 I mean, the shows he created were actually versions of shows that started out on radio. And of course, that's the nature of TV. People just imitate things. But basically, there was a show called Blind Date on radio that also had a wall where people would flirt with soldiers. And he just sexed it up. And then he kept amping up that thing. I talked to his producer and his producer was talking to me about in the late 70s, Chuck saying, you got to get with the times. We got to have...