I do note the member Agnes Loheni's reference to abortion on demand up to birth. It's a sad trope that gets trotted out by the anti-abortionists about abortion up to birth. There is no abortion up to birth; there never has been abortion up to birth in New Zealand. We regulate in relation to up to 20 weeks. When the Law Commission was looking at the question about where you put the threshold, it was all about fetal viability.