 uh it's kind of an exciting time i feel right now we've you know 30 years 20 years ago when i'm listening to coast to coast um versus now there's a lot of science that's really catching up with some of the ways that we were trying to express what we're seeing what's going on around us and whenever we tried to lay out our supernatural experiences in this book we didn't want to separate the supernatural from the natural we wanted to combine it and normalize them both existing at the same place so when you're reading the book