I am extremely proud of Air New Zealand. I think it is an airline that has served New Zealand well. It's had its ups and downs. Many of those downs, Mr Seymour, is when the Government did exit from it, and then what happened? Michael Cullen had to come in and rescue it because it had gone wrong. Mr Seymour has this absolutely blind ideological view that if the private sector's running it, it'll be brilliant, and if the public sector's running it it won't work. Well, that didn't happen in Air New Zealand, Mr Seymour, and the Government had to step in and sort it out.