 to deal with whether it's people in the community, state level, to get something done as a president. It's incredibly hard on a college campus. So that impressed me, the fact he had nine projects going at the time. And then, number two, the fact that he asked questions and he listened. That's not something you always get when you're a football coach talking to the president. Normally, it's a one-way conversation. He asked really good questions. It was clear to me that he wanted to win. He wanted to be successful. He was willing to support a head coach that was going to be organized and detailed and have a plan. So,