 and the sentence that could be meted out to him should he be found guilty. But those are a lot of ifs. The one thing that is clear is that there won't be a trial right away. It's going to go back down to Judge Chutkan, as Carrie was describing, and that could take some time because she's got to sort out what can be called official acts and what cannot, and that, too, may well be appealed. So we're probably looking at weeks, months, possibly decades,