 Again, Turkey, the list goes on and on, and a nuclear proliferation in those areas is not going to make any of us any safer. So the stakes are very high, but like I said, just convening, a show of force that we are united, and because of Putin's actions, NATO is more united than ever. It's amazing. Senator John Bozeman, Republican from Arkansas, and Senator Maggie Hassan, Democrat from New Hampshire, interviewed by Paul Fagan of the McCain Institute.