 They're not looking over your shoulder saying, hurry up, hurry up. They don't assume that the audience has the attention span of a flea, that it's interesting and done well, that they'll stick with it. So I've been able to seek out those places. But by and large, Ron, you're right. Radio formats and now podcasts allow a lot more space, a lot more depth, and you can take chances. You know, when the clock is ticking and you've got maybe four minutes for an interview, five tops in many situations,