 So I think that we're just seeing the pendulum. Maybe I'm the last one hanging on to that original part of the swing of the pendulum, but I think you'll start to see more and more people embrace it. And you're seeing it. I mean, there's sports events like Ninja Warriors and whatnot. I mean, these guys are really capable people. It's just maybe they're a little urbanized. So I have hope for the future. I'm