 at the Jorgensen Auditorium. I just had started dating Judy, their daughter, probably about a month prior. And she said to me one day, hey, you'd like to see my parents lecture at University of Connecticut? And she didn't talk about her parents for that first month. So I said, what are they, college professors or what? She laughed and she said, no, they're not college professors. They're ghost hunters. She said, psychic researchers.