 Us listening to it on the radio would not or the phonograph as President Biden may think we're still using. And I think for CNN, the moderators played it as straight tonight as you would have expected. I didn't see any times where President Trump felt like he was battling. It was a two on one. They basically they actually did what most people want journalists to do, which is to ask questions and let the other person, the person you're speaking to respond.