Hon DAVID PARKER (Minister of Revenue): I've already listed in detail the legitimate reasons why you can have trusts and have income being attributed to beneficiaries who pay a lower rate of tax than 33c in the dollar for good and proper reasons. In truth, I think most people in this country would be surprised that the Inland Revenue Department doesn't really know the extent to which trusts are being used for tax avoidance purposes. It's notable that, in a lot of other countries, Revenue does have that information. After tomorrow, after this legislation passes, the revenue authorities in New Zealand will be able to be in the same position as revenue authorities in other countries.