 over who should take blame for the economy. So let's get right into it with the president of the Stelmark Business Development Consultants, Hillary Ford, which along with the host of the Money Runner podcast, David Nelson. Welcome to both of you. I appreciate having you on, Hillary. I'll jump right in. Who's right here? The pandemic did hit towards the end of Donald Trump's presidency, which did put a lot on Joe Biden's plate. But the president has been saying that we're doing great in spite of the prices continuing to go up. So who should we believe?