So I think I'll simply close by again highlighting that on this side of the House, we're not convinced that these fundamental tensions will be resolved in a way that is helpful, that of the role of the lawyer. In particular, we fear that there will be an increase in time, not a reduction, by requiring and encouraging greater involvement of the lawyer in this, as opposed to experts such as those in the realm of psychology, and so forth. Of course, in relation to the child, we do sound a note of caution about the intent of maximising involvement potentially being one that is limited at best and potentially actively counter-productive when a child is over-exposed to negative matters in what is already, of course, a stressful situation. So I'll end my contribution there, reiterating the position, as already stated by our first speaker on the bill, the Hon Simon Bridges, that we cannot support it.