 and much more forward they'll go to the bar and they may see someone that they like and then they may have a conversation with them and so they're much more engaging and that goes to ross question because you know black women can be a lot intimidating if you got a table of four or five women and no guy is going to go up to a table unless he's just playing out bold but white women they will give you the time of day where black women this is not a knock on black women