PENNY SIMMONDS (National—Invercargill): Thank you, Mr Chair, and thank you, Minister. I think we've probably seen from experience around the COVID vaccinations that the science and evidence often isn't enough for communities to be won over, or certain elements of our communities to be won over. So the process of consultation and getting communities on board I think is an incredibly important part of the implementation of this legislation, and I'm not sure that we've had spelt out to us how that process is really going to play out.