 a judge who wasn't sure would often say, I said this often and other judges said, I said, well, let me wait. If I'm dissenting, I'm not sure. I'd say, well, I'm not sure about the result, but I'm going to wait and see any opinion. And then I'll decide then. And yeah, you could probably persuade me, but I want to see your opinion first. And so those two things were working in tandem. And