Hon LOUISE UPSTON: Yeah, they clearly don't care. They clearly don't care about parents because that's at the crux of this issue. We're talking about young people 18 and under and medical procedures that this bill does not protect. So that is our concern. We're happy to draw a line in the sand on that issue and that issue alone. And I will say again—I'll say again so there is no shadow of doubt—National wants to support this bill. We abhor conversion therapy and anything that harms or abuses, or creates issues for, any New Zealander to choose who they are, to be who they are, and to love who they choose. 