 So we, I think JL was born, our daughter, who's now 12, she was born three years after our marriage. And it was from praying, Lord, please open the womb. Please open the womb. Did you have a time of infertility that you didn't know if you could get pregnant? Yeah, so I've never sought medical treatment. It wasn't anything that we pursued or really fought for, apart from just praying and praying and praying.