 I would think the success is having a company and not looking that way, not working that hard, not killing yourself just to get ahead. And that's what I've believed since I was 34 years old. I believe that you've got to work your way from being dependent on corporate America to becoming independent as an independent business person and owning your own business, and then eventually working your way out of that dependency and becoming interdependent, allowing other people to run your businesses.