 there's this thing called pig butchering that I never even heard of a year and a half ago or two years ago and it's just one thing after another the criminals are getting better at it they're much more organized than they were 20 years ago so I'm very passionate about preventing fraud and every time I do a presentation it seems like I meet someone who's a victim and a lot of times they walk up to me in tears or just look downtrodden or just completely defeated and