STUART SMITH: Yeah, wilding pines, all of those things. In contrast Minaret Station, which we went to later in the day, if they stop farming that, it reverts to fern—goes straight back to native. So I think there's a view, particularly from some of the submitters, against the bill that the farming practices are adversely affecting iconic high country. I would argue, actually, the reverse—they are preserving it—and in Branch Creep Station, it was very evident from their management how they were controlling that bracken. That family are putting a heck of a lot of work into that. It's a tough grind. They're up for it, they're not looking for sympathy, but they put their heart and soul into that property, and you can see, and it was really something to behold the passion from both of those ladies about the land itself, not just the farm and not their personal financial reward they get out of the property. That wasn't it; it was their connection to the land, their connection to that environment, and how they were working as hard as they could to preserve that and, what's more, to preserve that way of life. That I think speaks volumes to the passion of those people.