 And I would just look at him and smile. And he would say, he would lean in with that raspy voice of his. When he couldn't think of something, he'd say, Tavis. I said, yes, sir. He said, intellectual overload. Intellectual overload. That's what he called it. Not dementia, not Alzheimer's, not forgetfulness. He called it intellectual overload. So I couldn't pull the name of Gwen Ifill fast enough. But Gwen Ifill, of course, had the opportunity to moderate some debates as well.