 With President Biden, he's like a storyteller. And so you could be in there in the Oval Office. Ben LeBolt, who's our friend who's now the communications director, I told him this before he took the job. I was like, you're going to love him. He's great. I was like, I will just warn you, you may be in the Oval Office for like five hours at a time. And when I was the press secretary, I would go in there for a morning prep if he was doing a press conference or just to get his feedback on something. And usually with Obama, that would be like 15 minutes. At most, yeah. At most.