 And on the podcast, it wasn't possible because it was a moving story and there were safety concerns to also contend with. So some people who were speaking to us as reporters were telling us why they were on the street, but they were very reluctant to have those voices on radio at that particular stage. And we've got to recognise that as an important factor. And when we did the same story on the other platform that I look after, which is the Focus Television, we had some brave people who had...