 long, lengthy conversations about whatever issue it is that we need to discuss and come up with a plan about how we're going to deal with it. Even like terrorism. I mean, post 9-11, Bush had meetings at Camp David because there were times when they needed to get away from the Roosevelt Room, the West Wing, get away from all the hubbub of that, and let's sit down and let's have a place where we can walk around, talk about it, and do all of that. I describe all of that.