 They just recently called that out. I mean, it's not just housing turnover-related spend, because clearly turnover is very low, but people are putting off these large projects because the interest rate position, the interest rate, the cost of getting this capital, it's something that's just weighing on the mind of the consumers. I mean, if you think Starbucks is expensive, Dylan, how about, gee, tell me how you feel after you get an estimate on redoing your deck, right? I mean, that's just something, those are big-ticket items. Lowe's very much...