 In 1974, Ron, you think of today where there are 13 pitchers. We had only nine on our pitching staff, 16 position players. We only used five pitchers in the World Series against the Dodgers in 1974. Catfish saved game one, striking out Joe Ferguson. After Kenny Holtzman went four and a third, Riley Fingers, the closer, went four and a third. Believe that. And then Catfish came in and struck out Ferguson. And then all of a sudden we went in five games. But there are four pitchers that didn't even pitch in the World Series.