 fair uh let me ask you this martha do you think uh biden has more to lose uh tonight than trump does who do you think has more to lose honestly i think they both do jimmy yeah i mean they're both former presidents this isn't the kind of situation that we're used to where there's a new guy or a new woman on the stage um who people are kind of like let's kick the tires on this and see how this goes you know we've kicked the tires on both of these cars for four years exactly we've changed the