 But it also, I gave something to her. I think I brought something to her life in that she needs to know how black women live, you know, from a personal perspective, not from sitting across the table at a meeting perspective. Mm-hmm. Do that make sense? Mm-hmm. And so I think that interchanged because we went through turbulent times while I was at NOW. I mean, you know, you're talking about from O.J. Simpson to the affirmative action battles to internal battles that was racially motivated.