I also return to the point that the Minister has refused to address while asked by me and other members tonight, which is whether she will address the widespread view in the community that Kāinga Ora is routinely over-bidding for properties. Land prices are skyrocketing in New Zealand, stifling housing supply, and the Government's housing arm is out-competing private developers for land, and that Minister in this debate has refused to address how that provides value for taxpayer money. 