 three points maybe four points so if that extends trump exists trump's existing lead from the two to three points he has now if all of a sudden at the end of the convention he's at uh six or seven point lead nationally that's when you're going to see a whole nother round of democratic hand-wringing look forward to talking to you again down the road here thanks so much for this sure thing take care that's jeff dufour live on wtop national journals editor-in-chief