But if you needed a reason to actually realise why we are banning the live export of animals, I recommend to every New Zealander to read the last submission of the 640 that we heard in the Primary Production Committee. That was made by an anonymous submitter who—and I will read just a small bit from it, but I recommend you read it before you make any more comment: "The following submission reflects my recent journey in the last 18 months as an experienced cattle veterinarian on board a live export ship carrying thousands of cattle to China." During this visit, this experienced veterinarian speaks about the harrowing ordeal that was experienced on the ship just recently. This ship was a container vessel, and these container vessels that were converted represent the most vessels that come into New Zealand. In fact, actually, it says here purpose-built vessels in the last two years were used 23 times and converted vessels were used 27 times. So the majority of these ships are converted container vessels. This vet talked about having to euthanise cattle, this vet talked about the conditions, the heat stress, and several things that had to be spoken about anonymously.