 Are we converting or can he just take out a bunch? He could just take it out and pay the tax on it. Yeah, right. I think that's what I would do. I don't even think you have to convert because they've got so much money and there's no kids. So, I mean, just take the money out, pay the tax it's due, and add it to your brokerage account. That's what I would do. Good idea, Mark. Brilliant. Brilliant. I mean, either way, it's ordinary income.