We also know the Minister would very much like to see her policy around 100 percent renewable electricity somehow be delivered; although, it looks not just increasingly unlikely but exorbitantly expensive—likely to cost tens or even twenties or even hundreds of billions of dollars. In fact, no one can tell the Minister, and the Minister can't tell New Zealand, how much that wild aspiration for 100 percent renewable is likely to cost. So, of course, reducing greenhouse gas emissions, 100 percent renewable electricity, can't be achieved through any other policy means! It's unfortunate the Minister herself isn't available to respond today. She had a chance yesterday to make her case, and she wouldn't.