Second readings are about the submissions, and I want to bring voice to one submission, and that is from the Young Nats. The Young Nats have been championing the banning of conversion practices since late 2019, and I want to acknowledge them for all their advocacy. It is difficult, I think, having different views, especially when those differing views are within your own caucus, but I think that it's important that we do debate them. I want to acknowledge Stephanie-Anne Ross, the president of the New Zealand Young Nationals, and Madison Chamberlain, the national policy chair of the New Zealand Young Nationals. They were very clear in their submission on why they supported the banning of conversion practices, which is that "There is no evidence that conversion practices work.", and I think that when you look at some of the institutions—the Aotearoa New Zealand Association of Social Workers, the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists, and the New Zealand Association of Counsellors—this practice does not work and actually causes harm.