I just go back to where I began, which is the value of community safety and a value that I genuinely believe across this House that we share. I am often really disheartened that discussions about justice and crime go into this automatically divisive space. They do not need to be there. You do not need to react. You can apply the principles of justice. You can look at the evidence. You can work through a rational, logical argument in terms of addressing this important issue for New Zealand.