 Again, most of the folks we worked with were really good at that. They really, you know, and that's their job, right? I mean, they're watching families go through these kind of tough things on an almost daily basis. But still, I'm super grateful. We were fortunate to have some pretty remarkable people help us through. My guest, Alan Townsend, is dean of the University of Montana's W.A. Franke College of Forestry and Conservation. His memoir is called This Ordinary Stardust, A Scientist's Path from Grief to Wonder. We'll be right back.