 he's a minister school for it and he lives in saint louis city travel around the country and we're talking about killing jesus we're talking about the game too about uh... you want to know a lot of the stuff that we had in killing jesus no religion there and in that book but it's all history i told him where we got it and how we got it uh... and he was fascinated by it as a good guy i've known daryl for a while he's a hall of famer uh... and then in the booth there was dr gooden was there mike piazza