 You're listening to human rights lawyer Payam Akhavan and the first of his 2017 Massey lectures, The Knowledge of Suffering. While he was in Whitehorse to deliver the lecture, Payam met with students in the Social Justice Club at what is now named the St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Secondary School. The political and social environment of 2017 was very much on their minds. Here's part of their conversation.