 that's when you get the early onset of scurvy not full-blown scurvy but historians do estimate that most people would have been what they call pre-scorbutic at that point so kind of like pre-diabetic you're on the road to it and then you can imagine the sort of excitement the frenzy almost when the first green shoots start coming through and you're going to be able to get that vegetable content you need so much at that point and there was monotony people used to complain like they