But I want to come now to a very serious point, and that was the fact that Air New Zealand appeared in front of the select committee this year, in February, and we had the new chief executive officer, Greg Foran and Dame Therese Walsh. I wanted to acknowledge them and thank them for the front-line services that Air New Zealand do provide us as a country, and I asked them this question: "There's a couple of things I want to explore around the loan facility that's been set up by the Government between … [them] and the Government, understanding that they are … [a] major shareholder. … I just wanted to seek some clarity around the fact that, at the onset of COVID-19, you secured a $900 million loan facility from the Government at 7 percent to 9 percent interest rate. That was in two tranches, the first being 600k at 7 percent, and the second 300k at 8 … [and] with both rates increasing to 1 percent, or a 1 percent increase if the facility remained after 12 months. Around the same time, Qantas secured financing in Australia of a bit over a billion dollars [that's] in Australian dollars, at [a rate of] 2.75 percent for up to 10 years." And when you convert that into salaries and wages, that's $50 million that we could have saved if we had entered into an agreement like that with the New Zealand Government.