So this Labour Government is just obsessed with pushing this co-governance agenda. Two of the board members must be appointed in consultation with the Minister for Māori Development. I'd love to see these two conversations between the Minister of broadcasting and the Minister for Māori Development! I'd like to think it would be just Willie Jackson himself angrily—sorry, the Hon Willie Jackson himself—muttering to himself about David Seymour being a useless Māori. One great ratings programme would be to have Mr Jackson on TVNZ with Mr Seymour to debate co-governance, but his party won't allow him, and that is a shame for the outstanding broadcasting potential that that could have. 