 That's really interesting insight as to how things all transpired ultimately with Saquon Barkley. And we heard Joe Shane repeatedly say in this Hard Knocks episode, he's 27 years old. He's 27 years old and what that kind of means for the position afterwards. Also, I want to dive a little bit. He was open with that last year. That's the thing is when you talk to Joe on the record, off the record.