 who is a strong believer in probability. And recently I've been, uh, really lucky to get to know Max Bourne's grandson, who's a musician who also has the same name, uh, Max Bourne. He's the, he's the grandson, but took on, you know, was given the same name who, um, very interesting person, actually, um, uh, believer in astrology and, and, uh, I was talking, you know, discussing that with him and so forth. But anyway, um,