Let me give you an example of what I mean. Let's just call them Vivian. They wouldn't want to be named. They're an older couple who were walking out in the eastern beaches of Auckland. Why? Because the hills of Remuera are hard on their knees. They were resting on their own chairs that they had taken, and they were not only harassed by members of the public but also by the police, and they were in tears. They got in touch with me to ask, "How is this possible? Have we not any rights?"