We should be asking ourselves at the end of this whole debate, "Why do we have to be here under urgency, rushing this legislation through, while, fundamentally, the Labour Party, despite its deep union roots, has not been able to settle agreements in time and they had to use the big sledgehammer and said to the unions, 'If you guys don't agree, then we'll just legislate it and your pay rates will be set in statute, mate.' " That must be a terribly difficult conversation for them, but nevertheless that's the conversation they've had to have and that's what's brought us here.