 That's the thing, too. They were all saying he's too old. So Carville's guy writes this memo, and he talks about all the despair and how this is bad. And about the same time, Axelrod comes out and says, Joe's going to go. He can't win this race. That was back in the fall. And it was after this little Obama reunion weekend they had in Chicago to celebrate Obama's historic win in 2008.