He also said that it would be nimble. He didn't want it to be "administratively heavy" and "another layer of management". Well, let's see how that worked out when the $25 million announcement for mental health in tertiary education came to be distributed out. The announcement, in the middle of last year meant that in April this year Te Pūkenga signed up to an agreement to take some of that $25 million and distribute it out to their subsidiaries and to the students. So, how's that going? Well now, 18 months after it was announced, two subsidiary companies have received some funding for mental health for students affected by COVID. Doesn't sound nimble to me.