CHLÖE SWARBRICK: So when it comes to what we are trying to achieve here—it is contained within the bill; it is contained within the bill, Nicola Willis—there will be the establishment of the New Zealand Institute of Skills and Training. The pathway, the transitional means by which we get there, is laid out in one of the explanatory notes within the commentary, which states—and I quote—"Initially, each polytechnic would become a Crown entity subsidiary of NZIST, until its undertakings transferred to NZIST (or another NZIST subsidiary) by the end of 2022." The really important thing to recognise about that, if you speak to people who are in the thick of the sector, is that this offers an opportunity for a sense of contraction, to get an understanding of the environments that these vocational providers are operating in, and then to expand in a conscious and meaningful way, whereby we have a network of joined-up providers. 