Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Well, it will be interesting to hear, because I think most people can understand the concept of equitable opportunities for all New Zealanders to get a good education and to learn, and we recognise the immense diversity within humanity: different people's priorities, different people's enthusiasm, things that they value, things that they don't, different attitudes and different abilities, and they do lead to different outcomes. I'm just curious to hear from the Minister exactly what he means by "equitable outcomes for students". And then maybe we can ask a bit more about how he plans to achieve that.