CHRIS BAILLIE: I rise on behalf of ACT to take a short call on the Education and Training (Grants—Budget Measures) Amendment Bill. The details of what is wrong with this bill I think have been pretty well explained by members over on this side of the House and there are a number of other factors which make this bill unacceptable in its present form. There were over 550 submissions. They all said that pay parity was an issue and they're all good, caring people who want to pay their workers more but they showed up a number of flaws. If I can just read David Gibson, with 120 staff, he said it's a nail in the coffin for him and he'll become insolvent. Jessica Dodd: "It'll be unaffordable. There's too much bureaucracy, no consultation." Bridget Gifford: "Fifty kids—will reduce staff or put up fees." Deborah Petterson with 334 kids in her centres: "I'll have to change ratios, increase fees. Special things cancelled like special needs programmes."