ERICA STANFORD (National—East Coast Bays): Thank you, Madam Chair. Just starting up where the last speaker, Jo Luxton, finished off, the advice that the Education and Workforce Committee was provided right back at the start made it clear that there were potential problems around employers discriminating against potential employees who have childcare responsibilities that could result in greater use of sick leave. This isn't something that we made up; this was advice that was given to the committee at the beginning, and something that we wanted to flesh out, and something that I don't think, during the course of this bill so far, has actually been properly discussed, because all we get from the other side—and maybe again today—is, "Oh, well, how could this possibly be a problem? I can't fathom it." Well, it's actually in the advice that we got, and so we take that very seriously and we're entitled to ask the questions: has that been considered, what evidence is there to suggest that it won't happen, and what considerations has the Minister taken into account? So that was why we're going there. It's not something we made up just to antagonise members opposite. It's something that was in here and that we do take seriously.