 Like we were talking about the plumeria. It never got really warm during their flowering and ripening cycle. There was a lot of water, so it forced the plants to grow but not really produce flowers. But don't give up. No, every year is different. You can have your best year ever this year. You never know. And Carolyn, thank you for the comment about plants having to survive with minimal attention. That is my approach too. Sometimes accidentally. We call it what, that benign neglect.