 free trade policies that do not respect the environment, do not respect workers, do not respect democracy, was a good thing to do. It was good that he was there. And I guess that's what I would emphasize, is that whether a third party gets in a debate, gets enough traction developed to become a second party. Now, it wasn't debates that made the Republicans a second party. It was the reality of the 1850s coming into the Civil War.