 or five o'clock in the morning five o'clock this morning so this thing that got into your blood when you were 14 years old and going to work at the drugstore that's still who you are today i mean you just love the challenge of figuring out opportunity and making money and it sounds to me like you want to do it in an ethical and honest way with the right kind of people am i right that's why you enjoy it making making money for a true entrepreneur