But there is a darker part to this conversation and it started coming through in some of our select committee hearings. There's a very organised group of people who talk about the co-governance and co-management as not being democratic and that it's against the principles that we all stand for. "It's against the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi."—we've heard that one too. So, on this journey, we're going to need some support if we're going to continue to do what we believe is right.