 psychic or ESP based discipline. Was he born with this gift? Well, uh, remember what I said, everybody's born with it, but yeah, he developed it himself. He didn't, he didn't get taught about it. Although, so he was born in Telluride, Colorado. Um, he was a Westerner. He was born in Telluride, Colorado. And then he grew up in Utah, which is the state I live in now. Um,