I want to reflect a little bit on what Mr Seymour said. I accept the criticisms that there may be a revisionist approach to what I said when I said, "We got the popcorn out." But then he went on to, effectively, agree with me by saying that the previous Government could have done nothing. That was the point I was trying to make. I accept the point that he said, that they probably should have done nothing, because the best place for the Government to be in an employment relationship is out of it, is to leave bargaining to the employers and the employees and their agents, and that it did, I'm sure, offend his principle, on that basis, when it was being discussed by the social policy Cabinet committee. But the previous Government did have a reputation for pragmatism, and it was a pragmatic response, and it was a response designed, as the label says, to achieve pay equity, and, at that time, it did.