I used to do a show. I did it for five years—it was on Mike Hosking—and we kept talking about the Government's response. Mike Hosking is one of these guys who is always right in hindsight—he is always right in hindsight. He kept going on about the Government's response, and I said to him, "Mike, we have the lowest death rate in the world." He said, "Oh, well, that might be one measure.", and I said, "Well, I think how many Kiwis have died is a pretty important measure." 