It's quite difficult to find a genuine path that would give us an effective bill that balances the legislation in a way that we are all seeking. By not excluding parental conversations outright, the Government, effectively, creates a fear about the authority the Government is giving to itself via the Attorney-General being able to place his role directly into our homes, making decisions about the conversations that are being held as a parent with a minor and whether or not a prosecution could entail. So we just don't believe that the balance there had been met. But on the other side of this discussion, we also recognise the harm of conversion practices, as experienced by individuals and families—the balancing against harm experienced by the LGBTQIA+ community, because this community also has rights as individuals. They should be able to be themselves without interference, without harm being placed against them. They also have the right to have autonomy over themselves. 