 and there was another young lady who was ahead of me of course you're in chairs when you're in band an orchestra so i challenged and kind of like those movies that you watch where you challenge and move your way up i moved up from like end of second flutes to the second first flute and each week i would just keep trying and challenge the person ahead of me and i got stronger and better um just to see what i could do even though i was doing a lot of that learning on my own so