CHRIS PENK (National—Kaipara ki Mahurangi): Thank you very much, Mr Chair, and to the Minister for the opportunity to engage. I do want to ask a couple of questions about legal aid. He's no doubt aware from various members of the profession, including to the highest levels, that they're very worried about the legal aid system. I should acknowledge that there are longstanding issues over successive Governments, but I think it's also fair to note that the issues have been getting worse. You know, in the time that I've been the courts spokesperson for the Opposition, and therefore the Minister and his colleagues have been in Government, it has been getting worse generally and then exacerbated by COVID as well and a number of other factors.