 Is it one of those really tall ladders? It's an eight or ten foot ladder that he leaned against the building. It's not like an extension ladder. It's the kind that makes the little A. So it's, you know what I'm saying? Yes. But it's got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten counting the very top row. That's how many steps. So that's an eight foot ladder.