Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): Those are, again, all very fair questions. We know that we've got a challenge around Māori and Pasifika early childhood education (ECE) participation, and one of things that I'd been doing some work on before COVID was looking at what our participation measures are and making sure that they're quality measures, because I think—as the member will be familiar—the measures that we've used previously are a pretty blunt survey of early childhood education participation by kids prior to them starting school. So we've ticked a box and said, "Have you participated in ECE before you started school?" We got up to about 97 percent on that. You could say, "Well, that's amazing. That's really good.", but when you get underneath that and you say, "OK, but at the ages of three and the age of four, for how long? On average, at the age of three and, on average, at the age of four, how many hours a week did those children attend?", that really highlights the difference in ethnicity. 