Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, I come back to the point of comparison that makes the most sense in these times—even though I would argue the COVID economic recovery is far more difficult in scale and quantum, and you see that globally, than, necessarily, the GFC—and we still have record numbers of people coming off benefits and into work, and we still see a lower percentage of the working-age population on Government support. At the same time, we are working very hard to reform our skills and trade training sector to make sure that they are meeting the needs of employers and our young people. But given the member's focused on outputs, I'm sure he would be interested—again, referring to the numbers of the significant increase in trades training, whereas in the GFC, we saw those sectors bottom out, and we are still paying the price.