 And so that proved that the people who were expressing their values, and it was on your show, I heard people call in back in 2008, it's very clear in my mind, saying, oh, the country won't elect a black president, that pigs would fly before we'll have a black president. And then they were proven wrong, because the country likes, in some way, maybe the novelty of it, or maybe the policies. I'm not arguing ideology here. What I'm arguing is,