 To Trump, right? Trump is not into Nikki Haley. You established that in your interview, if there are any doubt. But he has some suburban appeal, could potentially put Virginia in play. And in every state in the country, including the blue wall states, suburbs matter. So if you get someone who can just help you a little bit in the suburbs, if this race tightens up, that could matter. All right, I want you to hear what Donald Trump said to me when we talked about debating Joe Biden in 2020 as opposed to 24.