 sitting on the train tracks in the jungles in Mexico, being locked in a safe house for days in Mexico City, and really talking to these folks about how they had gotten to this point, what work was like, how much money they made, what their dreams and aspirations were, if they could ever get away from these things. But a lot of it was me not being really prepared for this at all, but I think a lot of these guys saw me as a therapist.