I think the first question from the Cancer Control Agency and from Pharmac is a discussion arising out of processes and decision making from Pharmac. In particular, I'm seeking a response to the challenge that I'm putting to the Minister in those Pharmac decision-making processes to not remove the Pharmac exemption for children receiving cancer medicines in DHBs. It seems to me that it would be cynical to remove an exemption for children with cancer to simply harmonise policy. Why would we want to double down to the lowest common denominator and remove Pharmac medicines from children with cancer when, in fact, maybe we should double up and explore maybe increasing that scope for children who don't have cancer? So I challenge the Minister to maybe address that and give some thinking as to how he might show some leniency towards that position.