 yeah i mean it's the same thing right um i mean lowe's same thing right i mean it's this it's this just the current the current environment is making it very difficult for consumers to commit and even if they can get the access to that capital we have to really start weighing out where do i need to spend this money versus where do i want to spend this money the nice thing is i mean these are businesses that run in cycles these are really essentially the two businesses that control this market