 And she said the reason that's important is the effort has to be inclusive. It has to be achieved together. Otherwise, it won't work. She said one of the reasons she doesn't demonize people, she's more of a consensus builder and goes to sort of nuclear options as a last resort, is she says, and it's very smart, she says it's not necessarily that she doesn't dislike them. It's because a lot of these people that you're fighting with are the people that are going to make your dreams come true.