 I coached him upstairs, and what I did is I got him out of that environment he was in. And once we sat down and we went through all this, he said, I understand. The light came on, that first light bulb. He actually had about a 60-watt light bulb come on. Well, what I'm making is I get a phone call a few days later. He asked me, can my wife and I come to your office?