 I mean, he was kind of like the Taylor Heineke of that time, right? I mean, he wasn't as sexy a passer as Sonny was. Right. And, I mean, he just won with sheer moxie and leadership and all the things that we associate with Heineke. Well, his teammates loved his leadership qualities. I mean, he really had that fire when he was on the field. But along those lines, I will say this. I mean, I think what...