But, ultimately, what we want, going through the issues in this bill, are competent people who know what they're about, who have empathy, and who understand the issues at play. Whether it's me with my health ailments, where I don't need a Māori doctor to deal with those but I just want a competent one, or whether it's this select committee, where we don't need only Peeni Henare, Tāmati Coffey, and one or two others of Māori whakapapa, what we actually want is people with empathy and competence to deal with the issues. 