 based on good policy. But for Holmes, pragmatism led him not to do that, basically to say that's a decision for other people unless the legislators are transgressing clearly articulated constitutional rights that everyone would embrace. And that did lead him, as I said, to uphold a whole lot of laws that he liked and a whole lot of laws that he didn't like. He basically upheld almost everything until it got to the First Amendment decision, but that was the way he reconciled the two impulses. Patricia Phoenix, good evening.