 is afraid to have a debate with Kamala Harris. I've heard that, yes. Now, what does that tell you? I mean, right now, check this out. I said this before one time, too. I remember back then when President Obama was running second term, he didn't do so good on debate, so they say, against Mitt Romney. President Biden went and he had the vice president debate against, I think it was Paul Ryan, I think.