Hon SHANE JONES: Oh—OK. So I thought I'd pick the brains of Mr Derek McCormack. He outlined to me that a university such as his has about 20,000 students, 17 percent of international character. Those are students that do contribute financially, and those are students who are entitled to work for a period of time. But the challenge now lies with the tertiary sector, ensuring, as they go forward, how they can compete in the absence of a comprehensive opening of the border. 