It's extraordinary to me that not only the ACT Party are saying that but Mr Luxon, the day after that on his 1News interview, said, "I think that's a very good point in there. I think we have over the period of this Government built up a huge amount of bureaucracy." Again, I point to the fact that any disabled person who is hearing those comments would think how little the National Party and ACT Party think of them and their aspirations. 