 we kind of have seen what punitive justice can be or how that works for young people. And it doesn't always work, right? The thing that I often bring up is that I think about maybe four or five guys I went to middle school with that were like bullies in middle school, right? That were kind of on a gangster vibe, whatnot, that would go to the office, that would get suspended, that would get whoopings back when you can whoop kids in school, that would get expelled.