 complicated and perhaps a spectrum um and my hope is that as more and more people understand that these conversations get more nuanced and more inclusive and maybe change but at the same time it's you know you know sports if you're a sports fan you know sports is slow to change sports loves tradition sports loves like you know the history they love kind of this is how we do it you know this is the way so i don't know yeah it's some days i'm hopeful and some days i'm not which i think is probably true of many people on many topics