NICOLA WILLIS: You can keep defending it, Minister; it's indefensible. That Minister knows that her officials have been advising her, not for months but for years they have been saying to her, "Minister, putting people up in motels at up to $450 a night is not only more expensive than building houses or putting them in transitional housing, it also doesn't provide those people with the wraparound support and services they need to get back on their feet. And that Minister has received briefing after briefing, memo after memo that has said to her, "This Government must exit from the motels. It must build houses."