Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): I am very happy to speak to the issue of the pace at which the Government is moving. There is no question that we are moving at pace with regard to these reforms. There is, of course, a risk of moving more slowly, of stagnation, and also of prolonged decline, effectively, because some of the institutes of technology and polytechnics (ITPs) and some of the industry training organisations (ITOs) have actually been clear that if we are going to go ahead and do this—and the Government has indicated we are intending to go ahead and do this—actually, they risk losing staff, they risk losing the employers who are currently engaged in training, if there is too much uncertainty over too long a period of time.