 It's an interesting question, Joe, and I'm not sure I fully understand it. I think part of it was that, I mean, Jackie really loved reading, and she was very smart, and Dick and she got along well. They talked about projects together. In fact, it was Dick's idea, we found a memo again in the boxes where he said to Jackie, how about a dinner for the Nobel Prize winners? And it turned out to be the dinner that is later called the Dinner in Camelot, a whole