 Absolutely. I'm going to shift gears here. Debbie Kidd, you know Debbie. Debbie Kidd, D-V-I, isn't it? Yeah, D-V-V. No, it's D-E-V-V-Y, D-E-V-V-Y. That's an unusual name. She's the only one I know by that name, Debbie. True. But I kind of think, Joe, that her