Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): Well, I'm conscious I only have 2½ minutes left according to the allocation, but I'd be interested to know, given the fair pay agreements, how the employers will be represented by employee associations, and given the New Zealand businesses' indication that they won't be fulfilling that role, who will? And how will they go about coming together? If you take a sector, you might have thousands of employers all around the country doing their own thing, no association. They've got three months to come together to form a negotiating half to go into negotiations with the unions. How does the Minister expect that they will actually form themselves into a group? Who takes the lead on this? Who pays for it, importantly? Who is nominated as the employer lead? How does it all work? 