DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): Point of order, Mr Chair. I'm very reluctant to prolong this, but I might be able to assist. In my view, the Standing Orders are all still perfectly upstanding and upheld. The fact is that the member, who has subsequently departed, has said that he didn't breach them, because he's denied that he said any particular thing; so there's no breach of the Standing Orders regardless of what he said. He said he didn't, we take him at his word, the rules are still there, it's still wrong to impugn improper motives on members—we're all good to go!