 when Catherine was there and spoke. And Annette Anne Blake Tracy, 20 years ago, a mutual friend introduced me. And while I was working at her home, that was the purpose, to do some work on her yard and home and whatnot. But she had houseguests there. And her best friend, a woman named Donna Taylor, and her three sons, the middle son of which was the first shooting victim at Columbine. He had...