 the Eagles. So I kind of disagree with it. They're equals with the Eagles on a neutral field. And that kind of goes into my sentiments again. I don't think this is a bad Packers team. I think the market believes this Packers team is going to be 20 to 30 percent better than what they were last year. And I just can't get behind that same sentiment. And you mentioned like they're sitting there. They're the fifth choice to win the NFC right now.