 And following through. That means a lot, too. A lot of times it's hard to get people to follow through until the end. Well, then I imagine it's harder to get those younger people because they've got full-time jobs. They've got families. They've got kids. So their focus is kind of this. So it'd be hard to recruit them unless they just have a big heart for kids. But I would say both Bob and I started when we had families and kids. Oh, really? Yeah.