 We were talking about the gap. What was the last one? Perception. Perception, yeah. When you're arguing against almost like a caricature of what the other person even believes. And too many people actually believe that they're people who happen to be political opponents or sort of caricatures of who they actually are. And in the research, when they did the studies, they would ask Republicans, what do you believe? And then they would ask Democrats, what do you think Republicans think? Spencer Cox, governor of Utah.