 And they were of the opinion, and so am I, that it's going to take a fair amount of patriotism to solve the current fiscal problems. And I guess that's going to be the topic of the conversation. And I want to get to those fiscal problems in this country and your proposed solutions, but do want to ask about the story of the day. President Biden's performance in the debate calls for him to step down, increasing calls among members of Congress in his own party.