 that they're doing the right thing, right? And so, since you had so much close contact with the smugglers on the ground, I mean, was it interesting to you that on the one hand, they, as you said, they came to you almost because like no one knows their stories, no one hears their stories, they needed kind of a therapist, they wanted to be seen and heard. But at the same time, they kind of had to, well, in a sense, I don't know, I might be reading too much into this, but like seeking absolution for their sins, they wouldn't even like acknowledge that bad stuff had also happened too?