 Sure. So we think, at least in the short term, 2024, this is our lull in the business cycle. We're softening now. It's a challenging year. Interest rates are high. Uncertainty is high. Inflation is still high. Not a lot of things going well here this year. So we think that really the balance of this decade is where we need to make hay. We think that the general external environment, the market environment, gets a little bit more cooperative in 2025. Not crazy, and I want to make sure I contextualize this. We're not anticipating...