Members on the other side seem to, sort of, operate as if nothing's changed and there isn't an issue. I've just been debating with the Minister of Justice, who, in relation to the very significant increase in ram raids and smash-and-grab incidents, suggests that "Well, perhaps it's just because people are reporting them more.", and tries to argue that youth crime has decreased. Well, I'm sure some elements of youth crime may have decreased, but ram raids, for example, have clearly increased on a colossal scale. They're mainly done by young people, and they're mainly done because people in that age group know that there are no consequences for their actions. So it must be, I would have thought, so infuriating for the people who are on the front line, on the receiving end of this violence and harassment by criminals, to be told, "Oh, well, actually, what you are experiencing is part of a reduction in crime and there's nothing to worry about, and maybe it is just because you are reporting things more often." They can see and hear what's going on, just like Aucklanders can see and hear what's going on in their city. They see it, they hear it. They know that there has been well over 35 shootings in our city this year. They know that we've lost control of firearms crime and they want to see a more effective response from the Government. 