 The reason I got my job in the Macintosh division was nepotism. So my college classmate and friend hired me. I didn't have the right background in work or academics. So after I interview with Steve, my friend goes to Steve and says, you know, so what did you think of Guy? And Steve says to him, well, I guess he's okay, but if he screws up, I'm going to fire you too. So that was my ringing endorsement of Guy.