 Decisive. Lukewarm about it. Really? At best. Yeah, they weren't in. And then we were like, this should be a pod... Then we were, like, having a conversation on text, and we were like, this should be a podcast. Well, shout out to Bill Simmons for giving us a shot to do it on the Ringer Network. That's right. In the early days. And... Awesome tone. Yeah, and along with Dan Pfeiffer, our fourth co-host. And all four of us, like, if you just looked at our text, this is, like, the conversation we have. And I don't think we could...