Hon GERRY BROWNLEE: So here's the problem, everyone will be trying to make the case on the other side of the House that this is a good thing for New Zealanders who have jobs, who earn, but are still in receipt of family support. No one is going to deny that they need it. No one's going to say, "Look, we're not going to have that." And no one wants to see the gap between someone who is living on a benefit and someone who is living in work so closed up that there is no incentive to go into work. So that's a pretty easy principle to support.