Hon KRIS FAAFOI: The Sapere report is independent, and on the point that the member first made, I disagree with it, considering the answer that I gave earlier. If the member is saying that they want to get rid of all the funding that New Zealand On Air uses to support the fourth estate at the moment, which makes sure that we have programmes like The Nation and Q+A and other shows that she has actually, in her previous life, taken advantage of, then I think the media would want to know about that. 