HAMISH WALKER: Ha, ha! I just want to address a few of the previous comments from the Government members. We heard from the Hon Clare Curran, who said that the work hasn't been done, and then she went on to reference UK examples. Well, if you look at the UK examples, the fines over there are $5,000; all I'm trying to do here is increase it from $2,000 to $4,000. 