 In 2009, he was saying, people are always asking me, what are you talking about, Joe? You're telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt? The answer is yes, that's what I'm telling you. And then a little later, he called out a friend. He called the friend a butt buddy, and he bragged about knowing three presidents intimately. I thought, boy, I wonder if he had any idea what he was saying.