I think Mr Goldsmith's arguments are largely about a fundamental objection to the bill, rather than particular provisions here—a fundamental objection to there being collective bargaining that occurs and an assumption that is always going to result in burdensome cost and complication. I just repeat my comment before that many other sectors are able to manage that, and this process has been arrived at through a joint good-faith process. I think that people in the sector would reject his assertion that hard-working, innovative producers and companies "rely on the goodwill of the Government". It's a bit like Mr Luxon's comment that businesses in New Zealand are soft, somehow. These are serious, innovative, creative, successful businesses and organisations who have come together, sat down with unions and guilds, and agreed on a positive and productive way forward in this area, and a fundamental part of that is the ability to access collective bargaining, as most other workers in New Zealand can. 