Hon JUDITH COLLINS: The same Minister—the same Minister. Too clever—bywords—to have a meeting, too clever to talk to the industry, and too clever to consult with the actual stakeholders, who, by the way, we're very lucky to have. They're able to still export, despite the fact that they couldn't get enough workers in to actually pick the fruit in the first place, and they're now paying a penalty for that because fruit was picked too late. Those same people, who he doesn't have time to meet with—maybe they should have talked about a biking trip or something, and he could have been there and met you on the biking track. 