 But you have to go down the list of some of the all-time greats to say, well, maybe they were better than him at this or that or this. But when you put it all together, the completeness of his game, the fact that he could play incredible defense, that he could rebound and outlet passes, that he was a big man that could assist. He actually dribbled well, too, because he started as a guard when he was younger before he sprouted up.