 We sat across from each other doing the budget, and it was miserable. And I remember you hearing you say about sit next to one another. We changed that. It changed everything right now and in a hurry and put us on the same page. And that was a big key moment in our journey there. Way to go, you guys. All right, what's your biggest tip to get somebody out of debt? If somebody says, how do you do that? How do you pay off your house? What's the secret to getting out of debt?