Clearly, the internet filter that was proposed—to me, it was an inadequate tool trying to deal with a very, very horrendous problem, and I also note what the Chief Censor said as well. But I have a quote here from one of the submitters, Thomas Beagle of the New Zealand Council for Civil Liberties, who said, "We can't meaningfully stop … motivated users from accessing materials. There's just too many channels and too many mechanisms, including encrypted chat rooms, peer-to-peer file transfers, websites … overseas and of course Virtual Private Networks … to ensure that no one in New Zealand can even [access what they're getting at]". 