One of the challenges with this group of workers is that across the roughly 10,000 of them, there are about 70 different occupations; anything from a trainee technician earning just above the minimum wage to a medical physicist on about $155,000 a year. The average base pay for this group of workers, to the extent that an average is meaningful, is about $80,000. The problem with the pay equity claim, which is about addressing sex-based discrimination and remuneration is that some, if not many, of these workers may not see much difference in their pay. It's for this reason that the district health boards rejected the claim earlier this year for a $12,000 lump sum payment for all workers in anticipation of the pay equity claim being settled. I continue to urge the union and employers to work on trying to reach a fair and principled agreement. The member will be aware that under the Public Service Act, as well as the Cabinet Manual, employers in the public sector must manage employment matters independently of Ministers.