 Ashford and Simpson, they were the collaborators with Tammy and Marvin, and what an amazing job they did. Of course, Ashford and Simpson wrote a lot of songs for a number of artists on the Motown label. But if I'm going to mention Marvin and Tammy, I've got to mention Val and Nick as well, Ashford and Simpson, as they're brilliant, brilliant collaborators. In this final hour of our program, a conversation, as promised, with the co-founder,