Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Some of those were at various stages under the previous Government, as would have been the case when the previous Government took office back in 2009. Had they sustained a rate of progress of building new houses during that time, we would not have had a waiting list. Unfortunately, they took the view espoused by Paula Bennett that if the Government sold State houses, other organisations like banks would step in and fill the void. It was that kind of befuddled thinking that created the mess that we have now. 