Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: What matters is what's happening with net migration, and what also matters is whether or not people are able to meet the skills gaps that they have. As I've already noted, the member himself has spent time offshore; many members in this House will have. That has been part of the New Zealand culture for many years. What matters, though, is whether or not net migration numbers mean that our businesses are able to access the critical workforce that they need. We know that there's more to do on that front, but unlike, perhaps, the member's perspective on New Zealand, New Zealand is a very highly desirable destination for workers, and that's why we've already seen thousands of people applying for working holiday visas to come on to our shores. 