 And what I said at the time was I didn't believe him. And the reason I didn't believe him is because he didn't say one phrase, including me. If you thought that Joe Biden was going to be honest about his own role in all of this, wrong you are, wrong you are. So first, Karine Jean-Pierre made this absolutely clear. World's most untalented White House press secretary. She was asked about calling Donald Trump a threat to democracy.