Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): I'll try and answer those very quickly. In terms of kāhui ako, the Government supports the idea of collaboration between schools and early learning services. So the concept of kāhui ako is something that we support. Do we think that the resources could be applied more flexibly? Yes, we do. However, having said that, most of the resourcing is tied up with commitments made under the collective agreements with the New Zealand Post Primary Teachers' Association and the New Zealand Education Institute. So any further change there would be the subject of bargaining, and there already has been. In the last bargaining round, there was a decision taken, as part of that, to remove some of the resources around kāhui ako in order to fund other parts of the settlement. Any further changes are, obviously, then the subject of bargaining, because pretty much all of the rest of the resourcing now is tied up with commitments under the collective agreement.