 McKee, as I said, whether that was an initial moment or it's been concocted in something bigger, who knows? But how do you tackle that situation when they have said, we're not going to tell you where the encampments are, we're just going to keep giving them tents and backpacks, and it's like they don't want to solve the problem? Well, I think it's not so much they don't want to solve the problem. In fact, I know it's not they don't want to solve the problem. It's respect for their clients and also fear.