When I hear the language of "failure at the border", that is a direct attack on the people who are working at the border to keep New Zealand safe. One of our challenges we've got at the border is increasingly people don't want to work there. One of the biggest areas of risk we've got at the border is that people are giving up working at the border, and that is actually a risk to public health. [Interruption] And the ongoing attacks on them, not just from the members opposite, but from some epidemiologists who should know better, is actually increasing the risk to New Zealand's public health. 