 She's like, well, nobody's ever needed this before. What are you talking about, Carl? I'm not going to waste my money on that. And so I think that's kind of the challenge. And when you talk about long-term care with people, the ones that have seen relatives or friends of theirs go through it, they understand. And those that haven't, like her, go, nobody's ever needed it. I don't need that. I mean, that's probably part of the battles, I would imagine.