 and what their budget was, what they're getting accomplished, and I think you need to look to where you can trim. I went to this meeting or this training where they tell you all about the different offices and what they do, and this one group came and said, well, we got this new computer system. We increased productivity by 40%, and I went up to them afterwards and I said, were you able to reduce staff with that increase in productivity? And they're, no, no, no, we need everybody we got. So...