 That's kind of a conversation stopper because most people don't do a lot between five and six in the morning. But he went on to say, everybody has the time to do those kind of things if they want to make the time to do that. Well, it was something that stuck with me. And again, that was probably about 1979, 1980. And it's something I thought a lot about, but it never really did anything to change my life or was any value other than