BARBARA KURIGER: I didn't say "Do nothing", to the member over there that's decided to chirp in. I've said we need tools. We have IP in this country, and if that member thinks that we can sit in this country and do everything to the nth degree and the rest of the world doesn't do what we are doing and we're going to make one iota of difference to climate change, then that member's got a bit of delusion going on. So we've actually got to work through these processes. 