 But then after that, Michael didn't really know what to do with it. And I think he kind of ended up sort of sitting in a drawer for several years because he realized that this needed a journalist. It needed somebody to investigate the story. And he didn't really know who to turn to. And then by coincidence, six years later, we found a mention that Michael had made in a lecture about this man saying that he'd done this interview. So we contacted Michael Sheen thinking, well, this is not going to go anywhere because he's way too famous to talk to us.