In relation to Mr Jamie Strange, who spoke previously to me about the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals, I've been to New York a number of times and I've sat in those meetings and they're all laudable what they want, but, fundamentally, what New Zealanders want is a job, somebody to love them—as I think Deborah Russell said—some shelter, and a sense of safety; that's really what they want. They're not interested in what the United Nations is saying—they're not interested in the United Nations. When you boil it down, all this is is diluting targets that the Reserve Bank and a whole lot of other people have to measure because the fluff gets so murky that they don't know who the master is.