In terms of the conflict of interest, one of the things that I questioned when I initially read the bill information was that, when anyone is involved in an organisation, whether it's actually a company or a trust or anything, when there is a conflict of interest, they declare it; they actually declare the conflict. But preventing them from being involved in the decision-making process, if the committee or the board are not too worried about the conflict of interest because it doesn't impact on the work, I think is necessary, and I think it's probably a good move to get those people who are often in a very small grouping in an incorporated society. As the Hon Todd McClay actually said, there are some societies like rugby clubs that have humungous amounts of income versus some societies that only literally deal with hundreds of dollars or a couple of thousand.