 And the question is, will it be enough to settle nerves among the Democrats? It can certainly do the opposite, right? If it was a bad interview, and we'll see, it would certainly create our support for him. But if he does okay, as he did, I think, in the rally right beforehand in Wisconsin, it may keep things going, but it may not settle the issue for a lot of people. And I think we're heading into a holiday weekend with a lot of uncertainty. And again, that's New York Times Chief White House Correspondent Peter Baker.