Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): Thank you, Madam Chair. In answer to the latter part of the member's question, employment relations in this context, in terms of the way the Government intends to use this, relates to pay. In terms of the member's suggestion around whether employers should be able to promote people or not, that is not something the Government intends to interfere with in any way. If someone is promoted, that is completely a matter for their employer. The intention of the Government is to specify minimum rates of pay. There is absolutely nothing stopping centres paying their staff more than the minimum rates of pay.