 But I think as much as it was when I thought, Ron, it was more of I put the work in. And I think that's what you have to do as any athlete. If you want to play in a professional sport, you have to put the work in. And if somebody watches it and given the opportunity, and I'll backtrack a little bit because when Cleveland drafted me, they were looking for a catcher. How would you have liked to have been Bill Plummer, for example, behind Johnny Bench in Cincinnati? You never got a chance to play or even be in the big leagues.