MARAMA DAVIDSON: —catastrophising; absolutely, Dr Webb—are not speaking into the decades of harmful impacts that relying on outdated legislation and market levers have caused to ordinary folk around our entire country. We don't expect the market to be able to provide for core public goods such as education and health and drinking water. In fact, even when we have tried to leave a little bit of the market to those services, that hasn't gone very well. So a market is designed by its nature for profit and not for people. We cannot expect it to be concerned with social or environmental outcomes. So this legislation is starting to correct that imbalance. 