 um they were both 32nd degree masons i think and that time that part of the world might be kind of like being a reichemaster today there were a lot of them around but i hear that in the masonic organization uh there are higher ranks and they don't tell you who they are and what they are you know i don't know about that kind of what are you doing what are you doing with your phone chris we can't hear you when you do that oh um