If we want to talk about child poverty reduction, which we are more than happy to on this side of the House, the benefit increases that we passed through the Budget in 2021, and we are now seeing the full realisation of since 1 April, will see up to another 33,000 children lifted out of poverty. To us, those are the figures that we want to be looking at. That member the Hon Louise Upston said that their party thinks employment is the best way out of poverty; our side, this Government, is the Government that not only invested in income support and increasing income adequacy for the poorest New Zealanders but, at the same time, has put an emphasis and focus, finally, on investing in employment, front-line, work-focused case management, upskilling and training opportunities for people who are on benefits. That was something that was neglected by the previous Government, and we need to make that point very clearly.