Hon JAMES SHAW (Minister of Climate Change): Before I respond directly to the member's question, I do want to note that Mr Burgess is a parliamentary staff member for the National Party and I don't believe it's appropriate to bring staff into parliamentary debate. However, as the member has asked the question, my answer to the first part is: no, and to the second: because he is wrong. I note that Mr Burgess' boss, Nicola Willis, said earlier today in the emissions budget debate that, "We continue to believe that the emissions trading scheme will be a very important part of how emission[s] reduction[s] is achieved. We also acknowledge that there will be a very important place for complementary policies alongside the emissions trading scheme—for example, catalysing the market around networks such as in electric vehicle charging, and potentially in other areas."