Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour—Christchurch Central): Kia ora, Madam Speaker. Thank you for that. Look, I was very, very lucky to sit on a portion of the submissions on this bill and the members on the other side are right—there were, of course, people who submitted in support of the bill. As someone who doesn't often sit on the Primary Production Committee I was surprised to hear some of the arguments in favour of the bill, which were, essentially, that not that many cattle died in the 14 or so days that it takes to transport the cattle from New Zealand to the overseas market. Given that the animals had to be in prime health to be put on board, I was surprised that any cattle mortality at all was acceptable. But what was never alluded to by those submitters was the fact that 14 days in a stall, crammed into a cargo vessel through the Tropics was in and of itself traumatic. The animal welfare issues there are significant. So it was good that even prior to the tragedy that we've heard so much about how this Government was looking at this issue and it was precipitated by that horrific tragedy.