 But she got me to open up, and she was quite surprised. I said to her, May, I bet how long you been doing this? She said, oh, over 30 years, David. I said, I bet you've heard it all. She said, I've heard it all. Nothing will shock me. But I believe that shocked her when I told her about Gacy. So after I opened up to her, it wasn't that hard to open up to other people, people close to me and friends.