What they told us was they've spent $85 million already, and Hastings District Council staff took us—including Labour members on that committee—to look at the new reservoirs and water treatment system that have been built to address just those risks, Minister. And for $85 million, they've built all the baseline infrastructure, and they've got plans to spend up to $200 million in total over 10 years on asset renewals and allowing for growth. And yet, under the Minister's reform package, they've been told they need to spend $2 billion over 30 years—that's $600 million, or three times as much as they need to allow for growth and fixing the network in Hawke's Bay. So how can New Zealanders have any confidence in a three waters reform proposal, when even the councils at the epicentre of the Havelock North water quality issue—where Labour members were happy to show us the good work going on in their district; that the problem's fixed. How can New Zealanders have any confidence, Minister, that this reform proposal, based on these enormous and outlandish costs—tripling the spend on three waters infrastructure over 30 years—firstly, that they could be achieved, secondly, that they're value for money? Because what they told us was they don't need the money, Minister. They don't need co-governance imposed. They've already got good relationships with mana whenua in Hawke's Bay. What they want is their communities to thrive and their local economy to growth without central government interference. Minister, I'd appreciate if you'd answer that question.