 And that I do believe if Snowden came back and got a trial where he could properly make his case, it wasn't done in secret, and could actually present his evidence, I just trust the judgment of the American people. I don't know how it would come out. But I think that that trial could be just a huge teaching moment and one that would trigger, I think, a healthy debate and reform. Tom, I want to ask you a question about the relationship of journalism