It was really interesting in the committee stage to find out how many people are affected by this change and what sort of income changes they get if they actually go from being on a benefit to working. Because unlike the Green Party, the ACT Party believes in human action. We believe people actually make choices, that their actions can make a difference in life, and that they respond to the incentives they face, including those created by Government policy. We actually see each person as a thinking and valuing individual with agency, not just fodder for the great social engineers, the philosopher kings of society. We analyse, "Well, how many people are affected?" Well, about 4,800 people, the Minister told us, would be affected by this change. That's the number of people whose after-tax income is between about $30,500 and about $31,096. Those are the people who are affected by this legislation, because the amount that their income gets topped up to, if they work 20 or 30 hours a week—and the 20 or 30 depends on whether they are single or have a family—the people that work the necessary number of 20 or 30 hours, depending on their family status, they will get topped up to the new level of $31,096. There's 4,800 people who are between the old threshold and the new threshold who are going to be affected. That's what we learnt. 