 And then we did another one at the Kennedy Center, I think, the following year. And at one point, Dr. Regan called me, and she said to me, well, I think you can do something for us. And you have to know, right, even then I was in awe of her, in awe of Karen, Yanni Kilkenny. There's so many dynamic, incredible Black women that we were blessed to have as mentors and mentors.