Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: As I said, that number was an extrapolation out of the number provided to the outgoing National Government of the 45,000 shortfall in housing. But what I discussed with officials and the advice I have was that actually just having a crude national number doesn't provide us with the houses that we need to live in. We need to understand the nuance of this. We have to understand what is required in a particular location. [Interruption]