Hon NANAIA MAHUTA: There were two spokes to that question and to some extent, if I go to the first part regarding co-governance, I just want to paraphrase the view of the chair of the governance working group, which is that there is some misinformation out there in relation to the issue of co-governance. That is not, in fact, a feature of the three waters model that I have been promoting and, in fact, the whole idea of ensuring that mana whenua participation alongside council at the representative level will deliver total sum benefits for communities big and small, and certainly to ratepayers.