So, yes, we do have electric vehicle chargers in Ōtorohanga and Te Kūiti, but that is not rural New Zealand at the most remote points of it. I made a point to Minister Wood the other night that if he had been in Marokopa last weekend, he probably wouldn't have got to work this week, because he would have been stuck in his electric car. I asked him when he opened the road at Awakino whether he'd actually seen the hills surrounding northern Taranaki and the King Country, because people need utes to be able to run the businesses; the sheep and beef farmers, in particular, that operate on that hill country. Mr McAnulty knows this well, and Angela Roberts must see it as she goes around in her travels as well.