 And that would be given the fact that Dave Roberts gets an opportunity to manage somewhere else where he wants to manage. If he doesn't want to go, I wouldn't force him to go. What happened to the guy, the local guy, Fred? Manager of Phillies, manager of Giants. He was a good guy, and he's now with Tampa. Gabe Kaplan or Kapler? Yeah, I thought you meant Kevin Cash at Tampa. All right, we'll take a break.