 And that doesn't mean that I believe everybody's story, because I certainly don't. And I'm 100% with you on Grush. I'm not convinced by that guy's secondhand information, not at all. And I disagree with Nick Pope's analogy that, well, if somebody told him about nuclear weapons, we don't have to understand that to believe him. This is different. He's talking about stuff that we're not even familiar with. So I've got a problem with him. I'm not saying he's lying. I just have a problem with him, much along the lines of what you were saying.