The Hon James Shaw, I want to thank the Minister for his engagement with all parties in the House, and particularly—and Scott Simpson acknowledged this—James Shaw's contribution to the committee stage of this bill was really very impressive. He has an in-depth knowledge of his subject and is very passionate about emissions trading; it is his reason for being here in Parliament. National has no argument with that. Our point—and James Shaw is quite right: we were always going to be arguing on the point of delaying this for a year—is that this is not business as usual, and yes, Duncan Webb and the Hon James Shaw, there is a wrong time to bring agriculture, methane emissions, into the ETS, and that wrong time is now. Further, I would say to James Shaw, who asked the rhetorical question: "Why are we passing this bill at a time of profound economic crisis?"—indeed, James Shaw, why are we? Why are we putting this cost impost on that very sector of our economy who are the ones who will bring us through this very tough time in front of us? We don't know what that looks like. We don't know how hard it's going to be. We don't know how many people are going to become unemployed, lose their jobs, lose their livelihoods, lose their homes, lose their businesses. We don't know, but we do know that it is going to happen. So why would any Government propose to impose more cost at that time? We say no. We say delay.