Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I think one of the things the member might like to reflect on, and we went through this last week, is that when quarantine-free travel is applying two ways, the volume of people crossing the Tasman will increase exponentially. So it will increase the risk on both sides of the Tasman; it will increase the number of people travelling quite considerably. That is why it is a little different to Australia's position, where at the moment the number of people arriving in Australia is still significantly constrained by the fact that border restrictions remain in New Zealand.