In fact, it was quite interesting. One of the submitters we had when we were talking about the Budget Policy Statement, and I think Mr Webb might have mentioned it, was People Against Prisons Aotearoa—you know, defund the police. Well, as I pointed out to that particular individual, who looked like he was probably a fairly safe, liberal, from the leafy suburb he came from. So what I pointed out to him on the only statistics he had there—and this goes back to Māori victimisation—was that the vast majority of people who are victims of crime are Māori. So do you ignore the victims by actually ensuring that—yes—what we've got to make sure of is that as much as we stop Māori offending, we stop Māori victimisation? Nothing in isolation, and that's why it's important. 