 And Vance said he was like, OK, this guy's deeper than I'd given him credit for. And also, I was deeply offended by this. Talk about a threat to democracy. The generals not listening to the president of the United States about matters like troop redeployment. And then he said, but personally, he likes him. At one point during his election, some negative story had come out. He got a phone call out of the blue.