 like west germany never relinquished okay um they're never going to give up we're not going to never join nato that may be 10 years off but they'll never get that up but saying you are where you are i am where we accept that today now there's there's a couple of reasons why that just kind of makes sense three one is there is no scenario where the ukrainians can build up enough conventional combat power to take back the entire country with ground forces right they just don't know the population and even if they did they