Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: Absolutely. What goes around comes around and I'd rather keep it on the straight. But I think it's important not to throw out accusations around this place—that people on this side don't understand farming and people on that side do. There's a lot that we have to learn. When it comes to the question, from the member over there, about who knows best, it's a partnership arrangement between Land Information New Zealand, who have a lot of very knowledgeable and passionate people, about managing—as guardians and custodians, and owner of the lands—the rights of New Zealanders to ensure that those rights are enduring and that we don't cause unnecessary damage. The people on the land do know a lot—absolutely. 