Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Absolutely. The winter energy payment is one of the policies that we get the most feedback on. It's something that makes sure that our most vulnerable—our older New Zealanders—get looked after. Any party, any party, who decided that they were going to take that away would be on the—I think New Zealanders would look very, very darkly upon. I'd also say that New Zealanders would look at that in the context of other policies, such as freezing the minimum wage, such as increasing the pension age—