Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: It's estimated that around 2,000 jobs in local communities will be created from the expansion in Budget 2020, including jobs for around 30 people in Otago and Southland. This is based on what we know from the existing pilot. For example, the school lunches at Murupara Area School are delivered by Manawa Munchies, which is a business set up specifically for this purpose, which is employing three local people. Similar examples exist up and down the country.