 him going up on Noah's Ark the second time with his son in 1955 and took a camera and took some pictures of a crevasse up there at the 13,500-foot level, and he took out a five-foot beam and started hauling it down the mountain, but it was too much of a chore and too heavy and had to cut it up a little bit so he could take some down and have it examined. I'm wondering, do you gentlemen know of anybody