 the debate isn't where you're going to win or lose these. I mean, it's turning out the swing voters and making sure that the base turns out. The latter, first and foremost. But do Democrats, I don't think the Democrats really, I don't think they need someone that has gravitas. They just want an option that isn't Donald Trump, which is why they might still stick with Biden. But at the same time, I think they would be more excited to show up for someone who doesn't look like melted ice cream.