TERISA NGOBI: Again, as I said, we have proposed four hours per year, and, again, this still needs to go through to select committee. But what I would say is that employers can calculate what that might look like on the four hours per year proposed at this time. This is about supporting tamariki, whānau, and kaiako or learners to make sure that they come together to get the best plan to support our children to get the best educational outcomes, and I'm sure we all support that.