 he would often have Connie present for the breakfast with the bosses. And then the bosses would say, all right, everybody clear out now. It's time for me to talk with the governor. And he would say, well, certainly my sister can stay. I mean, what harm would it be to have a woman in the room? He said, sure, absolutely, your sister can stay. And she would knit or sew in the corner and hear the whole conversation. And then they'd strategize afterward, so much so that Theodore Roosevelt said to Connie, haven't we had fun being governor of New York?