DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): I'd make one brief comment: the Minister has attempted to interpret my comments as denigrating the reputation of the New Zealand Defence Force; I think it is fair to say that that reputation is legendary. Kiwi soldiers in a range of theatres have been recognised as more trusted and humane than from other countries on many occasions. It is not my intention to in any way denigrate them. My point was that the abandonment and plight of those who helped the New Zealand Defence Force in this case won't have helped that reputation. 