I want to make the case to the committee that a law that attempts to criminalise, or even just make it an infringement, to protest and talk to people outside clinics and tell them that abortion is bad—a law that does that, first of all, is redundant. For the worst of the harm that people have talked about, people need only look at section 4 of the Summary Offences Act—something that in my view already goes far too far—which says that to offend, intimidate, insult, or threaten somebody, or to make someone feel uncomfortable, almost, is already a crime under the Summary Offences Act. It's an offence, so we have laws to stop that. The Law Commission found that those laws are currently effective and that they do restrain people from causing the kinds of harm that we're worried about. 