 And that's one of the things that I try to censor, you know, a lot of the work that, you know, I, that I do myself, but also the collective in the context of African Women on Project. And, and also there's a, there's an access issue here too, with, you know, these conversations, you know, could you, could you talk a little bit about the access to these collaborative, because they're, we're doing it right now. Right. And I'm, you know, and it's, it's, it's creating a way of thinking, informing,