 at a smelter, one of those lunch bucket Democrats that back in those days would have been an FDR guy, would have been a Mike Mansfield guy in Montana. But today, if he were alive today, you lived in Great Falls, Montana, somebody like J.D. Vance would appeal to him. He would be one of those lunch bucket Democrats that feels like they've been left behind by the Democrat Party as that party has gone so far left