 But I do remember right when we sort of greenlit and started this process, the lockdown happened. And I started talking to Carlos on the phone and he said, now more than ever, we need something with hope. We need something with beauty. We need something that people can watch and understand that there is humanity in the world and spirituality in the world and they can live this life. Carlos Santana. I'm talking about consistently in this interview that I do two things.