 even contract with an HR director from time to time. I know it's becoming an increasingly important part of the workplace. And in fact, a Stanford economist I interviewed on the show not too long ago said his next piece of research was the growing influence of HR in the boardroom. But you got to wonder how many people, other than perhaps those listening to shows like this, would ever learn about this type of thing. So it's a bit frightening for my listeners out there, I would say.