So it said, likewise—and we hear all the time about "this is going to ruin our reputation". Now, we teased that out with various people in the committee, including the Minister, and all anyone could tell us—we asked for evidence, we asked the Ministry for Primary Industries for evidence, for somebody to quantify that this was going to ruin our reputation. The only thing we heard from people was, "Well, the Minister said." Even I think the Minister himself told us that it was his opinion, and he'd been talking to people. He had no facts, he had no statistics, and he had no quantifiable evidence. It was the Minister's opinion that this was going to happen. So the Minister made a case that it was going to affect our trade. But on page 2 here, when I look at the regulatory impact statement, it said, "Likewise, if the trade was to be banned, we could damage our reputation with trading partners, especially in the countries where trade is used to help the importing country meet its poverty reduction or rural economic growth policy objectives."