What happens every time we talk about the minimum wage? The National Party says no. What do they say about beneficiaries? Well, what we have done for beneficiaries is raise benefits to a far more reasonable income, so 110,000 beneficiaries with children will be better by an average of $175 a week. That's what families in need really need. That's what people facing increased costs of living need. They don't need Louise Upston to sit in this House and say, "Why are we not sanctioning people because they haven't turned up for a job interview? Why aren't we taking the benefit off families who need to feed their kids?" Well, this isn't a punitive Government, and I'll tell you what it shows. What does a 3.2 percent unemployment rate show? It shows that our strategy is working—that by preserving the health of New Zealanders and the economy of New Zealanders, and by taking a balanced approach, more people are in jobs today than has ever been the case. We have lower unemployment than since when records started. Yet what would the National Party do? 