 Or, I don't know, make a new path for myself. And I think Karami was also trying to create and find a new path for himself. And I think that's where the similarity was. I mean, that's a beautiful thing. And it really did happen. I mean, we were just talking about this on the way in that, I mean, again, I'm not trying to blow smoke here, but it's nice to get a chance to talk to you while everything is kind of happening. And I know there's a cost to a lot of stuff happening at once.