One of the things that still pops up in my memory is: as we were flying on one of those really, really small planes—and it was a recently built plane, because previously you'd have to travel for weeks by river in order to actually get right into the highlands where I was travelling—and as we flew over, you could see the palm oil plantations. It was like they had mowed over the rainforests. And in that place there were these palm oil plantations where indigenous peoples used to live, where orangutan used to live, where all sorts of other wildlife used to live—life that has been there for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.