 conversation to be absolutely what they're basically doing is going around the corner saying come over here let's meet for a minute here and see if we can get on the same page without telling joe and the campaign what we're doing um it is bizarre we're talking with luke vargas he's a correspondent out of london uh but he was down here covering the dnc's headed back to london can you hang on one more segment let's do it okay we're gonna take a quick break we'll be right back stay with us