 But it ruined her life because it broke her spirit. And I've realized over all these years, everything in my childhood directs me to the work that I'm doing. Absolutely, 100%. So my foundation has always been important to me because I know what happens to young people when their spirits are broken. It took Phyllis years, years, years, years to recover from that. Because it just sent her life down the rabbit hole. She spiraled out because her spirit was broken in that moment. On the other hand, young Tavis, who was...