 Uh, so anyways, so there was a point when, of course I had held my master credentials, ASE master credentials for a long time. And, uh, Brian was moving along. He'd been, been through Sinclair, worked with all the great folks, Mr. Halderman and everybody else down there. And, uh, he was, you know, preparing to get his ASE, pass his master's, but there was, you know, you were, you were younger and you weren't, you just weren't really, I didn't think taking it serious. So, um,