 And what kind of shade it needs, what kind of sun it needs, what kind of water it needs, what kind of soil. I mentioned that for my native scape that rocks would actually do better. And that's pretty well documented. And if you go up into the mountains, like I did earlier today, and take a hike, you'll notice that the native penstemons and some of these other native plants, they're not on lush garden soil. They are on scrubby soil.