 Well, the court suggested that the statute could involve information that's intangible, not just physical evidence. So information could potentially implicate it, but also falsifying some of the allegations in the indictment or charges included falsifying certifications of electoral votes, which were sent in to the vice president. All right, if you're a guessing person, throw those two counts out. I mean, it's Judge Tutkin who has not ruled favorably against him in everything, the trial court judge.