 not being able to really see your own boundaries you feel in a way maybe what the overview effect can also give you you feel like you transcend yourself a little bit you talked with one astronomer who said that if you really want to get the effect it just bowls you over you have to be able to see at least 450 stars yeah like 400 okay so there is a sort of a boundary for how many stars you need yeah so 450 stars well we don't have that in amsterdam