Hon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health): As the member will understand, as I'm not a member of the committee, I did not see Professor Gorman's submission. I have seen reports of what he said, though—some of which I agree with, such as his comment that there had been chronic under-investment in public health. I disagree with his view that we were "spectacularly complacent". The Government and New Zealanders have taken this pandemic incredibly seriously. We have gone hard and early, and we have collectively managed to stop community transfer of COVID-19, for now.