I'm very interested in the Playcentre and kōhanga reo funding models. These are left very vague in the Estimates. We know on this side of the House that there have been ongoing challenges with the sustainability of the funding models for those two parts of our early childhood sector, and I know from my engagements with Playcentre that they still feel that they haven't actually progressed a funding model that they can see will work for them for the long term. So I want to know what the Minister's time line is on landing those funding models and what they might look like.