Hon JAMES SHAW: He started his speech over there by saying that the Government had met with gang members in the Beehive! Well, how about that? There's actually photographic evidence of the John Key - led National Government, led by John Key, of the Prime Minister—who was John Key at the time—meeting with gang members in his office, which was owned by John Key at the time! There are also photographs of Rob Muldoon—who was not John Key but was also a National Party Prime Minister—also meeting with gang members in his office on the ninth floor of the Beehive at the time. It turns out that these two former National Party Prime Ministers met with gang members in the Beehive! And you know why? It's because they had the wisdom and the experience to know that if you wanted to solve a social problem you actually needed to engage with people who are involved in that problem. That's why they invited them into the Beehive, and that has been a tradition that has crossed across this Parliament, no matter who has been the Prime Minister, no matter which party has been in Government. People have had the wisdom and the experience—unlike that member—to know that if you wanted to solve the problem, you needed to engage with the people who are involved in that problem.