 Yes, but I just got finished listening to a couple of his podcasts literally in the last week, and it's just blowing my mind and explaining a lot of the things that I've experienced dreamwise over the years. Let's go to Ron in Spokane, Washington, west of the Rockies. Hey, Ron, go ahead, sir. Good evening. Thank you for receiving me. Sure. Just a question for our guests. If part of the therapies that they received, were they naturopathic in nature?