Where the Treaty is relevant is where that woman is able to go. Is she able to go to a practitioner who has been trained in a way that is culturally sensitive to her needs, to an institution that is culturally sensitive to her needs, and to a system that is culturally sensitive to her needs? Those are the system issues which our Treaty obliges us to ensure is sensitive to our Treaty obligations, and to other cultural needs. I repeat, with all due respect to my good friend the Hon Alfred Ngaro, I think his Supplementary Order Paper 466 is misconceived in that regard. 