 man i'm being honest but don't even mention that dude i'm being honest it's just the way of the world today from uh craig vault says the bachelor he sent me the info it did start in 02 so it's 20 years in the making 25 seasons already been on television you know they can do more no it really wasn't that but it started probably 2012 because they have two seasons two per year well it's 2002 when it started they just not always do two seasons a year yeah