 So these donors, many of them really want to see Biden step aside, step aside gracefully. I've talked to people who are looking at the RNC convention next week saying maybe that's a good time for Democrats to counter program and start to look to the future and say, look at our bench of candidates and kind of retake the news cycle in a more positive way. There's division over whether folks want to see Kamala Harris become the next nominee as the VP stepping up,