 Braves like him as a pitcher. A lot of people like him as a pitcher. But as soon as he's drafted, he then undergoes Tommy John surgery. So he doesn't pitch professionally in 21 or 22. So he doesn't begin pitching regularly as a starter until last year. He's made just two starts above high A. That was his last two starts at AA before getting called up in May. And Kevin, I think there's a lot of positive to be taken from it.