Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: —I think you'll find it's "kimono" in the words of Tom Sainsbury and Paula Bennett. Time and time again, we see from Mr Muller a change in position. He has, as someone said, got the consistency of a bored cat—when the border is closed, he wants it open; when the border is open, he wants it closed. Time and time again, we see the flip-flop, the inconsistency, and the different positions. The favourite word of Mr Muller is "shambles". Well, there's only one shambles here; it's over there: 55:34. And the leaker—because I don't think when Paula Bennett scrolled through her phone she actually did push the Tova button; I think that's somebody else—I think that's somebody else. It could be Pulitzer Prize winning author Christopher Penk—that's who it could be. Or—you've got to be careful of the quiet ones as well—Jian Yang. Very quiet, no interview—you've got to be careful of the quiet ones as well. 