Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I utterly reject the premise of that member's question, and if he had listened to Professor Skegg yesterday, he himself made the point that the reason they have given the advice that we can open up at this stage to New Zealanders and those who are otherwise eligible is because of the Te Pūnaha Matatini modelling that suggests that the numbers we would have are numbers that we can manage in-country at this point. He also went on to suggest that a wider reopening would be something that you would wish to consider after you've come through the wave. I would also acknowledge Philip Hill, who is a member of that advisory committee. He believed that we should actually wait to even reopen to New Zealanders without self-isolation until after the peak. I'll finish with a quote from Professor Skegg's letter: "In November 2021, for example, there were concerted calls to drop all quarantine requirements for most vaccinated people arriving in Auckland, on the grounds that such travellers were less likely to be infected than Auckland residents at this time. This would have led to a major increase in Delta cases. Fortunately, the Government did not yield to the pressure, so our Delta outbreak was brought under control before the arrival of Omicron. In Australia, hospitals were still struggling to deal with the very large number of sick patients infected with the Delta variant when the Omicron outbreak took off." That is sage advice from a public health expert, and we will continue to seek the advice of experts before making such significant decisions, rather than the view of that member.