 So this was something that we loved doing. We would go and climb up and down those bluffs. We would hike behind them. And when we went down the hardest part of it, my son, he wasn't tall. He was only about, you know, maybe that tall. He couldn't reach the parts that I could reach. He couldn't reach the places to put his feet to step. So I would tell him, I'd say, listen, we're going down. And I just went down. So, you know, it's there.