 do you know any of these guys first of all i know you've met the biden's many times over the years but do you know any of these other guys who are have key positions but nobody really knows who they are talking about a guy named jeffrey zines he's the chief of staff i'm talking about jake sullivan he is the uh... national security adviser uh... i'm talking about a guy named tom donnellan these are very important people in joe's circle although nobody knows who they are