Then we hear about the public interest. Well, there is a public interest in how land is managed effectively, but the public doesn't own this land; the Crown does, and the Crown has an obligation to the leaseholders it is in a contract with to actually respect the conditions of the lease and to make sure that where the leaseholders have an obligation to the Crown, they meet it. But the leaseholders can't possibly have an obligation to the public. This is a fiction created by this Government, created by the Minister and the former Minister responsible for introducing this bill to the House. There is no public interest in how these lands are managed. In fact, the interest is that the pastoral lessees—the farmers—obtain an economic return and that they can make sufficient profit—sufficient profit; it's a remarkable concept to the current Government and to the Labour Party and the Green Party—to pay for those things like pest control and weed control and fencing and enhancing the natural environment. 