Hon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE: Oh, are we going to talk about numbers now. It's a pity the Minister of Finance isn't in the House, because with one—[Multiple members interject] Oh, here we go—here we go. Let's talk about numbers. Let's talk about 12: the number of Labour MPs that on the Colmar Brunton poll who won't be here in two years' time. And let me tell the Minister of Justice, because he'll be one of them anyway—he's probably going to go voluntarily—that that number will be a damn sight larger. So I'm very happy to talk about numbers. The Minister of Transport is wrong, but let's assume just for a moment that he's not, and that my estimates of average patronage were out by a factor of four, that makes the service 65 percent lower, nearly two-thirds lower than the business case that he says made it viable said it needed. It isn't viable. There's no amount of dancing on the head of that pin, Mr Wood, that is going to make Te Huia work. It's not Te Huia; it's a white elephant. What we would have—and the good people of Hamilton know that a service that leaves at the right time, that gets to Auckland in the right time, and isn't slower than the cars they're trying to get out of—would be supported. It's not. It's a bad idea, it needs a better Minister of Transport, and I think the next member for Hamilton East would make a very good candidate for that role.