 Well, he looked like a snot-nosed kid, and he threatened to blow the cop's head off, as far as I understand, if he didn't get back down. So what the cop should have did was went back down, and as soon as he turned his attention, went back up and started blasting. I understand, but here's what I understand happened so far. And again, this is all immediate reporting, and I'm not going to say that what I'm about to say, Scott, is absolutely true. He ducked down on that ladder, and that's when Matthew Crooks turned immediately and started firing, and maybe...