MPI also needs a major change in culture if the system is to be robust. We have seen what happened with the swamp kauri debacle in Aotearoa where it took the Northland Environmental Protection Society—taking MPI all the way to the Supreme Court—to establish that the export of sawn planks did not qualify as finished products or tabletops as the swamp kauri miners were claiming. And that was NGOs again. So there needs to be, behind this bill, a complete change in MPI's culture so that the legislation, when it's passed, is actually properly enforced, because we need to stop this illegal logging. The life of the forests depends on it. The lives and wellbeing of indigenous communities who depend on those forests also depend on it. The bill needs to be significantly strengthened. Kia ora.