Hon JULIE ANNE GENTER: —no matter what the cost is. This is just empirical; it's not a matter of opinion, Mr Court. If you look at the papers, The Fundamental Law of Road Congestion done by the Toronto University Department of Economics, that looks at data from 50 cities, it really overwhelmingly concludes that every time we spend billions and billions of dollars investing in a small number of cars to be able to get on the network, it results in more congestion, a more car-dependent land use pattern, which actually reduces people's choice, it reduces their ability to get around. Not everybody can afford a car; not everyone can drive. We have unintentionally created towns and cities where our youngest residents—you know, children aged 12—are no longer able to independently get around. They're forced to be driven by their parents from place to place.