NICOLA WILLIS (National): I want to know if the Minister of Housing remembers a Social Services and Community Committee hearing where she sat next to the chief executive of Kaīnga Ora, Andrew McKenzie. That hearing took place on 9 June, and at that hearing I put to the Minister and Mr McKenzie allegations that have been put to me repeatedly by housing developers across this country, who have come to me on multiple occasions to say, "You know, the problem is this Labour Government has filled Kaīnga Ora up with so much money, they've put so much cash in the piggy bank, that those guys are going around the country, spraying the money around it, outbidding the private sector for land such that we can't compete." They're outbidding, they're pumping up the price of land, and they're doing it with no commercial discipline whatsoever. 