Look, I've been to a number of stations all over the South Island. For example, I went to the Muller Station with some of my colleagues and we saw the work that they've done there since 1965. There's basically not a noxious weed to be seen, they've made sure the deer are under control, and the possums and the rabbits are under control. Then we saw next door Molesworth Station, which is Crown owned—and wilding pines everywhere. It's a very different approach taken by farmers when they have that sense of ownership—which they have; ownership of the improvements on the farm, which last for generations.