PENNY SIMMONDS (National—Invercargill): Thank you, Mr Chair. I refer to the Supplementary Order Paper from Dr Shane Reti, where he suggests the amendment of replacing, in clause 1, "Pae Ora (Healthy Futures) with "Centralising Healthcare". I believe this is actually a very important point in terms of the transparency of what is happening here. Dr Reti referred in his speech on this to what is happening in the polytechnic sector, that centralisation of the vocational education sector. So I think it is really important for the Minister to explain to us how this centralisation of healthcare is not going to repeat the mistakes that are occurring with the centralisation of the polytechnic. I think this is particularly important because in the polytech sector it has caused some disarray, but in the health sector it could be an absolutely overwhelming thing for our health sector when it is currently having to deal with the pandemic. 