I'm interested also to just flesh out a little bit of the Minister's thinking around the operation of the new offences and penalties that are created by the bill. It's one of its key features. So for those who haven't had the benefit of reading it closely, I'll note, for the sake of the debate, that the bill does create new criminal offences, including misleading an agency to obtain access to someone else's information or destroying a document containing personal information, with the context being that it was known that a request had been made. There are penalties of up to $10,000, which is considerably higher than the fines under the current legislation. So no small matter, but that's appropriate if we regard privacy as a serious matter of protection, or indeed as a human right, as I characterised it earlier.