 And then eventually it gets to be too much. Another thing that happens in the mind of a hoarder is they may get audited by the IRS. And they're like, I need to keep all my receipts. I need to just keep everything. And then your question to you is, but where is it? You got a receipt underneath some toilet paper. You got a mop over here. You got piles of clothes. What's going on here? So how do you de-hoard? How do you declutter? Well, first and foremost, one is you have to acknowledge what it is that the hoarder is worried about.