Hon NANAIA MAHUTA: I reject the premise of that question if it is promoting co-governance. In fact, what I'd like to acknowledge is that Mr Goff is a member of the governance working group, did participate in some significant discussions around how to strengthen the governance representation and local voice aspects of the reform, and I thank them for their work. In relation directly to the point raised by the member, Mr Goff raised very specific views in relation to the Watercare arrangements and Auckland's interests, and those are ideas that he has long held.