Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): Yes, I do stand by my statement that a turn to austerity measures will simply mean that it takes us longer to rebuild society. I also stand by my statement that our recovery from COVID-19 has to be about getting the balance right. The Government has used its strong balance sheet in response to COVID-19 to support New Zealanders and provide confidence to households and businesses. But we also owe it to future generations to work on reducing the higher levels of debt that we have taken on. In doing so, there are hard choices to be made, and we are focused on investing where it is needed the most. I disagree with the premise in the second part of the member's question. Our focus in public sector pay is on the lowest income earners, especially the 25 percent of public servants who earn below $60,000. If we want to reduce inequality, that is where our priority should sit when it comes to public sector pay increases. I also note that those between $60,000 and $100,000 in pay can get pay rises under certain criteria.