 And by all accounts, the type of person that he is from like a management, like day-to-day granular activity standpoint, maybe it's not as like crazy as Nick Saban, where every minute of his day was like, we are going to have the best 60 second walk through this hallway that you've ever seen. We're going to maximize our trip to the vending machine. Like that was how, what's what made Saban great. And from what I understand about Kalen DeBoer is he's a much more, there's a different type of leadership there.