 vigorously talking to delegates. They're out there canvassing in the swing states. They have 1,100 people on their organizers. They have 300 offices. He's going to be back on the road on Monday. So there's no indication from my end that he has decided to step back. But let me be real clear, Paul, not to rain on the doom and gloom parade, but whether it's Biden or whether it's Kamala Harris, there is a very clear path to democratic victory.