In a post-COVID world, what we need is certainty for businesses moving forward as we recover. Consumers and businesses need some reassurance about how much the price will be allowed to rise. I note that there was a press release today from James Shaw, and, if anyone was reading it, they will look at figures like the new cap on the emissions trading scheme (ETS) of 160 million tonnes of carbon dioxide, but what does that actually mean? What does that mean for the price of fuel, for the price of electricity, or for the price of goods? Saying something like that is all well and good, but what that means for everyday New Zealanders in a post-COVID world, when people are out of work and out of jobs and have lost their livelihoods, is a completely different thing, and we need certainty around that.