But we can't also go around and increase penalties, as we've seen in various other examples, and then be accused of being soft on law and order. The fact is that if we want to have effective policies in law and order, then we need to work on fact, and the last thing that we as a Parliament, as parliamentarians, need to do is make laws in regards to law and order on emotion. I simply reject the notion that because this side of the House wants to make laws based on fact, that that makes us soft. We have had that accusation all night. We've had it with the previous bill and we're having it now, and I say to the other side of the House: that accusation does not resonate. Because the fact is, if you apply an evidence-based approach—New Zealanders are not dumb. New Zealanders are a thinking people, and they know a political stunt when they see it and they know a bill that is ineffective when one is presented. This is simply the case now.