 And he's traveled in Washington circles before. He has worked at this venture capital firm co-founded by Steve Case, the AOL co-founder, called Revolution. In fact, he even overlapped there with Joe Biden's first chief of staff, Ron Klain. So we look at how J.D. Vance has sort of swam in this liberal world of Washington and what that would mean, perhaps, if Trump does win a second term as president, where will the MAGA crowd gravitate towards?