Here on this side of the House, I accept your argument that, yes, the police have a mandate to arrest them and the police do a good job. I absolutely accept that. The gangs aren't the police's fault; the fault lies with the Government who have not given the police the mandate to lock offenders up. In fact, the mandate is actually catch and release. There is an explicit objective from this Government to reduce the number of people in prison. If you think that that's not having an impact on the way criminals view our society, then you would be wrong. We have to look at this problem and be realistic about the Government's role in it, and Stuart Nash knows it, and that's why he spent so long apologising for it in that speech.