 And before you know it, I was subbing with the band, with him and Uncle Lionel, all the fellas. Yeah, late Uncle Lionel. Late Uncle Lionel. And, yeah, so about 15 years ago I started subbing, and maybe for the past 10 years I've been doing most of the gigs. How is it to transition from classical music to New Orleans traditional jazz? I mean, what are the challenges of doing that? Well, you talked about the divide between jazz. Modern jazz and traditional jazz. Modern jazz and traditional jazz.