 and never once did it occur to matt to distance himself or anything like that he's like i still love you guys i'll still defend you come on kentucky sports radio once a year i like this relationship so he's a loyal guy he's not going to turn his back because his back's against the wall yeah this is actually turning into a sappy matt jones segment but it's it's a great point because there's been we've had through the course of our podcast and when we were on tv for one episode uh