 There was a debate at the time whether he was serious. That's the year he launched his book. So the argument was he was just doing this to promote the book, Art of the Deal. But I think he was pretty serious about it. Of course, he goes on Oprah Winfrey and talks about it. There was a movement. People loved Trump and loved him back then before his politics were understood and before his politics, I think, in some fashion had evolved.