 It was a big deal. I mean, it sounds crazy, but we did argue about it all of our married life. I mean, he was so loyal to the Kennedys. He was young when he started working for Jack Kennedy. He's in his 20s still. As I said, he was close to Jackie and then really, really close to Bobby. So he felt that that was his world. And there was a difference in the Kennedy world. Even though his best work was done with LBJ,