 Pat Hayden and I battled it out, then they brought in Bert Jones. So there's always a quarterback. There's always a second quarterback. When that happens on a team, Vince, you know, you and Pat Hayden paddling it out, because it was big news stories. It was in the newspaper every day, and people calling in on talk shows. Oh, keep Pat Hayden. You know, go back and forth. Did you guys ever, like, you know,