 She invested through Madoff's company Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities, or BLMIS. Madoff died in prison in 2021 at the age of 82. So let's hear one of the excerpts of the interviews you recorded with Bernie Madoff while he was in prison serving his 150-year sentence. And this is about, like, did he ever think he was going to get caught? And was there a moment of realization when he realized that was going to happen? So you speak first.