 I mean, like a lot of the workers on reality shows that I write about in this book, people were inventing these professions that didn't exist. The idea of being a casting professional who got regular people to appear on pressured formats was a new thing. And so was being a field producer who knew how to talk to people, how to do interviews, how to move people through a story. So were editors. So when they used the crew on Survivor, they were making their jobs up as they went along.