 And so he kept asking questions and then giving us advice. And we just riffed for, it went on for about an hour. And to his credit and his team's credit, he said, I'm in, I want to help any way I can. And he has agreed to come out here with his incredible family to spend some time with us. I want to thank Camilla as well and their children. They've been so generous. Again, we expected them to show up and then come to this and then leave, and they didn't. They've been at everything with us. And so we're so grateful for them.