 But Paul Whalen will call me every now and then. I think I spoke to Paul about 10 days ago. He called me. I was in Europe at the time. He gave me a phone call, and I just happened to pick the phone up, and we talked for probably about 30 minutes. But I can tell you about Paul Whalen. He's strong. He's resilient. He's been deployed many times. Once or twice he said, you know, Roger, this reminds me of a long military deployment, but I'm ready to come home.