 and what that looks like moving forward. I think the president hopes and expects and believes that a whole lot of Americans are going to vote for him just because he got that debt relief. He may be right about that. The president's done a lot of people a huge favor relieving their student loan debt, but he's getting pushback at every step of the way. So we'll talk about that again on the backside of this hour. We commence this hour with two-time presidential appointee at the Small Business Administration, that's SBA,