Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: To be frank, one of the things that I have been concerned about from the beginning is the level of misinformation at the ports and the potential for a vaccine requirement to stoke that concern and the conspiracy theories around that. And also I've been concerned about the potential economic impacts of introducing this requirement too soon, because the last thing I think any New Zealander wants to see is some of our ports unable to operate because there's insufficient numbers of vaccinated workers. To put that into context, some of our ports employ very few people in some of those specialist roles. It would only take one or two of those specialist people, like ship pilots, to say that they're not willing to be vaccinated and that port would have to close.