Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): Speaking to the point of order, as one of the members responsible for that ruling being made in the first place during the debate on the Auckland super-city, and having sat on that side of the House for most of the eight years since that ruling was made—or for all of the eight years since that ruling was made—I can confirm that other Chairs of the committee have used that ruling in the same context that you are using it now. In fact, it's been used to rule out amendments exempting local authorities, for example, one at a time from various provisions of legislation. This is not a novel or uncommon use of that. In fact, it's been discussed on many occasions through the Standing Orders Committee, where the decision was made to confirm that ruling on the basis that Parliament should spend its time in debate, not in voting on repetitive amendments.