 So there was nothing to gain by doing this debate. But you were going to lose Joe Biden. He was going to be replaced if you let the country see him. And the thing that struck me was the morning before the debate, I hadn't heard one word about Michelle Obama, not one. And all of a sudden, the morning before the debate, articles started popping up all over the country saying Michelle Obama has a rift with the Biden family because she was best friends with Biden's son, Hunter's ex-wife.