Now, in respect of clause 5, she has quite a bit to say, and there's quite a substantial issue here that I do think the committee needs to examine, and I really, really do want to hear from the member in the chair, Dr Parmjeet Parmar, about this, because what clause 5 does is amend section 39—it, specifically, replaces section 39(2)(b). Now, the critique and the issue that is raised by Julia Durkin—and, you know, I at this point haven't settled on a firm view on this, but I want to hear from the member her views on it—the point that Ms Durkin raises, is that she believes that the changes to section 39(2)(b), effectively, reduce the reporting requirements, and therefore the transparency, that is applied across these organisations—which, as we've said, have taken around about $14 million of public money in Auckland. So we need a high level of transparency. 