 Was as loose as I've ever seen him. What does that mean? I don't know. Could be good. I think he's pretty confident. I do think he's pretty confident. It was interesting talking about his defense with him because he's very excited about this group. They're really deep, especially on the defensive line. They're not used to that. And Josh Heupel does not want to be pigeonholed as one of those up-tempo offensive coaches who doesn't care about defense. You probably talk about certain people like that.