Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, it would depend on the specifics of the family make-up. But I would also point out across a range of examples that I could also counter with where the member's tax bracket changes do not, for instance, benefit families to the same degree as, for instance, even with the reduction we've added with fuel, the family tax credit increase, the Best Start payment increase. It will come down to the circumstances of those families. Bottom line: the member's proposals, which for some families on very low incomes delivers $2, in many cases won't deliver the same amount as our changes, and, also, he has not demonstrated how he will pay for them and continue to provide the healthcare and the other range of services that Governments are obliged to provide. [Member interjects]