 It was really like for me, because I was so young when I got, you know, introduced to the music, I think it was before, um, I really got in tune with black and white because where I'm from is middle Midwest. Everybody was the same economic level, automotive industry, Bobby countrymen would come over to our house for eggs. And there was this intermingling that wasn't so like. Facialized, you know, it was just like, we were all on the same level.