KAREN CHHOUR (ACT): Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to this issue. During the select committee process, it was very clear how distraught some of the submitters were in regards to the independence of the monitor and having trust in the monitor that it did have independence. Now, I'd just like to speak to a report that was sent to the Minister on 16 April 2022, and this is a report I got from an Official Information Act request. The purpose of the report was to provide advice on specific independent provisions for the Oversight of Oranga Tamariki System and Children and Young People's Commission Bill and it set out four different options on how you were going to look at putting independence into this bill. I have a few questions around some of the things written in this report, and one of them was—it states "MSD had initially explored a more explicit independence provision when drafting the bill similar to the independence provided to the Chief Archivist under the Public Records Act 2005, as there was a clear recognition that the monitor needs to be perceived to be independent in order for public support in trust and transparency. However, the Public Service Commission was not supportive of including this explicit legislative independence provision of this nature."