Democracy is meant to be about listening to the power and the voices of the people. New Zealanders, in particular those who have worked in this sector—the fact is that those very persons are giving evidence before the royal commission of inquiry, which this Government has totally dispensed with and said "It's not relevant; we will pick up the pieces later." Yesterday, the chief executive of Oranga Tamariki gave evidence, continued that today. A total of some 43 witnesses in this oversight, care and protection system, which this Government for some reason has turned a blind eye and a deep ear to, in listening to the power, the significance, the relevance, and the importance of their evidence to say to this Government: take heed, take heart. 