 on another issue another day. So I think there's a practical side to this. And again, that's one of the reasons I want civics taught in schools. I'd love, for example, for debating to become much more common in schools. So people learn how to disagree, they get informed, and then they maybe switch sides at halftime in the debate, and then they learn something about the other side, and maybe even they develop a degree of empathy. And it's harder to be as hostile to the other side if you understand a little bit more about what's motivating us.