Hon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Health): Just beginning with Mr O'Connor's point: probably no one, but then no other country is quite like New Zealand, and there's a multiplicity of different systems. There are countries operating on a State basis and provincial basis, and at a State basis and provincial basis, there are some procurement agencies that operate on that basis where the health system is very much kind of subnational based, but the other thing is that other countries have complex arrangements when it comes to public and private insurance. 