In fact, listening to the debate, as I have now over the last 10 minutes or so, what I am struck by is how very different the performance and approach and scale of each of our polytechnics are in this country. What we're pushing hard against this afternoon is a one-size-fits-all, centralised, cookie cutter approach, when actually the lived experience of the communities of New Zealand with respect to their engagement with the polytechs, their local polytechs, talks to the fact that our polytechs are incredibly varied in terms of scale and approach and journey and experience. The idea that they all have to be subsumed to the centre, I think, is very much a retrograde step. 