 all the time. I think a lot of the most interesting modern comedies, you can see that there's this persistent, sometimes hostile, but creative response to the existence of reality TV. And then, yeah, the sort of adoption of all of the tools of spying and shock and pressure. My guest, Emily Nussbaum, is staff writer at The New Yorker and author of Cue the Sun, the invention of reality TV. We'll be right back.