Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): Mr Speaker, the fundamental question, listening to the debate across the House, that is before us now is whether we need a COVID-19 alert level 2. Because, listening to the members opposite, we should simply declare victory now and say that it's all over and that everything should go back to the way that it was before. I remind members opposite that we had fewer cases than we do now when they started to call for New Zealand to go into lockdown. And, at the time, Simon Bridges stood in this House and said better to be cautious; better to be criticised afterwards for being too cautious and moving too quickly than have a massive outbreak in New Zealand and then regret not having taken further action. And yet, that is where we're at now. So we've got more cases now than we did when they were calling for us to go into lockdown.