 had heard me in New Bedford driving back and forth to Cape one day, and he offered me a job. And I get into Providence, and once I get into Providence, I talked WPRO into letting us do URI basketball, which I actually did for one year, which I had Kraft with there. But at the same time, I was really getting to know Mike Trangisi and Dave Gavitt, and that was all the beginning of the Big East. I was fortunate enough to get involved in that early on, and Dave kind of paved the way for me to have a career.