Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: The Department of Conversation, I'm advised, engaged with Dr Cockrem, as well as a number of other ecologists who presented different views. My understanding is that the advice was that the safest option was to grant the consent to enable the relocation. Further, the ecologists that they turned to said that the penguins, or the kororā, would most likely return back to the environment, albeit in its altered state. So that was the information that they have relied on to grant the consent.