I've listened to Chris Luxon a number of times. I said to him, he would be a great leader at the start. But you know, after listening to him for the last six or so months, he reminds me of the crown-of-thorns starfish. This is a starfish that secretes waste from all thorns. And that's what he's like. You don't know what you believe about the man. You know, he cries foul about the poverty of people here, but he doesn't know what it's like. He's not made any sacrifices. He sounds more like a John Key puppet in my view. I mean, he said the other day on social media that he was on one part of the country when he was sunbathing in the other part of the party.