This was a very interesting report because it looked at that perspective of 40 years and it was something which contrasted with some of the behaviour I'd seen in the interviews that we'd done, etc. from the Opposition because I firmly come to the conclusion that what was going on was there was a living as if there was no tomorrow. There was a platitude—there were lots of platitudes. There were lots of things like, "We are for investment in electric vehicles." but actually then there was a crying out of material which was, "No, no, we can't go this fast. We can't do it this way. It's a tax.", etc. Every impediment that could be put up was put up to actually moving towards that sustainable future and it worries me because it is of concern that that is what the New Zealand public are being told.