 I love the story he tells in Hillbilly Elegy of going to the recruitment dinner with Gibson Dunn. I told him in that interview, and I've interviewed him a score of times, that it reminded me of my interview with Gibson Dunn and Crutcher in 1982 in Ann Arbor. David Krinsky was the lawyer in charge of that, but there were a bunch of people who came out. And they put four or five lawyers, and they called down the list of people they want to make maybe a summer offer to, to six or seven. And it's usually a big elaborate deal.