 And I think that one of the things he brings to this ticket, besides he's a different generation certainly, besides he's very, very articulate, exceedingly smart, but he's had some amazing life experiences that I think people will be able to relate to once they get to know him and to know what he has been through. I mean, so many families in Ohio and across this country have someone who has an addiction problem, for example. This is something that he's seen in his own family growing up. And I think that