 I think they did. You know how we can be. I know. Just keep it simple, right? That's right. Keep it simple. All right. Thank you, Chris. Okay, guys. Oh, I would get that book, but he didn't repeat what it was. It's Dr. Gary Chapman, a good friend of the ministry. We've done some programs with him, which, by the way, you might be able to find on our archives.