 But he very clearly more than a decade and a half ago was not going to get anything accomplished. And in fact, he maneuvered Virgin Galactic perfectly so that he could pump the stock price up and then dump it at the right time. And he did. He's now pretty much not part of the company anymore. He's got a small share in the company. He did try to keep the company alive, but he got out when he could at the top dollar of the stock price.