We support this piece of legislation, but we recognise that the problem isn't the subsequent child policy, but the idea of obligations and sanctions in the welfare system overall. All that we do with these punitive obligations, whether it's removing 100 percent or 50 percent of people's benefits, is put people into hardship. What removing people's benefits does is create the conditions where children are missing out on food and people not being able to pay rent at a time when benefits are already acknowledged as being too low to survive. 