DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): It will be fairly quick. What a sophistry, and it worries me that someone could be the Minister of Health with such a shallow view of public policy. The question is, if the Government is going to—[Interruption] A hell of a cyclist, though. If the Government is going to be responsible for providing a service, then there are legitimate questions that occur equally in private organisations as in public organisations of what the correct economy of scale and structure is. So this is not a market versus Government question; it's a question of getting your organisation done right, regardless of who owns you. Yes, there should be a lot more private provision of healthcare—