You need to take a social investment approach to it. You need to get into people's lives much earlier. I saw this working on the East Coast of New Zealand. I spent 10 years policing on the East Coast of New Zealand from Ruatōria down to Wairoa. If you want to have a front-row seat into the social issues that this country faces and continues to face, go and try and work on the East Coast of New Zealand; it's tough. It's a tough area. I realised very, very quickly as a young policeman—I didn't know what social investment really meant then. But one day the light bulb came on when I'd been called to a job where a young guy had broken into a car. He was prospecting for the Mongrel Mob there, and I tracked him with the dog, we caught him, we took him back to the police station. I had him in the charge room, and we had a charge sheet there we had to fill out, I said, "What's your occupation?"—he was only 17. I said, "What's your occupation?" He said, "Unemployed." I said, "But that's not an occupation." I said, "You know, what do you do for a job?", and he said, "No, that's my job: unemployed." He said, "That's what my dad does as well." His dad was a patched up member of the Mongrel Mob. The light bulb went on right there and then, and I realised that this young guy who should've been full of aspiration and should've had the education and the support and the mentoring to allow him to take advantage of all the incredible opportunities that exist in this country was instead on a pathway into the criminal justice system, because that's the environment that he'd been born into. If you want to change the system, if you want to stop young Māori coming into our criminal justice system, we have to be committed to a social investment model, where we invest in their lives much earlier—not come into this House with a piece of legislation, repeal it, and throw it out because you think that's going to deal with the problem. It's not going to deal with the problem. All it's going to do is it's going to put more serious offenders back out on the street and put the community and the public at risk.