 So I discovered the podcast and started listening to that, downloaded every dollar. We have two teenagers, so realizing that we had no money for college was kind of a driver. Yeah. Scared the crap out of you. Sick and tired of not having enough money. Sick and tired of being sick and tired. So you start listening to this crazy podcast, and you come home, and Mark said what? She's definitely the brains of this operation. I mean, she listened to you guys endlessly. I heard your voice constantly.