Also, I picked up on the fact that the Minister said it was really hard to estimate the number of farmers who do it. Now, before I go on to that, I just wanted to make mention of the people who died on the boat, because often we see that everyone talks about this being an animal welfare tragedy, and of course many cattle died on that boat and it was a tragedy that that boat obviously wasn't up to spec and went somewhere that it shouldn't go. As a result of that, over 40 people actually lost their lives on that boat too, and it's something that's very seldom ever mentioned. It sort of reminds me that, you know, we have a car accident, but we don't ban every car. You know, there's tragedies from time to time, but it doesn't mean to say we stop doing it because it happens to one boat. Even reading in here, the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) didn't actually count this in their animal welfare figure or their animal death stats because it was actually a transport and a boat-sinking episode, not an animal welfare episode. 