 I'll talk more about that, but I just also want to tell you that Keter Betts was born in New York, but lived right here in the Washington, D.C. area. And he performed with Ella Fitzgerald, we'll hear those tunes next week, and Donna Washington, Donna Washington between 1951 and 1956, and with Ella Fitzgerald from the mid-60s. And then, again, he joined her