 Frank Figluzzi, former assistant director for counterintelligence at the FBI. Frank, my deepest gratitude to you. Thank you so much. My pleasure. And Robert Pape, professor of political science at the University of Chicago and director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Professor Pape, thank you so much. And for your years of in-depth research and scholarship. Thank you so much, Meg. Thank you so much. I'm Meghna Chakrabarty. This is On Point.