 uh let me think about it it's becoming milestone and it's becoming like you know uh it's a step forward in a relationship uh on some level some commitment so we're speaking with munchie soon reporter at the wall street journal the story is called they're dating but he's still just a phone number in her contact list all right so you open the story with this uh is it tisha saffold or tca saffold from i think they're like the virginia area what did she go through