 St. Augustine, who lived in the early parts of the Catholic Church, around 354, I think he died at 430 A.D., my records here show, he once said that it was better to steal from the rich than to slay the poor with usury. Pope Innocent II in 1139 condemned usury and said that it was better to steal from the rich as well. He said, he quote, he condemned the insatiable rapacity of usurers.