 And it's very rare that you get such an insight and you get them to say it so explicitly. But in this case, Michael Giordano, the vice president of business affairs for the Walt Disney Company in Burbank, California, he says that we do not hire white people. And in the HR department, we use certain buzzwords and code words to circumvent the law. Pretty shocking stuff there, Charlie. And I mean, it sort of speaks for itself.