SIMON COURT (ACT): So we are debating Part 2, and we are talking about the regulations which establish rulings panel, and my question to the Minister is what type of or what value or form of punishment would elicit the kind of information that is not currently available, because that's what Part 2, in the Amendments to regulation, seeks to do, is to set up a rulings panel to order penalties and to define what offences and breaches are.