So if we take it back to that principle, if we take it back to what we are actually trying to do with this legislation, and taking on board what the Hon Kris Faafoi has just outlined in terms of, again, comparative examples for our Aotearoa New Zealand demographics and country demographics, and understanding where we can learn on how we can better protect everyone, and also the evidence in what we know around pre-recorded cross-examinations. When walking alongside victims, we know that the anticipation and subjection to cross-examination is, of course, a stressful experience—of course—and that this is almost always conducted during a hearing, even in cases with child victims.