There's also been the suggestion from the Minister in the chair, the Hon Andrew Little, that there are people who disagree here in principle and therefore are blocking the bill—well, of course that's what's happening. I do disagree with abortion in principle, and therefore I will oppose this bill. I mean, heavens, if we were going to apply this to other topics, would we have said this to William Wilberforce when he was opposing slavery and changes? "Oh no, no, Mr Wilberforce, you can't oppose this bill on slavery, because the Parliament already decided it's OK." You know, train drivers in the 1930s and 1940s taking whole groups of people to terrible places—"Well, I'm sorry, you can't disagree; we've already passed some laws saying that taking people to a concentration camp is OK." I mean, it's an absolutely absurd argument. So no offence to the Minister—I have respect for him—but if people are going to try and bring rational arguments here that take me for more than a J-1 level of understanding, then bring it.