IAN McKELVIE: I think so, Barbara! I think so. We got ripped off by the Taranaki. At the time it was quite a bitter debate, actually, and in fact this whole debate leading up to the formation of DIRA in 2001 was quite a bitter debate, in many ways—not bitter, I wouldn't say, in that form, but there were certainly some dominant characters who led those debates in those days. It does create some interesting issues. 