The bill will not reduce harm. We've heard lots of arguments—well, not arguments. We've heard lots of slogans. "This will reduce harm—this will reduce harm." It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it doesn't prove it. Actually, we want to see the evidence. At a second reading, we're meant to be considering the submissions from submitters. And as Dr Shane Reti outlined from the departmental statement, the only people consulted on this issue has been KnowYourStuffNZ, the organisation which does and has an interest in this issue. No one else in New Zealand has had their views taken into account, and the departmental statement doesn't even articulate the view that this will even work or that there is any evidence that this will actually work.