Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Of course, those countries that are often held up as examples of demonstrating better rates of productivity than New Zealand include the likes of Germany and Australia, who operate fair pay agreements. Look, there are often, from time to time, policies where the member and I are just going to fundamentally disagree. On this side of the House, our view is that if we want New Zealanders to be better off, we do that by ensuring, for instance, that they have decent wages and decent conditions, and that is exactly what fair pay agreements are all about now. Now, not every, for instance, employer and every workforce will necessarily see an increase in their wage bills as a result of an FPA. What it's designed to do is lift those who are operating at the very bottom and who are sometimes driving the sector down to come up to an agreed standard, and some employers support the role that FPAs can provide in that regard.