Hon JAN TINETTI (Minister of Internal Affairs): I think that's a really good question, and I want to go back to that term "objectionable", which is defined in the principal Act as it stands now. We are talking about some of the most abhorrent media that any of us probably couldn't imagine. People will know that they are live streaming objectionable content because we are talking about abhorrent. I don't want to be too definitive in my example here, but to give a broad definition of what that might look like, we are talking about terrorist material or we're talking about child sexual exploitation. So for example, a young child might be being abused in a pretty abhorrent way, and someone else might be standing there live streaming them. Currently, that person live streaming would not be committing an offence of live streaming. They know that that is objectionable. That's the level that we are talking about.