 And I met Ann Blake Tracy 20 years ago. A mutual friend introduced me. And while I was working at her home, that was the purpose, to do some work on her yard and home and whatnot. But she had houseguests there. And her best friend, a woman named Donna Taylor, and her three sons, the middle son of which was the first shooting victim at Columbine. He had six to 13 bullets in him. They don't know how many, still some today, that were fragmented.