 What if this is the beginning? Seth Clear's environmentally themed album is called Everything, including that song called Rise. And you can hear the full visit we did with Seth by going to acafe.com. It is in our archives. And he was performing there with Chris Matthews, who was touring with him. And Chris Matthews has a brand new album on the way, but we went back to 2021 and Changemakers, the name of that album, for the song called This Kind of War.