Dr JAMES McDOWALL (ACT): Thank you, Madam Speaker. In 2017, the Labour Party campaigned to reduce net immigration to 30,000 annually—an extremely ignorant policy, but I'll get to that later. However, in the year to March 2020—before COVID-19 took hold, and that's quite important—the net arrival figure was over 90,000. Sometimes policy failure isn't such a bad thing after all! However, COVID-19 actually did what the Labour and New Zealand First Government promised, and much more. So we unintentionally got to see what these sorts of policies would do in the real world.