Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I totally reject the idea that Mana in Mahi is anything other than a successful programme. Two examples of that: over 60 percent of those involved are young people. Secondly, 90 percent of them aren't going back on to benefit. Thirdly, the member will find that the majority of young people are on a benefit for less than 12 months. You wouldn't know that by the way he characterises them. 