 But Bob Woodruff outmaneuvered them. The first game was in Tennessee. Tennessee won. Bob Woodruff outmaneuvered them. And it ended up being a home-and-home series both at Neyland Stadium. That's great. With the second game being at home. And Penn State lost both of them. That's amazing. So it was one of the few times that Joe Paterno got outwitted. And it was Bob Woodruff was the reason. Bob was a legendary athletic director. He was there when I was in school. And Revere, I'm glad to hear you mention him. So...