Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: So the view of the royal commission was that the current penalties were not sufficient. And the Ministry of Justice, in canvassing other like-minded international jurisdictions who had similar provisions, was, likewise, that the current penalties were not sufficient. So the proposal includes three years. I would point out that in the UK a similar provision attracts a penalty of seven years. If the member is of the view that the criminal penalty is too high, I would welcome a submission from any member of this House. Ultimately, I want these provisions to last as long as the last provisions, which are broadly similar and were introduced 50 years ago. So if the member would like to submit, I welcome that. I would point out that, at the moment, the member's critique of these proposals actually demonstrate that she doesn't support the current law, and so I would seek some clarity from the members on that, because this is seeking to narrow some of these provisions. If it's simply that the member does not believe they should be expanded to people based on religious grounds, by all means take that view, but I would be interested in whether or not you currently support the existing law as well.