 that he views this as bigger than any one person, right? So he doesn't view himself as a victim at all. The way he sees it is what he calls next man up. And so if you want to see his full answer about that, he talks about it in the interview, and that's the first question. And he also says, don't waste time writing to me. I'm not going to read your letters. We've got a country to save, so get busy. A classic kind of Bannon statement.