CHAIRPERSON (Hon Ruth Dyson): Just before I call the Minister for the Environment, could I say that the member who's just resumed her seat, while speaking very appropriately to the bill, has reverted to the old way of committee stage debate and had her target firmly set at five minutes. That's not the agreement of the House on how we do committee stage debate any more. We're having more of a conversational debate, so the member would ask specific questions and the Minister is expected to answer them and the member can then expect to get another call if she has further questions.