So I acknowledge the concerns that were raised in the Supplementary Order Paper from Nicole McKee, but in order to make sure we have a full picture of what we're trying to achieve here, not only just being trained and suitably qualified to represent the lawyer, again, also having an understanding of some of their cultural competencies, their experience, but also that personality and getting the right fit. I think, as we can all imagine, there would be a range of children in different situations and willingness to be able to partake in a Care of Children Act process. Some may be freer to participate in that and give their views. Some may need a little more sensitivity and coaxing to have their views expressed, and I think that's some of the thinking behind why there is such a broad description within clause 7 as it stands.