 incentivizes further hostage taking. What do you say to that? How do you address that? I'd probably say a few things. First off, the numbers don't back that up. And there's Brian Jenkins and the RAND Corporation would show you that some of the data that he's been trying to churn. The numbers just don't support that. Number two, I think if you don't make these deals, people just don't come home. So you got to picture it. People that you love, your son, your daughter, your wife, your husband, your grandfather, they get arrested, they're thrown in a jail.