 and there's no sort of in-person audience. It'll just be the two moderators, Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, and not even any campaign staff are allowed to sort of intercede even with their two commercial breaks. So there's a sense of sort of heightened anticipation, expectations. There are sort of protests whittled around, but there's also the sort of security zone is so large here that it's not something that the candidates will particularly interact with unless they're on their way on their motorcade into the venue.