 a distinction in the interests of those who have to sell their labor power to live and those who control the machinery of profit-making and exploitation. This is not rocket science. There are plenty of conservatives who wouldn't disagree with that picture. Let's be clear. So it seems to me that the huge obstacle in this whole discussion that we're having is trying to imagine a world without capitalism, a post-capitalist future. I mean, I've heard people say that it is easier to imagine the end of the world