Hon POTO WILLIAMS (Minister of Police): In answer to the member's first question, I stand by the full context of my statement, which was that gang tensions have been a feature of New Zealand society for well over a century. In answer to the second part of the member's question, the member is referring to the National Gang List, which is an internal police intelligence tool. As police have publicly said, it remains an unreliable measure of gang membership. The way to deal with gang tensions and gang membership is by giving police the tools and resources they need, and that is why Budget 2022 includes $562 million for police over four years, of which $94 million will go towards tackling gangs and organised crime.