I also want to say, just really critically, that the Greens' position is that local government across this country is requiring reform at a much larger scale, and it definitely shouldn't be sliding in the direction of a more commercial focus. Because when you start to dive down this rabbit hole of talking about customers as opposed to citizens all of a sudden you start having these questions such as who is this so-called customer? Is it solely those who could be characterised or caricatured, even, as ratepayers? And if that's the case, is it only those who own a home? What about those under the age, for example, of 18, whom historically haven't been particularly well catered for when it comes to the development of infrastructure, of parks, of walkways, of safe cycling, and pedestrian access across this country, its cities, towns, and regions?