 So it definitely monotony. You couldn't go to the store and get a strawberry in winter. There was excitement, wild excitement when steamships and railways started to change all of that. People could sometimes get a fresh orange in winter on the East Coast. It was it was like a lottery ticket. It was incredible. Nicola Twilley is co-host of the podcast Gastropod and author of Frostbite, How Refrigeration Changed Our Food, Our Planet and Ourselves. We'll be right back.