 I don't know. It's too much now because it's continuing to go up. If they could stabilize it, that would be fine. I'd like to get to a point where the revenue that's coming in exceeds the expenses that are going out. So if you don't want to pay down debt, maybe we can just stabilize it and keep it at one particular level. I would prefer to get to a point where we don't have to be radical and stupid about it, where we're modestly paying down debt.