 And that tough start is going to hurt when you're acclimating yourself to a new era. Usually we don't say this when a defensive player leaves. Usually it's quarterbacks, but it's a new era without Aaron Dobbs. I'd rather play the over Seattle seven and a half than play the over eight and a half laying that juice with the Rams. I'm with you, Joe. Bingo. Seahawks are my second place team in that division. A lot more live at Saturday coming up. Don't go anywhere.