 I don't want to call it an alliance because I don't think it is that, but it's a very strong partnership. And so this is a reality that Europeans and Americans will have to face together. I think with slightly different perspectives, but we'll have to accept both Europeans and Americans that even if we have slightly different perspectives, we need to be able to discuss it. So I don't think NATO is meant to deal with the Indo-Pacific, but we need to discuss it. And maybe one word on old and bold, because I think