 calls him a First Amendment hero, and I'm glad that he's not a First Amendment martyr because I think that instead of putting him in a Marianas Islands courtroom, they wanted to throw him to the bottom of the Marianas Trench was how things were headed there for him. So initially there was an indictment, a sealed indictment that came under the Trump administration, I believe, in 2018, and then that got processed up to a further 17 years.