These comparisons get made by the public and by us and questions arise, because Minister Faafoi has no apparent strategy to deliver the common-sense outcomes that Kiwis expect. And not only that, he presides over a COVID committee that's shrouded in some kind of thick fog of secrecy. We have no idea of how they're making their decisions, who they are issuing exemptions to, and how these cases even get to that COVID committee. Every time we have an Official Information Act request or a question that we put, it is denied, refused, or redacted. This lack of transparency, this opaque decision-making process, sees Ministers and officials make calls with a lack of transparent criteria and the lack of the assessment of the opportunity cost, because the opportunity cost in many cases is a terrible human cost.