Another submission talked about the great lengths that trans people go through under the status quo, the discrimination that they face. They talked about applying for a job; using a birth certificate, which might be the only form of ID that you have; the potential discrimination in the hiring process; and the trauma. That said, also enrolling in things like study, which for many of us is just a very easy process to go through. But when the gender doesn't match the person that's sitting in front of the administrator, the registrar, actually, that creates quite an incredibly intimidating and off-putting situation. It can make things quite overwhelming. Copy that same situation over to access to healthcare, access to Government services, Government support. Especially when you're travelling and living overseas, if your birth certificate is that thing that you have to use, again, it traumatises and re-traumatises our trans community. And that was a submission that was put forward by the Intersex Trust Aotearoa New Zealand. So thank you to Mani and to Aych for bringing that submission. 