 Of course, Donald Trump is anti-NATO. Whether you like Donald Trump or not, he is not in favor of this alliance and he hasn't been very supportive of Ukraine. So certainly, European leaders don't feel like they would have, or at least many of them, don't feel like they would have a friend in the White House if Trump won again and may even be a person who would threaten the very existence of the alliance. I just don't know what they really think they can say to Biden about that this week. I doubt very much most of them are going to try to intervene in American domestic politics