SIMON O'CONNOR: That's not the point. The simple thing in human life is that we don't decide whether something is morally or ethically right based on emotion. If it were, we'd be in a very, very strange place. I suppose, to basically illustrate it to that member, it doesn't matter how compassionate, upset, worried a person is about whatever the subject is, it doesn't make something right or wrong. And just to really point it out, for post - 20 weeks, there is, in effect, absolutely no medical reason for either mother or baby that an abortion has to happen. Put it again in a very different way—the baby can be birthed and it has no medical consequences at all. We are now talking a very deliberate decision—a very deliberate decision—post - 20 weeks to end that child's life. And again, it doesn't take away from the fraughtness of the decision, but I stand here very clearly to point out that the emotion of the decision has very little impact on whether the decision is right or wrong.