 also the Philadelphia Phillies and the St. Louis Cardinals. And then in 1988, he was named the manager of the Boston Red Sox, and he was there for about three and a half years, only time that he has managed in the major leagues. And they won the American League East Championship in 1988 and 1990. So it's an interesting story, and I think you'll enjoy it. And then right after that, Katya Sengel will be with us to talk about her book,