Hon JAMES SHAW (Minister of Climate Change): Thank you, Madam Speaker. Look, I'd like to just start my contribution to this debate with a few ripostes to some of what I've heard before, such as the recent plan to reduce New Zealand's total greenhouse gas emissions by reducing the number of flights that members of Parliament take. I mean, if there was ever a virtue signalling, that would be it. I also would like to mention what it is that some of our trading partners are doing, because one of the things I just heard was that we should tag our ambitions to the ambitions of other countries around the world. 