One of the issues, though, I find is we get really hot and heated under the collar about these people being democratically elected, but I always find the same hot and heatedness doesn't apply to council-controlled organisations. These are organisations that are meant to be 100 percent owned by the cities or districts. They are loaded with undemocratically elected people—every single one of them, in fact—and no one says boo. Yes, there's a process—there is—but are they democratically elected to run a council service? No. Not a word is said. There is a process. Democratically elected? No. 