Now, we've heard from the Opposition that this policy addresses poverty and reduces independence. Let me say very clearly that the evidence does not support that hot take at all. International research has shown that sanctions don't lead to positive long-term results. Close to home, the Australian Journal of Social Issues found work obligations do not support people into paid work. And the Ministry of Social Development's own modelling hasn't shown that the policy supports people into paid work. So even if you do privilege paid work over the more important, I would say, work of parenting, then, actually, the policy is a failure on that ground alone.