 as well as Mike Ricci, both political strategists. Thank you both very much for your time this morning. Thank you, Kimberly. And then coming up, we're going to go back to your calls in open forum. You can start calling in now. Those numbers will be up on your screen. And later on, we're going to speak with Harvard University professor Stephanie Ternullo, who's going to discuss her book, How the Heartland Went Red. We'll be right back.