What people listening to this debate need to know is that Kāinga Ora is a bloated, underperforming bureaucracy. It is an organisation that has grown from just over a thousand people to more than 2,000 people on this Minister's watch. It has roughly doubled in size and so taxpayers have a right to ask, "Well, have we got double the results for that doubling of staff?" Well, no. No, we have not. We've seen a quadrupling in the State house waiting list, and that is the core function of Kāinga Ora—it's to provide State housing. On this Minister's watch, it has quadrupled. We've seen a complete failure on KiwiBuild. We should be having 16,000 houses by now, according to the promises made by this Government. But, actually, we've only just got 1,200 about the same number of staff that they've hired. We've seen Kāinga Ora go out and bid in direct competition with first-home buyers for homes, so that they can make the Minister's numbers look good when it comes to State houses. That's $824 million worth of homes bought by the Government in competition with first-home buyers. And what the Minister gets up and says, when I ask her about this, is she says "Oh, well as a percentage, it's fine." What people listening to this debate need to know is that over the entire course of the past National Government this occurred less than 10 percent of what this Minister is doing.