Hon TIM MACINDOE: —very thoughtfully. A gentleman and scholar. Yes, I agree, Ms Swarbrick. He is a gentleman and a scholar—and he's sitting right in front of me, so I don't want to get him too puffed up, but he has engaged very thoughtfully with institutes of technology right around the country. And I know how much that was appreciated in my own city of Hamilton, where he met with representatives from Wintec. They have—