 You're back with On Point. I'm Meghna Chakrabarty. And today, Jason DeLeon joins us. He's a professor of anthropology and Chicana, Chicano studies at UCLA. Also executive director of the Undocumented Migration Project. And he's author of the book, Soldiers and Kings, Survival and Hope in the World of Human Smuggling. And the book chronicles all that he learned in the seven years he spent embedded with smugglers taking refugees.