 And so there's this issue about how the scientific community talks to the public when trying to deal with the uncertainties of new diseases. Right. You had to experience that a lot during the HIV AIDS crisis. So here is a moment with you again, a very young sounding, I should say, Dr. Fauci on PBS NewsHour in 1985. Can you give any kind of an educated guess about how long it might be before some kind of cure occurs?