Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Well, it's interesting that the member opposite would rather that the arts and creative sector in New Zealand withered away in the face of COVID. Providing support to our artists and our creatives to be able to get through COVID, when many of the opportunities they had to generate income were taken away by COVID-19, is an extremely responsible thing to do. It is quite clear the member and his party do not care for the artists and creatives in New Zealand; we do.