BARBARA KURIGER (National—Taranaki - King Country): Thank you, Mr Speaker. Well, I'm just not sure that any of the members that I've heard speaking on the other side of the House understand their own piece of legislation. There's been some really, really interesting statements in the last couple of speeches. I heard Kieran McAnulty get up and go, "Councils can't afford this, so let the Government do it. It won't cost these ratepayers anything." So how would Mr McAnulty describe the $2.5 billion that's been given to councils as the encouragement to support these reforms? Where did that money come from? Maybe money grows on trees in the Wairarapa, but it certainly doesn't where most of us come from. 