And what we hear—I know that sounds like a complex way of putting it for some people. But to put it in simply, in some levels, is 48 percent of pregnant women, if I'm remembering correctly, whose pēpē Māori were taken into State care before birth had been in State care themselves. So if we're thinking about the biases that are built into our system as well as the harm that our system has created and that we compound through interventions, this policy had a really significant role in causing harm.