 uh look i like to think that logic rhetoric oratory has something to do with politics but that's that's basic stuff the smarter version is when people say politics it's not about winning arguments it's about winning popularity okay that's true but popularity in a buck fifty i'll get you a cup of coffee if you don't turn out on election day so then the smarter people they say no politics it's not about winning arguments it's not about winning popularity it's about winning votes you got to get the votes okay yeah well that's closer you're getting closer