So we came on to this Māori Affairs Committee and we looked across the other side and we saw Richard Prebble and Murray McCully. And these guys are the Ministers of everything, as you well know. We saw John Luxton, we saw Doug Kidd, and we saw Georgina te Heuheu. And JT and I thought we were going to have a ball, you know, smashing into the Opposition. The problem is, we started agreeing with a lot of their kōrero. In fact, Prebbs was making a lot of sense in those days, and it really got our Prime Minister, Helen Clark, very worried about the Māori Affairs Committee at the time, because every time we'd sit down we'd be going, you know, here we went in wanting to deal to the Prebbles of this world and the McCullys of this world, they made so much sense we started putting inquiries in to every Government agency going. And it wasn't a good look for the Labour-Alliance Government at the time, but it was an example of the whanaungatanga that Harete Hipango talked about. Here we were sitting down, but we could actually respect and embrace the knowledge. And even though we had different politics, there was experience there from these guys. So, sadly, we put in, too, an inquiry into my own agency, Te Puni Kōkiri, the Crown Forestry Rental Trust, fisheries commission, education board—I mean, it just went on and on and on. Doug Kidd and then John Luxton were so clear with their kōrero. So it was a fascinating time for me, as sort of my politics changed—they didn't change completely, but I also realised that you could all work together in that sort of whanaungatanga-type space.