Hon KIERAN McANULTY: On behalf of the Minister, yes, I do agree with the Associate Minister's description of that member as mischief making. That was the context of that comment. What we have is a situation here where a proposal that was made by the working group, which in turn was made up by representatives of local government, made this very recommendation. They are shareholders in these entities. If the National Party wishes to make a policy that shareholders are not owners, I look forward to their further explanation on that.