Hon NANAIA MAHUTA: I've released significant information yesterday on the specific benefits to Whangārei and Auckland and all other New Zealand communities for their ratepayers and water users through the reforms. I urge those councils to take the time to digest their information and share it with their residents, ratepayers, and householders. We need to continue to work together on this reform programme to ensure the delivery of these vital infrastructure services have the very best chance of success. Even though the benefits of reform to its residents are very clear, I do acknowledge that Whangārei is one of the very few councils in this country with very little debt. We're working with Local Government New Zealand to address this specific situation and to put together an approach to support councils on these reforms.