Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Oh, here we go. Here we have another argument from the great legal scholar Mr Little, which is to say, "We haven't got nirvana in this country. Therefore, the three-strikes legislation hasn't worked. Therefore, we should throw it out." Well, I suppose that if we follow that logic, we might as well just throw out the prisons entirely. It's clearly not working. Let's give it up, and we won't try any more because it doesn't work. Well, what a nonsense kind of argument it is that we're seeing from the Minister there. 