 the executive producer at Frontline PBS, who is an innovator and pioneer when it comes to collaborating journalistically. And there's a lot of brilliance in that. Again, you build strength upon strength. So reaching across to other news organizations, working together, which quite frankly can be hard to do in the media. We are very competitive, but we really are here to serve and inform and to hold power to account. And we can do that together. So