 We've had people who we thought were our friends not be our friends and not defend us, and Matt Jones is the opposite. He's someone who has always defended us and never been ashamed of his relationship with us. As you get older and you realize that there are a lot of people that will be nice to your face but not nice when you're out of the room, it's guys like Matt Jones who are the authentic guys. You've got to hold on to those guys because those are the real ones.