 who have student loan debt. She's helping you understand what's what. When we come forward, I want to ask her about this June 30th deadline for student loan forgiveness. And I'm kind of in the dark about this, in part because I keep seeing these stories of the courts pushing back on this program. But I keep seeing these stories about the deadline of June 30th. So we'll get Dr. Tisa Silver-Candy to break that part down when we come forward on Tavis Smiley.