Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Of course not. We want to work with these families, and we are working at the coalface, and I want just to reiterate what I was saying earlier: there is a lot of working going on at the community level, and we're working in tandem with community providers right now. That's why I was going on about the beneficiaries. Some of us work at ground level with them, understand the pressures, and the other side of it is that we're able to move them on into areas and into opportunities they've never had before. This Government has provided more opportunities than most Governments—in fact, all Governments—when you look at the types of programmes we've initiated: Mana in Mahi, He Poutama Rangatahi, Māori trade training, and record apprenticeships. There are opportunities there for many of our beneficiaries, and I have seen the encouragement that our providers are doing, and we as Government MPs are also trying to give them some sort of support and plan going forward rather than just staying on the benefit.