 is that he's transactional and i don't say that as an insult like guys like you and and me and some of these old school guys have been in the conservative movement me kind of conservatarian we're really passionate about this i mean you know don't kill babies like i i'm not that's like my thing like you know i always say like we can argue tax policy we want but if you're dead you're not really paying taxes so that's like kind of my thing like don't whack babies you know