 And so we're drinking coffee in the little kitchenette. And, of course, we're saying, tell us about the trip. And he starts telling us about the trip. Well, 30, 40 minutes later, I remember saying, Josh, we should have recorded this. And we can talk about that. But he said, well, Bob, I thought this was all going to be about parenting. And I said, well, yes. And I said, now, I've never produced a radio program before, but I heard something I really loved, and that was on radio.