Hon SCOTT SIMPSON: And expensive. But underlying all that there are probably some good intentions. But we will want to, at select committee, hear from submitters who will undoubtedly want to address some of the issues that I've referred to and also some of the issues that Todd McClay referred to. Because the vast majority of people who do trip around the countryside and want to enjoy the beautiful natural landscape and natural wonderment that we have around the country, the vast majority of them do respect and are responsible visitors and tourists, and they do make sure that their waste is properly attended to. Whether that is human waste or whether it is litter or whether it is any other waste, most of them look after things properly. But for the few that don't, there does need to be some kind of regulation, some kind of control. Whether this piece of legislation is the one that is going to be the panacea that is going to fix it all, I don't know. I've got some doubts. 