 Victor Gao there, Vice President of the Beijing-based Centre for China and Globalisation, which is a think tank with links to the Chinese Communist Party. While staying with this story, I also got to speak to Daniel Russell. He's Vice President for International Security and Diplomacy at the Asia Society and the Policy Institute. And under US President Obama, he was the Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs. I asked him to respond to Mr. Gao's comments.