 That's right. There's about 40 years difference between them, and that certainly is going to be an issue. I don't know if there's ever been a vice president who's had less experience in elected office. I think even he's less than Dan Quayle because he's a freshman senator. Right. Only a couple of years in. I think that that also, by the way, as Sue knows, is one of the reasons why it was, in some respects, easy to pick him because he's not somebody who would take