 That's NPR's Mary Louise Kelly with Secretary of State Antony Blinken today at the Aspen Security Forum. You can find a link to their conversation in full, which also covered China, Iran and more at our website, NPR.org. This is NPR News. It's 429 headlines from NPR coming up next as all things considered continues. This is K.A.W.C. Yuma, K.A.W.P. Parker.