Hon JAMES SHAW: Well, I mean, it was his question; so I want to make sure he's making notes; so I want to make sure he gets all the details. It would introduce a cost of 1c per kilo on milk solids in the year 2025, right, compared with, say, changes in Fonterra payouts of between 40c and 60c per year, on average, since 2017. So, again, it's really at the margins, and what Fonterra decides to do makes many orders of magnitude more difference than what this does.