 The interests now of the center-left project and the Democratic Party have moved on in a lot of ways from Joe Biden. So I thought there was going to be a tough interview for that reason. And it was. One of the things that Biden said was this in Cut 13 on Friday night. I convinced myself of two things. I'm the most qualified person to beat him, and I know how to get things done. If you can be convinced that you cannot defeat Donald Trump while you stand down...