 he's young, he's energetic, he's great on TV, he is a master debater. Some of you figure out why there's a pregnant pause there. Say it quick, you'll see what I mean. I will never say it quick. Like I said, he's really good on television with these liberal hosts. He understands the position of the conservative movement. And he's written, literally written a book about the plight of middle class America and the hollowing out of our culture in middle class America called Hillbilly Elegy, which even liberals read and liked.