 this type of leader. I didn't know. Like you said, I needed to know every detail before making a decision. You're asked, I think, in the first class to have coworkers or other folks to fill out a survey on your behalf. And then you get those results, and it's intimidating and scary. And then you see how others see you as a leader. I remember I had, I think, a couple board members, a musician, one of my staff members all do that for me.