 No, I think it was definitely not a waste of time. I love learning from like other CEOs, just like how they start their businesses, like the hardships that they have to go through and like the risk that they have to take to be successful. Especially like since like I'm trying to figure out what I want to do in my life and like business is really interesting. So like learning from someone else is like really, I think, beneficial for me. Catherine, how many brothers and sisters do you have and where are you in the pecking order?