 conversation because there's different ways that we could think of it you can probably hear from my tone what i think about it but i'll give you what i think about it on the other side of course and i do want to talk about um how culturally how people grow up you know there are different examples of this we could talk about that and why people get a pass and why others don't of course we'll break that down on the other side right now we've got news traffic in sports you're listening to the rob report on kbla talk 1580 stay there