And it was interesting to me -- my background is in sociology; I had no design training, and sometimes people say, well, that explains it -- but it was a very interesting experiment because there's no product that I had to sell; it was simply the image of Microsoft they were trying to improve.
Беше ми интересно... завършил съм социология; не съм учил дизайн и понякога хората казват - е, това обяснява нещата... но беше много интересен експеримент, защото не трябваше да продавам някакъв продукт; просто се опитваха да подобрят образа на Майкрософт.