Can I say that my memory is as long as his; the same debate that we're having tonight we had 20 years ago, when this bill was introduced in this House, and the same arguments that were put up 20 years ago are being used tonight by that member. I can say that time has moved on, public sentiment has moved on, and the short title of this particular bill does exactly what it sets out to do, which is to level the playing field in order for Māori wards and constituencies to be created so that Māori can participate in a proactive way, with an air of optimism and hope that the Māori voice around the council table is a total sum benefit, not a negative. It's actually where the world is moving to. It's certainly where many New Zealand communities are moving to, evidenced by the fact that a number of local councils are putting their hands up and saying that it's time and that this is going to happen, and we support the bill.