Hon STUART NASH: A substantial part of this bill is talking about firearms and firearm crime, and gangs and guns. We recognised, at one point in time, that guns were a real problem—certain types of guns were a real issue in our community—where we had a terrorist come in with military-style semi-automatic weapons and mow down 51 Kiwis. As the Minister of Police at the time, I talked to a number of people involved in the firearms community—a wide range of people in the firearms community—and do you know what they all said? "You don't need these guns." Hunters said you don't need a military-style semi-automatic to hunt. Duck shooters said you don't need a barrel with eight bullets to hunt. So what we did—the first jurisdiction in the world—is we actually banned weapons that were produced to kill people—to kill people. We said any legitimate weapon for hunting, for duck hunting, for farms, we'll leave those there. And the vast majority of gun owners, the vast majority of Kiwis, understood why we were doing what we were doing and they bought into it, because the thing is, when it comes to guns and when it comes to gangs, we all know—and Nicole McKee, I believe you know, because you were a very staunch advocate in this—that where the gangs—