Stephanie: What do you think of what's happening in the UK Parliament today?
Fred: You mean the resignations of four high-ranking ministers over the Brexit deal?
Stephanie: Yes.
Fred: Well, I don't think this deal is going to get signed. Apart from anything else it is worse than simply taking a second vote and hopefully being able to withdraw from Article 50 notice.
Stephanie: Can we even withdraw now?
Fred: Apparently we can do that. There are some opinions that say not, but in reality it would be a big relief to the other countries. 
Fred: The alternative, having no deal at all, is not only risky for the UK, but could cause big trouble to the rest of the states and of course there are quite big issues in the Eurozone already. This could tip over a very big landslide.
Stephanie: So you think we could get a better deal if we hold out?
Fred: Right now the optimal strategy would be to stay inside the EU, forget about leaving as we did not know the hurdles that would be placed by the powers that be. We need to work today with other Eurosceptic countries like Italy, Greece, Poland, Hungary and the other ex-Warsaw Pact countries.
Stephanie: To do what?
Fred: To change the EU into what we actually want it to be. To radically alter it so that it becomes what we hoped it was going to be.
Stephanie: Can that be done?
Fred: We see that the Germans have had enough of Merkel. When she goes, Macron also goes. It wouldn't take more than one of those bigger countries going the way of Italy, or a few more of the secondary states like Holland and Denmark, from the western side, to start a programme of deep change.
Stephanie: Makes sense. IN the end we all need to have some kind of co-operation in Europe.
Fred: Every Brexiteer I spoke to actually wants A European Union, they just don't want THIS European Union.
Stephanie: But is there any chance that there will be a second vote.
Fred: May has said no, but May could be finished in a week from now. If there is a General Election and all the Conservatives stand on a revote platform with UKIP and Labour saying no re-vote, then the Tories may well win. Then they would have to offer a re-vote.
Stephanie: What if we then end up staying in but other countries start defaulting and leaving us picking up the bills which was going to maybe happen to France and Germany?
Fred: That's the downside risk. Certainly if we are ever going to leave, the time to do it is now, or stay and fight for a different kind of Union which might not need countries to go crashing out of it that way. 
Stephanie: I don't know if you will every find a format that 30 countries will be able to agree on. 
Fred: Either you have to make it so that there is really not that much that they have to agree on, or you make everything so harmonised that it is really one country and everyone is unhappy with something. Where we are now is stuck in the middle, trying to agree and enforce too much, but still with options for countries to do things differently and to look after themselves. We haven't managed to deliver the European dream.
Fred would like Great Britain to stay in the European Union but according to him the EU should evolve. Stephanie is sceptic if it's possible to find a solution on which 30 countries would agree.