 always been that kind of caution. But we don't know. We don't know how vigorous he is in these meetings. We don't know whether he's issuing orders or whether he's just sitting there not saying anything, or maybe you. I mean, he's following, but then loses the train at some point. I mean, I just, and this is the whole problem, is why don't we know? I mean, he has doctors. They've diagnosed him. And all you have to do, Mary Katherine Hamm has made this point.