 That word you used, Emily, is the key word to me, stubborn. And here's what I'm interested in, Guy. It's widely known that Biden bristled when he was passed over by Obama and foregone as the potential Democratic nominee and Obama sided with Hillary Clinton. And Obama has tread carefully because he knows that if he goes out full court press, it could in fact cause Biden to be stubborn and retracted to a corner. So it's interesting now this comes out publicly.