Now, the Minister has been very careful to paint this as some picture of "Look at the saviour of the Labour and Green parties. Aren't you so lucky that we're going to iron out any problems here?" That is completely at odds with anybody that's in that sector. Those hill country farmers, when you go to their houses, they are, effectively, crying at the dinner table. Their life work is going out the window. Their kids will not come home and be part of the next generation of farmers that we need as a country. And it is not that these are the hard cases. This is the Department of Conservation that has made it so hard for some of these deals to be done. The reality is that if these deals could be done, they would be done by those farmers. But they found that they have been hamstrung in their negotiations. 