 sort of that first kind of God experience, awareness that, you know, there's more than just the material world. For me, I was eight years old. I still remember it vividly. I'm eight years old and I was the altar boy and I'm carrying this cross and the pastor's behind me and a bunch of other people. And I came at our church was a big A-frame and I don't know, about 40 feet high. And it was all stained glass with a cross in the middle. And, you know, I put the little cross over here and he'd go this way and I'd go this way. And