 You know, with like even the Biden administration or anyone else, because she had to worry about security for the Republican National Convention, she wouldn't be available. That's what we were told. So in other words, she didn't even really want to talk to the Biden administration. She was trying to buy some time. Since then, she has come on and she's given a media interview. But here, this subject came up with Lester when he was trying to talk to Biden.