 There were so many more fish than we think of as normal. I mean, we think of these fish that are abundant now. They were so much more abundant back then. And there's extraordinary stories. The wonderful story about when Europeans were sailing to the Tortugas down in the Caribbean, they used to be able to navigate the last, I think, 20 miles or something in because they could follow the sound. There were so many turtles feeding on the seagrass beds that you could hear their shells.