 The justification, the sort of calculus is that Joe Biden even engaged 10 to 4 or Joe Biden even at 86 is better than Donald Trump. And that is often how they are justifying, even if they're concerned. I mean, if it's 10 to 4 now, what is it like when he's 85, 86 years old? And they know that. And I think there is some grappling, especially after the debate. It goes beyond just whether or not Joe Biden can still beat Donald Trump.