 And his answer was, if you want to get rich, don't become an entrepreneur. Become an entrepreneur because you like the journey, because it's going to make you feel good as a person to be in charge of your own life. And just try to, to your point, Ben, just try to break, if you can break even, but don't do it to become rich. And it was phenomenal advice because I've been at this now working for myself in different ways for decades.