There's anecdotal evidence from overseas and around the country that juries are reluctant to convict for offences like manslaughter. In the case of vehicular manslaughter, they're more likely to convict of dangerous driving causing death, especially if the penalties are less. Guilty pleas can equate to less suffering for the affected parties, as I mentioned, and it negates the need for expensive trials. I've been through numerous High Court and District Court trials, and I can tell you—and my colleague next to me, Harete Hipango, will tell you as well—they are very gruelling for the families and the victims, if they're alive. Anything that can minimise court trials and the experience is worthwhile, in my view. In some cases, I've had rape victims tell me that the rape trial was worse than the actual event, if you could believe that.