 they got into a standoff. And what we're seeing in the video, the body cam is a video without context. So- And the context, meaning you're seeing Sam with what in his hands? So he has, he does have like, we believe that they were paring knives and he was like, most, a lot of the shelterless community may not have regular appliances and tools that you have in the kitchen. They will open cans and eat out of whatever. And so maybe he had already had this around- And you're saying-