 right and whether they should doubt whether this happened or not no it really happens because science can support this rather than the traditional scientists that no it's all hallucinatory what is science what does science say about this though well you know there's there's the people who are the critics of metaphysics right and a lot of those people would be would be labeled as science scientism right it's kind of like a religious belief in classical physics pseudo pseudoscience well there's scientism