 Yes. David is in, um, Colorado right now. Yes. So he'll be there. There's a pretty big financial convention going on. And, um, that's out there. David learns a lot on those fact finding missions and he gets to pass it along to me and everything. And it's been such a blessing. Like I said, to get to do those, you learn so much at like on those types of events and kind of like, Oh, well maybe some other people are doing some things this way or, uh,