 things and that's as far as i'll go with it and i don't have a problem with that and i think just to be honest we have to say that sometimes the data are not explicable by you know uh things that we that we are familiar with and that doesn't mean that i believe everybody's story because i certainly don't and i'm 100 with you on grush i'm not convinced by that guy's secondhand information not at all and i disagree with nick pope's analogy that well if if