 I could resonate with her passion. It's clear that she's in the right space. And I would say to young people, learning what you want to do is important, but learning what you don't like is equally important. So embrace the opportunities as she's presenting them to you and explore them all. And you'll never regret making an investment in yourself. So that's what I would say. Ms. Jenkins, tell us a little bit about what you were doing 8 to 14 years.