 and that's going to help him in the pragmatic business-like kinds of discussions they'll have about next steps that may be over the next few months. I hope they do start to think about what would a plan B be for Ukraine if Ukraine can't win back the territory that Russia now occupies, whether it's under a Biden administration or a Trump administration. There's really been no communication with broader Western publics about the answer to that question, and that's what I think they really should try to push a little bit.