 meticulous, and he knows his stuff like nobody's business. I often listen to John, and I realize he did say that. Now, sometimes he's really funny and dry, and he wants his own marina named after him. He talks about the John Loveless Marina. He talks about all these things, but I do believe the tunnel he knows a lot about, and I believe he's serious about that, right? He was completely serious, and he was chastising people for not even thinking a little bit out of the box.