 somehow we found a pizza place that was open about 10, 30, 11 at night. And that's when I really started to talk to Ed and ask him, I said, you know, Mr. Warren, do you really, do you really like believe in demonic possession and all this ghostly stuff you talked about? And he looked at me, he kind of smirked. He goes, kid, I was, you know, involved in this stuff for many, many years since I was a kid. He said, let me tell you, this stuff is real. I think he started recounting some more stories to me. And what,