 He didn't ever use the word trauma or traumatic, but it was clearly a traumatic day for him, seeing the violence. We can't fathom it. Anyone who's seen Saving Private Ryan, I mean, he said in other interviews, he saw guys get their faces blown off around him, right? And so he can't, and I say this not only with no judgment, but I think everyone listening will understand, when his mind takes him back, he can see so vividly what he looked out. He was piloting a Navy boat.