 in uh oscillating between are we doing things right and are we doing the right things we still are stuck in our paradigm without recognizing those boundaries those paradigmic boundaries and that's where triple loop learning comes in which i think is probably a follow-up question all right so let me let me hit all three in this quick little vignette so this great great story of the uh this afghan village and there's this military unit and uh and they're in afghanistan and they're moving around and doing what all the uh coalition forces were doing you're either killing bad guys providing security