 It was pretty powerful and eye-opening watching all this unfold in the operating room. Here's Dr. Sellers again. I don't want to oversimplify it, but it's life or death. And while people are discussing the pros and cons of it, people are dying. During that second procedure, a surgeon from another state joined Sellers to learn how he could start doing NRP2. So, you know, Steve, it's clear this debate won't end anytime soon. Rob, thanks for creeping me out. I really appreciate it. Sure, anytime, Steve. That's NPR Health correspondent Rob Stein.