 And that remains a goal. It can't just be rights in principle. They've got to be in practice. And for me, that means, among other things, truly equal opportunity, not equal outcomes, but equal opportunity. My point is that rights alone do not make a democracy. We inevitably clash over rights. Abortions, an obvious issue. Guns. We clashed during COVID about health and public safety. And we need a way for navigating those differences.