 You know, it's kind of interesting. I was doing fiction and poetry, and then I sold my house and moved to Philly and was hanging out just writing, and a friend of mine said, oh, well, your nonfiction is much better than what you've been doing. So I ended up going to the news school, and my professor there said, you should try doing The Moth. It's a really good way to promote your writing, which is the way I thought about it for a while. I thought, okay, you know, I was a shy person. I never did speech and debate in high school. I never did drama.