 He, well, yeah, I mean, you have to think of the word believer. What does that really mean? Sometimes people say, well, yeah, he's just a believer, right? It means they're gullible, they will believe anything they hear, you know, whatever or something that they're interested in. Ingo was a very discriminating believer, let's say this. He was certainly convinced of the reality of extraterrestrials and, in fact, was concerned about them.