 You know, I mean, he's not, so he has this perception that's all, the perception of him is so different from how he actually is as kind of a cerebral person. He's extremely efficient in many ways. So efficient. And how he does like briefing and prep, and you know, well, you better go in there with like four points because you've got about four minutes. And like, if he's intrigued by something you're saying, he'll ask a follow-up. And if not, he'll like keep walking with a cup of coffee in his hands, right? So you knew over time there's an efficiency to him.