Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I fully expect the organisation to be identifying significant savings that can be made. And we do need to acknowledge the fact that there has been a significant downturn in the number of students that are enrolled in the provider-based arm of Te Pūkenga at the moment. There have, however, been increases in the number of students who have been enrolled in work-based training, so there will be probably additional employment opportunities in that area. I do expect Te Pūkenga will be making changes in that regard to reflect the changing enrolment patterns that they're seeing.