But for those who came more recently, in particular during the time of European settlement of the South Island and the gold rush, that is when the large-scale environmental degradation of this part of New Zealand occurred. That was when not only were areas burned in anticipation that they could be sown and then grazed, but much worse. With huge pumps, the hoses and the sluicing that occurred during the goldmining era when literally the hillsides were washed away with giant hoses and cascades of water. Now, when you go there today and you see the photographs of that time, you see the images of a devastated countryside. And in fact, that's what every country has done to its environment in the early days of industrial exploitation, and New Zealand's no different, Minister.