 get to where he is right it's like somebody's got to do it give it to him is that the attitude kind of yeah he was very competent so it's partially that he was he could get a job done and do it well because when he committed himself to something he would see it through and so that's just partially him that just comes from him and you know part of that Puritan ethic comes from you know the culture of the community but it's also just him and yeah so part