 I don't know if we can get him. I don't think we can get him on this show, maybe the next one. You know, he paid on his student loans for 20 years, and he'll have them paid off in October of next year. Now, is that equitable that he pays? And I know he works two or three jobs, and he's a school teacher, and he has to work two or three jobs to pay off his student loans. I've got one thing I can say about that. I know what it is. Bullshit!