 Um, and there are times where he and I would fight and he'd argue. And I think he might even get hung up on me once. And then there are times where he'd come on and he just, he would, he was, I would just sit there and I would miss breaks because I just wanted to hear everything he had to say. He was such, he was such a human being. And that's the best way to describe him because he was polarizing. Some people loved him. Some people hated him. And, and he was just this genuine person that I appreciated.