 a i guess you want to call them political experts a pundit with cnn but that's the level of panic that had set in on cnn directly after that was the very first interview that was done minutes after the debates which by the way when you see the end of the debate and you see him pan out and joe biden joe biden comes out waves which is weird because there's no crowd out there but she waves comes up she holds his hand and then the little tiny like half a step that goes from the stage down to the main floor where the