 Because those are the things people fight for. They want to back out of the fight. And they prefer not to have the fight. But the notion here that people don't fight for ideas, they only fight for it because it's an abstraction, he said. They only fight for their home. People have been fighting for ideas since the Peloponnesian War. It's just a bizarre thing to say. I'm going back to the surrendering on economic policy, which I think is what the nationalist right does. I mean, it's not like we're at Reagan and Thatcher who slammed Hayek's book on the table and said, this is what we believe, as opposed to Macmillan's Third Wayism.