 Before the break here on World Cafe, you heard a conversation and performance from Bess Atwell. If you enjoyed that, you can find an extended cut of that interview online where Bess talks about the persona that she created as a child to entertain her family. That's at worldcafe.org and on our podcast. Search World Cafe words and music wherever you get your podcasts. Talked a lot about Aaron Dessner in that interview back there. He produced Bess Atwell's latest album. Now here he is with his own band. It's The National, The Staken for Strangers.