 And one of the first times in my life that I realized that was happening, which really sparked me to begin to study the Word of God to find out what brokenness is all about. I was pastor of this church downtown at that time. I had very few staff members at that particular point. And having all the responsibility of the church and a small staff and three television programs. Two of them were live and one of them was recorded. And so there I was doing all of that.