 So I had really taken like an intentional pause in the year 2019 to make St. Cloud and to just kind of like regroup. So I was like ready to go. I was ready to go on tour. And I had gone to Nashville to do some press. And the big piece of press that I did was I interviewed Lucinda Williams. And I had met her very briefly once before, but that's the first time I ever really spent time with her. And we spent like a whole afternoon and night together.