Hon NANAIA MAHUTA (Minister of Local Government): I acknowledge that there are a few councils that have best practice in regard to the treatment of whenua Māori and writing off rates for unused land. However, it's not extensive enough. Interestingly, when we made this announcement in Northland, John Carter came up to me and said, "Well, you know, effectively, these debts are sitting on our books as non-recoverable and it equates to"—at the time, he said—"around about $29 million." But he said, "The potential of having a different conversation in our region with Māori land owners, with Treaty settlements coming online, and with the Provincial Growth Fund"—at the time—"opportunities has an exponential effect." That's just one area. 