We heard from daughters in submissions. We heard from Jess Cox, who is still at primary school, and we heard from another Jess, the daughter at Branch Creek Station—not in formal submissions, but when we went on site visits—and we heard about the diversification, because of course not all these environments are easy to make lots of money out of and the farmers do have to diversify into other things. We also heard from the Kates—Kate Cocks and Kate Scott—who both are very committed to environmental protection of indigenous vegetation, particularly the beech forests, or Nothofagus. 