 I'll look it up. So she's somewhere in her 50s. Certainly not a young woman. She's a middle aged woman, but she's got a youthful vibe. I'll give her that. She's got a good look, I think, for politics. And so it kind of gets her off the hook when she's next to Biden. Right. No one's going to play that up. But I'm sure that there are younger people, for instance, 37 year olds who look at her and say she's up there.