 You know, John McKay, I had a chance to interview him a number of times, and he was really one of the funniest coaches I met. I know he had that persona being down in Los Angeles. You'd see him on the Tonight Show and everything. What was it like for playing for him? Well, Ron, you know, in no way am I being critical of Coach McKay, but the reality is his attitude was he never, ever spoke to you as a person, ever. I mean, I was his first.