DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): I rise on behalf of the ACT Party in support of this Protection of Journalists' Sources Bill for the first reading. I think that what the member in charge—I think it's Louisa Wall—has brought is an interesting question. If we agree that journalists should have a protection of their sources in order that they can bring to light information that those in power would rather be kept secret, they must sometimes have to be able to defend their sources legally, or protect their sources. If they can't, people may be less willing to give them information, and terrible scandals and abuses of power may go unreported, fester, and gradually corrupt this society. All of that makes perfect sense, that there should be some immunity—or as they call it in the law, "privilege"—for journalists to protect their sources.