 And I think stuff like what Teamsters Union's Sean O'Brien is trying to do is try to creak that door open, try to build that relationship so that maybe he won't go zero to 100, but he might go zero to 10, right? J.D. Vance and Senator Josh Hawley, who's probably the leader of the Senate populace. I'd say he's more populace than Vance for a number of reasons.