 And that's why I valued about what John was saying. How about Chikima? Was there anything you liked about Chikima? What I liked about her is that her story, like her background, how she came out the mud. She came from a poor background, but she didn't let that change who she is today. She became stronger and better and got herself in a position to tell us about how we could be better coming from where we come from. Because I'm from Philadelphia, and