 Yeah, so about 15 years ago, I started subbing, and maybe for the past 10 years, I've been doing most of the gigs. How is it to transition from classical music to New Orleans traditional jazz? I mean, what are the challenges of doing that? Well, you talked about the divide between jazz. Modern jazz and traditional jazz. It was a greater divide for me with classical. When I was at Loyola back then, they didn't encourage cross-pollination.