 The last time this happened was when another close friend, Andy Lack, the former chairman of NBC News, was making a documentary about the 40th anniversary of Watergate. Naturally, he wanted to include Ben. They were filming at Bob Woodward's house. I told Andy I trusted him not to embarrass Ben. Bob and Carl Bernstein and Robert Redford, who was producing, waited on the sofa while Andy did the interview. It was hopeless."