 it's and you know i really do believe because you know lots of things get credit for laying the groundwork for talk radio but i have often said i mean it was baseball on radio it's the perfect sport for radio for people who are very descriptive um and it just let people know how to listen how to be talk radio listeners which sounds oh you just well no no no you've got to have someone who's relatively entertaining who is you know they call it theater of the mind who is