Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: In answer to the second part of that question, absolutely, and I have a great deal of respect for both the Salvation Army for their work in this area and, indeed, the WEAG report. We are at a time where incomes are growing. We see wage growth at its highest level. We see the minimum wage rising. We see settlements across the public sector, the State sector, that are supporting those on middle and low incomes as well. So we are committed to seeing wages rise in New Zealand and incomes across the board rise, and I believe we are seeing evidence of that.