Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I do agree with the Minister of Finance. I also agree with the proposition he's put around, for instance, talking about the longer term, the commitment we are making as part of the fiscal rules to ensure that over a period—a defined period—we are running surpluses but, at the same time, ensuring that when we are taking on debt, it is for investment in infrastructure that New Zealand desperately needs. We have for too long seen a complete deficit approach to investment and much-needed infrastructure like pipes for our water, preparation for houses to be built, hospitals and health services, and schools that we need. We have paid a price for that as a nation. We are still recovering as a Government with investment in those areas. The rules we've set out today return us to surplus but also ensure long-term investment. 