 there could be probably hundreds of those guys, but because they don't have an environment to foster that, you know, that nurture that, that idea in, they never get to that point. You know what I mean? It was somebody, it wasn't, it wasn't Mike. It was another older guy that I used to, um, I always talked with him and he was a beast, uh, in killer instinct. I, I never seen somebody, uh,