We want to make a very firm statement that conversion practices do not work. They cause harm for people who are going through the process of being who they are, and that is why this piece of legislation is before this House. The kinds of conversion practices that we've seen historically and we've heard from engagement with the community have been at the extreme end, the likes of electroconvulsive therapy. Now they more commonly include the likes of practices claiming to be counselling or talk therapy and some faith-based practices involving prayer, fasting, and exorcism.