Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): Madam Chair, thank you for the opportunity to just respond. There was a point that a member raised earlier, which I didn't respond to in my first contribution, and that was issues around the risk assessment put forward by officials. I think it's important to note that the quoting that he was doing in that was from the unmitigated risk assessment, and, in fact, the point of doing an unmitigated risk assessment, as you say—if you don't put any mitigations in place, what could go wrong? The risk assessment did that and it did it fairly, and it pointed out all of the risks. Of course, mitigations have been put in place that deal with many of those issues—in fact, they deal with all of the risks. There are mitigations in place for all of the risks. No reform of this nature has no risks. The question is how you manage it. I'm confident—and it's all spelled out there—in the business case and in the Cabinet papers that were released and how those risks are being managed. 