 I don't know, but as I go into my book, JFK just had to go meet with President Eisenhower in Palm Springs after a full year in office in 62, and there are gaps in his schedule. And he met with Eisenhower in person. Why they couldn't speak over the phone, they had met in Camp David earlier, but he just had to go see Ike and spend some time alone unrecorded. And then here's the remarkable part.