When I began all those years ago—in fact, I think it's closer to 30 than 25 when I try to do my addition, but my brain may be trying to ignore the fact. When I began as a 21-year-old it was common to hear victims talk about their sense of total disempowerment, their sense of a total lack of voice, and the fact that the trial was a re-victimisation. These things were common parlance, and I was really saddened when I heard those same experiences. And the Hon Louise Upston, you will know this better than I do.