 Mills have closed and the car companies have packed up and gone with a drug problem and deaths of despair. I thought his speech was great, but Mary Catherine described him to me in a way that was arresting. She said, and she knows him offstage. I only know him onstage. I moderated a debate with him. I've interviewed him scores of times, but I only know him publicly. She told me he's quite kind, and I was very surprised by that. Do you know J.D. Vance?