 You played under head coach Earl Banks, and you were twice selected to the small college football All-America team. And I remember a conversation I had at the Hall of Fame with Deacon Jones one evening, and he said to me, he said, Ron, I never played against a white player until I made it to the NFL. The black colleges, of course, was it the same way for you as well? Yes, sir. I not only played against a white player, I had not been involved with white people.