 it was said to them pretty much what they said to me. You know, they worked as a team. They'd take you to lunch, and they said, well, you know, Commissioner Moses will never talk to you. His family will never talk to you. His friends will never talk to you. And then they had a phrase, David, I can't remember the exact wording, but the import was, anyone who ever wants a contract from the city or state will never talk to you. So they weren't being very subtle.