Look, there are ways of doing this. Look at the Pomahaka Catchment Group—and there's a whole lot of other catchment groups I could name around the country that have been doing some good work. I used the example just recently about the winter grazing issue. I want to commend Bernadette Hunt for her stance in explaining exactly how winter grazing works. I commend you, Minister, for listening and taking in some more submissions around how this might work.