Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Yes, and, of course, you would expect that. In these periods you do see, for instance, fewer, often, taking up skills and trade training, because they have employment opportunities. That has not stopped us from seeing, since we came into Government, 190,000 people taking up free apprenticeships and targeted trade training—a 55 percent increase in the number of apprentices since the pandemic—and I know that, given the member is very outcomes-focused, 3,100 young people are in employment or training because of He Poutama Rangatahi, and 4,700 in employment because of Mana in Mahi. These are young people taking the opportunities available to them in meaningful training and education.