 And she savaged him in that debate. It was ugly. Well, you think the Bidens have forgotten that? No way. They hate her. So there's a lot of speculation that the real reason why Joe Biden won't get out of the race is because he does not want to see her at the top of the ticket. I can believe that. I could because people in politics have very long memories. They don't forget. There's an old saying in politics, you forgive, but you never forget. So I could see that.