Hon JULIE ANNE GENTER: Well, Mr Speaker, it is absolutely relevant to my argument. It is impossible for me to respond to Mr Seymour's debate without referring to the evidence that rebuts what he said in his speech—that private organisations are always more efficient than public organisations, that letting private organisations pursue private profit for shareholders is better for everyone. It is simply not true. We have evidence of decades of environmental devastation, of biodiversity loss, and that is relevant. It is relevant to our view in the Green Party—and, I think, shared by the Government—