 And it's evident. An athlete does something and, oh, he's just lost control. No, no. But people have to really understand that there's no shame in this game. No. I tell people all the time, and it amazes me. I say, who's your favorite singer? Who do you like the most? And they'll say Beyonce. I say, guess what? Beyonce takes medication for depression. How about you? We're going to continue this conversation about soul survival when we come forward here on KVLA Talk 1580.