Hon ANDREW LITTLE: I can't give any guarantee about when any particular thing will happen when it comes to catching up with the deferred planned care. There were waiting lists that were in place well before the whole pandemic even commenced. So that's why we do everything we can to support both the ministry and the work it is doing with DHBs to catch up on that planned care, but no one will miss out on hospital care that they ought to expect to get, regardless of whether the DHBs are in existence or when Health NZ takes over. 