 world that you didn't know about skateboarding thrasher magazine you'd be reading about skateboarders in california and learning about things that you would never get on tv but i mean i'm skipping ahead by a fair bit i'm going to backtrack here but you ended up guest hosting the letterman show and no one gets to guest host the letterman show not many people did i mean that must have been a real amazing moment for you to have that be this influence on you when you're at 12 30 and then all those years later to find yourself actually behind that desk