We heard from Dr Bill Lee of Manaaki Whenua in support of Forest & Bird, and it was just he highlighted particularly that wider public interest in high country lands on pastoral leases; the mosaic of vegetation; the significance of the species, because they're often quite distinctive species like the Brachaspis robustus, the grasshopper; the huge ecosystem-services values that the high country provides to downstream users in terms of harvesting water, for example; and the use that folk downstream make of that. So protecting these upper catchment areas, ensuring that inherent values are sustained, benefits all of us, both in terms of carbon capture, source stability, and that harvesting of water. So the discretionary consent regime, which the bill significantly changes and which the select committee is suggesting be improved further, is a critical part of safeguarding inherent values, the Crown's interest, and the public interest in the sustainable management of this land while providing for a secure long-term future for pastoral farming. 