Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: One of the things that we have to bear in mind is that we need to keep our healthcare workers, and where there is a mandatory vaccination requirement put in place, you have to be willing for the fact that you might lose some of those workers who are unwilling to be vaccinated, and our health system is under a significant amount of pressure. We have found, as we found with our border workforce, that before moving to a mandatory vaccination requirement, it is best first to start with the "educate and encourage" approach, and you can get quite a high degree of the way there—potentially, a further way there—than if you start immediately at the mandatory vaccination - requirement end of the spectrum.