In respect of the previous question of the member opposite, the new section 461OA(1), set out in clause 7, is amended so that the size of a listed issuer of quoted debt securities is measured by the face value of their quoted debt securities at any time during the last two accounting periods, instead of the value of their net assets as at the balance date of those two accounting periods. A listed issuer of both quoted debt securities and quoted equity securities will be a large listed issuer if they are large in terms of the value of their equity securities or in terms of the face value of their debt securities or both. But you cannot combine equity and debt securities for that total, and the amount that must be exceeded is $60 million. 