 And I'm going to tell you something, he did 28 years, but everybody don't come out with their mind and their faculties all together like Nelson Mandela did. He was articulate, he could speak, and he didn't let that impact him. But some people go to solitary and they lose their mind and they lose themselves and they are no longer a viable, functioning human being. So what would you tell families who are listening? And some of these folks who are listening to our show this morning have loved ones, husbands, daughters, and sons in prison.