So when our leader asked the Prime Minister today about the situation of trying to encourage people to set up new businesses, I was somewhat alarmed that the Prime Minister inferred that that was a gamble. I was really concerned how unambitious she was for New Zealanders, and dismissive, because many of these people have been made redundant, not because they're useless, not because they are due it; it is actually because the industries in which they work have been absolutely devastated—highly trained pilots, flight attendants, just to name some; tourism operators who have been so badly affected because of COVID-19. It has nothing to do with their own situation—thrust out on to the job heap—and the Prime Minister's response was, "Well, that's why we've got Jobseeker. Go and get a benefit!" Well, I've got to say to you that that is not a long-term solution to New Zealand's ills. The only way we can ever get out of this ill and pay back that estimated $200 billion of debt that we're going to incur over the next few years—Treasury forecasts, by the way—is that we will have to grow this economy. We can't tax everyone. You can't tax people—you can, but it won't work—because the only way to deal with that huge mountain of debt is to grow the New Zealand economy.