 And at that moment, I felt like two things. One, Joe Biden, is he not an effective messenger? And the frustration for me as a Democrat, we've got a great message. And look, we've got a lot of people out there who can very clearly articulate our message. But the voters, they're going to look to that top person. And if that top person can't say it, it's going to hurt in a big way. So that's what crystallized after the debate. I called the White House the day after the debate. What did you say? I said, he's got to get out.