 victims of extrajudicial killings and understanding that extrajudicial killings do not occur because their sons are thieves or their sons are criminals or their sons are whatever name that has been given. They've been given so many bad names, you know, of giving a dog a bad name so that you can kill it. They've been given so many bad names. They're gangsters, they're thieves, they're criminals. And when their kids are killed in those particular circumstances, they understand that they're not killed because of that. They're killed because of criminalization of poverty, you know.