Hon STUART NASH (Minister of Fisheries): The member has asked about a very narrow element of the threat management plan (TMP), the fisheries measures, and I will address these. But it's also important to consider the TMP in its entirety, which includes non-fishing measures. These cover threats like the disease toxoplasmosis and the impact of seabed mining and seismic surveys. The fishing measures are well-covered in the documentation we released last week. They are designed to mitigate risks to dolphins as fishing is only one element of the threat to these mammals. Based on our average estimates of fisheries deaths, fisheries officials estimate the new measures will save approximately 40 Hector's dolphins a year and one Māui dolphin every 21 years. Based on our upper estimates of fisheries deaths, they estimate the new measures will save approximately 69 Hector's dolphins a year and one Māui dolphin every 10 years.