Furthermore, is the Minister confident that the leadership of Kāinga Ora has taken her concerns seriously in light of this email which I am about to read? This email says, "I feel compelled to email you this morning, Nicola. I work in a share space and I am surrounded by an increasing number of employees of Government departments, most of them from Kāinga Ora." The email goes on to say, "While I was getting my coffee today from the kitchen beside one of our conference rooms, I observed laughing and joking from the main boardroom. It was one of the regular Kāinga Ora team meetings, and it soon became clear to me that the topic of conversation was the current Arena Williams - Kāinga Ora email saga. What was also clear to me was they all, including senior members, consider this a bit of a joke, and the tone and theme of conversation was 'Bummer we got caught—bit of a laugh.', etc., which indicates to me that this event is clearly not being taken seriously with the agency." I would like the Minister to respond to that.