 But he's getting pummeled in Pennsylvania. And when you look at the voter breakdown in places like Michigan, another state where Trump is beating Joe Biden, it's almost to the point of you can't recover from this. If it was the other way around where Joe Biden had a clear lead on Donald Trump, well, then the debate never would have happened. They would have had a scheduling problem. They wouldn't have agreed to it. They would have waited until the fall. They would have waited until October, way late in October, October 20th, 21st, whatever, 25th.