 in the afternoon but we've moved to the mornings and dr arn has moved to dr jaffa has moved to his reward in the last year and dr arn his student agreed to spend a couple of hours grabbing some of the greatest hits of my conversation with dr jaffa for more than a decade ago and on the declaration of independence on this fourth of july and dr arn i want to play for you i asked him whether or not lincoln and jefferson actually meant it when they claimed that all men were created equal here's what he said cut number nine