Hon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister of Employment): Yes, we do have a very sensible and serious Government. That was a sad speech from the member there, who is clearly out of touch. A good man, might I add—a good man—but, sadly, out of touch with his members up there in Taranaki, who want something new, who want something innovative, who don't want to keep going down the same track. Jonathan Young: out of touch with his people up there. I always thought the young whānau were lefties; they were lefties and then they went the wrong way—the right way—and now we have that sort of terrible speech today. A shocking performance there from the member—a shocking exhibition there.