 And Roberto was one of the first people that I ran into, and he asked me what I was doing, and I tried to explain to him what an anthropologist was. I had just written a book about the U.S.-Mexico border, about migrants dying in the desert. And he said something very simple to me. He said, you know, everybody talks to migrants about their stories, but no one ever talks to smugglers, smugglers like me and my friends here. And he says, you know, people always think of us as the bad guys, but they never ask us about our lives and about why we're here.