 What he wants to do is offer something to the white working class, particularly in the Rust Belt states. And that has grown into a sort of full blown interest in industrial economic policy. This is one of the areas where he has wide differentiation from traditional sort of economic free market conservatism. First of all, we should point out that he's been asked directly about those comments about Trump. His answer is very much the same as mine, which is Trump surprised him and he was wrong. Here we go.