Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: To be very clear for those who are confused: anyone who is at risk at becoming long-term unemployed and who'll benefit from Mana in Mahi is potentially eligible for the programme. In fact, 15 percent of participants are over the age of 25, with more than 50 people over the age of 30. In terms of measuring the success of the Mana in Mahi programme, each participant who starts a placement is in full-time employment from day one. The fact that 80 percent of people who started Mana in Mahi, 50 of whom had already spent more than two years on a benefit, have not returned to a benefit highlights the success of the programme.