Hon LOUISE UPSTON (National—Taupō): Thank you, Madam Speaker. It's probably about 95 percent of what the former speaker said that I completely agree with, and I think one of the challenges when we are in Parliament is we are actually debating what is in the bill as opposed to what the intent of the original bill was. I think that's a big part of the frustration for the National Partly because, absolutely, we condemn conversion therapy. We condemn abusive practices that prevent someone from being who they are and from loving who they choose to love. I want to make it very clear that the National Party wants to support the bill, but the issue that was raised and that the Minister has not been able to answer is the question of the prosecution of parents. That was asked of the Minister and he hasn't been able to answer that simple question so the reality for the National Party is we absolutely support the intent of it but to be responsible parliamentarians we must look at: what does the bill actually say and do?