 I will ask him regularly, so how are you doing? Where are you with your faith? What are some of the struggles? What are some of the questions that you might be having? And if he's open to talking about those, then we dialogue about those. I'll say, do you want to hear what I have to say on it? And he might be interested as long as I'm not going to give him a long lecture on it or some long answer. But I think another really helpful piece in all of this is finding what sometimes are called secondary authority figures, which are people outside of the family