 And to think about how much these issues have changed over the years, at the first White House environmental procurement-related conference, we were focused on recycled paper. And our big achievement that year was we went from under 20% use of recycled paper to over 80% by getting substitution agreements with GSA and DOD. Because you may remember, the copiers, copier companies were saying, oh, don't use recycled paper. It's going to jam.