ARENA WILLIAMS: I withdraw and apologise. What I intended to say was that that member said that there was a disrespectful and deceitful start to the committee that was the Pae Ora Legislation Committee. I wish to bring a perspective: that those specialised committees have an important role in generating the kind of debate which is consensus building in this House, and engaging on technical points of law. I thank the committee, the clerks, the submitters, for rising to the challenge of this new mechanism that we have.