But in amongst all of those diary appointments was a plethora of meetings of what's called CMSSER, or at least it was then: the Committee of Ministers for State Sector Employment Relations. I don't know if there's an equivalent committee. But the membership included and was chaired by the Hon Paula Bennett, our Minister of State Services. It had the weather eye of the Minister of Finance, the Hon Bill English; Dr Jonathan Coleman; myself; and one or two others.