 But he did not think that Trump was going to accept the terms of the debate that were being set up, you know, with no audience, you know, muted microphones and all that kind of stuff. And his ego got the best of him. And it was kind of like David and Goliath. Hey, David, you little shrimp, you can't do anything with me. Oh, yeah, well, try this food, you know. And Trump took him up on it. And Trump, you know, and Trump really...