They didn't talk about vulnerability being comfortable, nor did they really talk about it being excruciating -- as I had heard it earlier in the shame interviewing.
त्यांच्या बोलण्यातून अगतिकता ही सुखदायी, किंवा अतिशय वेदनामय असल्याचे येत नव्हते-- जसं मी आधी शरमेच्या मुलाखतींमध्ये ऐकलं होतं. त्यांच्यामते अगतिकता गरजेची होती.