 create the SRI remote viewing program and to run it. He was in it for 10 years. He knew Ingo? He knew Ingo, yes, quite well. In fact, he and Ingo worked together, as did Al and Ingo. And Russell has been a stalwart in the remote viewing community for decades. He's done a lot of really valuable research. And I think where his most value is is in outreach. He has introduced