Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: People have varying situations, circumstances, and we need to take that into account. What we do know is that it's really important to put the investment in early, and what we do know is that when we took over the reins of office, there had been an under-investment in front-line case management work-focused work. As a result of our investments, we are seeing more people exit off benefit into work. We did not reach the heights of 487,000 people on benefit, as had been forecast by Treasury.