It's accepted that there is a time and there is a place for the State to provide. But, really, the question that we should answer is: do we continue to perpetuate that welfare dependency? In my submission: regrettably, this does. And I say "regrettably" because this is an area that I've given service, working in areas of the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in my community, in our community. I have seen the intergenerational dysfunction of welfare dependency and the perpetuation of the State saying our people can't do and can't get by, cannot stand upright without the State telling us: "This is what you need. You need the State to keep giving you the pūtea.", to keep giving you the poverty of a sense of loss of spirit and dignity.