 It was rigorous. He had a rigorous travel. We talk about it sometimes. I think I've mentioned this to some of your colleagues, that he has a, especially when he travels abroad, it's a pretty rigorous travel. We get tired looking at him doing his meetings and traveling. And so I think that's what he was speaking to. And I don't think it has a toll on, regardless of what age you are, it has a toll on you, that type of travel.