But now we step into the whole philosophical problem with Supplementary Order Paper 483, because I believe those who are for this legislation are all about pro-choice. If you accept that, then it's funny that there's to be no choice for the doctor or the pharmacist to exercise their conscience right. The counter argument that often comes up: "Oh, it's power dynamics. The person who's asking for the ECP"—the emergency contraceptive pill in this case—"they might feel awkward or unsure." If that's the case—if the person's not competent enough to go to the next pharmacy to have a discussion—then that probably begins to, and should, raise questions in members' minds as to just how competent, calm, and rational that person is in making the decision. But, as I said, philosophically, the key point for the pro-choice is they're pro-choice for ECP, they're pro-choice for abortion, but, boy, there's to be no choice for doctors, nurses, and others around these topics.