 hears it, and then, oh, that's this word, even though it doesn't look like it, right, when a Frenchman wrote it down. So those have been some of the most exciting conversations. So I hope those kinds of things will continue. Kathleen Duvall discussing the history of Native Nations in North America, the name of her book, Native Nations, joined by Lyra Sharver of Bookmarks in Winston-Salem, South Carolina.