SIMON O'CONNOR: And I hear someone say, "Oh, well, they could just do it on Zoom.", but, of course, if you understand incorporated societies, which fortunately this side of the House does, it has to be in the rules. And often you have to have quorum. So the Minister's right, if they've thought ahead and they've changed their rules to allow a Zoom AGM, but most of them haven't been able to do that because they haven't been able to form together in person to change the rules to make the requisite changes. However, this is a bill which National supports because, fundamentally, it's bringing about the changes which are needed. And if I could riff, if you will, off that previous comment about, particularly in Auckland, AGMs that cannot happen, we are seeing now incorporated societies trying to update their rules to reflect a modern environment. And so it's not a surprise, therefore, that the Parliament is looking to revise and update its rules.