 He's just a person who feels more at risk of saying something so crazy, so offensive, doing something that it turns people off. And they've no control over that as much as he is also energizing and engaging his base because he is campaigning as the aggrieved and touches taps into the aggrieved. So I don't know. I would think. What do you think? Jen Psaki, say more lessons from work, the White House and the world. Joined by Dan Pfeiffer of Pod Save America.