I know of one personal case where a young man, who actually took up with a gang, ended up giving evidence against his fellow gang members. He did his bit, and would have appeared to have established for himself a normal life. He actually gave up the drink and found a religion, and it looked like he was actually going to be heading to a life perhaps away from that, given he had that fresh start in life. I got a phone call from him on a Monday evening to tell me that he'd changed his life around and he was ready to go. I was driving home on the Friday night, and I heard that someone had killed his two children and his neighbour in Hokianga, and I immediately knew intuitively who it was going to be. I rang the then Detective Inspector Viv Rickard, who was running the inquiry, and told him what I knew, and he was very surprised that I knew. That was the person who then, obviously, was a classic case of a young man who had, basically, gone over the edge—an absolutely horrific crime. 