In the Finance and Expenditure Committee just two days ago we heard from Treasury in its own report, He Puna Hao Pātiki: 2022 Investment Statement, that there is an infrastructure gap. It looked at the Water Industry Commission for Scotland's assessment in terms of the needs for three waters. It talked about the need for up to $185 billion over 30 years due to network growth, increased service levels, the need for asset replacement and refurbishment, and potential efficiency gains. Yes, there is a variance depending on the methodology and assumptions, and I have had arguments with councillors at the Dunedin City Council about that. However, the Treasury report goes on to say that even taking into account the differences in the variances and methodologies, there is an infrastructure gap in New Zealand, and high-profile water network failures provide anecdotal evidence that supports quantitative measures of a gap. All of this points to a likely potential need for additional infrastructure investment to maximise the contribution that infrastructure provides to productivity and wellbeing outcomes.