 with a presentation at Contact in the Desert. That's that big UFO shindig held near Palm Springs about two months ago. But he is not jumping on the bandwagon, not coming to the topic of late. Turns out he's been a deep student of this mystery for many years and is just finishing work on a massive book project about these mysterious craft and visitors. Thomas Jane makes his coast-to-coast debut in just a few minutes, and I know you're going to get a charge out of this conversation. Then in the second half,