 Something that you had in common was that, like, despite the many discomforts of remote fieldwork, and you described some terrible things here, you could both be very happy, like, deep in the interior of a rainforest somewhere, trying to understand how systems worked. And it strikes me there again, I don't want to carry this too far, but there's a parallel, right? Religion often requires sacrifice, and so does science. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, I think the, you know, the reality of science and action is...