Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Well, actually, when we compare ourselves to Australia, the Australian data officials note the global phenomenon and say that their "trimmed measure" does not actually align with that. On this side of the House, we understand that some New Zealanders have been doing it tough. We have supported them through that. But what we will not do is underfund the core services that New Zealanders need. And if the member wants to tell us what things he will cut out of education, out of health, out of housing, go ahead, because that's been the problem that New Zealanders dealt with for decades.