Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: In answer to the first part of the question, I think that I covered that off in answering a previous supplementary, and I think if the member carefully reads through the report, also in paragraph 34 of the Public Service Commissioner's report, he notes that the chief executive was not adequately briefed on some of the material that is part of the findings of the Public Service Commissioner not only of a culture of minimisation but of too much devolving of responsibility in what has been rectified in there. The email, as I said, was sent at 9.54 a.m. That was prior to my conversation with the chief executive at 12.30 of that same day. So I think the member is incorrect to say that he sent that email after having communication with me. In regard to when I first became aware of the email of 11 November, that's when I reviewed it in an Official Information Act request. It was sent to the member asking the question.