 Five knockouts. And he lost to guys who were one and two. When you lose to guys that are one and two, you probably can't fight all that much. But his dream was to become a world championship boxer, and he'd become rich doing so. But he didn't make it that way. Of course, he made his money in records. And what happened was he started a record store in downtown Detroit. And before he knew it, he came in contact with a lot of musicians. And then he said, you know what? Let me get this idea. I'm going to start my own record label. And, of course, that was the beginning of Motown Records. But 13 and 2, I think it was at 12 and 3. 12 and 3 as a pro with five knockouts he couldn't punch.