SIMON O'CONNOR (National—Tāmaki): Thank you very much, Mr Chair. Look, it won't be any surprise to the committee that I oppose this bill. I think one of the things I've noticed in initial contributions is the assiduous avoidance of the fact that we're talking about an unborn child, and when we try to reconcile that with discussions here around human rights, it's the inescapable fact that what is gestating is a human child. I have yet to see any scientific evidence of a woman giving birth to anything other than a human child.