Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Of course, one of the big issues is that New Zealanders don't, by and large, feel an immediate sense of threat from COVID-19. That, of course, is a sign of our success as a country and the team of 5 million in stamping out COVID19. But the message from the Government is that there is no room for any of us to be complacent here. We all need to do our bit. I'd encourage all members of Parliament to make sure they are using the app, and I also say to any member of the public: if they want to know why things like the app are important, they could sit down one evening and try and record down everybody that they had come into contact with in the last two weeks. Anybody who has tried to do that exercise will know it's a lot harder than they might think it is.