Really, what's at the heart of the criticism from the National Party and the ACT Party is a kind of ideological belief—a religion—that really permeated economics departments from the 1980s and 1990s. Despite Mr Seymour's claim for the evidence to be on his side, it actually really isn't, and I refer Mr Seymour to papers by the IMF and others who have talked about where the ideology around neoliberalism actually went too far and has resulted in less economic growth and has resulted in less efficiency. Perfect examples of this are the privatised trains in Britain, which require heavier subsidies than they did when they were publicly run; the privatised health system in the United States, which delivers healthcare at a far higher cost than countries that have public health systems. 