 There's something of value here, not only for you, but for others. So that was kind of stunning in that moment. And then she said to me, you can do anything you want to do, but you're thinking you can't do it, that's going to stop you. I left her little room and I walked down those four flights of stairs, thinking, I can't do that, I'm not doing that. And then I went off to Boulder, Colorado, to visit a friend I had made in India, Joseph Goldstein, who was just starting to teach meditation.