 It's not just hilarious, but there are some life lessons in this. You know, the way I got into radio, some 18, it'll soon be 19 years, I'm closing in on 20 years on radio, is after I left Washington as the undersecretary, I came back to Denver, and a local radio host wanted to do a television interview. He had a TV show and a radio show, and he wanted to interview me.