 We see people doing harm to children, but we don't call them on the carpet. We see folks who do some really unprofessional and unethical things in the workplace, but yet we look the other way. And I'm saying that what the data tells us is that for school leaders who are impactful and transformative, they don't stay in safe spaces. They're willing to move to what I refer to as brave spaces. Brave spaces require us to do something different, and it starts with having hard conversations, dialogue, discussion.