 will be interesting to see we know that they have folks that you know are union focused and others that would be maybe beyond the base that they traditionally have you mentioned the polls and this would have been a much bigger part of the show today clearly but we do have brand new polls i want to give you a couple of them um when it's head to head uh and this was obviously before the shooting last night um president biden at 48 donald trump at 49 carl are you surprised that the race is still that tight