For many New Zealanders, it's as easy as that. They want to have a child, and they do. But for others, they seek more alternatives because it's not as straightforward. And for myself, I'm personally going through egg freezing because I know in the future that I may need IVF. And so that's an option that I would like to have for myself, because many New Zealanders know that IVF gives them more chances to have a child in the future, and similarly with surrogacy. Surrogacy allows people who may have difficulties to have a child and have no other option, to have that option of bringing new life into the world. I think it's wonderful, and I think it's great that our new laws should reflect that.