The Prime Minister said she's proud of housing. I'd like to put to her—rhetorically, of course; it's always good to meet rhetoric with rhetoric—that if she's proud of housing, is she proud that under her watch, almost 15,000 Kiwi families are waiting for a State house? I want to repeat that: 15,000. That's almost triple—almost triple—what it was when National left office. I myself have not stepped back from saying that 5,000 and a bit under National was not good enough. We were working hard to fix that. It was still too high—you never want it that high. But it's been remarkable that a Government—a now Government that used to wax lyrical of a housing crisis at 5,000—are now silent—