 What do you do when the gender rules don't work? I'm Josh Landy and this is Philosophy Talk, the program that questions everything. Accept your intelligence. I'm Blakey Vermeule and we're thinking about gender with Ray Briggs, co-author of What Even Is Gender? Got questions about how gender shapes us? Email us at comments at philosophytalk.org or comment on our website. And while you're there, you can become a subscriber and dive into our library of more than 500 episodes.