Despite the fact that one in four New Zealand women have a miscarriage, it is still considered a taboo in our society today. It is still seen as the strange, secret birth that is also a death, exactly how Kathryn described it. At a time when a woman is dealing with the physical and the emotional loss that comes with the unexpected end of a pregnancy, there is still stigma in New Zealand today around asking for help. Kathryn also spoke of her anger—her anger at the lack of information that was available on miscarriage, her anger at the taboo of miscarriage, and her anger that the Holidays Act did not specifically provide for either stillbirth or miscarriage as a justified reason to have bereavement leave.