 Well, he got to about a 40 or 50 watt live bubble after about two and a half hours. But during all that conversation, he kept asking me, so what I owe you, you don't owe me anything. And I explained to him how I get paid. And also that, you know, what we do here is make sure that we take care of people to come in and get them in the right position where they're not going to have their money. OK, we went through all that.