 at that point in time, and the Texas schools wanted it all to kind of go under one roof. And so a lot of things were pointed against Arkansas, and that's why there was a lot of discussion there. The interesting points from the Big 8's perspective, though, and this is why it really never happened, was Chuck Dynas was the commissioner from 74 to 80. I actually talked to him about, I think it was 2011, when he became the interim commissioner of the Big 12 then,