ERICA STANFORD (National—East Coast Bays): Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to come back to my Supplementary Order Paper and the need for two years, because the Minister in the chair, Kris Faafoi, again is continuing to use COVID as an excuse. COVID is going to be with us for a while—who knows how long?—and it's not a reason for a wholesale transfer of power, as he actually originally wanted, for a long period of time. It's up to Ministers to get their departments match fit to be able to deal with what happens as a consequence of COVID.