 But this one looks just like the dummy rounds. Now, he somehow is connected to Ms. Gutierrez in some way, this individual. And that's what he thought, oh, my gosh, this is some evidence they probably need. He knows Gutierrez Reed's stepfather, Phil, who is a well-respected armorer in the industry. And he says that this live round was made out of the same batch that Phil made. I have it.