Hon NANAIA MAHUTA: Again, there are a range of views amongst mayors and leaders and councils. Take, for example, the Mayor of Ruapehu, Don Cameron, who said, "Reform is essential, where our debt attributed to three waters will be paid back by the [water services entity] and our further work will be properly prioritised and carried out in a timely manner [with no] cost to council,"—and that's in favour of the reform.