 understanding the work that's done, the hours required to do that work so that we can make better investment decisions about the technology that we want to use. So I do think there's a connection between technology and people hours. We have to take a break. My guest today is Venus Goodwine, the Air Force's Chief Information Officer. I spoke with her during a fireside chat at the recent FC Inova Air Force IT Day. I'm Jason Miller, and you're listening to Ask the CIO on Federal News Network.