 But there's a third group that is in play. And those are people who kind of like Biden. They're not really inspired by him, but they really don't want Trump. Biden has to turn those folks out. Those folks are not going to vote for Donald Trump, but they may not vote at all. Or they may vote third party for Robert Kennedy. So it's really that third group that this debate has to focus on. The campaign is going to be focused on them until November. Yes.