DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Well, I thank the Minister for that very interesting answer, and for people watching this at home, this committee is debating whether or not people should have to look for work after one year after having a child while on a benefit. That was a great example of why people lose faith in politics. A great example of ducking and avoiding the question. We heard from the Minister that there was a working group, and that they did some research, and it didn't come out of thin air—no one was saying that any of this came out of thin air. The question was very simple: will this policy lead to an increase in benefit dependency, and does the Government believe that benefit dependency—other things being equal—is bad for children's welfare and development? Two very simple questions, and we kind of got an answer at the end.