Hon TODD McCLAY: Speaking to the point of order, Madam Speaker. The thing about debate is one gets to rebut, and members opposite, in every single speech—there hasn't been a full 10 minutes; it's been a very short period of time—have made the case of how this is assisting and it is helping consumers. I merely, in drawing on the saving that they're speaking to in this bill—the additional costs that actually aren't helping consumers—am making the case that consumers are not better off. I'm actually only three minutes into my speech, which is much longer than most of the Government's speeches.