 Thanks, Mark. We are visiting with Dr. Jeff Gibbs, a beloved Bible teacher and regular conversation partner with us. Welcome back to the program, Jeff. Thanks, Mike. It's a pleasure to be here. The message today was about pastors, and we hear in the book of Acts how when the followers of Jesus planted new Christian communities, they also went back and made sure to appoint elders for these communities. Then later in Acts chapter 20, we hear Paul saying,