The problem with Operation Hippocamp and Operation Achilles was you had very effective enforcement staff, but senior management and the Ministry for Primary Industries made a decision not to follow through on their enforcement work and not to prosecute, and, as the Heron Report concluded, that process and decision making was flawed. So there's a whole issue of a lack of public confidence and trust in the fishing industry, and I think that while farmers throughout Aotearoa have recognised that they need to change their management practice and their farming techniques to earn that public trust and confidence and to maintain their social licence, the same thing hasn't happened in the fishing industry. 