There are members in the House who sat on the select committee, and the process was that this amendment bill was referred to the committee on 6 April 2021. The Minister, the Hon Carmel Sepuloni, was invited to give an initial briefing, which she did on 2 June 2021. The closing date for submissions was 19 May. Thirty-one submissions were made and oral evidence heard from 11 submitters. And here I am standing before the House, just reflecting on the kōrero that I had with one of our old people, our kuia, and we were reflecting on the advice and kōrero and the mātauranga, the knowledge base of our old people. Our old people were not welfare dependent, were not locked in to the mentality that in order to get by, we needed the State to provide and support.