Hon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Health): Again, I'm pretty sure I've answered most of the member's questions already. But in terms of the rates and my engagement with the unions, it is true they wanted higher rates—in some cases, it's significantly higher rates—and it was pretty clear that the rates they were seeking were the sort of rates that you would expect would be the product of a pay equity claim. The legislation prevents Government agencies—in fact, anybody—from engaging over a pay equity claim until after 30 June, so we could not engage on that basis.