DAVID SEYMOUR: We're hearing from the Minister of Education, Chris Hipkins of Remutaka, that it's somehow relevant that ACT wants to abolish the Resource Management Act. And he's correct: ACT would like to replace the Resource Management Act with much better legislation. But that's not the point I'm making, and if Chris Hipkins from Remutaka would listen a bit more and talk a bit less, he might get an education in spite of himself.