Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): I think that's a very fair question. The way the early childhood education licensing regime works at the moment, we've seen significant and rapid expansion of some very high-quality early childhood education providers—and no one should want that to stop. But we've also seen some expansion of providers who are not providing a high-quality early childhood education. So under the current licensing regime, if a provider has conditions placed on their licence in one service, i.e., there are quality concerns around them, there's nothing to stop them continuing to open new services, even though we know they are not a quality provider. So these provisions are designed to ensure that a service that is not a quality provider—the provisions the member's specifically referenced—can't continue to proliferate the number of services they own. On the other hand, if they are providing a quality service, that should be a factor that's taken into account in the licensing. 