 And again, if you're just reading the transcript, it might seem like Biden had a much better debate than he did. But if you watched it live or if you watch a clip tomorrow, which is probably going to be seen a million times more than any sort of write up that we're going to have. I don't think anyone can have any other conclusion that this was a rough night for Biden. The first presidential debate of the season, election 2024 on WTOP. That was National Journal Hotline editor Kirk Badel talking with our Dimitri Sotis.