TANGI UTIKERE: —but I'll acknowledge that it's been drawn, none the less, to the member Mr Brownlee. What I would say is that Minister Mahuta has outlined a good position, and I intend to come back to that, but fundamentally this is an issue that is at the heart of our country's foreign policy arrangements. And just in reflection on the comments and contributions from the ACT member who has just resumed her seat, Brooke van Velden, this is not a situation of being scared. It's about what's the right thing to do in a context that is always evolving. 