GREG O'CONNOR (Labour—Ōhāriu): Just for anyone listening at home to the debate this afternoon that sort of might be tempted to believe some of the things they're hearing, our prisons are full of gang members and gang associates and more are going in there every day. Now, I'm not going to stand here and rubbish—contradict—what's been said by the Opposition, because that's the problem with both firearms and gangs. They make very good, sexy speeches in the House, on both sides and for all hues of Government, but, unfortunately, if we believe that what we're going to do here is all of a sudden have some mystical ability to diminish the power and influence of gangs, then we are wrong. What we will do, we will take a coordinated approach, a joined-up approach, a strategic approach which will ensure that we start at the recruiting level and we finish at the top level where people, relatively few people, are making a lot of money. 