Then we had the issue around pest control. Again, many of us in this House come from farms, own farms, and know about it. What we're talking about is the legitimate destruction of pests that cause a lot of mayhem in New Zealand: goats, deer, pigs, geese, and paradise ducks are examples of this. There was this view that prevailed in the committee with certain members who thought that that was not a legitimate cause for farmers to be able to look after their land, to make sure that these pests didn't ruin the natural habitat of New Zealand, and yet weren't safe enough to be able to have weapons and to be able to go and shoot these animals when required. So we came up with this long-winded process that you've now got to form a company and it will have to be specially certified by the police and all that sort of stuff, and the intent of it and all that sort of stuff. Of course, there's this overriding impractical, illogical view that you'll just be able to pick up the phone to a company and say, "Come and shoot my pest right now". But there are certain of those animals—birds, for instance, paradise ducks—that you only shoot when they've got young fledglings because at other times you can't get near them. But yet there was this incomprehensible lack of understanding about how you go about doing that. Where was New Zealand First in that argument? Nowhere.