 I was never really very interested in politics growing up, and I was well into my 30s before politics started in the sort of Periclean dictum, taking an interest in me. And I found out invading the spaces that I occupied, and so I found myself forced to deal with it. And was that the gaming world, or where was that? Yeah, yeah, it was the gaming world, yeah. And I had always considered myself quite liberal, just in the sort of small... In the British sense? In the British sense, but I was quite soft,