 You also mentioned that you have two young kids. It's not as if you're just going off having these experiences of awe. I mean, you're dealing with the messiness of daily life, reading about all the troubles in the world, the wars and poverty and authoritarianism and all of that while you are seeking these transcendent experiences. And I'm wondering sort of how do you make sense of the overview effect? How do you put that in context in the midst of all this stuff that happens in our lives?