The thing that happened in the mid-1980s, as we know, pre the loss of all the subsidies, is farmers were paid on how much land they cleared and therefore how much stock they carried. Of course, when that changed, there was a whole lot of land that became uneconomic from a farming perspective but what happened to that land is it wasn't planted out. So the Forest Service has actually identified about 1.2 million hectares of land that is only suitable for the permanent forest category. And by the "permanent forest category" I mean land that will probably never be harvested either from an economic perspective—and by that it's too far from a port or not close to a processing facility or too expensive to harvest—or it won't be harvested from a health and safety perspective because, again, the ability to harvest this in a way that meets the expectations of health and safety in the 21st century just doesn't exist, or from a conservation perspective; i.e., harvesting land which is too steep just is unconscionable. 