I'd like to actually go back to my colleague who discussed young Jess Cocks, and she made a huge impression on Joseph Mooney; myself; you, Madam Chair; and the Hon Scott Simpson. We were all there that afternoon—did I forget anyone else? I think that was the lot of us. What a wonderful day we had there. And what it really brought home—and what I picked up from the Minister is he completely does not understand the management of these properties is completely different. The bracken will take over on the Cocks' property, whereas we went to Minaret Station—completely different circumstances. Leaving that property alone for a short time, it regenerates right back into fern and into its native state. The fact is, most of the pastoral lease properties in New Zealand are a highly modified environment because they were burnt many years ago—by the moa hunters, I suspect—and so it changed the whole environment. We now have to manage that anyway; we can't just let it revert. Because what we saw up the Awatere Valley on the Muller Station, the wilding pines are being managed by Merino wethers, actually, and the seedlings that aren't controlled by the Merino wethers are able to either be sprayed by a drone or by a helicopter. Very few of them—it's a much easier job. In contrast, when you look at the Molesworth, admittedly it's different soil types, but in the Molesworth it has a real significant wilding pine issue because they run cattle and they can't control it. 