 But you really can't get to know a person like me this way. But Ken Anderson, he's had a show, so he's had a platform. He's used his ways to the audience. So we know him a little bit. And then when Leslie called, I think that was his name, he called and said that he was just a black white man. And, you know, that's kind of true because he knows he has to follow suit in order to get the dollar that he wants to get.