 and get the gym done or their journaling or their meditation or whatever it might be. But I have to say, even as an early bird, 5am is a little bit too early. Too early for me, definitely. I'll go the other way. I'll go midnight, 1am. James Kumarasamy speaking to me here on News Hour that you're listening to on the BBC. You're listening to News Hour from the BBC. I'm Nuala McGovern.