 but i've noticed more and more like we had a mobile exxon the other day and he said yeah we run on verizon which i was surprised to hear him say that because typically they don't say that but now they do i guess um so that's what i mean and the way that these mvnos like why would you go with an mvno why would you go with a lively over a verizon well it's because lively has certain specific features and pricing plans that are very appealing to a certain group of people