Hon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister for Māori Development): What a sad, sad contribution from that member, Matt Doocey, given the democracy that they talk about. The previous Prime Minister John Key would have supported this. Actually, no, no. After John Key was Bill English—he would have supported this. Chris Finlayson would have supported this. But sadly we've got this new National Party, who all of a sudden have forgotten their history, their background, and now are putting up idiotic questions about why would the Māoris who go to the council want to speak? Why do they want to speak? They could just sit there and observe things. Brilliant question! Wonderful question! Because Māori deserve an opportunity—