Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister): Yes, and within the context of that interview, where my recollection is the claim was being made "Why have we used a lockdown in this situation rather than alternative measures?". But I'd more generally say lockdown has been used the world over and, in fact, less in New Zealand than in many other countries, and has helped us achieve the lowest case rates, death rates, and hospitalisations that we've seen in the OECD. But now we have vaccines that are safe and effective and that can help us change the way we have used public health restrictions, and we need to use that tool now we have it. 