HAMISH WALKER (National—Clutha-Southland): Thank you, Mr Chair. I just want to make the point from a previous speaker Dr Nick Smith, a very hard-working and logical MP from Nelson—who's going to take the seat this year with a record-winning majority—new section 86A. And we heard from the Minister. The Minister said he lives in the real world—"You've got to have the door open. You've got to have your mind open." But, Minister, the real world Kiwis—do you think a Kiwi wants a convicted person, a prisoner, do you think they want a person that's committed a serious act—take, for example, the lovely lady, I won't mention her name, but she came and saw me in my electorate office two weeks ago. She was raped. They found the person that raped her. He was sentenced; 18 months' jail time. But she described to me the horrible, horrific act that this person did to her. Minister, if we talk about the real world, this shows how out of touch this Government is when it's more focused on giving prisoners the right to vote as opposed to the victims.