 if you don't want to sacrifice flowering and seed production. There you go, talking with Bill DeBoer. Again, the website is woodywarehouse.com. Be sure and check it out. Talking about Spicebush, Lindera benzoin, and a great plant. Again, we failed to mention Spicebush Swallowtail Caterpillar, a larval host for that as well. And, of course, we're always working out for those pollinators.