Also, it's somewhat galling that the members in this House and Government fail to deliberately listen to the views of the experts in this field. The submissions that were made by the New Zealand Law Society family law section, representing 1,100 family law specialists—half of whom have 20 years' experience in this field; I happen to be one of those—and referencing to my former colleagues the fact that this Government and, regrettably, the Justice Committee declined to listen to the relevance of their views and the application of what we know best in terms of advocating and representing the welfare and the best interests of the children. Apparently, this Government seems to know better.