 I've been speaking with Jonathan Schroeder, literary historian at the Rhode Island School of Design. Jonathan, such a joy. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And again, the book is called The True Story of Slavery, The United States Governed by 600,000 Despots. Check out more information about the book on our website, thepublicsradio.org. And don't forget that you can find Artscape on our website. You can also find it on your podcast app.