That aside, however, we had the Minister of Finance in front of the Finance and Expenditure Committee a few weeks ago, and there I got the Minister, on the record, to effectively admit or submit that that debt track is something that the Minister himself and the Government have confined themselves to. These are decisions, fiscal policy decisions, that the Government gets to make, and there I think it's really important to reflect—as actually is made really explicit in the Wellbeing Budget 2021: Securing Our Recovery document at figure 14, which demonstrates it really clearly—that the interest payments on the debt that the Government is taking on are actually less than inflation, which means that now is the perfect time to be borrowing to invest in that infrastructure for future generations. 