 If you look at it, HCA or Dignity Health, I mean, these are number one and number two. You can go to Providence. You can look at all of these guys. They are all losing billions of dollars a year. So they're all very, very concerned about costs. But they're not investing in the technology that will actually allow them to save costs long term. And the excuses for that are that they don't have the money to invest in it today.