 And they said, I don't have a lot of interaction with him. This is a pretty senior cabinet member secretary, and this is two years ago. This is one of those, you know, it's a classic open secrets non-conversation, right? It's the story everybody knows and no one was, everybody was afraid to talk about. So for two years, Chuck Todd has known that there are senior members of the cabinet who are wondering whether or not Joe Biden can actually run again like this.