 He's a minister with the school for it, and he lives in St. Louis, and he travels around the country. And we're talking about killing Jesus. We're talking about the game, too. But he wanted to know a lot of the stuff that we had in Killing Jesus. There's no religion there in that book, but it's all history. I told him where we got it and how we got it, and he was fascinated by it. He's a good guy. I've known Daryl for a while. He's a Hall of Famer. And then in the booth, Doc Gooden was there, Mike Piazza.