 I called him, and he just did a fascinating book. And I called him to get to know him. And so Fran and I have gotten to know him and gotten to know his wife, Usha. They're just marvelous people. And, you know, tomorrow night, really, this country for the first time will be really introduced to both of them. And it's an amazing story. His is an amazing story of what he went through. He had a very tough, tough childhood.