 But our real hope will come out is not if people come from this and say, wow, that Garrett Bucks guy is really wise. But if, A, this makes folks want to start telling their own story of what trying to be the right kind of white might have looked like for them, and more so might start grabbing a few folks around them, too, and say, so what do we want to build together if we're kind of in this mess? So that's when both of us are going to be really happy. Yes? Yes.