So why are we doing these reforms? To provide more nationally consistent qualifications. Dr Reti made the observation in his contribution: why shouldn't NorthTec determine what skills someone working in the forestry sector needs? Well, actually, we want the forestry sector—the forestry industry—to be specifying what the skills are that they want, and we want them to have the reassurance that, regardless of where around the country people are trained with those skills, they're going to be getting a nationally consistent product, because if you're working in forestry in Northland or you're working in forestry in Rotorua or in Gisborne or in Nelson, actually the forestry companies want to know that you've been trained to a high standard that meets their needs. So these reforms are about making sure that the training available throughout the country is consistent. It's not going to result in a reduction in training around the country—in fact, quite the opposite; it's designed to ensure there is more training around the country—but it's actually putting industry and businesses and employers into the driving seat of determining what their skill needs are and making sure that the standards that are set are the ones that meet their needs.