Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Minister of Foreign Affairs): Well, Madam Chair, you're right, except that we work so closely together, because it's a paradox in this country—a lot of people don't support the Defence Force until there's a humanitarian crisis. They wonder how it is when you have this disaster in Tonga—we're over there first. You have a disaster in Vanuatu—we're there first. All around the Pacific when you have a disaster, our military are there first. Well, they support that, and the answer is, well, you've got to support them in other circumstances as well. We have a massive flood down the West Coast—who's down there? Our armed forces, for goodness sake. I want to say, yes, I did have some say in Ron Mark being the Minister.