 deeper answers and and you know i whenever i whenever i take someone on a pilgrimage i say the first thing you have to remember is that this isn't travel it's not tourism that and i think so much of our life is a tourist experience where we're trying to to get something out of it or we're trying to kind of you know um uh squeeze everything we can out of it and pilgrimage is the opposite thing right it's about it's about sort of having something sort of revealed to us