It's quite interesting; the previous speaker, Todd McClay, talked about "We don't need this in New Zealand." A lot of the talk about this came from what happened in Australia. Well, when we start comparing ourselves to Australia, yes, like many things, we weren't as bad as the Aussies, but, boy, that doesn't make us good. It just meant that actually we may not have needed quite the heavy fix that the Aussies needed, and they did need a heavy fix as a result of their commission of inquiry. Anyone who wants some good bed time reading, read that commission of inquiry and you'll find out what goes wrong when you actually end up with the institutions running the matter. 