 not accepting how bad it was and what people saw with their own two eyes. And so I was starting to get annoyed and I was almost thinking, I may not vote for you. In a moment, we'll hear from some of a small group of Democratic convention delegates who were not committed to President Biden. But first, we've asked Howard Dean to come back on to talk with us about what's next. He's a former Vermont governor, a former chair of the Democratic National Committee and a former presidential candidate himself. Governor, welcome back. Thanks for joining us.