So it is that we can see that, in some cases, it will be sensible to allow for the transportation of heavy, bulky goods and to reduce congestion where population density and topography allows that. Auckland, where I hail from personally, and where I have the pleasure to represent a part thereof, is famously difficult to arrange public transport for—in particular, terrestrial, being an isthmus and, therefore, difficult to build networks that make sense in ways that countries overseas with better geography and topography, or more suitable geography and topography, and population density make that much more possible. So it's easy to make comparisons with dense cities such as Singapore, London, New York. But we live in the city of sails, those of us who are blessed to call Auckland home, and I'm not sure that I would trade the wonderful Hauraki Gulf, or, indeed, the Kaipara Harbour, or the Manukau Harbour, either of those three jewels in Auckland's crown, for the benefit of such transport systems, even as those great cities enjoy.