 It's The Treatment. It is the 40th anniversary this year of Once Upon a Time in America. My guest is someone who I think has a similar interest in Sergio Leone, but has been quite more thoughtful and insightful in his writing about Leone. It's Sir Christopher Freling. His books include something to do with death, Once Upon a Time in Italy, Spaghetti Westerns, and his most recent book is Once Upon a Time in the West, Shooting a Masterpiece. You can hear this show at KCRW.com slash The Treatment.