 So that's how we would set it up. My suspicion, and something mentioned in the book, is the subordinate is going to have to struggle to transition into this role. They don't know exactly what's happening. As much as you can tell them, the subordinate is going to say, well, what does this look like? What does this feel like? Wills, what has your experience been with the people you coach and how they've coached their subordinates into changing their relationship with leadership?