Hon MICHAEL WOOD: I agree with the member on the overriding importance of meeting the targets set by the independent climate commission to reduce our emissions over that period. As I've identified, the interventions and infrastructure made by ATAP lead to a 13 percent decrease per capita in Auckland. Auckland's sustained significant population growth does mean that we face that prospect as outlined by the member. That's why it's important that we don't look at ATAP alone; we look at the other interventions and policies that we can roll out to reduce emissions. I note that the Government has already this year committed to a clean car standard to make new cars coming into our fleet 40 percent cleaner than they are now, the decarbonisation of public buses, and the roll-out of a biofuels mandate. These measures taken together with the measures in ATAP would get Auckland to the point of a gross emissions reduction, but we acknowledge that there is much more to do, and I'll be working on that with officials over the remainder of this year as we produce a transport emissions action plan in response to the independent climate commission's recommendations.