 And he said, Americans have this unbelievable idea that you have to actually compete and persuade, and you do it with love and argument and innovation. You don't do it with compulsion and power and shout-down. And so America becomes unbelievably dynamic, and I still think one of the most interesting ways to understand America is through Tocqueville's eyes and saying, if you believe in souls and you believe that souls can't be compelled, therefore a whole bunch of things about community and persuasion and voluntarism flow from that, and that's America. Here's the problem.