 that seems to me to be something that has to be demanded and he has to state it. And I would imagine that if I ask him the question, and maybe next time he's supposed to come on, I think we're scheduled to have him on in a couple of weeks, ask him that question, and he may say something to the effect of, we're going to do what the lawyers tell us to do. So how far does that go? If the lawyers tell you we can get