 So Cicero, Aristotle Cicero and Locke, and by the way, Dr. Arndt, I know why you never got done with a book when you talked with Dr. Chopra. Yeah, that's right. But was this new to him, or would the framers have said, yes, you're right, that's exactly what we were doing? Well, we can only, you know, first of all, the framers were politicians, and they were statesmen, and so their arguments are, you know, amazingly erudite, but also their practical political arguments