 Yes, and of course there's an age component here, but generally there is no penalty for men when it comes to parenthood. That's what our analysis found. They actually experience an increase in earnings. So fathers earn about three times more than men with no children under 18. So the gap there is roughly 23% as of 2023. And so that's really interesting because we see such a big jump between those two groups. We don't really see that with women who don't have children and with mothers.