 Well, I think once he overcame the stutter, that was huge for him. And I think that all of that pent up, all those pent up qualities and opinions and feelings and thoughts that he had not felt safe and able to express came pouring out is one thing. But I think that as a broadcaster, I mean, we interviewed Dave in the series and Dave was great. And Dave was an incredibly patient broadcast partner with Bill. I mean, they loved working together, but he also knew