 listener and and also a supportive father when I've gone on tour and you know just it's really been it's a lot to it's a lot to juggle I think a lot of people are married to musicians musicians are married to musicians and they tour together they figure it out or one person is sort of like home more but it's tough because we both have a lot going on so it was actually really fun to get to be working on this record over the last couple years and having him be able to go into the studio in New York when the Westerlies this great brass quartet