KAREN CHHOUR (ACT): My question is also around the numbers on jobseeker. We're seeing that we have 70,000 extra people on jobseeker compared to when Labour came into power. Spending on jobseeker has increased by $1.5 billion annually since 2017. I'm just trying to wrap my head around if we've got an extra 70,000 people on the benefit, and unemployment is falling by about 1.5 percent over that time—I'm just trying to work out how that's possible where we're spending an extra $1.5 billion a year annually and our unemployment's dropping.