Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, I bring back the member to the raw numbers, and in comparison to our population growth, we have a lower level of people on main benefits now than we did even after the global financial crisis (GFC). And we have record numbers of people going off benefit into work. One of the reasons for that is because as a Government, we supported an increase in case managers at the Ministry of Social Development so that they spent more time supporting people into work. I note that his deputy leader is now criticising that spend.