Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: Oh, that's always been the case. In fact, there has never been a nationally consistent set of measures of student progress outside of the senior secondary school, and some of the measures that have been put in place have proven to be neither national nor standard. They weren't particularly consistent. We do have studies available, including the national monitoring project, which gives us pretty good and robust information. There are some other sources of information available as well, including through some of the digital tools that are available that do provide some aggregatable data that can be drawn on for research purposes in measuring students' progress in some of those earlier year levels.