 intangible pieces that everybody's looking for. And if you don't do it from both sides, then it's always not a great fit and a great relationship. And so I always pride myself on trying to work from the officiating side of it, as well as the coaching and student side of it. And I try to give each component different perspectives so that they understand where each other's coming from. Again, I just want it to gel and be a great experience for everybody.