 Elsa had known Haben online for a while, but this was the first time they'd ever talked directly. To know what's being said, to know what Elsa is saying. I have a typist who's typing what Elsa says. I'm reading it in Braille and then responding by voice. Great. All right. And Haben told us that after the Bollinger case, later in Helen's life... She did change her mind and come out against eugenics.