 uh, after black lives matter. And I spoke to John after the black lives matter protest. And I had kind of thought that he might be a bashed or apologetic. He wasn't, he was emboldened. He actually, I don't know. It's a, it's a long complicated story, but I was, I remember during that conversation, I felt like his, he had devoted his entire life for justifying what happens on that show. And certainly the show has had an enormous influence. Um,