 the skills that he learned in the lab and with dad, I think that's what, that's why he's been so successful in doing those collar restorations and even the other black and whites and sepia tones and all the things that we do in the restoration photography. He's an expert at it, Bart. I mean, I know you know this, but he's the best I've ever seen and comes alongside now is Ben. Ben is just, he's that, well, we know what he can do graphically with the,