 compared to what it could be with some of the others so and i think the you know going back to where we talked about the academy where you know the you know cadets drive the cars it's getting that feel of the car it's the same for a person driving a trailer pulling a you know a heavy load they get the feel of that and they know how their vehicle or equipment handles and it's just practice and you know pretty much the feeling but knowing your vehicle what it can do and