 or if it was the other uh the other two victims but man when you see that right in front of you it's not like he was brought up in war as everything that the president's experience i'm sure he's never experienced that before but that photo of his fist in the air you know i asked him about what made him do that and he said you know i was down on the ground they were holding me down you should see my arms they're black and blue these are big guys and um