Also, before I conclude, I think it's important and it would be appropriate and becoming of a Minister for a department for children to be the exemplar in how women are treated. I know that, as a lawyer who was advocating for Māori mothers and for non-Māori mothers of children, it was evidenced time and again how they were spoken over by people working within the agency—unbecoming, inappropriate. And I would invite the Minister to reconsider how he conducts himself in that position of responsibility as the lead for the Ministry for Children.