 And we didn't keep track exactly, but we spent between $8,000 and $10,000 with fertility treatments over about a course of a year. So we weren't focused on the house at that time. That's fine. That's a perfect time to do it. That's exactly what we'd listen to your show and you'd advise others to do. And then we were told we could not have kids naturally, that we needed to go through IVF.