 The issue in this case, though, is that many seem to be mixed. For example, if the president is talking to the attorney general, well, that's obviously an official kind of thing. You have to be president in order to do that kind of thing. On the other hand, if what you're doing is asking the attorney general to find a way to undermine the election, as Trump is alleged to have done, then, well, is that a private interest? Is there any official or public interest in undermining the election? That's hard to say. So how do you disentangle actions that could be both official