Right, first up: members were very eager to hear about law enforcement and what work was being done particularly in that space. And it was very interesting to hear from Secretary of Justice Andrew Kibblewhite that incarceration on its own mainly just leads to further incarceration. The Secretary for Justice stated quite clearly that he believes that better outcomes could be achieved within our justice system in the long run by shifting the system's emphasis towards lowering crime, noting that was addressing the causes of that crime, and, in particular, having greater services in the space of mental health support, drug, and addictions treatment that run right across the board. Those approaches, those rehabilitative training and drug and alcohol treatment programmes, are those that address those underlying causes of crime and, in the end, drive down our incarceration rates in New Zealand.