DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Madam Speaker, thank you. I rise on behalf of ACT in support of this Medicines Amendment Bill (No 2) at the second reading of it. I couldn't help but think about what the member Teanau Tuiono, who just sat down, was saying. He said something very interesting: "We should trust the experts.", and I thought that's very interesting. That was the way for thousands of years, and one of the greatest advances in the last few centuries was the idea that ordinary people could read the Scriptures for themselves and didn't have to be told what to think by the experts. They called that the Reformation. 