 john thanks for having me it's my pleasure these church leaders they don't start you know there's a lot of people who i think they want to throw stones because they already have a beef with the church and then they find a situation where a church leader makes a mistake and they say oh you see all christians are bad they want to throw out the baby with the bath water and so often that gets mischaracterized and the church comes off looking bad but the real problem is is the church the church staff are led by human beings flawed human beings and they make mistakes so