 so that then they have that feeling of being capable when they're older. And that's actually a really important part of having a secure attachment, even from infancy, is feeling like you believe in them enough that you don't have to control all of their behaviors. It was such a pleasure to speak with you tonight. I hope you have a great summer, and thanks for sharing this information with us. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. Jamie Giroux with the University of Virginia School of Education and Human Development. And top stories here on WTOP.