He also likes to say, "Well, look, as a percentage of GDP, it's similar to what New Zealand had to spend following the global financial crisis." And I think that this is perhaps the piece of analysis that best portrays his lack of understanding about what's going on in the economy right now, because following the global financial crisis (GFC), what New Zealand had was a significant demand issue. We had not enough demand in the economy, and we had high unemployment. Unemployment got over 6 percent. And what that meant was, rightly and properly, the Government of the day used its expenditure to provide income support to people and to prop up what was an ailing economy. Today, we are in the very opposite situation, where people cannot find workers and where there is record-low unemployment. So the rationale for increased expenditure in this overheated environment just isn't there. And so for the Minister of Finance to say "Oh, look, it's just like after the GFC.", I think, is to betray his ignorance.