Now, we like to celebrate our country's diversity, but we still have to work to strengthen New Zealand society. When we talk about people who have suffered, what we fail to acknowledge is that we live in a society that is infused with homophobia. So the need for love and acceptance will push anyone to try and conform to the norm. The Hon Louise Upston, the previous speaker, showed that she didn't read the bill because nothing in this bill shows that talking to your children falls under a definition of conversion practices, and if you want to have it improved, support it to select committee. But not doing so will not give us an opportunity to, for example, hear the survivors' stories, and they will tell us the crucial things that we need to hear.