The other question I have for him in relation to fair pay is in relation to—the problem is it's difficult to force the employers to get together and how you actually do that in a way that ensures that all employers are dealt with. If you were thinking of cleaners, for example, you might have a very large corporate that employed thousands of cleaners and you might also have a mum and dad operation up in the Hokianga employing two or one, and they're very different. Or if you're thinking of a shop teller or operators, you might be dealing with two duopoly supermarkets with tens of thousands of employees and little shops with three or four. The needs and requirements of both are very different. 