 wow, this really is the new digital world, isn't it? You clearly know each other pretty well, and yet you've just met like one time in person. Yes. Yeah, and I remember when we met, it just felt normal. It didn't feel like, oh, we're meeting for the first time. It just felt like, hi, you know? Yeah, because in a sense, we have known each other. I think in the digital space, you encounter each other through your thinking and your work, and there's something intimate, actually, I think, about that. Yeah, yeah, mm-hmm.