 at the expense of what makes civilization, then it collapses. And far greater people than myself and you and all of us were observers of what was happening in Rome. So if you read the Satyricon, a really brilliant novel by Petronius, or Catullus' poems, or Suetonius' Lives of the Twelve Caesars, or Tacitus', they all have one common denominator. And one of them is perversity, and they define that by excess in food, fashion, but especially sexuality.