 eight years as a vice president, and now three years as a president, has a bad debate, a hideous debate. Got it. Everyone has turned on him, except maybe his hunter. His dog never liked him, clearly. And his wife. When we come back, more with the real brains behind the success of the Ruthless podcast, not the overrated Josh Holmes or the comfortably smug. Back in a moment, Brian Kilmeade in Milwaukee.