ERICA STANFORD: She used to like them—that's true, Mr Simpson. She used to like them. She used to advocate for them, but in the three years, we've seen hardly any additional cameras on fishing boats, and our seabirds—especially some of those that are very threatened—continue to perish. It would be helpful for the Minister to explain to us: is it the same to-ing and fro-ing with the Minister of Fisheries and the fishing interests with certain parties in her governing arrangements that are pushing back against having cameras on fishing boats to protect our seabirds? 