 you know, between the two of them, and I could just see where the, that's where the, as Eddie would say, the magic was. They communicated, they had their thing down, and it's like I fit right in. And I remember Gerald and Eddie, I would talk to them periodically just to get knowledge, you know, because they were already out there. But I wouldn't sing. I would always play with my trio, but I would never sing.