 I mean, she was a different person on the phone than what he was in front of you. And I guess it's just, you know what I mean, what she grew up doing, how she done it. I say grew up, we met each other when we was early 20s, or she wasn't even but 20. But yeah, she did the same thing. And like you're saying about Trump, is that he is taught, you know what I mean?