 uh, that experience. And he feels like he's had a good success in helping people with that. Um, I know by personal experience, when somebody passes away in the emergency department, you can handle it in a very pragmatic, clinical, mechanical way. Uh, people disperse, they call housekeeping, they move the deceased, uh, person's remains to the morgue or some other place and they clean the room and move on with, with the next patient. And, uh,