Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister for COVID-19 Response): I think the member somewhat contradicts his own argument when he says that we shouldn't have the traffic light system any more, we should just take the rules that we have under the traffic light system and call it something else. Ultimately, we have the traffic light system in place at the moment because we're still dealing with a global pandemic, and we're trying to reduce the number of people that get COVID-19. 