Hon MARK MITCHELL: Well, I'd say that he's probably in exactly the same position. He inherently does not believe in or support this bill—like most Kiwis don't, because most Kiwis accept the fact that when someone has offended so badly against our community; when someone has broken the laws that we put in place that they will adhere to, that they will respect; when someone's offending has been so serious that there are victims and there is often serious violence involved and recidivist offending, they end up in a New Zealand jail.