 you look at people who have the experiences or you look at the customs and beliefs and you study them and you draw your conclusions from those without having to present the case, you know, to the jury sort of thing. And that takes away a lot of the heat and the taboo that's around these subjects because, I mean, for example, when I was doing a PhD and I was doing it on modern witchcraft and I still got the fact that I would tell people this