 They gave them a fine, indemnity payments, occupation. They had certain protocols, all of which the Carthaginians met. But they sent a delegation to see what was going on, and they were shocked that there were 500,000 people in the city. It was wealthier than ever, and it was on the rebound a third time. So the elder Cato, famous for saying Carthage must be destroyed, Carthago de Linda asked after every speech. They sent a huge,