GREG O'CONNOR: There are other things we can do—and I hear a squeaky little voice over there saying, "Put them in jail." Actually, the problem is, if you go to Southern California, the prisons are run—in most places in the world, prisons are run by gangs. The way you actually do it is to get the assets off them, and very good this week to see the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Amendment Bill is being proceeded. Police have been actually quite successful in New Zealand at taking away the finance from gangs. In fact, the only way you do stop a gang is by taking their money away. In my time, there have been two gangs which have basically been destroyed. Both those gangs—one in the South Waikato; another one in Nelson—they were actually destroyed by other gangs, because they took away all their assets, for reasons that they'd been infiltrated by police. So you can actually destroy a gang if you take away their assets, there's proof of it.