Hon GERRY BROWNLEE: Now, he's shaking his head, saying, "No, we're not." Well, at least he's got the moxie to admit that they don't really care about what people think. They just want to do whatever they can. It's this sort of action where a Government simply decides, "We don't want to hear too much from the people. We're not really interested in what they might say." And while the Minister stood there making an interesting case, he should have just said, "Look, we took our eye off the ball here. It's still necessary and so we want to keep going with it." That might have been a better position to take than giving the absolute flimflam that came out and will be part of the Hansard record today.