 She talks about robbing Peter to pay Paul in the context of having to go deeply into debt on her Discover card to keep her son Keith in college. I mean, when you think about what the interest rates are, people talk about high interest rates now, and they're talking about like a 7% mortgage. But, you know, in the 90s, you could be paying 20-some percent interest on a credit card, and they were paying that interest so that their son wouldn't be tossed out of college. I mean...