They have some financial challenges themselves, and the local community, I think, is well aware of the difficulties that the Western Institute of Technology at Taranaki faces. So I think members should be quite careful in arguing that we shouldn't do anything, when, in fact, what's that likely to result in is a decline in the level of training that's available all the way around the country. The other arguments put forward by members are all a variance on the same theme and I think I've already addressed those.