It's not often that I refer to the Federated Farmers' submissions, but Federated Farmers and particularly their president in the Wairoa area, Toby Williams, really highlighted the impact on farming communities of the major change in land use, particularly in areas like the East Cape and around Wairoa, where you've got the hollowing out of the community when land goes from sheep and beef farming to forestry. The families go, the school closes, the infrastructure servicing the remaining farms becomes more expensive, and so that whole hollowing-out has quite significant social impacts.