Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I would actually refer the member to the Minister of Finance's recent reflections around our fiscal strategy, which demonstrate our focus on ensuring that when we are making future investments that require or draw down debt that it is focused, for instance, on those long-term challenges that we have and, for instance, infrastructure as part of that, and ensuring, of course, that our ongoing revenue as a country day to day fuels the spending decisions we make day to day. That is why we have also, alongside our debt ceilings, promoted that we would be working towards surpluses over a period of time of between zero and 2 percent of GDP.