Hon WILLIE JACKSON: Now, I think that's a good question—I think it's a good question—and we think the challenge is getting the balance right. We have to get the balance right in terms of this, and I respect where the member is coming from and I understand many of the problems of our people, particularly young people on benefits. We have to find a process where they're not rorting the system, but we also don't want to be as punitive, cruel, and ugly, and horrible as the National Party.