 I mean, you have to play this guy. He's going to have to fail. Joker says it, right? It's one of Joker's greatest quotes. I don't have it in front of me, but it's something like, first you have to fail, then you have to succeed, then you have to fail again, reach somewhat close to the mountain, get close to the peak, and then fail again. Michael Malone doesn't really subscribe to that with a lot of the youngsters. He is a decent defensive player, so that will help. He has a very good attitude.