 Massachusetts Democrat Seth Moulton testifying here. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, WCSB FM, Washington. To meet 2050 travel demand in California, will it cost less taxpayer dollars or more taxpayer dollars to meet that with high-speed rail or by expanding highways and airports? In my estimation, a highway and airport-only approach would cost more. There's a lot of documentation and studies that show that, too. So I agree with my colleague that this should be run more efficiently.