 about what it is that we need to be doing and how we need to do it and who we're doing it for. We're not doing it for ourselves. We're doing it for our people. And so I just think that that's important. And that's what I want to hear. I know some of them. I know some of those guys that's going to be there. I know of their work. I continue to keep up with it. I take the time to read and do the research because you have to stay up on it.