 few pitches, and I could tell. You know, there's a lot of specifics that go into catching that, again, I think because now everybody talks about the offense of a catcher, you better think about what he can do to prevent runs more than what he can do to drive in runs because you're going to win more games with a catcher who the pitchers believe in on an every-pitch basis more than what he's going to do four times at the plate.