 I mean, it's not like they're saying we don't like Biden. We want him to go. They just don't think he's up to it. They increasingly think he's going to lose. And so what they're asking is, what's the state of play? What's going to happen? Is he going to step down? Who's going to make him do it? If he does step down, who's going to be there? I mean, this has become you think it would be all about Ukraine and all about NATO. But I mean, the reality is the United States is the linchpin of NATO. And if they can't count on the U.S., they've got a very serious problem. That's happening on MSNBC.