Hon TODD McCLAY: It's other people's money that's being spent here. So Mr Shaw is correct: it is future generations, children and grandchildren, that will pay this back, and they will do it in one of two ways under a Labour - Green - New Zealand First Government. There will have to be fewer services, which means less money for teachers or for doctors or for nurses or for policemen, or there will have to be higher taxes, because the country knows that a Labour Government with the Greens and New Zealand First under their wing is very good at spending money and then raising taxes to pay it back. And if it's not going to be paid back through higher taxes, every member of the House on the other side, and the Prime Minister, has the opportunity to stand up and say that taxes won't be increased, but when they've been offered that opportunity, they haven't taken it and they haven't said there won't be more taxes. But what they have said is "Our policy will come." Well, New Zealanders know what it means when $140 billion is borrowed and spent in a four-year period, and it must be paid back.