 making a joke or laughing with a friend, whether you're unhappy, which is, I mean, if you're happy, that's great. If you're unhappy, it's even better because it's a de-stressor, that's for sure. Humor in a very dark situation could be a bit of a life vest. That's Julia Louis-Dreyfus. You could hear her full conversation with Tom Power on our podcast, Cue with Tom Power, wherever you get your podcasts.