 But, you know, if you go back and you listen, Paula, to the fun experiment, to the Nixon-Kennedy debates from 1960, so turn off the video so you're not focused on who looks young and who looks sweaty and, you know, all that, and just listen to the conversation. It's an incredibly high-level, sophisticated conversation about the containment of the Soviet Union and how you go about doing it. And they had two very different approaches, okay? And...