DAVID SEYMOUR: Well, I just heard "Rubbish.", and I'm not sure if it was Andrew Bayly or Michael Woodhouse, and I apologise to Andrew Bayly for accusing him of saying that. If the policy is to actually narrow the tax base and make it more progressive, well, one reason that I'd really caution Andrew Bayly and ask him to think carefully about whether he really wants to advance this is that, in some future universe, when there's a different Government in place, and that Government sets about saying, "How can we get to a lower, flatter tax regime that's less distortionate?", then the question that's going to be asked is "Well, we could but, sadly, because we reduced the tax rates at the base, because we narrowed the tax base, our ability to have a lower, flatter tax regime is less than what it would otherwise be."