Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: The first point I'd like to make is that there is no evidence to show that any of the rules around interest deductibility have in any way driven rents increases. And I think we can just look at history to see that. So if we take the period from October 2017 to December 2021, we saw that rents rose 16.4 percent. I'd like to compare that from the period August 2013 to October 2017 under a National-ACT Government, where we also saw a rent increase of 16.4 percent. So I caution the member with conflating correlation and causation.