 we're always honest with ourselves so as we grow older we're like okay well what's the next record going to sound like we're definitely not going to try to jump on the pop bandwagon or try to sound or look younger than we are we're just being very honest with ourselves always be honest with yourself longevity is the key you know it's you can't fool anybody people are not stupid i want to talk about that longevity is the key thing in just a second but how about we listen to something off the record just take a listen to this