 really kind of helped him win. And so when I think about the way that we are approaching these debates, I think about what we kind of learned from 2016 and 2020, and we're kind of seeing the kind of outgrowth of that with the muting of the mics and the audience piece is a different piece, but the muting of the mics after what we've seen him do with Hillary Clinton in 2016, what we saw him do in 2020 with Joe Biden,