 would be Dr. John McDougall, who has passed away. Just passed away. Just passed away, yeah. Yeah, what a shame. What a treasure that guy was. But George, I remember listening to that show the first time he was on or so, and his thing was the starch solution. So, you know, eat all the pasta and bread, and so no meat, no dairy, no free oil. You avoid that stuff. Eat all the bread. Anyways, I...