 get a 0% interest and then flip it onto a bet with a 0% intro offer for a balance transfer. And I did that about three times. So how much credit card debt do you have? So yeah, now I'm sitting at about $6,000 in outstanding debt. That doesn't include the month-to-month cards that I'm paying, but those are almost paid down to zero, probably like $1,000 between the three or four cards.