I listened to a number of the speakers say, "Well, I've read about this and I've heard that this happens." On our farm, we exported livestock, so I haven't read about it; I've seen it. Then I went and spoke to farmers that are doing this live export and asked them what would be the impact. That's how I heard that there would be more bobby calves killed. So instead of these lofty aspirations that we've heard from the other side, lofty aspirations about how wonderful this is going to be for our livestock welfare—I even heard from one member on the Government side say how this would be so much better, banning sheep. Does she even know that the basis of this tragedy was cows, not sheep? If she was the reporter for some Hawke's Bay newspaper, I'd doubt very much if they got much accurate out of that reporter.