Hon DAMIEN O'CONNOR: They can do it now—of course they can do it now. But the problem is that many of those small-forest owners go and seek advice. So why would a forest adviser tell them to go into a cooperative when there's another old saying that says "Divide and rule"? If you can just feed enough information to people and make it look credible, sometimes you can carry them along. What this does is ensure that the people providing the advice—as I say, as we do across other parts of the economy—are fit and proper. This piece of legislation in a laissez-faire world, where there was fair, open trade and people had all the information, might not be necessary. The realities of this world are that it's not always like that.