Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): The member's blind faith in the market and in competition delivering better outcomes is somewhat misguided, given the concerns that she's raising about the quality of current early childhood education services where there is, effectively, a free market operating at the moment. In fact, international evidence suggests that in education settings, particularly in schooling in early childhood education, competition and a free market do not lead to better outcomes for children, and it does not lead to higher quality services. The network planning provisions are nothing to fear in that regard. They're making sure that Government subsidies are going into high quality services. In fact, one of the problems that we've got with the current market model for early childhood education services is that low quality services are able to replicate without any consequence. So even if somebody is operating a poor quality service that's on a provisional licence, they can go and establish other services elsewhere with very little consequence. That is one of the problems that we have with the sector at the moment. So the network planning provisions will help us to prevent that from happening and I think that that will be a very good thing.