Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: If the member is trying to assert that we would be in a better position under National, they don't need to make an estimate; they just need to look at the facts. The facts were that debt was sitting at 22.9 percent, that unemployment was over 4 percent, that wage growth was lower than it is now, which has reached some of the highest levels we've seen in the last 10 years at 3.6 percent. No matter what measure you use, we are better placed now under this Government than we were under the last one, and that means we are well prepared to deal with what we are now heading into, which is a global impact from COVID-19. I would also want to reflect to this member that this is a time when New Zealand is about to run into a turbulent storm and it would be helpful, I think, for the member not to talk down New Zealand's situation right now.