 Followed the game. Follows all sports. He's a huge sports fan. And you and I both had him on the 5460. And if you listen to that podcast, it would change your impression of what Reggie Jackson's all about. It's no question. I knew him from the movie. I used to see him at Pebble Beach. I'll never forget. He pulled up on the third hole when I was teeing on him. He said,