 Independent voters are looking for a place to land. I think they're going to reject the really far left liberal policies of the Biden administration and those Senate Democrats. And they're looking for an alternative. J.D. Vance uniquely has a story of the American dream. His own personal story that's been a book and even a movie of going up on the wrong side of the railroad tracks. And he's got an appeal there, a personal appeal that I think I haven't seen in a long time in a candidate for vice president.