 made him understand the international community and made him understand how people from different parts of the world can come together and kind of you know move in the same direction at least at one point they were so the bottom-up approach part john comes from uh basically listening to americans listening to people listening to even foreigners residents in the united states that are usually it's like what they call the taxi cab test or maybe called the uber test where you go to a foreign country and the first thing you ask your uber drivers what do you think of the politics and so