Hon DAVID PARKER (Minister for the Environment): Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I begin by saying that I think Mark Cameron and all the members of this place are good people, but I fundamentally disagree with what is proposed in this legislation, and I'm going to try in the 10 minutes that I have available to explain how we've got to the position that we've got to in New Zealand and why I think what's being proposed is not the solution. 