 i don't know that they do i don't know they look at the same i think the the details of what that means you know to us when we think of that i think you have to communicate that and even though you can make a case obviously that the city of san francisco is not what it once was and it's it's it's uh... got a whole host of sociological uh... management problems i think you have to sort of explain what that is i think part of this too