But we also heard that we've got some big numbers. I reflect, just on Sunday, I was at one of the largest community events in New Zealand being Newtown Festival and there you get a really good experience of our first responders who are there in action, be it the St John Ambulance service—obviously in Wellington here we have Wellington Free Ambulance as well, but St John Ambulance do the event services part of the operation here in the city. We also saw the fire guys and the extent of the parade stretches right up to Newtown fire station, for those that know that part of Wellington, and you see them. And very much one thing I like about both of those entities is the effort that they put in for education. I think often education and responding in that way is seen as soft. And I look at so many cases where if we just simply took some time to educate people around some of these things and maybe then you wouldn't get the outcome or the crime that comes. To call that soft is really unfair to those first responders because they don't deserve that. 