 Eight, I think it was, when he was on, I want to say it was a bus, and they were like, and he's like, what did he say, Theodore Roosevelt was on television? Oh, yes! Do you remember the Theodore Roosevelt was on television speech? I do remember that. Yes, I do. I mean, he had a hundred of those types of moments back then that didn't make any sense. But he was a totally different man than he is today. I will admit that. And if you go back to the 87, when he was fairly young in 87, he was only in his 70s in 87.