Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education): Thank you, Mr Chair. Happy to work my way through the list of questions that we've had so far this evening. I'll start with the international rankings and my comments that have been badly distorted by Mr Goldsmith on the international rankings. I know that would be an entirely new thing for him to do. But I will say that I did differentiate in my comments in select committee between the decline in the mean scores of New Zealand students, which is something that we should all be concerned about, and the presence of additional countries in the overall international rankings. Bearing in mind that when these started about 25 or 30 years ago, there weren't as many countries involved in the studies as there are now, and we should welcome the fact that there are more countries participating in these kind of comparative studies, and also that some of those studies, particularly some of the developing countries, are actually doing better. I don't have a problem with that. I welcome that. I celebrate that. But I do have a problem, and I think we all in this House should have a problem, with the fact that the performance of New Zealand students, even if you forget about what the rest of the world is doing, has been going down. That trend has been evident ever since we started participating in these studies about 25 or 30 years ago. So I think we do need to take that very seriously. 