 And she keeps Hope alive and she never gives up. Are all the hostages family like that? Wow, that's a tough question to answer. It's a pretty mixed group. I would say some are very outspoken and visible the way she is. And I think her outspokenness, Hugh, is a big reason why her son is okay. I mean, he's not okay. He's being held hostage. And he's medically fragile, but he's alive.