What is the problem? Well, it's an environmental problem. It's a problem where the Government and the Minister and the Minister before him have articulated that they don't trust the farmers who farm the Crown pastoral land under perpetual leases, whose families have lived on the land for generations, who have given up so much to live in remote rural places that people like myself from Auckland would think, "Crikey, that's cold. How could you live there?" That very, very difficult place to farm. It's inaccessible. Some of these places are only accessible by boat or by air. And yet these families have lived there for generations because they love the land, they love the environment, and they love New Zealand. That's where this Government, this Minister, and the former Minister have got this totally wrong.