Hon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs): Thank you, Madam Chair. I clearly have a great deal more respect for the member's colleagues than he does, given that the National Party held the balance of power on the committee that dealt with this bill over the normal period that one would expect to deal with a bill, and a departmental report was produced and considered by members, and I consider that the advice that they passed through to be quite good. Now, I'll leave that for the member to discuss with his own colleagues if he thinks they've done a shoddy job in that select committee process such as it was. I actually think the outcome and the advice that's come through from officials to be pretty sound and I can spell it out again for the member that penalties will not count towards the threshold as they would not have been expected.