It doesn't have to be done through borrowing alone. The Greens had huge support at the election for our policy of a wealth tax, which would have affected 6 percent of people in this country, just asking them to pay 1 percent on the net wealth that they had over $1 million. That pool of funding would enable us to ensure that every single person in this country had a guaranteed minimum income that put them above the poverty line. We wouldn't have had to have this massive effort every time we go into lockdown of scrambling around to get people food parcels, because people would actually have enough money themselves, within their whānau, to be able to make those decisions and be able to keep the roof over their head, and food on the table and their whare warm. That is just not the reality at the moment.