 journalism as a tool to serve the people. I think we need to get back to that and try to figure out what that means in 2024. And this is where I think we really fell short with this issue that we're talking about and this relationship between these journalists, Black journalists and the White House. How are we serving the people by letting them frame the narrative for us? At least I assume that's the case. Again, I didn't hear the interview. But how are we serving the people if we let the White House