Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: On this side of the House, we know that New Zealanders want and need good quality public health, good quality education, good quality housing. For the nine years the National Party were in office, every single one of those was undermined. The member can't have it all ways. She can't say she's going to reduce debt, cut taxes, and keep up that spending. It's the same Bermuda Triangle that Paul Goldsmith was in, and unless the National Party come up with new ideas, it's just same old National again.