Hon DAVID PARKER (Minister of Revenue): If I may refer to the first two contributions that have been made, the background to this bill, of course, is that the last Government, the National-led Government, realised that there was more flexibility able to be introduced into the child support payment system as a consequence of the upgrade to the computer system, which was started under the last Government and is just about finished now. So they commenced some policy work as to whether the settings were right, and one of the viewpoints that was expressed, and known, I think, to political parties across here, is that the penalty regime has been so harsh that people give up because the penalties become such a substantial part of the debt. Andrew Bayly's reference to that is acknowledged. There is some truth in that—that the penalties regime was so harsh that people gave up, and therefore there were lower rates of compliance, because the penalties were too harsh.