HARETE HIPANGO (National): Kia ora, Madam Chair and Minister. Look, in taking this call this evening, I'm cognisant of the fact that the Minister does not have experience of practising in the Family Court, and, therefore, the answers are in that context. So I'm going to refer to clause 4 of the bill, Minister, where it talks about inserting section 5(g), which says that "a child must be given reasonable opportunities to participate in any decision affecting them." Minister, I put it to you—mindful that I wasn't on the Justice Committee and I didn't hear submissions, mindful that I have been counsel for children, mindful that children being burdened with the responsibility of making decisions as affect them, subject to their age, is detrimental to their welfare and best interests. So, Minister, could you please answer: why is it that it's considered that a child should be making decisions as affect them when there is proven psychological evidence that that is detrimental to a child for them to be burdened with that responsibility, when it is actually the lawyer's duty of care and role to be the voice, and it is the judge who makes the decision, not a child participating in that decision making? 