 And he was like, all right, you can come up and I'll tell you my story. And boy, not only, you know, again, interviewing someone older, you don't know, will their memory be as sharp as maybe it would have been if you'd interviewed them 20 years ago? His recollection of details, you know, how long everything took, you can see how vivid it all remains in his mind. He says at one point in the interview we're in tonight at five on Channel 12, that the