 That's right. Well, you know, living well is the best revenge, they say. We'll post this interview at federalnewsnetwork.com slash Federal Drive. Hear the Federal Drive on your schedule. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Still to come, why the U.S. Digital Service at 10 years in is thriving like never before. This is the Federal Drive with Tom Temin here on Federal News Radio, part of the Federal News Network.