 mass surveillance and in particular electronic monitoring as an acceptable alternative to mass incarceration. Yeah, no, it's very well put and I think an extraordinarily important point and really, really important research. So hats off to the Prison Policy Initiative. Wanda Bertram, spokesperson with PPI. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Freedom Side. Oh, thank you so much. Take care. Breakthrough. That was Wanda Bertram on probation, parole, and abortion rights.