I'm not going to listen to the people on the other side of the House who make apologies for offenders, who say that every offender has been a victim. I find that absolutely offensive. When there are victims out there in our society, they are the ones who should be at the heart of our justice system and they are the ones who we should be putting first, and then we should be making sure that we don't have new offenders being created because of the decisions which get made, because we're not notifying schools and we're not doing the job that the Government should be doing. 