Hon CARMEL SEPULONI: I respect the reports that are coming from the Salvation Army and the work that they are undertaking alongside many of the other social services that are out there. I have had at least one meeting with the Salvation Army and a range of other organisations—or Zoom meetings—and I do believe I've got another one coming up, and I think that may be part of the church leaders social service group that I'll be meeting with. I take on board any constructive criticism that is sent our way. Our intention is to do the best job that we can possibly do for New Zealanders, and if constructive criticism comes from social services, then I accept it and we look at how we can do things better.