Hon ANDREW LITTLE: I don't disagree with the member, but, unfortunately, over many years, going right back to when that member's party was in Government, they allowed the IT systems across the network of DHBs and hospitals to run down to such a point where there is now quite a degree of variability of how data is collected on services that are provided to patients. That is why I cannot give that member an accurate figure, or a precise number, of those who have been using those services. I can give him a figure on what happens each month, but I can't distinguish from one month to the next whether somebody has had treatment over multiple months or not. That is the state of the IT systems in our health sector, which is why it urgently needs to be remediated. 