 So that we get to that yes or that no, or we get to a commitment in answering the question. So talking about the basement, you know, saying, who are you running against? These are definitely off track. Those are places the moderator should have regained control. And in our report, we found that between 2016 and 2020, it got really bad. They lost control over 60 times in those debates. And that's a really good example of what happens when you lose control of the conversation.