 I'm John DiLiberto. Thank you for being with me in this second hour of Echoes today. If you want to reach out to us, you can do it at echoes.org. We would always love to hear from you. Chef Tam produces Echoes. Partial funding is made possible by the Blatt Family Foundation. Additional funding comes from our PRX affiliate stations. Echoes was created by Kimberly Haas and John DiLiberto.