 Okay, so my husband, he was really into lifestyle when we first started. And I was more, I was not very much into it, but I would support him from a distance. I'd say, oh, great, honey, that's awesome. That's great. I don't want to know anything about it, but just go ahead and don't lose money. And it was cool because I didn't realize that that was one of Dell's rules, that don't lose money. So then the expo was coming up, and I knew he was going to go with or without me.