Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: The member knows that the household labour force survey is a survey. But what the member also knows is that since mid-January 2021 this year, we've actually seen a reduction of around 30,000 people on benefit—down from 390,000 to 360,000. I think that is very clear evidence that despite the pandemic and despite the very dim forecasts that we had in front of us, we are doing pretty well.