 And I ended up getting a position at another organization, a much smaller one. So the Kennedy Center wasn't unfortunately my first stop, but I found my way to the Kennedy Center within four years of moving to Washington, D.C. I worked for two smaller cultural organizations first, one that focused on visual arts, but in arts management. And then the second role was at the Choral Arts Society and then transitioned to the Kennedy Center where I've been now. This is the end of my 23rd year at the Kennedy Center.