I also want to speak to the point where the Minister has previously said that they can't support our Supplementary Order Paper to remove the clause to ensure that the monitor has an objective of supporting public trust and confidence in the Oranga Tamariki system. And I just re-emphasise that for many people, for myself, but many other people, that is a real point of concern. When we discussed this in the select committee, we were told that this has been a key objective for the bill since its inception, that the bill was borne out of reviews, due to reported failings of Oranga Tamariki system, and the resultant diminished public trust and confidence, so the system needs public trust and confidence in order to function. I ask the Minister: when everyone is saying, "Do not do this. We do not trust this proposal.", how can she think that is going to build trust and that just telling the organisation that it has to deliver trust will do it?