 But I always say the best way to understand debates, the best way to think about presidential debates, is to think about back to the 1840s. And in the 1840s, you had a Whig party, which was somewhat the predecessor to the Republicans, and then sort of a Democratic party. The one thing they had in common was that neither of them was willing to take on the issue of enslavement. Neither of them was willing to take on the issue of