was going to take offence to it? The answer to that question of who decides is not so much "who decides", but how we decide. We decide by dialogue, a two-way transaction of ideas. And the very place to actually consider that are our universities, amongst our young who go out into the world, having often left home, particularly at Otago, to think, to be provoked, to argue, to learn, not to be safe. I think if anybody goes to university to be safe, they are in the wrong place. 