 where they spent years negotiating contracts. They've been at the bargaining table for years. And so my background is on the labor side. I come out of a labor union. I spent 14 years negotiating contracts there before I came to the agency. And now I've been with the agency for 19 years. Javier Ramirez is Deputy Director of Field Operations for the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service. Thanks so much for joining me. My pleasure, Tom. Anytime. And we'll post this interview at federalnewsnetwork.com slash Federal Drive.