 I liked him as a man, as 100%, and loved the man. And then as a general manager, I didn't like him at all because he was cheap, but I was tight. And one time he offered me a contract, and I said, oh, I can't play for that. Anybody makes more money than that, the equipment guy and so on. And then once he signs, he stands up at the table, puts his hand across, and he says, glad to have you with us.