Hon JAMES SHAW: So when you have—well, I didn't get a chance to ask him, and that speaks to the question around enforceability, Mr Mitchell, but I'll come back to the question around enforceability. The issue with this bill is that every time you do something like this, you have to ask yourself the question: if we do this, will it fix the problem? And I'm afraid that this bill fails on that test. Just doubling the penalties is not going to stop people from shining lasers up at pilots. Getting rid of the lasers, that would stop people from shining them into aeroplanes. 