 I was a little more comfortable with my own skin than I was early on working for Obama. So I knew that I wanted, I needed to build that trust with him. But a couple weeks into working for him, I was in the Oval Office and I was giving him an update on reporters and what they were asking about. And he said, pull up a chair. I was like, okay, pull up a chair in the Oval Office. And I said to him, I know this isn't something you should say to a president, which by the way, once that comes out of your mouth.