 But when you do that regularly, we're now creating a codependent relationship. Our direct reports never learn how to solve those problems. And all they learn is to pick up the phone and call you. And so it's all on your shoulders. And that's why we see when the flow reverses incorrectly and they're authoring too much, leaders work 70 hours or more. And it's really about how we use our time more wisely. Wills, you've worked with leaders face-to-face, eyeball-to-eyeball. I know a couple of them who you work with.