Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour—Christchurch Central): Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Thank you. What a nasty little bill. What a vile, small-minded, smug, insincere little bill. A bill that appeals to the basest instinct, a bill that drums up fear, a bill that, frankly, stands in the way of helping people. And you know what the word Simeon Brown used most often in that speech was? "They". Not "us"; "they". "Those people over there that don't belong, that aren't one of us, that I want to vilify." Well, I won't vilify anyone. Everyone in New Zealand belongs to—this House of Representatives should represent them. And, you know what? Who are these peddlers of meth? You know, you can vilify them like that, but they are brothers, fathers, sons. They are people. And, look, who is a gang associate? Now, it might be some nasty person, or it might be some frightened 18-year-old who is doing the bidding of someone much nastier than him. Do you say we shouldn't help that person? Well, I don't. And if there's a way to get into that person's organisation, to reach out, to stop being arrogant and be a little more humble—so much for your serve in leadership. How about a bit of humility and saying, "I want to reach out."?