 with our insurance business. Sometimes we're just doing a ministry. And in fact, I've even complained. It's like, gosh, I don't mind doing the ministry, but I'd like to do a little less of it. Most of the people I had talked to, I was able to help, but it didn't help me. So like I said, we are in there to make a living, but we're not going to be greedy. We're not going to be just wanting that money. So anyway, so that's where that is. The other thing I wanted to talk about