 and it happens and it's done. Slack, back and forth, email, it's not the same. I think that's the essential crux that nobody's figured out. Just my two cents. I think it is definitely a challenge and it only makes it more challenging that every employee operates differently and everyone works a little bit differently. Maybe some people prefer it that way. Maybe some people do prefer the virtual means. So I think having sort of a broad general policy is where employees are