 And so they sent me to Detroit for an interview with a full colonel, who was at that time, I didn't realize, but he's with the Corps of Engineers with the Detroit District. And so I interviewed with him, and the sergeant that sent me down there, he said, we got this program you can come in as a spec four. And I said, ooh, that sounds good. So I went down there, not knowing what a spec four was, and the colonel interviewed me and asked me a lot of questions on surveying and everything else. And he said, well, I'll tell you what.