So I do take the point that the member is making that clearly, when we have to respond to a crisis in the way that we do, there is going to be pressure on the Government's books. The balance sheet is strong enough to manage this. Let's be really clear: New Zealand's level of debt is significantly lower than most other countries in the world. The debt servicing costs, which I've already run through twice in the House during this session, are historically very, very low.