However, section 5 of the bill of rights Act—and my Green Party colleague did acknowledge this as well—sets out the fact that rights and freedoms in the bill are subject to "reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society." A few of my colleagues have spoken to what we should be turning our minds to as we think about what is demonstrably justified. In this case, I do believe that there is a justifiable limitation given the extraordinarily horrific data—the facts, the prevalence—that we're facing in terms of child sexual abuse in New Zealand, but also the lifelong effect it has on these children. We've heard about how it doesn't stop there. It doesn't stop with the conviction; it has ongoing effects for people.