 I think that was probably one of the best leadership lessons I learned when I very first became a people leader. I kind of reverted back into that seriousness as a child because I had an image of what a leader was, buttoned up and professional. And those first few weeks of being a new people leader in my early 20s, I was exhausted every day. And one of my entrepreneur role models, Sarah Blakely, who founded Spanx, I heard her at that exact time in an interview say, you don't have to be serious to be taken seriously.