 20 or 30 years while we're here. So he was special. Unique, for sure. Ernie, two more. I'm wondering, when he was retired, would come through town a little bit, maybe up in Boston. Did you ever get a chance to see him? And I ask that only because this guy dealt with severe physical problems, both while he was playing but also afterwards. We know about his feet, but his back, his hands.