Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I note the member doesn't think that there's any connection between COVID and attendance issues, which I find surprising. I, again, look at the statistics that we have that show, as a percentage of the working-age population, we have a lower percentage of New Zealanders in the working-age population drawing down benefits now than we did in the same period in the aftermath of the global financial crisis (GFC). So that demonstrates to me that when we see an economic shock—and, in fact, I would argue this is worse—you're actually seeing lower rates relative to that period.