 deep criminal ties to these organizations. And so it's just gotten very, very violent. And for a lot of smugglers to do the work now, you have to be gang-affiliated, cartel-affiliated. And once you kind of get locked into that world, it's really difficult to get away. And so Roberto was someone who wasn't even 20 yet and kind of saw that things were not going to end well for him if he didn't get out of prison.