The Minister asked, challenged us, to say that we wouldn't have to borrow it. I don't agree. We would. We would've done many of the things that this Government has done, and we did do them in times of other crisis—the global financial crisis, where we made sure that not a single person had a benefit cut or was supported otherwise during those longer, much longer, straitened times. But the idea that if we were to spend less than this Government somehow things should have to be cut is a myth and it's wrong and it needs to be put down and away. The reality is that growing the economy helps the Government, helps Crown revenue. Holding the economy stable and improving it is the best way to reduce borrowing. Returning back to surplus sooner than we otherwise might is the best way to reduce our debt.