 In the podcast, this very pro-life dude who's been speaking out on the issue since he was 19, like, he is the dude. So he has the bona fides. He's got the bona fides. He's the real deal. He starts talking about the fact, and I've read William Wilberforce's book by Eric Metaxas. I did not realize Wilberforce was an incrementalist. Did you?