 The ABC interview. Oh, the ABC interview. Yeah, you know, look, I think that he, I think that it's good that he did it, and I think he should do more of that, you know, getting out in front of the voters some more. All right, what do you notice? That's the first time I heard that, because that just came in this morning. Steve Klampkin, I don't know who the other journalist is or the other person who's with him. What do you notice?