Getting down to level 1 is indeed a move that should be based on science. I add to this discussion that, coincidentally, I have two daughters who live in overseas countries—one in Sydney, one in Taipei—and both countries had a much lower grade of lockdown compared to New Zealand. In particular, I was quite amazed with the fact that Taipei, which is 23 million - plus people in one-seventh the land size of New Zealand, had actually performed better in terms of dealing with the pandemic. So there is science to be discussed about what really should be and how fast level 1 should be allowed.