 Well, we're big listeners, and our master distillers and blenders have over 100 years of experience, but doing really good, making really good bourbon or whiskey. So we listened to them, and we kind of figured, hey, they're the professionals. They know what they're doing, and they've been really successful. So we went with the Char-4, and they knew how to get the flavors out, and we're kind of rolling with it. We love our product.