 you know served as vice president and now as president i think that we've we've seen him in that kind of context but i think we also have to remember that joe biden has been through more debates probably than any president has in in their lifetime right joe biden ran for president multiple times before becoming vice president he went through vice presidential debates and presidential debates and i think that he does have that on his side in the way that he's he's been through this process many times i think the unique element of this is trump right trump being such a distinctly different kind of candidate