Hon WILLIE JACKSON: We're obviously focused in on the crisis right now. Mana in Mahi is part of the kōrero, part of the discussion. We remain focused on trying to achieve those numbers, but we realise we're not going to kid anyone in the House today. We're in a crisis situation, so everything—everything—is going to be tough over the next couple of years, but we're focused in on that kaupapa still. 