Now, what I want to know from the member in charge of this bill is what the purpose of this legislation is in contrast to simply having members of Ngāi Tahu sitting around the table. I can use a very local example, Mr Tirikatene. The Westland District Council has been building its relationship with Ngāi Tahu—Makaawhio, Ngāti Waewae—over many years, and they have been invited to sit round the council table, and they do. They are a treasured partner in the local democracy, and there is no issue that has come before that council where those representatives have been able to present their case in support or opposition, where the council has opposed their view. They are valued partners, their opinions matter, but they do not need the special privilege of having an appointment and a paid position on the council in order to influence. And that is because relationships have been built over time. It is not being done by stealth, and I think the democratic role that the other councillors play on the council gives credence to the voices of the public and it gives respect to Ngāti Waewae and Makaawhio, and I think that is how you govern together. But this, Mr Tirikatene—and the other alert that we had, which came up in the select committee, was a submission that was made by a Ngāi Tahu representative who said that this is the first step towards co-governance. And so I ask again: if this is the absolute purpose of this bill, have the honesty to stand up and say so to the people of this country, because they deserve to know where this is heading. Thank you, Madam Chair.