 until I arrived in Kansas City when I was 22 years of age after having graduated from Morgan State. So the nexus of that comment from Deacon and myself and Ronnie Lott and I are great friends and we do some business together, and I was saying to Ronnie that it was interesting because he attended USC, he's 13 years, 14 years younger than I, but I said that he grew up in an integrated environment. So whether he grew up in it, but he came to it at 18, and that gave him