 And I think that takes a certain level of either, one, fresh perspective, or two, objectivity that a lot of people, especially in the federal government that had been implanted for a very long time, they tend to lack. And I think you mentioned, Brian, this idea that they protect their fiefdom. And rightfully so. I mean, they've built something that they're proud of. But technology has iterated in such a fast way that we really do need to be able to challenge those preconceptions.