Then we heard the logic—this is number four from the Minister—that, actually, he is targeting illegal firearm owners and bad people, but how did he say he intends to do it? This explains much of what we find throughout the legislation: that, actually, the Minister's intention is to take firearms off law-abiding people because, if they don't have them, nobody can steal them. Well, here's a thought about that difficulty or that proposition: how is it possible that criminal elements somehow manage to get ingredients for a billion bucks' worth of P into New Zealand every year? Well, I put it to you, Madam Chair, and I'd put it to the Minister that part of the reason is this country only has one container scanner. Last I checked, there are more containers coming into New Zealand than can be scanned by one container scanner. It must be true because, for one thing, there's more than one port, and they all have containers coming in. So could it be that the fundamental problem with the Minister's strategy that he has raised is that the theft of firearms from licensed firearm owners is not the only way that criminal elements can get firearms? In fact, it may not even be the major way that they get firearms.