 much bigger than I could have imagined. She'd watched the 2016 campaign from abroad, and I think she had the right sense of proportion about it, which in some ways, yes, it was big. On the other hand, these were like familiar problems. They weren't novel to her. And so a lot of the work that she has done in the seven or eight years, she becomes basically the first full-time counter-disinformation operative in American politics.