I believe that around New Zealand, those conversations are already well and truly happening in a very healthy way, but the very purpose of this bill is that we know that there are examples of that happening in a very unhealthy way that have caused physical and mental harm to New Zealanders who know who they want to be but have been prevented or convinced that the way that they feel about their identity is not right. I would stress that again to Mr Woodhouse around the fundamental human rights argument but also the medical argument and the current right of people at 16 to make their own independent decisions around their medical treatment, and making sure that that happens in a healthy environment. I believe that that SOP does not go to that and goes against the purposes of the bill. I look forward to the questions through the rest of the debate.