Number two: Stuart Nash, the Minister in charge, said he thinks that Deborah Russell did a great job of chairing this legislation through the Finance and Expenditure Committee. Well, I am a member of the Finance and Expenditure Committee, and let me put it on record in the Hansard that the way members of the public were treated—argued with, abused, harangued—by somebody in a very senior position, a highly paid chair of a select committee in Parliament whose job is to facilitate the public giving information to elected officials, was nothing short of disgraceful. We got so much feedback and we heard so much about that, and I personally, on a number of occasions, had to intervene—