 for the Biden campaign, there wasn't one memorable exchange where you can say that is where the president laid out what they're going to run on for the next four months. Yeah, I was watching the debate with those rules in place, with the mics muted, and you just wonder, like, what kind of face are you supposed to make when someone says something horrible about you? So it's just the performative aspect of it. Thank you very much, Karen. We appreciate it. Have a great day. That is ABC News White House correspondent Karen Travers.