 It's a good question. I feel like we've gotten to know one another quite well. But we'll go for long stretches of time where we're not in touch, and then someone will suggest, well, maybe we need to go back to Milwaukee. And we call, and it's like old home week. How are you? What's going on? They know about our kids. It's kind of friendly. We always, I think, try to keep a certain journalistic distance, you know,