Now, I think Penny Simmonds has made a very good attempt at assessing the potentially harmful effects on a sector that is already on its knees. And it worries me—the Minister hasn't said it, but I think his flippant comments about the seduction of comments by Simon Wallace underscore the animosity that this Government has towards the sector, because some of them happen to be connected to property organisations like Ryman and Summerset and so on. That is not the organisations we're talking about. It is the organisation that Penny Simmonds is talking about: Presbyterian Support services, a religious-based not-for-profit that's already losing a million dollars a year in the Otago and Southland region alone. That deficit could blow out by as much as 50 percent on the passage of this bill, if our maths is right, and I'm very, very happy for our maths to be wrong. In fact, I really hope that it's wrong, but I haven't heard an answer to the question. 