Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: No, because the Government Investment in Decarbonising Industry fund that the member seems to be so obsessed with and getting so wrong actually requires businesses to contribute. It actually means that they are contributing up to 50 percent of the costs and it means that we're actually supporting businesses to get on with the job of decarbonising. Sure, we could take the National Party's approach and sit on our hands; on this side of the House, we want to support New Zealanders, including businesses, to decarbonise.