 I think an industry like music, it can be a very difficult career path to choose. So I do think it took a long time to get the guts to admit to myself that I wanted to be a songwriter or that this is what we wanted to do. I think in the back of all of our heads, when we were learning our instruments when we were kids, it was always kind of that pipe dream that you'd love to do it, but would you ever get the chance to? And yeah, it took a long time to figure out what sound we wanted or what kind of music we wanted to make, what we wanted it to mean.