I agree entirely with Jan Logie about the loss of trust and that Oranga Tamariki has, and other Government agencies have, a huge amount of work to do to regain the trust of people. I've been saying to Oranga Tamariki staff that we will start to regain the trust of people, of whānau, when they see our social workers, our staff, actually going out and fighting for them, advocating for them on their behalf, to get better services from other Government agencies, and when we start seeing the results too.