 And he introduced me to, I spoke to about 80 laid-off workers in groups of about 20 on a single day. I held kind of like a little forum where I would sit in the front of the room and 20 or so laid-off workers would be there and I would ask them a question that I ask at the beginning of any subject, which is something that the first filmmaker who I worked for taught me, which is to ask if your life was going to be on TV tonight, if you were going to turn on PBS and see that story,