 He went rogue. People didn't know what to expect from him. And the thing that I heard time and again from Rob Dawson, who was on site at her gathering in Windsor, was Ken Buck abandoned us. He didn't fight for us. Lauren's going to fight for us. And I'm telling you, that's why she won. We'll take this time out. Dan Kaplis back, we hope, after this break. You're listening to The Dan Kaplis Show.