 contacted someone and said, hey, I'd really like to have a chat with you because you have this experience or because you held this title or because you're in this agency or because you have this job and I'd like to hear more about it, who told me no? There's not been one single person and I really believe if you just say, I'm interested in hearing more about you and what you do and how you got where you are, that they would love to talk to you. So put yourself out there, build that network