 I've never intended to run for office as a public defender in the civil rights movement. And I was no great shakes, but I worked hard in Delaware. And I used to go to 730 Mass in my church, and then I would show up at Reverend Beeman's, now Bishop Beeman, church, AME church in Wilmington, get ready to go out and make the plans for what we're going to do to change the situation.