 I'd imagine that most people that were there, that was the first time they'd ever been shot at, so it was kind of everybody's adrenaline was pretty peaked at that point, if that makes sense. Makes a lot of sense. Joel Hills, glad you're okay. Thanks for sharing what you saw with us. Yes, sir. Thank you. That was a conversation from earlier this evening, since then a lot of the facts that we were being careful in couching have been confirmed. You're listening to live special coverage from NPR News.