I have worked at Work and Income and Oranga Tamariki, albeit in a contract space and in our community for a really long time, and I can tell you I have seen the work and the commitment that the caregivers do. I've been really privileged to go to some of the caregiver Christmas do's and just be part of listening to their kōrero and them sharing what happens and some of the really hard stuff that they go through, like the Hon Louise Upston also talked about. Unfortunately, some of these tamariki that do need that care and love at that time, they don't just come with maybe a bag, they come with some other stuff as well. While our caregivers are amazing—they're there to give love and provide care and safe space and day to day care for our tamariki—they're not all counsellors or professionals in that. That work needs to happen as well for our tamariki. So our caregivers—make sure they can get them along to that, to be able to make sure that their wairua is right as well.