 So anyway, that's, uh, uh, started, started sculpting and then, uh, it just kept evolving. And then when I got on the board of the Pippin, I got to meet some fabulous, fabulous, uh, Western artists and their supporters. And, and then, uh, being up here, we listening to music all the time. We met all kinds of musicians and then we, uh, we just started, uh,