 If he rolls up the sleeves and tries to turn this into a real knife fight on stage, one, which I think is the approach he's being pushed to take by a lot of people, one, that kind of undermines Biden 1.0 for sure, or whatever you want to call what he was in 2020, and two, I've never seen somebody get into a mud wrestling contest with Trump and not just get schooled. I've never seen it.