Can I just acknowledge at the start Elizabeth Kerekere, who I sat with consistently through most of the submissions that we heard on the Justice Committee, along with other members of the committee as well. I think she made a very good point in her speech to the House when she said that most of the submitters that actually came and submitted to the committee, a lot of them shared very personal views in terms of what conversion meant to them and the impact that it had had on them. We had doctors and we had parents, caregivers, that fundamentally were making submissions around the fact that they didn't want to see a chilling effect on the ability for parents to be able to have open conversations with their children, or to parent their children.