 What stuck with me about him was the realness of him. And this is something people don't always see. But I had kind of tried to say to them, I don't know if you should consider me for this job. He doesn't really know me very well. I mean, could I brief at the podium? I think I could. I did at the State Department and other places. But he doesn't know me very well. And it's so important to capture the voice of someone. And I will say about him, you know,