 three or four inches to a foot and a half too deep in the ground. And they can tolerate that. They can live through that. That's why so many of them are around and people kind of miss out on that being a big problem. When you pull the soil away from the base of a crape myrtle, that flare goes way out. It's a big flare and it goes out and turns into almost an apron looking effect. And when you do that, that