 You know, both can absolutely be and are just a source for comfort for people, a source of the kind of answers we're looking for to live happier, better lives, to connect with our community, all of that. And so I see a lot more parallels now than I used to. So you had made a career in science and you'd been fascinated by it even as a child. But I gather you never necessarily expected it to sustain your soul. I mean, what did it look what did you look to science to do for you?