Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: The member can't tell me that she would be there—March 2020—knowing exactly where interest rates were going to be in two years' time. It's actually not possible, and the argument that the member would have to have undertaken is that she could have said, "You know what, I can cope with interest rates rising, but I think economic activity might come down by this much. I think I'll let unemployment go up."—because that would be the member's other response here, presumably, is that she wouldn't have worried about where unemployment had got to.