Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: You're quite right, Mr Speaker. The point I was trying to make before I was rudely interrupted by "Mr KiwiBuild" was that we are all focused on increasing incomes. But if you want to increase sustainable incomes in this country, you have to have a stronger economy, and, if you want to have higher incomes for New Zealanders, we need to be more productive and generating stronger things. So you can force employers to pay people more, as this Government has done with very, very rapid increases to the minimum wages and changes to entitlements—you can force employers to do that, but you can't force an employer to stay in business if their business is no longer profitable. You can't force an individual to say "I'm going to put my money at risk in a business and keep employing people." if they're not able to make it happen.