 So I got to know Van Brocklin when he would come and practice with the Vikings at USC the weeks that they would play the Rams. And he and I started talking as my sophomore year. He had me convinced that I could gain a few pounds, play tight end, be the fastest tight end in the league, and have a lot easier lifestyle than they're playing against slower safeties than the faster corners. So philosophically, I bought into what he was saying. And that's exactly what happened.