One of the difficulties of it is often the temporary situation, because, as Simon Court pointed out, we have a situation where often it is those families that are breaking down because of the distress they face. Often it will be something like a disability or it will be mental breakdown, etc. I've had that in my own family when I had, one evening just before Christmas, the arrival of my brother's wife's grandchild. He came out with them from England. I had this little boy whose mother had basically broken down in my house, and what actually gave him stability was the love and support of his uncle—my brother—and his wife, who had been there all the way through. I can see that my sister-in-law, who was much older and so was the grandmother, was at a point in her life where it wasn't necessarily possible for her to provide that kind of financial support. And I am very glad that in New Zealand we are now doing that for grandparents—not dependent on circumstances in that way, that we have made this equal and that we have recognised that at that time it might well be something where we need to provide a lot more support and security. 