But one thing I noticed that underpinned that was the willingness from the consultants there, the team that came to see the Minister of Transport, around the desire to say, "How do we help Aotearoa New Zealand become carbon neutral by 2050?" They'd done their research. They'd gone back and said, "Look, let's not argue around whether this is in or out." The reality is that this is part of the future of shipping in Aotearoa New Zealand, and so that's what impressed me most.