Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): I think the questions the member asks are incredibly reasonable ones. Early childhood education participation, as she's noted, has declined both during the COVID-19 lockdown period, as we would have all expected, but also it has yet to rebound to the level that it was pre - COVID-19. At the moment, the data that we have on that is survey data. It is not the most reliable data, as the member will appreciate. Survey data is a rapid response, so it gives us some information to work from, but the most reliable data takes a wee while to come through in the data return exercises that centres go through, and then that will need to be rigorously crunched in order to give us the best picture possible.