 Um, I say this all the time about chef Tim Hunter is our executive chef, and he has been at the food bank for a long, long time and is, uh, really kind of over, he oversees all of our culinary programs and he gets it. He totally gets it. And the way he talks about it with whether it's our culinary training or the kitchen school, you know, whether it's for people with disabilities or not, he talks about the fact that life skills are almost more important than the learning how to actually cook.