Hon JAMES SHAW (Minister of Climate Change): Thank you, Mr Speaker. Well, it's a shame actually that Todd McClay wasn't on the consultation launch yesterday. There were just shy of 600 people. I was scrolling through the list of participants. It's a pretty large group of people interested in where this thing is going and it is a shame that Todd McClay wasn't on it, because then his speech would be better informed and less ignorant than what we just saw.