 It was not good. Obama's was terrible, yes. George W. Bush lost the first one. Bill Clinton didn't really lose the first one, but he did not do great against Bob Dole. Now, usually that's because the challenger just did 700 primary debates, and the previous president hasn't debated anyone for four years. And they've been in a situation where every person stands up when they enter a room, which makes it hard to get back to the world debating. But Trump hasn't debated in four years. So that'll be an interesting part of this.