Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: I think that all of us in this House would like to see the elimination of poverty and hardship in Aotearoa New Zealand, but what we also understand is that we need to take steps towards addressing it and be focused on reducing it if we're going to make the progress and the traction that we all want to make. There's no way of just clicking our fingers and getting to the point where poverty and hardship are eliminated in this country. This Government is committed to making progress and has already taken serious steps and will continue to do so.