The member is correct that once the pay equity agreements are finalised and concluded and implemented, there will be a gap, a reasonably significant gap, in pay rates between those in the DHB sector—or the public hospital sector, as we will call it—and the funded sector: aged residential care, primary care, and others. There are negotiations at the moment with the employers in the primary and community care sector and they will start to address those issues, but the reality is that there is difficulty in our collective agreement negotiations framework in the health sector—particularly for the funded sector—where the employer and the employee parties meet, but the funder isn't there. We actually need to find a model where we can bring all relevant parties together to talk together about some of these big issues, and I'm doing some work at the moment with the ministry and others to work out a model that we can have to do that. 