 know involved in the race engaged in the race and i think that's something that the harris campaign wants to show and wants to flex because there the whole argument was that joe biden as alex was pointing out was not really rallying the base let alone the the more independent voters that you need in order to win so i think in the early days that the harris campaign is feeling good about that and another point that alex mentioned in terms of the harris honeymoon that's actually a phrase that the trump campaign has now been deploying saying