NICOLA GRIGG: I would like to turn the Minister's mind to clause 8, thank you Minister, which amends Schedule 2 to set out the new rates. I have been listening and trying to keep up with the debate, but I don't think the Minister has answered the question around what is the total figure for the budgetary appropriation. We are very interested in how that rate of 4.6 percent was determined. As has been canvassed already, we do know inflation is running at 6.9 percent, and I'm no mathematician, but by my calculation that would indicate that these care workers, like the rest of New Zealand is, will be going backwards with this negotiation.