 was that they said that they were better off now because they felt liberated or set free or a weight had been released from them in leaving the faith. And my question at the end of the research was then, how can the religion and the faith of Jesus, who says that his burden is light and his yoke is easy and that he's come to give you life and life more abundantly, how could they have found it that way? And I think that there's only really two answers to that. And one is that...