 some executive leadership on, it seemed to me that he always got his way, always got his way, whatever he wanted. So I would call him Governor Byrd. Good morning, Governor Byrd. Hey, Governor Byrd, I got a question about this. And he would laugh, and he liked it, because that's the goal of a lobbyist, is to be influential. And he was. So I always called him Governor Byrd. But I did not know what I'm about to share with you about Ellsbeer until I read in his book.