What we have seen, as was pointed out by the chair of the Social Services and Community Committee earlier, was not the dire forecast numbers that had been anticipated at the beginning of COVID, and I do put that down to overall good general management of our economy during this pandemic. Also, when we were first hit with the pandemic, we were very clear that it would not only be social supports that needed to be invested in and put into place but also support for New Zealanders who may find themselves out of work because of the pandemic. 