The second question I've got is in regards to clause 5, which inserts new section 167A(6)(b)(v). This is in regards to the issue, and I think we'd just got to this point yesterday in regards to the overs and unders of the charges. It says here "the imposition and level of fees or charges are appropriate, after considering—whether the estimated revenue to be received from the charges is sufficient to meet the costs and expenses of the clean vehicle discount scheme funded under section 9(1E) and (1F) of the Land Transport Management Act". It would be good to get from the Minister an answer to the question about actually what is the cost and what is the expense of actually administering this scheme—