 by the, by the people of that time. But then Alma goes further and he talks about Moses and he talks about the time being raised in the wilderness. So he, he's talking about the brass serpent there and the fiery serpents. There's a great article about the fiery serpents in interpreter. And it's written by, I want to say Neil Rapley, but he was quoting a guy who from in the Harvard theological seminar, a guy named Abzog. I can't,