 There's much more to say about why Joseph is in Buenos Aires and what the significance of this is, because it ties in, when we use terrorism, we don't only mean jihadist groups. There are state actors involved. And when we come back, we'll speak of those state actors, the suspicion of those state actors, 30 years after the original outrage. Joseph Umeyer, he's in Buenos Aires, Ernesto Arrucha, here in North America with me. I'm John Batchelor.