 Yeah, I can say it. Okay. He was arguing with Ron Luciano one time, one of the umpires. Right. And he told Ron Luciano in the late 70s, he said, I was wrong one time back in 1969 or 70. He says, and I can tell you that was overrated, so I never did that again. He says, well, I'm not telling you. And he was pointing his finger at the umpire. He said, well, I'm telling you I'm right. He says, get the book out and read the rule book. I'm right.