 because Hawaii joined the U.S. after the NATO treaty was ratified in the late 1940s. And because it's in the Pacific Ocean, Hawaii was specifically excluded. So if some other country attacks Hawaii these days, NATO would not be obliged to respond with Article 5. And so that might sound crazy, but it's accurate. And so by the same token, why not say, okay, NATO's going to protect Western Ukraine and Central Ukraine, at least make that small step.