I put it this way: when the Government thinks that the costs of saving a quality-adjusted life here from COVID, is it weighing those up against what it is prepared to spend to save a quality-adjusted life here from other things? Because in normal times, just about every day that we meet here in the House, it seems like there will be a group of families of patients who would love to be able to get their hands on a particular pharmaceutical, but because of the envelope that Pharmac has to fund them, they can't, and often they face real suffering, even at their lives' end. Everything that we spend on fighting COVID, we can't spend on doing that. 