 would make the cockroaches scared and go away. It was enormously stressful for them. But I want to tell you the kind of traveling that I think they did that made a difference in terms of households across America and in terms of their racial impact. I think what happened, and I wasn't there, so I can't prove it in every house, but I think that a lot of white men in those years, the 30s, 40s, 50s, into the 60s,