 Coming up at 5 p.m. Eastern time, it's Washington Today here on C-SPAN Radio, a wrap-up of the day's events, including this hearing with Secretary Buttigieg. If you can't listen live at 5 p.m. Eastern time, that's when Washington Today airs here on C-SPAN Radio, you can always get it as a podcast and listen on demand. You can find it at c-span.org forward slash podcasts. You can find it on the podcast tab of the C-SPAN Now mobile app