 And it's a result of a very public debate, the TV showdown with Donald Trump, which went so badly that many are now calling for Mr Biden to step aside. Among the doubters, ordinary voters, Democratic Party members, of course, but also wealthy donors. So a short while ago, I spoke with State Representative John Ray Clements, chairman of the Tennessee House Democratic Caucus, and I started off by asking for his reaction to Joe Biden's debate performance.