 were on these shows at the beginning, there had never been a show like this before. So there was a kind of innocence to participating in the production that drove what happened on those shows. And one show that came out in 1993 that I specifically talk about the naivety of the cast members was The Real World on MTV, where it's, you know, seven strangers picked to live in a house to find out what happens when people stop being polite and start getting real. So it was like seven young artists living in a loft in New York.