 He said, pass the test, pass the test. And then, you know, we got him into the studio and he really started talking to us in a way that he hadn't talked to a lot of people. And I have to give him a lot of credit. Steve, I got to jump in. Pardon the interruption. We're approaching the bottom of the hour. We'll take a quick time out. Journalist Steve Fishman, we're talking about the new podcast series, The Burden. Back with more of our conversation right after this time out.