 But because he said this to judges and to legislatures, the court found it had to be truthful, and the court found he knew it was untruthful, and therefore he was disbarred. I don't think he's going to get his license back. In most states, disbarment is permanent. In New York, it's not. It's for five years. I think he's 80 years old. I don't know that he wants to practice law when he's 85. I know Rudy, and I feel sorry for him. He can get carried away at times.