 I remember her telling me her first, I think, week as a police chief where she had to deal with a hostage standoff on the Berkeley campus in Cal Berkeley and make critical life and death decisions on how to employ a SWAT team as this super green police chief. Right. And one of the first women police chiefs in the nation, I think probably in the 80s at this time. And so that was amazingly impactful on me as at the time someone about to become a lieutenant in the army.