 this slow uh sort of escalation management policy will actually be a slow death of ukraine and so in that camp which is a smaller camp of americans uh there's hope that uh at least with uh if trump were to become president there'd be a kind of a 50 50 chance that he might actually help ukraine a lot uh and so this has been i mean you know i think obviously firstly everyone is is traumatized by this and you know as part of our american trauma i mean how many presidents have been shot