 and a brother, a very good brother to him, but he doesn't have what I would say would be the advantage of empire at this point. He's making it up as he goes along. And one of the things he makes up is the Bernie plan. So when we come back, what does that mean, the Bernie plan for R101? The book is His Majesty's Airship, Sam Gwynn, S.C. Gwynn is the author, The Life and Tragic Death of the World's Largest Flying Machine. I'm John Baxter.