Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Well, I can agree with that, and, indeed, irrespective of COVID-19. While the recovery from COVID-19 allows us to do a stocktake of how we go about what we do and how we do it, I would stress that the Government is already ahead of the curve when it comes to these types of investments. For example, the New Zealand Upgrade Programme announced at the end of January—it ensured that a number of unfunded ideas for transport projects were futureproofed into concrete plans by the current Government, to take into account the need to allow all forms of transport, including public transport, walking, and cycling.