 an independent voice uh to now talk about the fact that he doesn't like uh the government corruption he doesn't like what i call the great satan in washington he is not a big government guy never has been exactly yeah i mean he's he's uh interestingly he's someone who's always been able to work with people you know from all walks of life whether it's commercial fishermen or or uh you know mothers who come up to him and say their kids uh