 Same values that I admired in Hill People and her and her family. It's certain industriousness, a love of country, a faith in hard work, and most of all just a recognition that it's not what kind of job you have or where you went to school that gives you value. It's how you treat people. And so I really fit into her family pretty well. Where is her family originally from? So they're from India. Our guest is J.D. Vance, author of the book Hillbilly Elegy.