If we refer back to that evidence of the harm of long-term dependency on the welfare system, and we look at the almost 10,000 additional people potentially impacted by the harm of long-term dependence on welfare support, we are seeing almost 10,000 people who could be consigned to those negative impacts, but they are not the biggest concern that I have. The biggest concern I have is the number of children attached to each of those numbers that I've quoted. 