It was a time, of course, that was a bit feisty at times, too. Richard Prebble threatened to punch out JT because JT wasn't wearing a tie one day. So that wasn't a good look in terms of the Māori Affairs Committee at the time. JT threatened to punch out Mahara Okeroa who was on the same side as JT's, and I got promoted to chair that day. Then the select committee that John Tamihere had defamed a kaumātua of ours, a guy—you'll remember this—Dennis Hansen, and JT very bravely in the House called him a drunk and a liar. And Dennis Hansen demanded the opportunity to come back to the Māori Affairs Committee so that he could have that opportunity to respond. The letter was put to the Māori Affairs Committee that the kaumātua could come back. Of course, unanimously we supported his request to come to the Māori Affairs Committee, and so he came. And the kaumātua walked in, and, of course, I got to chair the Māori Affairs Committee that day. We had a totally full room, it was absolutely packed out, and John Tamihere had to sit behind me. The kaumātua walked into the room, and he said to everybody, there must have been 50 there, "There's only two things that I would've done in my day if anyone had called me a drunk or a liar, and that would've been me hitting that person and that person hitting the ground." And, of course, the room burst into laughter, and we all clapped, showed JT no loyalty whatsoever. Audrey Young after that said that at every Māori Affairs Committee there should be a charge put on, because it was so entertaining.