 in shade. It kind of grows a little scraggly. It's reaching for the sunlight. And so that's where we'll see more of that 10, 12 foot, you know, very open form. But if you take it out in full sun, most of the times that's where I'm seeing six to eight feet tall and wide. Once again, it's like any shrub. If you don't like, that sounds too big for you, you can prune.