So what is really not certain, and what I haven't heard anyone on the other side of the House today say since I've been here, is what the benefits are of the scale that they are aiming to create with the three waters legislation. There do not seem to be any benefits of scale and I can't see how rural New Zealand's even going to be able to participate in this. And I don't understand, and we don't understand, how linking Gisborne and Blenheim is going to make anybody feel part of a community that's going to solve a problem or get a solution. 