 Have you heard from her publicly? Publicly. I've sat down in a situation downstairs. The Secret Service, the FBI, the national security agencies, the Homeland Security, all the major elements. So this was before, obviously, it was taped before Cheadle had given that public interview. But the question from Lester Holt was, is it acceptable that we haven't heard from the director of Secret Service? And Biden says, oh, I've heard from him. Right.