 Trump mostly interrupting and Biden giving it back to him, it would have been very different. We are talking a lot about performance, and I see the frustration with why is the media so focused on performance. The final thing I'll say about that, beyond the idea of just the narrative and not break from it, is the president is a powerful person who people around the world look to and imagine how they're going to interact with him, and this is a real concern for Trump.