The second thing we asked was if this is actually about pay parity, then where is the funding to make that possible, because the questions that early childhood centres have asked are very fair and very reasonable. They have said, "Well, if the Minister is now going to have the power to specify the conditions relating to a broad range of employment matters, including when we step people up in their pay and what the pay levels are at different levels of experience, then can we be confident that the Minister will match that power with the funding to make those things possible?", and the Minister has at no stage engaged in that debate. Instead, he's said that it's not relevant. Well, I put to this House that if this is a bill about pay parity, as members opposite have harped on about, then it is absolutely about funding, because that is at the core of why early childhood services today are unable to pay their staff as much as kindergartens: because they are funded at a lower rate than kindergartens. So if the Minister is not addressing that fundamental issue, then you do have to be cynical about what this bill is doing.