 A trillion dollars of debt service. That means interest. We pay a trillion dollars a year just in interest. Here's my, I'll get to my thought, then we'll take a break, then we'll talk about Biden on the second part of this interview. But here's my thought, especially politically, if you're running for something, and especially right now, I wasn't alive during Vietnam and all that, so maybe times could have been different then, but the world was different then. Right now, if you run and you say, look,