 And they're sort of going to do a very formal, almost press conference where each of those surrogates will sort of give a statement and take a few questions, but then leave the spin room. And that's something that we haven't seen in the past that is at the same time sort of very in line with the Biden campaign. They tend to be very disciplined and it's a way for them to sort of control what happens, depending if it's a good night or a bad night for Biden. On the Trump side, they're being a little bit tight lipped about it.