 You have Stoney Burke, Jack Lord, all that. But people were noticing him. He was in casting directors' minds. And they got him in the Cowboys. The rest is history. Well, and you mentioned Fifth Cowboy to the right. I think this is one of, I think this was an interview he gave that was originally in We. I know it was an interview that you included in your book, Hollywood Plateau, Bob. And this goes back to him always making an impression.