 and to the need of solitude and being in the natural world by myself. And that's when I started to fish. I was 12, and I would go all by myself to the beach, Copacabana Beach, and just spend hours alone fishing. I mean, what kid does that? And I was surrounded by all these other guys who were just like retired men. And they were always like, what is this kid doing here? And I was just there hanging out, looking at the horizon,