Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: The Waitangi Tribunal—if I'm summarising what they said in what was a lengthy and helpful contribution to the discussion, it was that we must do better on behalf of tamariki who are in the care of Oranga Tamariki. My offer to the member and to that party would be: how can we work together to improve these circumstances for kids? If their view is that anything that we are currently doing is not about the best interests of children, I would be happy to debate that, but that is not the sense I am getting from these questions.