 We're speaking with Anatoly Zak. He keeps the Russian space web, a subscription site I recommend for the stories of the 1960s that we'll see reproduced again in the 21st century with the ambition to reach Mars. And when we come back, interplanetary travel. That was part of the dream for Roscosmos in 67. David Livingston, Dr. Space of the Space Show. This is Hotel Mars, episode N. I'm John Baxter.