 That threshold stands at $10,000. Our next guest has made the case that raising it to $20,000 would save the government tens of millions of dollars, along with some other virtues. She's co-author of an analysis from the Baroni Center for Government Contracting at George Mason University and former administrator of the GSA, Emily Murphy, joins me in studio. Ms. Murphy, good to have you with us. It's wonderful to be here. Thanks for inviting me.