Hon ANDREW LITTLE: I refer the member to the answer to the primary question, which is that the budget of Pharmac does not lend itself to a technical, objective review. The budget for Pharmac is the product of decisions by the Government of the day as it puts together its total Budget and its total funding for the whole of Government. Trade-offs are needed, and we wind up where we do with Pharmac. I might add, however, that in terms of Pharmac's budget, in the period from 2014 to 2017, the Pharmac budget increased 6.9 percent; in the period 2018 to 2021, it increased 30.9 percent, because this is a Government that takes seriously the need for our population to have access to the best available medicines.