 And this is not coming from a Republican. So if the U.S., which is the biggest stakeholder inside the alliance, doesn't want to see this happening, and my sense is Donald Trump, who doesn't really believe in NATO or alliances, would clearly not try to expand NATO, particularly to Ukraine, then we're looking at a situation where we have an opposition from the U.S. Working Institution Center on the U.S. and Europe Visiting Fellow, Tara Varma.