 We're in that extreme of place where you've got to do something. You've got to stop Donald Trump. Or there's Michael Beschloss. One more for Michael Beschloss on MSNBC. That's what's at issue. But what I'm saying is if we allow Donald Trump to succeed in fuzzing these issues up and making it seem as if nothing important is at stake, then people whom you and I know love their rights, love democracy, love American history, most of it,