 That's right. Or the moderators in the debate. I think it's more of the responsibility of the combatant in the campaign. But again, the moderator certainly has a role there, too. Right. And they could have said something. So in the interview with George, I don't think that was a good interview. I don't think it was a good interview. George was not a good interviewer. And Biden, I think it was just bland. I think it was so what? It was bland. It wasn't as bad as the debate.