 And second of all, he said, if anything's happening, sea level appears to be going down a little bit. And he used a lot of objective measurements to figure this out. One place that he monitored for 50 years was an island in the South Pacific, which we're told these islands are all supposed to be underwater. He measured the distance from the high tide and the low tide mark to a particular tree on the South Pacific island regularly for 50 years. And he said the sea level did not budge at all.