Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: I would question the numbers of that member. Also, I would say a couple of things. A lot of the investment has been spent with regards to supporting provider capability. This side of the House is very supportive of supporting for Māori, by Māori. And that's certainly a major element of our Māori trades training focus. Also, as another side impact to Māori trades training, we have had a pandemic to contend with—that does not mean that the programme is not successful and that we will not continue to invest in it.