 not Charles Hollis, but another Charles, and said, if you'll take a bucket of hot water, just as hot as your hands can stand, and a sponge, and just do one section at a time, and he said that wallpaper will peel right off of there. And he said, once you get the wallpaper off, there'll be a little residue of glue left, but when it dries, you can just sand it lightly and paint over it. If you want to paint. Somebody's going to be painting.