But in meeting Laura, she profusely explained the need for Matariki to me. I'm used to working with both hostile and gentle constituents, so I let her go and listened. She didn't know that she did not need to preach to me at all because it reminded me of two years prior when we had already been talking as a Labour Māori caucus about this. For me, personally, when I was on the Wellington City Council, former Mayor Justin Lester had come to me saying, "Hey, what do you reckon we look at activating Matariki in a way that's never been done?", and I thought, "Explain?" He said, "How about we pull the fireworks from Guy Fawkes night to Matariki?", and I thought, he's a Pākehā mid-30s male who's come to me in a vulnerable manner, I would say, but also courageous and bold, in terms of saying, "What do you think? Should we do it? Should we send the first signal up to say, 'If we do it, maybe this would be the start for Government to consider making Matariki a public holiday.'?" 