 They're just in hand in hand. The problem is Hamas actually want their own civilians to die. That's a point which I think most people don't get around the world. Success for them is more Gazans killed. That's what they want, 10 times more Gazans killed because they feel that that will draw opprobrium onto Israel and the international community will criticize us even more. That's the only forum on which they're winning, international criticism of Israel.