 Well, the Biden from 10, 20 years ago, I mean, my understanding, John, he wasn't really that smart. He wasn't really an expert. He wasn't really, you know, he's a politician. Some of them are good. Some of them are mediocre. Some are mediocre politicians. Big smile and a handshake. Was there anything more to Joe Biden than that ever? Well, you did a tremendous interview when you interviewed Bill, what was his name? Stevenson. Stevenson and Joe Biden's ex-husband.