To Penny Simmonds, with all due respect, I think what Penny Simmonds is asking for is to legislate for perfection into the future, and of course that's not going to happen. I think what I would say by way of reassurance is that we are in a transition. I would hate to think that Ms Simmonds and her party are arguing for us to slash the wages and incomes of nurses in the district health board (DHB) sector to avoid the problem that the aged residential care are talking about. There's always been a differential between nurses in the DHB sector and nurses in the funded sector: aged residential care and primary care. That differential has got a little bigger because we are desperately trying to catch up and make sure nurses in the DHB sector are properly paid, because their pay went backwards in real terms under the previous Government, and we've negotiated a pay equity deal and eventually that will come to fruition as well as we've been negotiating other pay equity agreements. 