 As we're visiting, he's asking these great questions. You're seeing it. I think the big thing I like to use is when you first sat down with me, your face kind of looking at me, you got like a 20 watt light bulb. Then as we talk more and more, it turns into a 40 watt light bulb. You see how much brighter it's getting? Well, he got to about a 40 or 50 watt light bulb after about two and a half hours. But during all that conversation, he kept asking me, he said, what do I owe you? You don't owe me anything.