 about the idea that he's now, because he's the first NBC interview with Lester Holt, Donald Trump, to come next month when the Democrats are doing their convention, kind of the counter-programming thing, right? Joe Biden's got to sit there and answer questions about tampering down the rhetoric. And look, he's taken his wax, but he's been so inefficient at it. He's looked so clumsy doing it. It's not his style.