So, essentially, what you have is you have a circle of power, which all involves the Minister appointing people who will then appoint people whom he wants appointed to the NZIST council. So not only does he have a majority on the NZIST council but he has the ability to appoint people to the staff committee and the student committee who will then appoint representatives who will be in line with what he's after. I want to ask the Minister whether he has any concerns about what seems to be an apparent conflict and whether he has looked at other options at which the staff and the students are able to have their voices heard rather than having what seems to be a very tightly controlled process whereby the Minister, essentially, retains control.