 you've been a pastor, you've been preparing pastors and involved in that work for over 40 years. Is that right? That's correct. Yeah. How would you emphasize and clarify Paul's words for us for our time? I think that, uh, we always exist in a moment in time and in a culture. Um, and, uh, American culture, which is the only one I know, uh, even though I know it imperfectly, of course, uh, has an obsession with, uh,