 and he had brought his youth group to the conference. So we were talking, and I kind of told him a little bit about my story, and I told him that at that time my mom had been gone 21 years, but there was this weight on me that I couldn't relieve myself of. And as life was going on and I was getting more and more successful, I didn't celebrate it where other people were like, oh, my gosh, you know, your mom would be so proud of you. I never thought, you know.