 It is surely safe to say that most of us think the idea of using patients in a medical sense, patients as guinea pigs, is immoral. There is huge division around both euthanasia and assisted suicide. The particular problems surrounding the case raise legal, moral, and ethical questions that touch us all. To discuss some of these issues this morning, I'm joined by Arthur Schaefer. Professor Arthur Schaefer is director of the University of Manitoba's Center for Professional and Applied Ethics. And he speaks to us again this morning from Winnipeg. Morning.