 And now, Professor Turley, this is an interview, not a debate, so I'm not going to interview fine points of the law. I do want to declare my priors, though. I have to let you know that John Eastman and Erwin Chemerinsky, our old broadcast friends of mine, John Eastman was my dean for a long time. I participated in his hiring at Chapman. He was a fine dean and a great mind. Erwin and John came on this program almost weekly for 20 years.