 But I think that since I started writing songs, I've always felt really strongly like, well, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. And this is what I'm going to keep doing. I really didn't think about a career or I wasn't really ever angling for that. I think mostly because very shortly after I started my first band, I sort of got swept up in this community that was super DIY. So I never really thought about like, well, how am I going to make money at this? I was always sort of content to just have a day job.