 So we hit it off, and she's taught me everything I've known for these last 20-plus years. Then in 2008, when the economic downturn happened, it was my wife, Dorothy, who came up with the concept of the Soul Kitchens, which there's no prices on our menu. It's farm-to-table food. No institutional kind of government-funded food pantry or food bank stuff. Soup kitchens, it's not what we do. We created an empowerment program