Hon JAN TINETTI (Minister of Internal Affairs) on behalf of the Minister for Social Development and Employment: The member opposite, Penny Simmonds, will be pleased to know, I'm certain, that this bill will support 42,000 children and help them in their journey, as she is suggesting, towards moving out of poverty. What I will say, too, is that the evidence shows that the current policy has not been effective in reducing time on the benefit. So there was a thought that this would increase time, or that the previous policy or the policy as it stands at the moment would reduce time on the benefit. That is not what the evidence has shown. Also, the evidence has not shown that the current policy has improved financial or social outcomes for those people on this benefit. So while this is a small scope—this particular bill is a very narrow scope and creates a very narrow policy setting—it isn't about the fact of looking at the increasing time on the benefit, because it doesn't currently show that. The evidence doesn't show that this has been effective in getting that aim, anyway. So this is about equity—about creating equity in the current policy settings.