 Ann Applebaum is a historian and writer for The Atlantic magazine who joins us now. Thanks so much for being with us. Thanks for having me. Are there issues that Marine Le Pen and France and other right-wing parties share when they make their appeal? Yes, I think roughly you can sort them into two different groups. One is a group of parties who have serious designs on democracy, who, if they took power, would begin to degrade institutions more.