Hon MICHAEL WOOD: While I disagree with the tenor of those comments, I would note that we continue to enjoy a very productive and constructive relationship with Mr Hope and BusinessNZ. In fact, I had a very cordial meeting with him this morning about a range of issues. But what I do respond to, to both that member and to Mr Hope, is the contention that the current workplace relations settings that we have are necessarily modern. What that member is defending is an ideology in workplace relations settings that comes from the days of the 1980s and 1990s. On this side of the House, we actually believe in a more collaborative approach, and we believe in giving Kiwi workers a fair go in areas where they are not getting that at the moment.