GREG O'CONNOR (Labour—Ōhāriu): Anyone can run a surplus if you don't pay the bills and don't do the maintenance. Now, a really stark example of that is you might listen to Mr Bishop's speech, and he's a very articulate young man and he can put together a good argument because he's a good debater, but it doesn't mean he's right. Your ability to put an argument bears no relationship to the truth of the argument. 