 joined professional baseball up until about three years into his major league career that he wasn't a starter yeah and then the last three years he's one of the best starters in baseball and he bounced back and forth yeah he's a starter and he's a reliever and he's a starter i'm all along i'm going i don't know maybe it's me but oh my god that's pretty good leave him alone leave him in the rotation no and as a pitcher you talk to anybody i mean we talked to guys like alan winans darius fines um