 Well, here with us is Andy Pazder. He covered aviation safety for the Wall Street Journal from the 1980s all the way to 2021, and he's now writing a book on airline safety. Andy, welcome back to On Point. It's good to be here with you to talk about such a timely topic. So let's start with McNerney. He takes the reins of Boeing, what, in 2005, correct? Yes.