 against Walter Mondale in 84 when he was running for reelection. And Obama had a bad first debate against Mitt Romney when he was running for reelection. And so this has happened before. But the difference with Biden is that this subtext of is he up to the job? Is he too old? Is he too frail and cognitive problem and so on? It's a different subtext than the other two had. Biden has a different problem and it's a more serious problem because he's not going to get any younger.