 And that's the show. On the Media is produced by Eloise Blondio, Molly Rosen, Rebecca Clark Callender, and Candice Wong, with help from Pamela Appiah. Our technical director is Jennifer Munson. Our engineer this week is Brendan Dalton. Katja Rogers is our executive producer. On the Media is a production of WNYC Studios. Micah Lowinger will be back next week. I'm Brooke Gladstone.