Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: I reject the latter part of that member's question, and, in answer to the former part of it, I pick up what the Minister for the Public Service said in the House the other day. The people he's talking about are the people who've been keeping us safe at the border, the people who keep us healthy, the people who educate our children. I'm sorry the member doesn't think that those things are important, but on this side of the House, we do.