So my questions to the Minister are these. Firstly, what evidence is there that there is abuse of sick leave? I think that's important. There's no point throwing epithets out that suggest that there is widespread abuse of sick leave provisions—certainly, I can give anecdotes as well, as an employer of some long period of time, but I would resist the temptation to draw a conclusion about the New Zealand workforce more broadly on the basis of anecdote. But similarly, I don't believe, and I have searched, that there is evidence yet of the phenomenon of presenteeism on a widespread basis and the data from the Southern Cross Business - New Zealand report would back that up.