 even though the work that I was doing and the show that I was working on was meant to be based around my personality. And this editor pulled me aside and told me that if I was interested in something and I could see the value in it, that that could be good enough. And I still come back to it time and time again. And ultimately that skill of being able to trust myself is I think what landed me at NPR hosting this show where I'm talking to all of you.