 how to charm people and win them over. And that's why he was Duke Ellington. And that's why Richard Nixon was Richard Nixon. He probably did that. Maybe he had four cheeks. Larry, we're going to take a little break here, and then I'm going to come back and ask you some more questions. I'm enjoying this conversation this morning. My guest today is Larry Tye. He's the author of Jazz Men, How Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, and Count Basie Transformed America. The show's on the margin. My name's Jethro Burt Miller. The station's WPFW 89.3 FM.