What are some of these crimes? Because we've got that emotive language of "You don't care about sex crimes. You don't care about violence." Something like aggravated robbery can be committed by two 17-year-olds going up to another person and saying, "Give us your shoes." Now, that's terrible; we don't want the community to be terrorised in that way. If they did it three times in one day, and we don't know what the circumstances are—what we do know is that under-19-year-olds in our criminal justice system have overwhelmingly experienced a trauma-like abuse very close to the time that they start offending; leaving that to one side. If something like that happens two or three times in one day and you've got someone being sentenced to 14 years' imprisonment, who does that help? I think New Zealanders would be horrified to find that kind of American-style so-called justice was imposed in New Zealand by the National and ACT parties in Government. The millions upon millions of dollars being thrown away instead of investing in the types of things that we know keep our communities crime free—like the mental health care system, like addiction treatment, like housing and jobs, like the national action plan that the Hon Marama Davidson just announced as the Minister for the Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence, an action plan that they didn't put in place, having declared themselves the only party to care about sexual offending—that seems wild. Domestic and sexual violence has been at epidemic levels in New Zealand for quite some time, and they didn't have an action plan, but we do.