 And that is Mark Esper, former Secretary of Defense for Trump. And he's not all for Trump these days. He kind of clashed when he had that position. Joining us now is Michael Goodwin. But he had to point out what we all saw. It wasn't a bad debate. It wasn't, wow, I kind of got beat on immigration. He beat me on the economy. My facts weren't right. I froze up. No, he looked too old. Michael Goodwin, your thoughts about what Mark Esper just said? Because he's also worried about the world's perception of us, too.