 Pretty close friends when I was in Los Angeles because I built a TV studio in my living room and he'd come up and do the web show and my internet streaming show. I think he was just kind of intrigued by the idea that you could build a TV studio in your living room in the early 2000s and he'd come up and we'd just do these little mock tonight shows until the wee hours of the morning and got to know each other pretty well.