 Welcome to the Whence We Came project podcast, an archived audio anthology of American lives, both local and legendary, as told by the Americans that live them. My name is John Owen, and I'll be your host today. My conversation today is with Dale Ballinger, a noted educator and accomplished musician. I'd wanted to get to know him better for some time. I found Dale to be an insightful, introspective man with a deep love for beauty,