 I appreciate this hearing, and I think it's very productive, and we'll get a lot of work done as a result. Okay, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Winstrup, you are now recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is something that's very passionate to me, and I think it's vital that we learn from programs that have found some success. You know, but what is success? You just mentioned it's not paperwork. It's not getting paperwork done. That is not success. And often we vote for bills that sound real good. They have a really nice-sounding title.