Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Not holidays; sick leave. We've had kind of a strange debate. People from the opposite side of the House, Labour members, saying such profound observations like "Workers are human beings." Well, I don't dispute that. I don't think there's anybody in the House that would dispute the point that workers are human beings, and I don't think anybody would suggest that anybody would argue the point. I think all people in this House—and that was a very fine observation; I don't like to be unkind to the member who made it. But the point is that we here all want the best interests of New Zealand workers and New Zealanders generally, and if we lived in a perfect world, there would be no limits on sick leave and there would be very high minimum wages and everything would be great. The only issue is that ultimately what we have to try and navigate our way through is how businesses can stay profitable and continue to employ people. Now, in a free situation, there is nothing stopping any business giving any workers as long a leave as they would like, but what we're talking about here is legislation ruling a minimum level where they must provide five days at the moment and the proposal in the bill is to double that to 10 days. 