 So, when you were starting out, were you immediately into jazz? Was that your first love? No. I wanted to play with James Brown. Really? That was your thing? Yes. Which I'm very happy to say I eventually did, but I grew up as an R&B kid. You know, gambling huff. And you actually got to play. You played with a lot of people, but you actually got to play with James Brown. I got to play with Mr. Brown, yes. And what about, what's it like meeting your heroes, in the case of Mr. Brown? It's complicated. It's complicated.