 you are not disputing the horrors of what happened to American Indians over the centuries. In fact, you call it the apocalypse, but you're saying that's only one part of the story. Right. What I'm saying is that 1890, the massacre at Mundani, which for Dee Brown and so many others was the point at which Indian cultures and Indian tribes really ceased to exist as such, was not the end of anything. What I'm positing is that that was a very low point.