Elisabeth: This is scary. Bolsonaro won in Brazil!
Richard: I know, unbelievable. 
Elisabeth: What is going on with this world?
Richard: Apparently, we're going mad. Almost everybody, almost everywhere.
Elisabeth: Just like in the 1930s.
Richard: I didn't want to say that, but I'm afraid you're right.
Elisabeth: Trump, Putin, Orban, Kaczynski, Erdogan... Ugly nationalists are in charge again.
Richard: White, rich men...
Elisabeth: But who and why votes for them.
Richard: You're not the only one asking now.
Elisabeth: Maybe we should do something. Join a party, start a movement? We should not just sit and watch the world collapsing.
Richard: We shouldn't. But I think we need an international movement. Something that would exist and function transnationally, at least in Europe.
Elisabeth: That would be beautiful. Something that would not preach nation but humanity and brotherhood.
Richard: And make all people read "Imagined community" by Anderson. We have to deconstruct the nation and move beyond it. And most of all, invest in education. Otherwise there will be a new war.
Elisabeth: We're heading there already! 
Richard: oh yes, inevitably :(
Richard and Elisabeth are worried by the current rise of nationalist movements.They draw a parallel between the current situation and the 1930s. They ponder on the need for an international movement that would unify people of different nationalities. Otherwise - they fear - there will be war.