 I mean, as far as not talking to reporters, she was like, Charlene, don't do it. No matter what, don't talk to reporters. Don't do it. And to this day, I don't talk to reporters. I'm still in district government, but I don't talk to reporters. So I was her executive assistant at that time. From 2003 to her death, I was her executive assistant. When did I realize Wanda was a badass? I realized Wanda was a badass when she was having a meeting with Mayor Williams and the community.