 but I'd want to know much more about you, sir. So you don't, you don't hear a lot of, of this sort of thing then father? No, there's a certain quantum I've come across it in, in a certain amount of people. It's a, it's a minority as far as I'm my experience goes, but it's, I've heard about it and talked with them, but I've always had to inquire about their families. There's a generational aspect to this, which must be thought out.