Hon TIM MACINDOE (National—Hamilton West): E Te Mana Whakawā. Well, that was a compelling and coherent contribution from Mr Ball, wasn't it! Absolutely not. It'll be worth pointing out to members of the public who might be listening at this moment that Mr Ball is not a member of that committee, therefore he was speaking then without any knowledge of what the Justice Committee has been deliberating on for a very, very long time. One of the points I would like to make to him—because it was very hard, actually, to discern exactly where he was going with much of that rant, quite frankly—is that the National Party did not submit a minority view, because we are not in the minority on that committee. It is a split committee, Mr Ball, and when you try to lecture Mr Mitchell on getting it right, I suggest pot, kettle, black.