 So we're resorting to trying to get older specimens that we can sex and then go to market with. And I'm glad you brought that up because that would have been my first question after we took the break. So we're going to leave everybody hanging with that. Male and female. So how do I know when I go to my local garden center whether I'm getting a male or female spicebush? Well, we're going to find out from Bill DeBoer. He's from Woody Warehouse, website WoodyWarehouse.com, talking about natives here in the garden with Ron Wilson.