Not only that, we've seen Russian forces using cluster munitions. These weapons open in mid-air, firing and dispersing dozens or even hundreds of smaller sub-munitions and bombs. They're inherently an indiscriminate weapon, and they're banned by 110 countries, including New Zealand. The Russians are using rockets, and mortar, and other explosive weapons in highly populated urban areas. We know that 90 percent of the casualties in this kind of warfare are civilians. 