 we come to the proposal we're making out of a kind of frustration, even an exhaustion of the current terms of debate. Because on the one hand, there are arguments that if someone is queer or trans, they must have in some way been warped. And as against that pathologizing view of queer and trans people, it has seemed like the only thing we could say to defend queer and trans life is that queer and trans people are born that way. And this to us doesn't actually seem