De-escalation is what we must be looking to for all of these incidents involving first responders. I know that I have family members who have been assaulted in the course of their work as medics, as doctors, and as nurses. They do not agree with this offence, because of the way it creates an us-and-them scenario. Ginny Andersen has pointed out the hierarchy of aggravated factors in offending, and she has also pointed out the fact that aggravation can be taken into account in sentencing. We don't want to become a society that just slaps mandated sentences on to groups of people because we think that's an easy sticking plaster for the conditions that create these situations in the first place. The conditions that lead to offending are complex, they involve lots of whys, they involve lots of equity issues, and there is a mechanism for the judges to look at all of those facts and take all of those facts into accounts when sentencing. That is the correct approach.