 Is it one of those really tall ladders? It's an 8 or 10 foot ladder that he leaned against the building. It's not like an extension ladder. It's the kind that makes the little A. So it's, you know what I'm saying? Yes. But it's got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 counting the very top row.