 young boy or young man and he knew about they all know about it so all you got to do is go to nickel clay and which is sort of the beginning of this of this and know this and so i mean was there when you talk to mayorkas was there any interest in going to columbia talking to the columbians about this stage and ground and figuring out you know if there's any sort of effort to sort of because they're going to die on the darien gap or a lot of them