MARJA LUBECK (Labour): Tēnā koe e Te Māngai o Te Whare. I thought I'd take a little bit of a different angle to this speech. My colleague Jan Logie just spoke about the fact that it was so hard for her as an adult to learn a second language, and I can completely appreciate it. Having grown up in Holland, there's no other way that you could have grown up speaking another language, because if you grow up in a country where English is not the first language, you will automatically pick up another one to be able to cope outside of your country. 