 that lost to Trump, he's not going to be put on top of the ticket again. So if you're Gavin, if you're Gretchen Whitmer, if you're Jay Pritzker, any of these guys, the best strategic play politically is to keep your powder dry. So what that means is if they got rid of Biden, if Biden agreed to this, if somehow someone is willing to have the fight with Kamala, it's probably a kind of a second tier loser candidate for them anyway.