 Let's take a short break. If you're just joining us, my guest is Shane Goldmacher, correspondent with The New York Times covering the presidential campaign. We'll continue our conversation after a short break. This is Fresh Air. This is Fresh Air. And today we're talking to Shane Goldmacher with The New York Times. He's been reporting on the presidential campaign and the money behind it. Shane Goldmacher is a national political correspondent covering national politics and the 2024 campaign.