 And that's how it works. Larry's in his car. Larry, you're on WPRO. Hi, Larry. How are you doing? Very well-spoken. And your callers, a lot of them are more eloquent than I'm going to be. But what I think it is is that money is how they punish people in a civil situation as opposed to a criminal situation. That's all the tool they have. And I think that's why the money is taking precedence here.