Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): Thank you, Madam Chair. Now, coming to the question of the Supplementary Order Papers that I've introduced, starting off with the first one, this bill is a slightly unusual one in the sense that it criminalises an activity, which is the conversion practice. Just for people to understand: if it's performed on somebody under the age of 18, it's just the mere conversion practice that leads to the potential for imprisonment; over the age of 18, it needs to demonstrate serious harm being done by that practice.