Hon JAN TINETTI (Minister for Women): I'm not sure the other side are very aware of what their situation is over the borders. One moment they want them closed; one moment they want them open. They sound very confused. It must be very confusing for the public of this country to hear their arguments over there, and also their lack of complete awareness around the pressures that are being put on managed isolation and quarantine. Maybe they need to do some better research or find some better research than what they currently have. 