 I think he meant to say before the Stones got big. And, of course, Roddy Wood was also a member of Faces in the Jeff Beck group. Let's see. He began his career in 64. Okay, no, he did join the Stones later. Okay, so that's right. He knew Roddy Wood before Roddy Wood joined the Stones. Because Wood didn't join the Stones until 75. Okay, gotcha. Okay, that makes sense now.