 professor, one of the founders of the ACLU, great early defender of free speech, and is often credited with helping to Holmes to change his mind later in his career, that Chaffee said the better analogy for Schenck would be if he was somebody who stood up, you know, in a non-disruptive way during intermission and pointed out to people that the exits were blocked. In other words, he was trying to protect their safety. Oh, yeah. Now,