SIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): Thank you, Mr Chair. I want to reiterate the question again to the Minister, for him to give some examples to the committee of the premise of the low wages and who he or his officials compared with. It's feeling a bit like a saga now—not the sort of Norse sagas, we're not quite at that level yet; more a Tolkien-esque saga—that he won't actually address that question and the very premise that underpins all parts of the bill.