 I don't know if that's something that you recall, but I believe he said that on that same interview with George. I have to say I'm not familiar with that phenomenon, but this motivates me to want to go back and listen to that show if I can figure out how to do it. I think he goes on, George, I think maybe two or three times. He was on with Art, I think, the first time. Oh, yeah. Years gone by. I know that because I was on with him. He won it.