 Absolutely. Matt mentioned the folks who have those nice low interest rate mortgages probably staying put for a while. A lot of them probably prioritizing improving the home rather than moving into a new one. That tends to be the business of Lowe's and Home Depot. And I think it's kind of fun to bring them into this housing conversation. Jason, those are two companies that you pay attention to pretty closely. What are you seeing from them in 2024 and what it says about the state of the