 who was in his mid-30s. He'd been doing this for a long time. And I had seen him rob migrants. I had seen him rip people off. But I'd also had conversations with him where he would say things to me like, I'm a good smuggler. I want my children to know that I'm providing a service, that I'm not out robbing people, even though he clearly was. And so there's, I think, sometimes a bit of this kind of cognitive dissonance of like,