 So those were great programs back in school because you got a taste and you found out you had a passion for photography, right? Well, I think the big thing in our day, you realize, like I was born in the 40s, it was a pretty tough thing. It wasn't a lot of things to actually get a job and make any money. Was it hard to find? My brother was just wearing me out making $25 a week. I mean, I said, I've got to do something. I've got to catch up, you know.