 the more we talk with grown-ups like him the more we can build connections and see like the more you hear it the more like the stories that they tell it's actually true gotcha yeah you're more relatable they are how about you akaya uh was this a waste of time or did you get anything out of the conversation i don't think it was a waste of time um i learned that you could still have a successful business even after having to work remotely after that tragic