The problem is even worse than that, though, because if we truly do care about animal welfare standards, we do have to acknowledge the part that New Zealand plays in ensuring that we are upholding better standards around the world. If it's not us that are providing livestock to other countries for their breeding programmes, somebody else will very quickly fill that void. Trade will simply go offshore. The problem won't go away. But actually, being in that space allows for better animal welfare conditions than what the alternative would be. People do need food. People do need animals to breed. And if we can be part of that, we can uphold better animal welfare standards, but also ensure that our farmers have ongoing livelihoods that won't be affected. I don't want to see countries with poorer welfare standards filling the void that New Zealand currently plays in that market. 