Now, the first was that children should have reasonable opportunities to participate in decisions which affect them, and I thank my colleagues and particularly the Hon Simon Bridges for his thoughts on this. We disagreed, though, and I think the Opposition commentary on this was that it really should be happening anyway and that this legislative change is not required. But what the Government members found after engaging with the submitters on that point was that it was a question of fact: was it happening, was it not, and if it wasn't, legislative change is required. We came to the view after engaging with the lawyers and with the submitters on this point that it wasn't happening enough and that change was required to make sure that children could participate in a way which would allow them a greater sense of justice in the process. 