GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour—Hutt South): Thank you very much to the member Maureen Pugh and I take on board fully your comments in relation to small business. I acknowledge readily that there has been an inordinate amount of pressure that the Government has responded to. And I know for a fact that through the wage subsidy, in rounds one, two, three, and four, those businesses continue to receive support in the areas they need to. Saying that, many have been in a position of a really dire time. I'd like to balance those concerns of small businesses with those of families in New Zealand—with those mums and dads and families who have gone through lockdown, who have had babies, who have had miscarriages in one of the most unprecedented times in New Zealand's history. So while I appreciate, yes, businesses are under pressure, so are many New Zealanders in their day-to-day lives, and it's important to have the compassion and the understanding so that our people can grieve and get on with life in a timely way. And what is good for people is also good for business.