 And the interesting thing was that in those years, there was a guy named James Burney, who was a remarkable figure. He had been a Southerner. He moved to Michigan. He became an abolitionist. And he ran twice for president of the United States on the ticket of what was called the Liberty Party. And it was an abolitionist party. And James Burney got significant votes in both of those elections. He was a credible candidate. He had been involved in politics for a long time.