Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour—New Lynn): I wish to begin by thanking the Minister of Internal Affairs for bringing this Supplementary Order Paper 59 to the House and for sending it to the select committee for an inquiry. I wish to thank all the speakers tonight who have approached this matter very carefully and, I think, respectfully. I want to reflect on the words of a wise man—Damien O'Connor, for the record. It's something that Damien—Mr O'Connor, Damien, whatever: that man—