 past baggage or trauma i said i'm just gonna i'm going to you know not necessarily believe or disbelieve what he said but this at least i can say this is what he said and then i it'll time will determine if he's reliable you know his word is reliable or not and uh yeah she said in that moment it was kind of monumental that i was there and that let her know that i must be special okay all right and when did you meet her kids