 None of them, though, are obvious candidates. None of them are consensus choices. And I think people are not naming the names of people who, if it does go to an open convention, could win it. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren. These delegates are extremely liberal. And so this is part of why the Bidens not just feel that they should say, but it's a talking point they have. I don't know that they've had these conversations, but if they come up, they can say, hey, you want me to go? You want to leave roll of the dice to say that it's going to be Kamala Harris or Bernie Sanders against Donald Trump? That's a pretty strong talking point.