 He said, surrender is the key to true spirituality. And he gave an agricultural example in John chapter 12. He says, unless a grain of wheat fall into the earth and die, it remains by itself alone. In other words, if you take a grain of wheat, keep it out here, but if you bury it, let it die, then it brings forth much fruit. And he says, that's a picture of the spiritual life. And then he goes on in verse 25 to say, there are some people,