 and so forth, and now they're having healthy kids and all of a sudden the other... And so those two ladies, they... Char and Marge, her sister, they... What should I say? They have taken this to the next level when it comes to somebody with no college education, no degree. They have a college education, but they don't have a degree from a legitimate college. You don't need one. You don't need one. And those two ladies...