 And then at one youth conference, we used to have it at Cal State Dominguez with a good friend of mine. He's now Assemblymember Mike Gibson. He's one of my really close friends. And we used to do conferences with a number of our other friends. And I was in at a, it was the workshop. The kids were in the workshop. So, you know, all of the coordinators, we were kind of just waiting for the workshops to break up. And I was talking to a pastor of a church. I can't remember his name.