 in learning and growth. We don't want them to just stagnate. And we're saying it, but it's not happening because we're not creating the space. And so it was really, it was less about the top layer, the top decision maker of the department saying, yes, I agree, because that was an easy sell. It was getting all of the layers between to say, yeah, I understand why we would want to give that time up. I understand why we want to take that break, that pause.