DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Thank you, Mr Chair, and I thank the Minister for her very revealing reply to my earlier questions. She said that equity between kids in a household on welfare and a household with parents working was out of the scope of this bill. She then went on to talk about all of the terrible impacts of parents having to work in households where people are dependent on benefits. She talked about toxic stress, for example. Well, can I just offer a few thoughts to the Minister about why the kids of working households and their welfare is relevant and is in scope for this bill.