Then he said "Ah, such a dim view that Scott Simpson has"—that nobody will ever take advantage of sick leave when they aren't sick. Has he spoken to the employers in his electorate even? To the hairdressers who say "Actually, I know that my employees will take advantage of this."? That's what they're saying out there. That's because this Minister, as he says, has an optimistic view of human nature when it comes to workplace relations. Well, actually, if it was true that all people were angels, we wouldn't need to be here making rules to try and restrain undesirable behaviour. It's a totally illogical construction that he's put on the way workplace relations actually work.