The other claim the Minister made: he said about this bill, it is going to keep guns out of the hands of gangs. Well, here's the thing. There are no firearms prohibition orders in this bill. There are lots of provisions about the rules around whether a law-abiding person should be allowed to have a firearms licence. And here's the evidence: the Minister sat on a select committee in the last term of Parliament, they'd heard evidence out of Australia that 90 percent of offences involving firearms are undertaken by people that don't have a licence, and that's borne out in everything we see and hear in the media in New Zealand as well. The gang members committing offences with firearms aren't licensed. They're certainly not licensed for the semi-automatic rifles they're still using, nor the pistols that they've been using.