 seven and a half seven on a win total coming into the year to get a plus price to make the playoffs you know i'm saying like over three to one to win a division and that just isn't the case so i believe in this chicago team but somewhat similarly what are we talking about with the green bay but just on a lower level as much as i believe in this team i i don't know if i can go to bat with anything i can't even do anything with caleb williams and plus whatever you know 165 to an offensive rookie of the year everything's just too short