 The reason they are convinced of it, from what I'm told, is that after Nancy Pelosi had a conversation with Joe Biden about the polling and he challenged her, she got Mike Donilon on the phone. Mike Donilon is one of Joe Biden's most trusted inner circle advisors. And she and Mike Donilon talked about the polling. And it became clear at the end of the conversation that Donilon himself was not very confident about Joe Biden's chances of winning.