Then we have manslaughter: culpable homicide not amounting to murder, where there is no intent to cause death. Currently, in our courts, a judge has the discretion to impose any penalty for manslaughter up to and including life imprisonment. Conventions can incur starting points of five to six years' imprisonment. The starting point may consider the extent of violence involved, usually forceful violence with intent to cause serious injury, or incur a higher starting point, for example.