 um and you know the employee handbook and all of those things and so I enjoyed that for a period of my life but it just you know business by itself it did not feel my deeper need to help people and so then I took like this little departing journey where I moved into working with some non-profits thought that I might want to go into ministry for a little while cracked my head pretty hard on the glass ceiling in the denomination that I was a part of and that's a story for another time that's