It's funny to me to hear the Opposition talk about using Zoom. It's only very recently that we've used Zoom in this House. I recall their former leader insisting on travelling even under level 4 lockdown from Auckland to Wellington to be in the Chamber in person because that was so important, but people like the victims of very sensitive, very personal crime, witnesses giving evidence in those contexts, and jurors who are to come together to make decisions by consensus should be expected to use Zoom. It also speaks to a real lack of understanding of how well resourced people are who are most often coming before our courts—in particular, in the context of serious crime in the jury trial jurisdiction. 