 big room all together, and we would record. I remember sitting literally right across from him quite a few times. I would be playing a rig, and he would be playing a rig. And they would just give me the idea of what they were doing. I never had to read anything with him. In fact, I never had to read my whole career, except for when I worked with Ricky Miner a couple times, but by this time, I had it down.