 end of the hour our conversation each week we have a conversation with joe lindsley i want to make sure everybody heard that because i had a lot of people that hit me up in the email telling me they like joe they like hearing his stories because he's right there and has been there four years in the middle of what's going on and he gives us a better sense of how the people are doing how the cities are doing and paints that picture so that's coming up again at the tail end of the hour but