CHRIS PENK (National—Kaipara ki Mahurangi): Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm grateful to have the opportunity to engage in a debate that's clearly hugely important on a number of different levels. The substantive risks and the stakes could hardly be higher, as the Hon Michael Woodhouse has alluded to. But constitutionally too, this is a hugely important moment for our democracy, our nation State—dare I say it. I don't want to overdramatise, but we face a very fundamental question in this House today of who makes the rules, as a distinct question from who makes the rulings. 