 it's not only going to be better for the planet, it's going to be more delicious and better for your health. So I love her work. It's sort of whimsical, but it's a really important point behind it. Nicola Twilley is my guest. She is co-host of the podcast Gastropod, and she's written a book called Frostbite, How Refrigeration Changed Our Food, Our Planet, and Ourselves. You're listening to Think. I'm Chris Boyd.