So coming back to the bill, Madam Speaker, which I can see even with your mask on you are seeking me to do, it's important to know what was happening with the gangs at the same time. Around about 2012 to 2013, the numbers of gangs started to rise, particularly the Mongrel Mob, and the Mongrel Mob were running the prisons. And what the other gangs realised was that they needed numbers, so the numbers of gang members needed to be increased by the other gangs so they could actually hold their own in prison. Across this also we had the 501s, where, despite the fact that we were getting on apparently quite well with the Government at the time, we then started to get planeloads of the worst of our criminals trained in Australia; they came and hit our shores. So we got the planets aligned quite badly for all these things to come together.