 When Mayor Conger went into office five years ago, now five of these council members weren't even on the council then, four or five of them, weren't even on the city council. Frank McMean, Julie Holt, J.P. Stovall, and Candace Busby have all only been on there a year. All right, so help me out with this. What information do you have that everybody doesn't? When Mayor Conger took over, there was like a $16 million deficit.