 So during the 1984 conference, Liz Carpenter did say, and it's not part of this video footage, so if you want the video footage of this, I know an audio visual archivist that can help hook you up. But she said that, I think strong first ladies make news, people salute them, even if we don't agree with them. How did you see this at play in your own mother's story? Do you think it has changed or evolved?