 1972, college graduate, 1976 PhD, 1982 Harvard professorship. Now, that's the Glenn Lowry that we're talking to. It is, I told you, a fascinating, he's kind of like a black Forrest Gump. It is a fascinating life. But you also heard Glenn Lowry say a moment ago that he got into Northwestern basically on an affirmative action program. How then this Negro turned into a black conservative pushing back against affirmative action, I will never know. We'll talk about that part when we come forward with Glenn Lowry on Tavis Smiley.