 We're back for segment five of What's Working. And it's in this segment, for those of you who listen regularly will remember, that I kind of go over the things that stood out to me in this conversation. Wendy has left the studio. She's on her way back to her firm's office. And what stood out in that conversation to me? And I'm curious what stood out to you as well. And one of the things that continued to leap forward to me is it seems like it's harder and harder