There are many harrowing stories from survivors of conversion therapy, and this also includes, for example, the story of the young woman who told the story of the time her mum had suggested a deliverance: a practice where a minister would pray over her to free her from the demonic forces. She said that "Looking back, it was clear that I was desperate to have connection and love from my parents, and I would do anything to get it.", but when the demons didn't budge and she walked out feeling ashamed for who she was—how can that be healthy? How can we allow any kind of messaging that tells people, that tells our rangatahi, there's something wrong with them and they need to be fixed?