 they look like pretty grown men or whatever and stuff like that but I didn't hear any of the reports that I've looked at or anything like that speaking anything like you're speaking about of those types of comparisons no no yeah those players for the last two or three years of that it was they were trying it was almost like they were trying to keep it looking good right but that's what I want to talk to you about Nolan we talk about this a lot or whatever and