Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: The member will know that we are a Government who is very wise to the impact of spending decisions. That is why we actually focused on making sure that whilst we invested in our people, we also got debt down relative to where it was left by the last Government. But the member also, I've noticed, has proposed significant amounts of spending, and if the member now sounds like he is also proposing that there should be no debt, that suggests to me that he is, potentially, suggesting cuts to other services.