بر همین اساس ما میتونیم تصور کنیم که - البته نه کاملا - ولی‌ به هر حال در دهه ۸۰ میلادی که خیلی‌ مثل امروز جنگ نبود می‌شه گفت دوره‌ای بود که تمام دنیا به سوی تمدن در حرکت بود 
That means, we can imagine -- I don't say it was fantastic, but in the '80s, there was not too much war, like that, it was -- we can imagine that the civilization can become civilized. 