 And John, meanwhile, he is the son of farmers who are the son of farmers who are the son of farmers who are the son of farmers all the way back. But people who also, at the same time, were very smart and did fairly well for themselves. John did attend Harvard. That wasn't quite as prestigious back then as it is today, because it was kind of the only college that you could go to. But he did attend, and he still graduated with a law degree.