 and they didn't have surgery and things like that back then, so he had some disc issues, and no therapy per se, you know, they just tell you to rest, and if it doesn't get better when you're resting, guess what, it's not getting better, so the bottom line is Marcial never got into him, got out of that position where he was always hurting as far as training is concerned, at the end of the day, he decided to call it a day, of course, he quit, and then, you know, Floyd Patterson became heavyweight champion, Floyd Patterson in 1952, Olympic gold medalist at middleweight, super middleweight, 165 pounds, he was a small guy, no doubt about that, but