 Just out of curiosity, Van, how did you go back and research what happened at that meeting? Did you look at videos or transcripts or maybe there were just minutes? Oh, well, there's great minutes. There's also some, you know, lots of folks who actually were delegates to the early conventions in Chantilly, Virginia, who are still leading climate orgs and still doing the work. So there's lots of there were lots of contemporaneous events.