 and I've heard it said all kinds of different ways, but let me give you just a quick background so that it makes more sense. I grew up in southern Arkansas as a kid, had access to ponds and creeks and all kinds of places to explore, so my buddy and I did that. It was back in the day where you would go out in the morning, come home from a grilled cheese sandwich, and then go away again until it got dark, and so ample opportunity to go find things, which we ended up doing, snakes, lizards, turtles, all that stuff,