 No, they can't survive without it. And then they simultaneously say, it's so essential NPR would disappear without it, but it's so inconsequential that it doesn't affect at all the kind of stories they do. They both can't be true. Well, they send the money out, and then the money comes back in. So depending on how you count it, some people say it's only 1%. But then they get, they require that the National Public Radio people buy from them certain things. So it's somewhere between 20% and 30% of