And again, my colleague Rino Tirikatene, I'd like to quote him again: "This arrangement of Ngāi Tahu councillors was first put in place by the National Government in 2010, when it installed commissioners on the council." And don't we all remember that? What we do know since the 2010 arrangement was, and we've heard several people mention this—not just today, but certainly, as I understand, through the submission process—was that a significant amount of details were provided about everything that was achieved during that time, with a proper mana whenua voice being involved in ECan's decision making, and from which the region has benefited. Again, members opposite, happy to take the benefit, not so happy to contribute to ensuring that that benefit exists. It also benefits ratepayers, hence their wish for this body to continue.