Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, here I think it pays to compare the two periods when we have had significant economic disruption. COVID-19 and the pandemic I would say probably outstrips all other examples and the percentage of New Zealanders on a main benefit is 11 percent lower than in the aftermath of the global financial crisis. We also, despite that, have record numbers of people coming off benefit, which demonstrates the programmes we have in place are working.