 I mean, he often is. I want to go back before. You mentioned when you guys got together at the university. I want to go back before that. So I was working on this for a long time. I tracked down this recording. I'll tell you this. It's really, really rough. I think you might recognize the song. I'm wondering if you're going to recognize where it's from. And it's not you. Okay, I'll play something. Take a listen to this.