 commend them for the positive things, for obedience. Don't just accept it as a normal thing. Affirm their obedience. So we teach them to obey, and I think also by letting them suffer the consequences when they do wrong. So I said to a father once when his son was put in jail overnight because he was driving under the influence, and he said, I'm going to go down and get him out. I said, you can, but I wouldn't suggest it. He said, what do you mean?