First of all, the $1.8 billion in this current year's Budget has around $520 million of consolidated debt—consolidated DHB deficit debt—which is how hard-baked pretty much for ever. I'm wondering if the Minister can speak to that: how we've come to the end of DHBs with just over $500 million of consolidated debt. The second question would be on pay equity. I believe that the Minister—it may be in the public domain or it could be from another important source—is saying that there's a $520 million cost. I'm interested to know, if he's able to share, what is the cost of the back-pay disagreement around pay equity that is currently in play. 