 And that was Gabriella Germandi, who is an Ethiopian-Italian ethnomusicologist, a singer and producer. And she was talking to Penny Dell about the album called Macta, just released by ATSA Teodros, the project there. Thank you for joining us for this half hour of weekend. But please don't go anywhere. There is plenty more coming up. I've got my guests to introduce to you just after the latest BBC World Service Bulletin.