Hon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice): Well, I thank Mr Penk for his contributions to Part 1. Quite simply, there's nothing like a bit of reinforcement in terms of trying to ensure that we do make the system as efficient and effective as possible. I'm not suggesting that the duties of lawyers are the overriding reason as to why there are delays in the court process. Obviously we want to introduce care of children lawyers at the beginning of the process to be able to navigate those early stages quicker, because, as I mentioned earlier, mediation at the beginning can make about 250 days difference in the resolution. I think there's also a wider issue of the management of cases within the court system that will need addressing at some stage, and a coming together of these issues, I think, will get us to a point where we have a system that is, on behalf of New Zealanders, the most efficient system that takes the best interests of all parties involved and does the least harm. And that's what clause 9—I think it was that the member was alluding to—goes in some way to reinforcing.