 Now, let me tell you about that. What he would do, and we learned this story last year. He would get on that mule wagon with his mules. They're about to be in a team of 20 mules in his wagon, and he would be playing and playing. And people were depressed then. Scott, it was a long way from Kitchell to Murfreesboro in those days on a dirt road, right? Especially a mule-drawn carriage.