Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Of course, if you want to compare apples and apples, then you always look at the rate of people on a main benefit as a proportion of population, and, in that regard, where we are is comparable to the time when the National Government was in office in the global financial crisis. And many would argue the shock of COVID has been far greater than it was at that time. We are also seeing record departures from our main benefits as well, and that is because, unlike the National Party when they were in office, we have taken an active case-management approach to support people into work. We have Mana in Mahi, we have the Apprenticeship Boost, we have He Poutama Rangatahi—all programmes to support those who may be on Government support, particularly our young people, into work.