I'd also say to the member and to the House that, actually, other people experienced loss during the lockdown, lost family members. My little dog, Holly, I think many people know, had a massive stroke and ended up having to go to doggy heaven during the lockdown. We had a family member who was found to have cancer during the lockdown and couldn't receive any treatment because it was new treatment, hadn't already been started—found out about his diagnosis of stage 3 cancer on the phone. These are some of the issues that many families went through, and many had even worse situations, with a parent or a family member dying and not being able to be with that family member. That's why to find out that the quarantine of two women was so slack that they were allowed, with this COVID-19 virus, to get into a car and to drive to Wellington from Auckland—we are told from the Minister David Clark, the Minister who was lax and not present during so much of the COVID-19 lockdown, that we are supposed to believe that they didn't stop for petrol or fuel on the way. We are told that they didn't use any toilet facilities on the way. We on this side are told by a member of the public who knows of these people that they got lost on the way, that they called for help for someone they knew to come and get them on the right track, and that they greeted that person with a kiss and a hug.