Hon JUDITH COLLINS: Well, the member laughs about that and I think, you know, she's quite right to have a giggle about it. But I've actually met with people who came out of that and they came to New Zealand and they found that they didn't understand that people would actually go out and do things just to help others. They lived under a State that said you had to do it, and if you didn't have to do it then you didn't do it. So I think we do need to respect that when people join up to these incorporated societies—because we are sort of a joining sort of culture here in New Zealand; we like to join things, meet people and be part of things—we need to make sure that we don't make it too difficult for them to do so or too expensive.