 technically trained on that instrument. It was an incredibly instinctive musician. One of his engineers told me, what's his best instrument? She goes, it's his bass. Nobody talks about that. He's an incredible bass player. He's got that feel for the funk. He used to talk to Larry Graham a lot. Remember that gig he did where he was just a band member at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago, backing Chaka Khan and Larry Graham. He was just in the background, being a band member, playing bass, as I recall.