 those industries that are employing people. So it's kind of a trade-off. So people need to think about SNAP in a much more holistic and much broader way than just this is assistance for families. It's assistance in a job creator. It's also assistance for companies that are paying that minimum wage. And what industries are we talking about? And how would they be impacted if we didn't have a SNAP program? We have time for one last question from Michael Nelson.