 So we moved to Los Angeles in 1998, which is interestingly the same time that they started this journey of fostering and adopting. And we had always, as Christians, felt called to foster and adopt at some point. But we were living in Los Angeles. We had three of our own kids. We always felt like we had more than we could handle. It was like this dream, someday we will foster and adopt. And I think a lot of people feel that. There's so many Christians I talk to that are like,