 docetics came up with that heresy where it was as if he was a ghost-like figure. The problem with that heresy is that none of the people that were around Jesus in his historical life said that. Oh, he's like a ghost. No, they said we touched him, we saw him, we interacted with him. He sat at our tables and ate our food. He was friends of us. He spent his time and his days with us. He was not an emanation. He was a physical body. He bore a physical body.