 mediators, even though the Afghan government said, you can't discuss with the Taliban unless the Afghan government is at the table. And the Americans said, listen, the Taliban don't want to talk to you. They don't see you as legitimate. They will only talk to us. And for us as the United States, it is the only way that we're going to get our troops home. That is what matters to us. We have to end, to use that expression, this forever war. And when President Biden came, he actually gave a date.