 of felonies because they've locked their kids away. So you're saying in, in, in heinous crimes like that, they need to serve their time and not with the best of options. 100%. Okay. Well, we'll leave that, that question up there for you guys to go ahead and vote on. But I want to get started with this conversation, Chris, as you know, Gary Owen, whom I like, by the way, I will say I was, I really liked this guy. I feel like Gary Owen is,