I thought it was telling to listen to the outgoing COVID-19 response Minister, Chris Hipkins—actually, it was really telling to listen to him on the weekend, when he said he thinks, "Probably we could have stepped down some restrictions a bit faster." Has this guy been to Auckland? Does he know what Aucklanders went through? Does he understand the loss of business, the mental health suffering? And he says, "Actually, we probably didn't need to do all of that." Really? This guy is now either trying to clear his own conscience now that he's not the Minister and not responsible for Government policy and not responsible to the Prime Minister, or the Labour Party is trying to eat their cake and have it too by saying, "Look, if you don't like the way we responded, look at Chris Hipkins, and if you do like the way we responded, look at Ayesha Verrall, because we're going to keep on restricting people anyway."