 for almost five and a half years. Whelan is now in his mid-50s. Gershkovich is 32. Both want out of there, but there's no way to predict when that might happen. The problem, according to Whelan, is that the Russian government keeps changing their demands and conditions. Gershkovich might disappear for a time from the jail he's held in now, but he's likely to be sent to a labor camp straight away. Reporting live, J.J. Green. Back to you, Ann and Nick.