Further to this, if the family wanted to seek religious guidance, and they were, say, Salvationists, they won't get that advice; they would not even get prayer. And why is this? Well, the regulatory impact statement says, "Conversion practices that take the form of prayer and counselling that are directed towards an individual would be captured by the preferred option." And, of course, we are now dealing with this—the preferred option. We recognise the accusations that some religious conversion therapies are a big part of the problem, but we need to find the line between criminal actions and the ability to converse. And the job of the select committee will be to determine if those lines have been drawn in the right place. And, at the moment, we don't believe that they have.