 This applied to the reality experiments and also to the scripted stuff that was on. But one of the things is to just recapture the way audiences and critics at the time, rather than people now looking back, felt about these shows is very exciting. I know that we're going to talk about an American family, but it's always a little weird to me that that show is on the air at the same time as these Chuck Beres shows, because they come from very different worlds, but they're really deeply contrasting