 And we didn't have cell phones in 1980. So he would call you every couple of days. So how are we doing? I mean, that's how we became very good friends. When I went to the construction site, I was building over by the UN when it was in construction. I walked to the top of it. I saw him asking the drywall guys if they were happy. Donald Trump always had a policy that any employee could have a private sit down with him at will.