 arguing about whether or not Europe is paying its fair share for decades. And so there's still a lingering concern that more can and should be done. And especially when you're facing an aggressive Russia on NATO's borders, whether or not 2% is actually sufficient if there needs to be even more. Kathleen, thanks for your insight. We appreciate it. Absolutely. Delighted to be here. Kathleen McGinnis, Senior Fellow with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.