Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: I'm interested that the member raises the example of Prefab in Wellington. And I should note that Jeff Kennedy, the owner, who's made a tremendous contribution to the hospitality scene in Wellington over a long period of time, actually isn't opening because he doesn't think the rules are strict enough. That's actually what he said. I can read it out for the member. He says, "A café is a space where people eat, drink, talk, have meetings, cook, serve, clean, wash, prepare food. It is a perfect storm for spreading aerosols causing infection." It's entirely up to Mr Kennedy if he doesn't want to operate under alert level 2, but the reasons he is giving are not the ones the member is giving.