 And all fees standard. That's terrible. So anyway, by and large, everybody came out like, oh, yes, we believe that he is full of vim and vigor. I'll get to that story in just a moment. So I'm curious, what happened in this meeting, right? I mean, everybody went in. They're ejected. Doors are closed. Nobody's allowed in. And then all of a sudden, they all come back out. And here's my theory on this.