 I remember during the Obama administration, this is going to date myself because how long I've been around, I guess, the CIO at the time, federal CIO at the time, Tony Scott talked about technical debt. And you talked about something like $7 billion in technical debt, and that's only going to grow. How much does that conversation come up with your clients about how do we get out of this debt? How do we get out from under it? Because it's a never ending cycle, as we all know.