Hon SCOTT SIMPSON (National—Coromandel): Thank you, Madam Chair. I listened to the Minister's gratuitously insulting comments about what he called "quaint, old-fashioned ideas" relating to important principles of property rights in New Zealand in relation to land tenure. Yes, a leasehold is not a freehold—that's understood by everybody involved. But it was gratuitously insulting for the Minister to imply that the property right contained in the lease in perpetuity of these of these 170-something high country leaseholders is somehow a quaint, old concept or idea that needs modernising. That is entirely inappropriate, and I would have thought better of the Minister.