Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: As I said, New Zealand has always been committed to assist with the roll-out of vaccines across the world. We are not safe until everyone is safe. New Zealand has taken a position—a realistic one—that believes that there should be a TRIPS waiver for vaccines, but if the request that has come from two nations in particular extends across all medical products related to it, that will be very difficult to get through the WTO. We would rather push for and successfully get a TRIPS waiver on vaccines. It will be very difficult to go beyond that. So we believe that it's better to get the first, rather than to lose out on all of it.