 But if you do wood and you do the joist tape, you'll get the most life out of it. And then if you go through and just make sure that everything is coated with a stain or a paint to help kind of take that weather, you're just going to get the most life out of it. So that's my secrets to making sure that that deck lasts the longest. Steel can be pretty cool. I tell you what, there's some great systems out there that work well.