 really interesting thing in connection with their ages. We're talking about these two men that are upper 70s and low 80s, and they actually started to talk and argue about who had a better golf game. And I think when you look at that, and if you're somebody who's in their 20s or 30s that's watching this debate, you're probably saying, what are they arguing about? Are they really arguing about who has a better golf game? So I think that whole age issue, which is