 I don't think that most Americans who are in that middle, who are trying to decide with an open, honest mind, who are not just partisan loyalists, I don't think most of the people who watch that debate came away saying, that's the guy I want to be, have as my president. So the reason I'm parsing this is that I don't think Biden, I don't think Trump gained votes, but I do think Biden lost votes. Jeffrey Engel is director of the Center for Presidential History at Southern Methodist University. Jeffrey, thanks for walking us through all this. Can we talk about something fun next time?