 You know, Ron, that's a great point because I told my wife, Carol, who you've met many times, but I said when we were at our grandson's baseball game, he's 12. And I said, do you know, and I told our daughter the same way, who's the mother of the 12-year-old, I said, there were scouts watching me. We had bird dog scouts. I mean, I'm talking many, many years ago, whereas now it's more of,