So is there less gas being used in New Zealand or less investment being put into gas supply in New Zealand as a result of the well-meaning but disastrous policy decisions that this Government made last term? And how does she equate that or her suggestions of the expensiveness and how harmful thermal coal is for the environment when so very much is being imported? Ministers of energy many years ago that were responsible for this portfolio were very proud of the amount of coal that was dug up in New Zealand. This Minister must be proud of the amount that's been imported on ships that come all the way from Indonesia and are put on probably not rail but on trucks and driven all the way down to Huntly, where they've just had to recommission one of their coal boilers that was decommissioned many years ago. In as far as climate change is concerned, this Minister is a failure, but when it comes to energy, she's one of the best Ministers of energy the coal industry in Indonesia's ever had.