 Oh, he was like a ghost. No, they said we touched him, we saw him, we interacted with him. He sat at our tables and ate our food. He was friends of us. He spent his time and his days with us. He was not an emanation. He was a physical body. He bore a physical body. He was the word incarnate, the word dwelling among sinners, eating in physical homes with physical people, none of whom recorded as having said they thought he was a ghost. The necessity for salvation was for the Messiah to come and live a perfectly righteous life, perfectly physical,