Hon JAMES SHAW (Minister for Climate Change): I'd just like to start by saying that the member has actually got quite a good handle on it, given the complexity of it and the time that she's had available. There are a number of questions in there. I can give a partial answer on the locations of forestry jobs. I've got them for forestry, but I don't have them for the red meat sector, so it's not easy to compare. The 35,000 people employed in the forestry and wood-processing sector: there's 7,500 in tree planting, harvesting, and forest management; 2,500 in log transport and at ports; and 25,000 in wood-processing. So those wood-processing facilities, obviously, are located in rural towns around New Zealand. I've got 66,400 people working in the red meat sector, and, obviously, some of those would be on farm in the same way that, you know, some of the forestry sectors are out on the land, but also a lot of them would be in processing also in rural communities and small towns. But I don't have the distribution within that 66,000, so I'm sorry about that.