 that we had, you know? The proof of the pudding is that Dennis called me to do his album when Dennis did his solo album. I played the drums. A lot of times, the guys would be sitting around the studio. We didn't know that there were guys in the band. The guitar players that were in these various groups, when they realized guys like Tommy Tedesco was going to be playing, they wanted to sit around and watch. And the drummers would want to sit around and watch myself or Al. They were there like more or less they were learning. You know, it would be something that I'd like to see, too, if it had been the other way around.