 If you're going to a pastor, you're trying to address something, and maybe I'll take an example of harshness. Let's just say you feel your pastor has been sinfully harsh to you, and maybe it was a pattern, and you go to them, and they just keep blaming you and keep deflecting. You would want to bring in other leaders within that church, and in some context, you're going to be able to bring in the denomination or regional leadership.