But I want to say this: it took me some time to be convinced and to be brought on board, but as some of the arguments went here and there, I'm absolutely convinced. Because if we look at that primary objective, someone transformational and bold like this Government had to make a call on saying how we are going to achieve this, notwithstanding many people in this House who have purchased electric vehicles or hybrids, and in many local authorities—I heard some jibes across the floor there around local government—but many have responded, and there are articles galore here, examples all over New Zealand, where, in partnership with the New Zealand Transport Agency, Waka Kotahi, there's been a surge in demand for charging stations. And if you go around Wellington City in my part of the eastern and southern suburbs, you will see a whole lot of charging stations that have been put in. And I know the almighty ratepayer was a bit upset; they said, "Well, how come these have been put in here? No one's using them." But can I say now there is a demand; in fact, they want more. And I expect that to happen more and more and more.