Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Deputy Prime Minister): It's a great pity that Mr Goldsmith didn't share with us his extensive business experience. Mr Goldsmith said that his plan with the National Party is to pay down our debt against GDP to 30 percent over 10 years. You know what that means? $82 billion of cuts. What a nightmare. On the weekend, when an economist was asked—namely, Shamubeel—what he thought, he looked incredulous at the television screen and he said something like, "It's nuts—it's madness." But there you go—that's the National Party's plan.