Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Whereas in contrast to our investment in rail and in alternative transport options, I notice on that side of the House, in the words, I believe, of Matt Doocey, "We want to make roads great again." I notice as well that the member, when it comes to the challenge of climate change, wants to rely almost solely on the emissions trading scheme (ETS). Now, if he were to do that, that could lead to $1.30 extra on petrol prices and, according to the Climate Change Commission, would mean that one in 10 farms would be converted to pine forests. If that member's sole goal when it comes to all focus on climate change is nothing but letting the ETS do the heavy lifting, I can tell you that he's going to have a hard time with rural New Zealand and every New Zealander who will feel it solely at the pump. 