GREG O'CONNOR (Labour—Ōhāriu): I think it was Julius Caesar who said, "I love treason but despise a traitor." And, while it may not be directly related to journalism, I think the basis of this discussion—the basis of this case—is often about how people regard the information for which the issue is being discussed. I look at some of the most recent cases: the Pandora Papers, the Panama Papers; some of the more recent whistle-blowers: Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning—even going back as far as Watergate, which someone had alluded to before. And, in each of these cases, your views on the information obtained by the particular person will often be coloured by your views on what the effect is of the information that's obtained. And so we go back to the genesis of this bill.