What we did hear was, OK, the 1.9 percent is actually 3 percent. I didn't use Mr Wallace's claim of 9.4 percent. I merely mentioned it, but then in my own calculations used Consumers Price Index (CPI). And actually that's a very conservative estimate, as I mentioned, because health cost in inflation always runs higher than CPI. It is almost gravitational certainty that that is the case. And I'm sure Simon Watts, as a former chief financial officer in the DHB, went greyer because of the stress of trying to make the books balance of the Waitematā District Health Board, a heroic effort and very successful when compared with other DHBs. So it is wrong to suggest that these are (a) questions not related to the bill or (b) somehow based on some seductive numbers that Mr Wallace has come up with. He represents a group of organisations that are caring for our most vulnerable, that are on their knees, and that want to know whether or not this bill when passed is going to put them flat on their backs.