 He was thinking about divorce even when we met them, and I think it was because he felt so bad. And Terry always felt like, hey, if we get divorced, you're going to have to pay for us anyway, so I don't know what you're talking about. But I think that it's a lot of things that happen, and probably happen more to men, where you feel like, if you grow up feeling like you should be the breadwinner, that that was really just powerfully depressing for him.