 So pleased to welcome to this show, Mariel Gates. I'll tell you what, she was living a life, there's no question about it. Imagine being a Division I athlete at Stanford. Stanford's one of those schools where it's very, very difficult to get in, and for athletes too, whether it's academically, athletes, whatever it is. And she was a professional triathlete too for a couple of years as well. She graduated from law school, so she went to Stanford, she went to Oregon.