 as a kind of leverage to get Trump to talk more about cutting spending. In the end of the day, Hugh, and by the way, his endorsement is hugely important. You know why? Because you have a libertarian candidate on your ticket. And he can peel off some of those libertarians to the Trump. He could make the difference. Well, he said, no, I said to him, I said, Senator, Joe Biden's a big government socialist. He said, yes, yes, I know. He said, there's no question that I prefer Trump over Biden. No question about it.