But the other thing is it gives rise to the whole issue about where we're going with taxes. Yesterday, we had the advantage of having the Minister of Finance before the Finance and Expenditure Committee, and we were talking about tax. Most people will be aware that the debt has probably already gone from about $60 billion to about $110 billion over the last few months, a staggering increase in debt, and the amount of interest that will attract was an interesting figure. When I asked the Minister actually how much interest was going to be on that debt, he wasn't that certain. But I'm going to be more certain because I know the figure. It's projected to be $3.5 billion. So to put that in context, we've just had a firearms debate and the cost to run the police is about $3.5 billion. That will be the equivalent cost that we're going to be increasingly bearing in this country. And as the debt increases to $200 billion, it will double; it will be nearly $7.5 billion—a massive amount. 