 How do we prevent them from getting nuclear weapons? How do we restrict their development of nuclear weapons? How do we convince them to give up this arsenal? That would be great. We can keep it on the table. But we are so far from that goal. And in the meantime, the policy lever we go back to is let's put more sanctions on the North Koreans. Well, guess what? That's not good for 25 million people who are stuck in there looking for some kind of opening.