 in a security relationship. I'm glad you brought up China because the Pentagon would call China the pacing threat that we really need to focus on. Does NATO have much of a role to play in the Indo-Pacific? You've alluded to economics here, but if we're told on the one hand NATO's European members can't defend themselves without American help, it's hard for me to see how they're going to do very much in the Indo-Pacific. They just don't have the military capabilities to affect the balance of power there.