 Yes. And when the deck is so stacked against you, how do you overcome? You have to be really strong character wise. Right. And that's why we know the names. That's why we know the names of the people that have to whatever degree that they did. Because it was not given to them. They had to fight for it very hard. This comes in and says, this is said about schooling. One of the longest stretches on earth is the distance between education policy makers and what goes on in the heads of kids.