 And I'll zoom out. And this is more, I guess, the political divide, the ideological divide that exists in our country. Sometimes when I hear more liberal folks, and the best of them, I'll put it that way. I'm not talking about the usual partisan BS that goes on with people, but the best of them. It seems like there's an acceptance, like Chicago has a plan that 50% reduction in the homicide rate in the next five years, something like that.