But I also listened carefully to the Feminist Older Women Lobbyists collective, or FOWL, as they call themselves. These were a group of women who were opposed to the bill but have a long history of being involved in women's concerns in New Zealand. Some of the concerns that were raised by FOWL and by other people were things like whether or not allowing gender self-ID would promote men getting involved in women's sports. It is a canard that is an issue for sports federations to deal with. In fact, the big issue around trans people being involved in sports is getting enough of them involved so that they feel sufficiently comfortable to be involved in community sports, and when it comes to elite sports, that's for the elite sporting federations to sort out, not a bill on gender self-ID.