 And another friend of mine, Ron Scott, and once a year we'll just meet up somewhere and rent some place and write songs for the week or whatever. And we ended up staying in Terlingua for a while. And then we'd take trips out in Big Bend. And so we'd be kind of, these songs were kind of sitting with us. And a lot of times Johan will come up to Colorado in the summer because it's really hot in Austin. And I'll come down there in the winter and stuff.