Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): In the interest of time, I will keep this brief. In terms of the first point that the member raised around the decision by the Guardians of New Zealand Superannuation to make any divestment and, in particular, the question of the divestment from the Israeli banks, that is their decision. It is an independent, operational decision; it is not my place to have an opinion about that, in my role as the Minister of Finance. In fact, that member would be the first person who would be on his feet criticising the Government if the Government interfered in an investment decision of the super fund. I could actually see David Seymour. I can picture him getting up and saying to me, "There he is, interfering in an operational decision! What does that member know about investments that the New Zealand super fund should make?" So that member might just like to reflect on that.