 If you're standing outside your body, looking down at your body, how can you have that experience if you're depending on your physiology for it? So a lot of people, like I said, try to rationalize this by using physical phenomena. And I'm on the other side of the fence. I'm saying, look, no, there's a non-physical phenomena going on here. I call it a hyperbit cloud, you know, this mental informational system. And that's what's interacting with the physical.