 They remember it differently, and Pat has remembered this differently over time. I spoke to her for the book, and unfortunately she died about a year and a half ago, and we had wonderful conversations about it. But I will say the thing they share is that they felt like this was going to be, first of all, that it was not going to be a big deal. They just thought it was, they were making a documentary about family life for PBS, this station they knew nothing about. They were in California. Yeah.