Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Obviously I will never pre-empt future Budget decisions, let alone one, using the member's dates, that would be in Budget 2023. What I can say is that on this side of the House, we'll continue to focus on a balanced approach. That means yes, we try to keep debt low. That means yes, we try to make sure that we're investing in the long-term things that New Zealanders need. Those New Zealanders he's referring to deserve a health system that means that they get good quality healthcare wherever they are in New Zealand. They deserve for their children to be in classrooms that are warm and dry. They deserve to know that there will be good public transport and roading networks right across New Zealand. Those things don't come for free either.