 I went, huh? What are you talking about? Well, it was that special pitch that he threw that's a great forkball, if you would. But I said, what are you talking about? He said, I was just traded to Cleveland. He said to me, Ron, at that time, and he said it again during spring training, he said, you know what? I don't know the American League. I'm going to depend on you. So you talk about earlier the mental aspect of the game. I knew that every time Gaylord Perry pitched every fourth day, not fifth day now, maybe six days, it was every fourth day.