What about my learned colleague Mr Goldsmith, pointing out that out of all of the courts in the country, 29 of them do not have access to audiovisual (AV) equipment to run virtual court sittings? A large part of this bill is about ensuring that remote hearings can continue. We are legislating, under urgency, something that is already happening; at least, it is where the facilities are available. I recall Mr Goldsmith stating that Ruatōria doesn't have AV equipment. I've been inside that fully ring-fenced District Court, the one where a judge has a corrugated-iron roller door between his bench and the rest of the court. I guess there's no need for gang-patch security guards when you can bring down the internal garage door instead. But the point being made by Mr Goldsmith at the time is quite valid. If you have someone living in a remote, a rural, or an isolated piece of New Zealand and they make their way, say from Hicks Bay to Ruatōria for a court case or a hearing, they may be turned away if they don't meet the protocols. So if no AV equipment is available for a remote hearing to take place, then this House is allowing a delay to justice, and it appears to me that the cart has been put before the horse.