CHRIS BISHOP: $28.9 billion by 2033. It will have $2.4 billion of accounting losses from July this year through to 2026, and negative net operating cash flow from the 2024-25 year. There is clearly concern from the MHUD officials—quite rightly, I think—at these facts, and I've only read out three of them from this very detailed briefing. The talking points provided for the Minister for her meeting with Kāinga Ora talk about financial sustainability, and there is actually a suggestion in the briefing that Kāinga Ora may be breaching its obligations under the Crown Entities Act 2004 to be a financially sustainable Crown entity. I think this is the briefing that, essentially, led to the questions from my colleague Jan Logie around the home heating programme and accessibility improvements, because it was that briefing that led to the suggestion that there may be cuts to various accessibility improvements, which I think is a legitimate question from Ms Logie. 