 And I think it's a process that we don't do enough of in government, which is to start with the end user and understand what the end user wants and needs, and then have the technology actually being the bridge between where you are today and where you'd like to be. And so we've had, I think, a fair amount of success of using that approach. Again, in these conversations we're having about industry barriers, about agency barriers, we really are bringing technologists into that conversation early on. I know we had a lot of success