 um some of the automakers some of the the uh what do you want to call them though the ones that we're really used to like gm ford chrysler you know they have to really go crazy to do that like this dodge demon that i just got 1025 horsepower you know that's that's controversial it's kind of the other side of the pendulum that swings way way out there to 100 and 1025 horsepower but sometimes automakers