 which is that, first of all, we're not going to fix this with more sanctions. We've got to figure out a way to engage the leadership in North Korea and also bring out the people of North Korea in the economy. That Kim Jong-un wants to do that. And part of why he wants to do that is his own geopolitical balancing game with China and Russia. And therefore, he will be open to the United States channel. I think that that logic does still hold now.