 If it's a legal argument, I think many people in the country, men and women, feel like we as conservatives, Republicans, are not paying attention to the human part of it. And I think that's, again, a post-Dobbs challenge that maybe we weren't quite ready for and we're now adjusting to. Ed Martin is the past chairman of the Missouri Republican Party. Is that correct, Ed? Yes, sir. And did serve as chief of staff to Missouri Governor Matt Blunt. How long ago was that?