 I don't think it was a waste of time. I think I learned a lot about him and what he does in his life and how everything led up and created his own path. What kind of stuff do you respect or do you like about Conrad? From what he's told you about himself, what do you like? He's very well-spoken and humble. He knows where he came from and how everything came together. All right. Kayla, how about you? Was this a waste of time or did you get anything out of the conversation with Conrad?