Hon Dr NICK SMITH: He doesn't want to answer the question. It is legislative uncertainty of the sort that is proposed in this bill that is actually going to undermine investment in the sort of innovation that's so critical in an area like plant variety rights. The truth is that National has no difficulty with a Māori advisory committee that is able to provide advice. But the decisions about which plant varieties are registered, and the property rights that are respected, should treat all New Zealanders equally, and those decisions should be made by the Government. Of course, Māori should have an opportunity to have a say, but there is an enormous difference between having a say and having a veto, and when I give an example like the use of native algae for the purposes of an issue like greenhouse gas emissions, actually, it's in the interests of not just our economy but of our environment and of science that we're able to create greater certainty. 