Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Police): I'll get a little bit further information to answer Nicole McKee's question, and I'll endeavour to do so in a moment. But I do want to pick up Mark Mitchell's question. I have to say, I did take pause with this question because the answer seems so obvious. The police generally are pretty bright. And so if someone is possessing a firearm, for example, and they are found to be in possession of a firearm, then clearly they are in breach of the legislation. If they are using a firearm, then they are in breach of the legislation. So I'm not entirely sure what he's kind of getting at where he's trying to determine whether or not the police would be bright enough to determine that someone possessing a firearm might be in breach. I think they make those sorts of judgments all day, every day.