 managing their money properly and sometimes i will say david's hard to know because unless you know this person you know on that financial level you may not know how they handle their money but if you see them pull out a credit card when it's time to pay for dinner you know if you see that their houses if you have the idea of where they work and work they earn and you're taking a look at their houses and their cars there's certain little indicators that you're going i wonder what type of i wonder how they're managing their money now on a personal level