diff --git "a/subtitle/NCNeFSJexSY.srt" "b/subtitle/NCNeFSJexSY.srt" new file mode 100644--- /dev/null +++ "b/subtitle/NCNeFSJexSY.srt" @@ -0,0 +1,4280 @@ +1 +00:00:02,280 --> 00:00:09,440 +did you hear what Zuck + +2 +00:00:04,359 --> 00:00:11,799 +did did he he reviewed on products which + +3 +00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,759 +I think is hilarious yeah he reviewed + +4 +00:00:11,799 --> 00:00:16,920 +someone else's product compared to his + +5 +00:00:13,759 --> 00:00:19,199 +own products shocker he found his own + +6 +00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:22,720 +product to be dramatically better than + +7 +00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:24,560 +the competitor's product uh but he + +8 +00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,920 +chimed in on Vision Pro he had some + +9 +00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,840 +words to say about Vision Pro which is + +10 +00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,359 +really interesting cuz he runs meta and + +11 +00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,960 +it's almost like they're in their own + +12 +00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:32,680 +world of like this is the metaverse and + +13 +00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,399 +this is the products we build but even + +14 +00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,840 +he has something to say about Vision Pro + +15 +00:00:34,399 --> 00:00:37,680 +and I think that's because everyone has + +16 +00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,480 +something to say about Vision Pro and + +17 +00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,559 +it's kind of like a little + +18 +00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:42,879 +bit it's like threatening it's like on + +19 +00:00:41,559 --> 00:00:46,320 +the radar here let me just say something + +20 +00:00:42,879 --> 00:00:47,680 +about Vision Vision Pro so he uh let's + +21 +00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,600 +just play what he I actually agree with + +22 +00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:53,239 +a lot of what he says let's just play + +23 +00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:55,960 +some of what he says about Quest three + +24 +00:00:53,239 --> 00:00:58,399 +all right guys so I finally tried + +25 +00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:01,199 +Apple's Vision Pro and you know I have + +26 +00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:03,039 +to say that before this I expected that + +27 +00:01:01,199 --> 00:01:04,438 +Quest would be the better value for most + +28 +00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:07,200 +people since it's really good and it's + +29 +00:01:04,438 --> 00:01:09,080 +like seven times less expensive uh but + +30 +00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,000 +after using it I don't just think that + +31 +00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,200 +Quest is the better value I think that + +32 +00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,360 +Quest is the better product period shock + +33 +00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,000 +and you know the different companies + +34 +00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,799 +made different design decisions for the + +35 +00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,000 +headsets they have different strengths + +36 +00:01:17,799 --> 00:01:23,158 +but overall Quest is better for the vast + +37 +00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,920 +majority of things that people use mixed + +38 +00:01:23,158 --> 00:01:28,280 +reality for mixed now my friend Kenny is + +39 +00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,400 +actually capturing this video on quests + +40 +00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:34,560 +high resolution mixed reality through + +41 +00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:37,000 +right now it's just a guy a guy for + +42 +00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,479 +audio listeners it is just a guy sitting + +43 +00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,158 +there hey hey Kenny Kenny sorry Kenny if + +44 +00:01:40,479 --> 00:01:43,759 +Kenny's a real person cuz he's not + +45 +00:01:42,158 --> 00:01:46,360 +moving in the video at all you think it + +46 +00:01:43,759 --> 00:01:48,119 +looks more or less memeable than people + +47 +00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,759 +doing video with Vision Pro which was + +48 +00:01:48,119 --> 00:01:51,439 +just like the eyes shining through like + +49 +00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:53,759 +uh I think less memeable cuz the eyes + +50 +00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:55,479 +are a really big part of the meme K he's + +51 +00:01:53,759 --> 00:01:57,920 +keeping his head perfectly still to be a + +52 +00:01:55,479 --> 00:02:01,680 +tripod for this video and the Cutaway to + +53 +00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:04,039 +Kenny is just the headset on it's great + +54 +00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,439 +very funny also he it's like surprised + +55 +00:02:04,039 --> 00:02:07,799 +it's being shot with the quest Pro it's + +56 +00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:11,080 +like we can tell the video quality is + +57 +00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:12,800 +not good yeah yeah so I figured I think + +58 +00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,200 +he goes on next to start listing things + +59 +00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,840 +do you just want to pause after each + +60 +00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,800 +thing he lists and we'll say whether we + +61 +00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,280 +agree or disagree I like that format + +62 +00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,480 +yeah I think in general I agree with + +63 +00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,720 +most of them but let's break it down one + +64 +00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,840 +by one yeah sure okay before we keep + +65 +00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,480 +going I just want to add the the the the + +66 +00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,599 +the Vision Pro eyes it's not exactly the + +67 +00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,760 +least cringe thing in the whole world + +68 +00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:35,480 +but with the like weird triple triclops + +69 +00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,120 +slit it you look it's like the guy has + +70 +00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,840 +like a face hugger on his face also he + +71 +00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,680 +looks like he's being controlled by the + +72 +00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:45,120 +headset and not the other way around + +73 +00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,879 +yeah all ruring this video on quest's + +74 +00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,440 +high resolution mixed reality pass + +75 +00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:50,440 +through right now we're just here in my + +76 +00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,079 +living room and you can see his his + +77 +00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,599 +browser windows and you know whatever + +78 +00:02:52,079 --> 00:02:56,920 +else he's got running up here um so yeah + +79 +00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:59,840 +Quest 3 does highquality pass through + +80 +00:02:56,920 --> 00:03:02,200 +with big screens uh just like Vision Pro + +81 +00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,200 +but we also designed it to be great for + +82 +00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,239 +a lot of other things uh moving around + +83 +00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,239 +playing games hanging out with friends + +84 +00:03:06,239 --> 00:03:10,760 +and socializing working out um and more + +85 +00:03:09,239 --> 00:03:14,400 +pause + +86 +00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:17,360 +Quest I would generally agree that + +87 +00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,680 +because Quest is lighter and more + +88 +00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,560 +comfortable and doesn't have a cable + +89 +00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,079 +running to your back pocket it's easier + +90 +00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,720 +to walk around especially being more + +91 +00:03:23,079 --> 00:03:26,280 +active in it it's kind of like wearing + +92 +00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,000 +light plastic headphones versus wearing + +93 +00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,560 +airpods Macs I saw somebody running in + +94 +00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,079 +the city recently wearing airpods Macs I + +95 +00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,319 +was like damn that's going to get a + +96 +00:03:32,079 --> 00:03:36,000 +concussion that's I also yeah I wouldn't + +97 +00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:38,560 +want to get my ear sweat on those + +98 +00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,519 +cushions yeah so uh same thing with + +99 +00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,439 +Vision Pro that that light seal cushion + +100 +00:03:40,519 --> 00:03:44,879 +you can't really buy another one so I + +101 +00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:46,799 +wouldn't want to wear a big heavy Vision + +102 +00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:48,360 +Pro being active nearly as much as I'd + +103 +00:03:46,799 --> 00:03:50,560 +want to wear a quest being active so I'd + +104 +00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,680 +give him credit there yeah a lot of + +105 +00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,760 +people also like working out in quests + +106 +00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,519 +like Supernatural is a very popular + +107 +00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,680 +Exercise app and Quest that people use + +108 +00:03:56,519 --> 00:04:01,480 +all the time I mean just beat saer like + +109 +00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,519 +is incredibly like I'm sweaty every time + +110 +00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:06,280 +I play + +111 +00:04:02,519 --> 00:04:07,760 +that two apps similar to beat saber + +112 +00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,280 +right now in my vision Pro they're not + +113 +00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,959 +exactly beats saer but one of them is + +114 +00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,200 +basically like beat saer with your hands + +115 +00:04:10,959 --> 00:04:13,920 +it's not I think what David was talking + +116 +00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,239 +about is very similar also like a lot of + +117 +00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,000 +the exercising things are like things + +118 +00:04:15,239 --> 00:04:19,440 +coming at you when you do yeah you got + +119 +00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,279 +to like Dodge things and jump and like + +120 +00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,000 +duck it's it's basically a high + +121 +00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,080 +intensity interval training app but it's + +122 +00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,520 +like gamified yeah yeah I think he talks + +123 +00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,960 +a little bit more too about something + +124 +00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,919 +you say shortly okay um you I think it's + +125 +00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,440 +just a lot more comfortable um you know + +126 +00:04:31,919 --> 00:04:36,320 +we designed it to weigh 120 g less which + +127 +00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,759 +makes a really big difference on your + +128 +00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,600 +face um there's no wires that get in the + +129 +00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:43,479 +way when you move around deal our field + +130 +00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,880 +of view is is wider and I found our + +131 +00:04:43,479 --> 00:04:49,759 +screen to be brighter + +132 +00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:51,199 +also okay okay nicely specific I love + +133 +00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,840 +that this is a straight to camera one + +134 +00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:56,039 +take by Zuck and he Nails all of these + +135 +00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:58,479 +like specific points yeah yes the screen + +136 +00:04:56,039 --> 00:05:00,160 +in the quest is brighter and has a wider + +137 +00:04:58,479 --> 00:05:02,240 +field of view + +138 +00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,639 +but is it better overall is a different + +139 +00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,160 +question well he brings that up later + +140 +00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:08,840 +though yeah um I would say yes you're + +141 +00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,840 +right Zuck it is specifically brighter + +142 +00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:12,880 +and has a wider field of view I would + +143 +00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:15,199 +say I've heard the thing about wider + +144 +00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,759 +field of view putting both of them + +145 +00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:20,199 +on I can't really tell that much of a + +146 +00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:23,120 +difference both of them I can see + +147 +00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:25,120 +borders around my eyes and you don't get + +148 +00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,479 +that like peripheral vision and you + +149 +00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,080 +figure that out very quickly when + +150 +00:05:26,479 --> 00:05:31,680 +something comes into the corner of your + +151 +00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,800 +your eyes or like was it you wearing it + +152 +00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,000 +or you wearing it and we were sitting + +153 +00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,000 +next to each other and oh yeah that's + +154 +00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,720 +that's another thing when you try and + +155 +00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,560 +like drink a water bottle it gets really + +156 +00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:44,360 +big and distorts it distorts real hard + +157 +00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:46,440 +so yeah sure like cool it's a little + +158 +00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,800 +better I don't think it's a noticeable + +159 +00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,880 +difference that's that big of a deal + +160 +00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,240 +yeah I think unless you do them back + +161 +00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,319 +toback you probably won't specifically + +162 +00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,520 +think wow the quest has way wider field + +163 +00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:56,880 +of view yeah uh but in general that's + +164 +00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,400 +something that I mean this is the quest + +165 +00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,440 +3 it's third generation it's something + +166 +00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,039 +the headsets have been working on for + +167 +00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,440 +for a while is getting progressively + +168 +00:06:01,039 --> 00:06:04,600 +wider and wider and more immersive field + +169 +00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,479 +of view so to see a $3,500 headset have + +170 +00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,880 +a narrower field of view was like a big + +171 +00:06:06,479 --> 00:06:10,039 +point of contention for Quest + +172 +00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,639 +enthusiasts so that is a fact also + +173 +00:06:10,039 --> 00:06:13,960 +weight is a big thing cuz he mentioned + +174 +00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:16,160 +he made it 150 g later or so and that's + +175 +00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,599 +a big we all agree that the quest 3 is + +176 +00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,840 +far more comfortable than right like + +177 +00:06:18,599 --> 00:06:22,520 +because meta is willing to make things + +178 +00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:25,319 +out of plastic and apple is not and has + +179 +00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:28,000 +a battery yeah I I Feel Like The Vision + +180 +00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:31,840 +Pro is more comfy personally really just + +181 +00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:34,560 +because the the Quest Pro and three get + +182 +00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:37,720 +so the is a different situation just + +183 +00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,880 +three just three hot but it gets so hot + +184 +00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,199 +it like like literally I pull the three + +185 +00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,960 +off after like a 2our session and my + +186 +00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:45,360 +face is dripping have you used the + +187 +00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,759 +Vision Pro for two hours though I have + +188 +00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,479 +not use the Vision Pro for two hours but + +189 +00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:50,639 +I I find it really hard to believe it + +190 +00:06:48,479 --> 00:06:52,599 +gets that hot makes your eyes kind of + +191 +00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:54,120 +hot interestingly so I mean I've worn + +192 +00:06:52,599 --> 00:06:55,319 +The Vision Pro I mean on the Pod I + +193 +00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,479 +didn't have anything intensive running + +194 +00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:59,759 +but for a long time you can start to + +195 +00:06:57,479 --> 00:07:01,599 +feel the warm air passing out the top + +196 +00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:03,240 +over your forehead and the fans turn on + +197 +00:07:01,599 --> 00:07:04,680 +and you never hear the fans and you + +198 +00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,160 +never really feel like hot air hitting + +199 +00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,520 +your eyes or anything like that but you + +200 +00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,160 +do kind of notice like oh the top of + +201 +00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,160 +this thing is kind of warm that's as far + +202 +00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,160 +as I've gotten as I don't I haven't + +203 +00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,080 +actually worn Quest 3 for two straight + +204 +00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,520 +hours doing anything crazy but that's + +205 +00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,680 +interesting that it gets a lot hotter + +206 +00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,160 +I've only made it like 3 hours and at + +207 +00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,160 +that point it's like the combination of + +208 +00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,919 +the eye strain from looking at it and + +209 +00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,400 +the heat on my face I'm just like I'm + +210 +00:07:23,919 --> 00:07:26,599 +done with this thing interesting + +211 +00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,520 +personally but you're right I haven't + +212 +00:07:26,599 --> 00:07:30,560 +tried Vision Pro for that for an + +213 +00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,520 +extended work as soon as everyone's done + +214 +00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,280 +passing it around I'm going to try the + +215 +00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,080 +full the full work day on it get pink + +216 +00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,720 +eye and no one thing you mentioned + +217 +00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,360 +before and he mentioned the wire hanging + +218 +00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:44,159 +down I think is actually like totally + +219 +00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,400 +agree not having that wire is so nice + +220 +00:07:44,159 --> 00:07:47,080 +like it makes everything more + +221 +00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,120 +comfortable I do also find it funny + +222 +00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,680 +Ellis brought off Quest Pro I think it's + +223 +00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,759 +hilarious that he doesn't compare it to + +224 +00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:56,800 +Quest Pro once in this entire video just + +225 +00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:59,840 +completely disregards which feels so + +226 +00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,120 +much more like the comparison um and + +227 +00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,280 +then oh the third thing we're talking + +228 +00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,879 +about comfortableness I just want to + +229 +00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,319 +throw this out I saw this awesome thing + +230 +00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:08,800 +the other day where you can 3D print a + +231 +00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:11,879 +connector so you can use the Apple solo + +232 +00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,240 +band on the quest 3 and people say it's + +233 +00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:15,360 +so much more comfortable because the + +234 +00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:18,479 +quest 3 is so much lighter that you + +235 +00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:22,800 +actually do get the really nice like boa + +236 +00:08:18,479 --> 00:08:24,280 +version solo loop on the the quest three + +237 +00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,080 +I want to try with a 3D printing thing + +238 +00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,479 +it seems really sick that is probably + +239 +00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,720 +the alltime best Quest accessory yeah + +240 +00:08:28,479 --> 00:08:33,640 +wow kind of sick okay good to know cool + +241 +00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,599 +um I also noticed that you know Apple's + +242 +00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,880 +headset has this motion blur As you move + +243 +00:08:35,599 --> 00:08:40,799 +around which um Quest is just a lot + +244 +00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:43,279 +crisper now Apple screen does have a + +245 +00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:45,480 +higher the motion blur is annoying I + +246 +00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:47,959 +agree I'm trying to remember I guess I + +247 +00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:50,240 +don't think I used it as much I I will + +248 +00:08:47,959 --> 00:08:51,640 +have to say the quest has this thing and + +249 +00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,959 +I know there's a name for it but I don't + +250 +00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,240 +know where it is where if you're it + +251 +00:08:53,959 --> 00:08:56,200 +feels like on the bottom half of your + +252 +00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,640 +screen if you have something in your + +253 +00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,320 +foreground and background and you move + +254 +00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,720 +your head side to side it feels feel + +255 +00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,680 +like the top and the bottom start + +256 +00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,560 +swaying and like almost disconnecting + +257 +00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:07,720 +it's something I've noticed with some + +258 +00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:10,720 +that must be what it is yeah it's weird + +259 +00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:13,800 +and even though like the quest pro has + +260 +00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:17,240 +uh motion blur or sorry The Vision Pro + +261 +00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:19,120 +has motion blur I feel more comfortable + +262 +00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,480 +walking in the Vision Pro than I do in + +263 +00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,000 +the quest Pro there's something about + +264 +00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,600 +the quest Pro that feels just a little + +265 +00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:28,160 +disorienting and I think the quest Pro + +266 +00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:31,240 +wins in or sorry this is going to be a + +267 +00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,279 +very confusing not quest Quest three yes + +268 +00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:36,320 +oh my God Quest three Vision Pro I like + +269 +00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:39,279 +walking in the Vision Pro + +270 +00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:42,279 +that's pass through is definitely better + +271 +00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:44,519 +in The Vision Pro and he mentions the + +272 +00:09:42,279 --> 00:09:46,399 +motion blur while moving around probably + +273 +00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:48,720 +more laterally and you do notice this + +274 +00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:50,519 +especially cuz I think if in Vision Pro + +275 +00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,920 +you stare at one thing and then move + +276 +00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:52,920 +your head you'll notice it gets blurry + +277 +00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,360 +while you're moving your head and then + +278 +00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,560 +you stop moving and it sharpens up and I + +279 +00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,640 +don't think that that's a normal + +280 +00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:00,079 +behavior most of the time in Vision Pro + +281 +00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,399 +you're Focus on the thing in front of + +282 +00:10:00,079 --> 00:10:03,640 +you while you move around and I don't + +283 +00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:06,399 +think I've noticed any difficult motion + +284 +00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,600 +blur in that he also used the word + +285 +00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:11,240 +crisper interesting choice of words yeah + +286 +00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,760 +because he's doing Gene editing ah good + +287 +00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,760 +one good one that was good no it's it's + +288 +00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:19,079 +he thinks it's crisper wall moving her + +289 +00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:21,959 +head but the pixel density of the Vision + +290 +00:10:19,079 --> 00:10:24,000 +Pro is dramatically higher so crisper + +291 +00:10:21,959 --> 00:10:27,480 +while moving versus crisper in general + +292 +00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,560 +is a is a bit fuzzy bit + +293 +00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,720 +fuzzy nice + +294 +00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:35,240 +nice resolution and and that's that's + +295 +00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,240 +really nice but I was surprised by how + +296 +00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,839 +many tradeoffs they had to make to the + +297 +00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,360 +quality of the device and the comfort + +298 +00:10:38,839 --> 00:10:42,920 +and ergonomics um and other aspects of + +299 +00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,880 +the display and artifacts in order to + +300 +00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,480 +get to that now for input Quest supports + +301 +00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,000 +uh Precision controllers that are great + +302 +00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,079 +for games um both headsets support hand + +303 +00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:55,200 +tracking but you know I found ours to be + +304 +00:10:52,079 --> 00:10:58,720 +a little more accurate + +305 +00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:02,120 +pause pause okay here's oh sorry no you + +306 +00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:04,519 +go okay okay the controllers on Quest + +307 +00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,959 +are great yes and they are better for + +308 +00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:08,600 +gaming than anything you can do on the + +309 +00:11:05,959 --> 00:11:10,480 +Vision Pro and Vision Pro should have a + +310 +00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,720 +controller option it would be nice if + +311 +00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,120 +you could have a I mean you can use like + +312 +00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,519 +a game controller but it would be nice + +313 +00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,160 +if you could use like a pointer + +314 +00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:22,360 +controller whatever for games that being + +315 +00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:25,120 +said the hand selection of things in + +316 +00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:27,000 +quest is not even close to as good for + +317 +00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,440 +regular moving around the UI as The + +318 +00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,120 +Vision Pro it's just not definitely not + +319 +00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,320 +as good um that being said with Quest + +320 +00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,720 +you're usually just holding the + +321 +00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,920 +controllers and so that Precision is + +322 +00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,279 +really really great and if you just get + +323 +00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,040 +used the controllers you never have to + +324 +00:11:38,279 --> 00:11:42,120 +worry about the wonkiness of like trying + +325 +00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,880 +to grab a window and move stuff but I + +326 +00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,959 +think the intuitiveness of Apple's eye + +327 +00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,160 +tracking combined with how good and how + +328 +00:11:45,959 --> 00:11:50,680 +wide of an area it can pick up just the + +329 +00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,200 +pinching is fantastic so I would say + +330 +00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:54,519 +it's just apples and oranges like + +331 +00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,320 +controllers on one really good there are + +332 +00:11:54,519 --> 00:11:57,880 +no controllers on the other but the eye + +333 +00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,880 +control and hand control is really good + +334 +00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,200 +on that and going to get way better + +335 +00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:04,320 +gaming out of controllers and way better + +336 +00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,000 +UI and intuitiveness out of the other I + +337 +00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,600 +think that's what like sort of split it + +338 +00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,480 +down to yeah I agree is someone who has + +339 +00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,760 +like a quest workflow where I like I + +340 +00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,079 +leave it charging on my desk and never + +341 +00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,000 +use the controllers like the controllers + +342 +00:12:13,079 --> 00:12:17,519 +are in a drawer just pull it on the + +343 +00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:20,839 +first 35 to seconds to a minute is just + +344 +00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:23,600 +me looking at my hands going see them + +345 +00:12:20,839 --> 00:12:25,320 +see them but again that's Quest Pro + +346 +00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,639 +right no it's three it's both it's both + +347 +00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,440 +quests I didn't really feel like that + +348 +00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:31,160 +the hand tracking got better once it + +349 +00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,920 +finds your hands on three but even still + +350 +00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:38,199 +you're like no I'm aiming here + +351 +00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:40,360 +no thing is not good click up one more + +352 +00:12:38,199 --> 00:12:41,959 +xing out of Windows is like I hit I + +353 +00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,160 +highlight the X and then I do this and + +354 +00:12:41,959 --> 00:12:45,600 +it like it twitches and it misses the X + +355 +00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,440 +and I try to hit it like over and over + +356 +00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,800 +and it's crazy and maybe it Boots the + +357 +00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:52,320 +hand tracking like program a little bit + +358 +00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,680 +after turning on because it assumes + +359 +00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,399 +you're going to use the controllers but + +360 +00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:57,839 +every time I'm like see them yet and + +361 +00:12:56,399 --> 00:13:01,279 +it's like no bro you're + +362 +00:12:57,839 --> 00:13:03,519 +armless so I kind of think he's being + +363 +00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:06,160 +strategic in what he's saying there and + +364 +00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:09,600 +his hand tracking is like he he is about + +365 +00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:11,720 +to mention ey tracking and I feel like + +366 +00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,560 +comparing the ey tracking with the pinch + +367 +00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,079 +isn't hand tracking for the Vision Pro + +368 +00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:17,680 +it's just like you're just using the + +369 +00:13:16,079 --> 00:13:20,160 +pinch at that point and the eye tracking + +370 +00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:24,000 +is far better than any cu the + +371 +00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:27,480 +quest like pinch and like point is + +372 +00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,920 +horrible it's so bad and I don't think + +373 +00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,160 +that's what he's I don't know it's very + +374 +00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,600 +confusing how he's saying this I think + +375 +00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,240 +he's just trying to say something about + +376 +00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,360 +like hand tracking and being like how + +377 +00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,360 +good it sees your hands and shows them + +378 +00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,880 +in a space because that pinching thing + +379 +00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,000 +is terrible and eye tracking is + +380 +00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,760 +different because it's tracking your + +381 +00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,079 +eyes and all it's using your hands for + +382 +00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,680 +is the pinching yeah that's true he + +383 +00:13:45,079 --> 00:13:49,160 +could he could argue that it's more + +384 +00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:50,240 +advanced I it's a strategic word that + +385 +00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:55,399 +he's + +386 +00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:57,639 +using but the the quest has to know more + +387 +00:13:55,399 --> 00:14:00,440 +gestures right because you have the menu + +388 +00:13:57,639 --> 00:14:03,360 +open pinch and the select pinch and the + +389 +00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,759 +wrist turn and yeah so it's not like + +390 +00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,639 +they're not make trying to make a + +391 +00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:10,199 +serious hand tracking thing I would use + +392 +00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:13,000 +the controllers 100% of the time with + +393 +00:14:10,199 --> 00:14:14,920 +the quest with the quest totally yeah + +394 +00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,839 +yeah shall we continue let's keep going + +395 +00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,240 +Apple's eye tracking is really nice um + +396 +00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:21,079 +we actually had those sensors back in + +397 +00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,040 +quest Pro we took them out for Quest 3 + +398 +00:14:21,079 --> 00:14:24,680 +and we're going to bring them back in + +399 +00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,920 +the future that was interesting that was + +400 +00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:29,160 +like a um what do they call it when you + +401 +00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:32,440 +complement someone but underhanded + +402 +00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,680 +underhanded I a compliment sandwich + +403 +00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:38,000 +right or like yeah it's like it's good + +404 +00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,320 +um we actually had that years ago um and + +405 +00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,959 +we're going to bring it back once we + +406 +00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,519 +think it is actually a good feature wait + +407 +00:14:41,959 --> 00:14:45,040 +Those sensors are in the quest Pro + +408 +00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:47,079 +though yeah they have they have ey + +409 +00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,160 +trackers in the quest Pro wow I didn't + +410 +00:14:47,079 --> 00:14:49,440 +even know that that's part of the reason + +411 +00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,000 +it was so expensive actually but you + +412 +00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,399 +again have controllers that you use most + +413 +00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,199 +of the time and and end up not using + +414 +00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:57,680 +like the fundamental thing about Vision + +415 +00:14:55,199 --> 00:15:00,279 +Pro is it doesn't it doesn't come with + +416 +00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,399 +controllers so you have to rely on the + +417 +00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:04,600 +eye tracking being good all the time for + +418 +00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:07,320 +everything you do in everything yeah + +419 +00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,440 +which is different from Quest yeah but + +420 +00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,040 +they're bringing it back they're + +421 +00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,680 +bringing it back in the future I wonder + +422 +00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,399 +why just like how they brought uh color + +423 +00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,240 +pass through mixed reality to the quest + +424 +00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:19,560 +three right before the Vision Pro came + +425 +00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,360 +out fascinating yeah I feel like the the + +426 +00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,519 +eye tracking and pinching is like the + +427 +00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:26,839 +far more intuitive non-roller way of + +428 +00:15:23,519 --> 00:15:29,000 +doing it um it is extremely frustrating + +429 +00:15:26,839 --> 00:15:30,639 +when it like doesn't work because you + +430 +00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,279 +just feel like you're using T trying to + +431 +00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:34,680 +use like telekinesis by sitting there + +432 +00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:37,079 +and you're like I can't get this to go + +433 +00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,319 +up a little higher and you start lifting + +434 +00:15:37,079 --> 00:15:40,120 +your head and there have been times + +435 +00:15:38,319 --> 00:15:42,160 +where I've just stood up to walk to the + +436 +00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,360 +window that I have like in front of me + +437 +00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,519 +and like just press it with my finger + +438 +00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,079 +good thing super frustrating though to + +439 +00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:51,240 +do I think also and not to drag on too + +440 +00:15:49,079 --> 00:15:53,079 +long this kind of goes a little bit more + +441 +00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,600 +to like we keep doing the pH + +442 +00:15:53,079 --> 00:15:56,839 +philosophical thing where like what do + +443 +00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,839 +we want the future to be and I think in + +444 +00:15:56,839 --> 00:16:02,199 +like a 20 year however long future you + +445 +00:15:59,839 --> 00:16:03,920 +put on the glasses or whatever and just + +446 +00:16:02,199 --> 00:16:06,000 +start using things without a controller + +447 +00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:09,040 +you don't want to have to think about a + +448 +00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,480 +controller and for meta if you get + +449 +00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,399 +people so used to that Precision + +450 +00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:15,279 +controller I think you now have to + +451 +00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:17,440 +eventually find a hurdle where you get + +452 +00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:18,759 +rid of controllers and there has to be + +453 +00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,120 +this leaping off point where they're + +454 +00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:21,160 +like I know you guys have been using + +455 +00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,279 +these controllers and they've been + +456 +00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,399 +really really good for all these games + +457 +00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:25,680 +and all these experiences but every app + +458 +00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:27,240 +and everything that we do is going to + +459 +00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,560 +have to leap off of controllers to + +460 +00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,360 +graduate to this super lightweight + +461 +00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,360 +invisible mixed reality thing we want + +462 +00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,560 +you don't think they're always going to + +463 +00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,480 +have optional controllers for games cuz + +464 +00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,440 +I feel like it's a it's + +465 +00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,600 +better yeah maybe you always have + +466 +00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,959 +optional controllers but it's it's kind + +467 +00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,800 +of like what did you train your users to + +468 +00:16:41,959 --> 00:16:47,319 +do for the past decade mhm yeah I could + +469 +00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,399 +see them moving fully to hand tracking + +470 +00:16:47,319 --> 00:16:50,880 +and and eye tracking but I feel like + +471 +00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:53,600 +they're always going to lean into that + +472 +00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:56,440 +especially because they are a lot more + +473 +00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,880 +about the VR experiences like people buy + +474 +00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,120 +quests to play games people don't buy + +475 +00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,480 +Vision Pros to play games right because + +476 +00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,760 +you're not buying a Vision Pro for Fruit + +477 +00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,839 +Ninja you know so they have very + +478 +00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:10,319 +different use cases even though they use + +479 +00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:11,880 +fairly similar technology yeah agreed um + +480 +00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:13,400 +it's a nice interface it's not perfect + +481 +00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,559 +for everything though for typing or + +482 +00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,520 +complex tasks correct um you're going to + +483 +00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:20,119 +want uh things like hands or a keyboard + +484 +00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,679 +or controllers or eventually a neural + +485 +00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,400 +interface I like how he just casually + +486 +00:17:21,679 --> 00:17:25,079 +dropped you're probably going to want + +487 +00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,959 +like a I don't know a keyboard or like a + +488 +00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:30,039 +neural interface anyway yeah what he's + +489 +00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:31,720 +pretty much like oh this new like kind + +490 +00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,720 +of Revolution maybe not revolutionary + +491 +00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,960 +but the thing that Quest or Vision Pro + +492 +00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,240 +is really good at is the eye tracking + +493 +00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,520 +he's like this new thing it's like + +494 +00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,559 +pretty good but you know the old school + +495 +00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,760 +things are good like neural engine + +496 +00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:45,440 +neural interface neural interface it the + +497 +00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:49,320 +headset plugs into your + +498 +00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:51,400 +brain no not exactly directly but some + +499 +00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,760 +sort of it's funny because I agree with + +500 +00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,240 +him that for simple tasks the the eye + +501 +00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,280 +tracking and everything it's great but + +502 +00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,480 +the second you get to a complex task + +503 +00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,280 +yeah let's let's consider typing maybe a + +504 +00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,320 +more complex task then it's a little + +505 +00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,840 +more like okay do I look at the letters + +506 +00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,240 +or do I like type the thing in midair + +507 +00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,799 +it's a little cumbersome and clumsy and + +508 +00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,880 +for that I would just want to think of + +509 +00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:12,880 +the word and it shows up on the screen + +510 +00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,320 +like things like that you get a little + +511 +00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,039 +more futur looking and I'm sure they're + +512 +00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,720 +working on stuff like that but yeah just + +513 +00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:21,760 +casually drop that in there is kind like + +514 +00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,880 +so wait so he is talking about plugging + +515 +00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,000 +into your brain I don't know if that's + +516 +00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,679 +exactly what that means or if they're + +517 +00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,840 +cuz in in the Vision Pro you have Sira + +518 +00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:31,440 +and you just say the word so you looked + +519 +00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,000 +at the you looked at the text field and + +520 +00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,240 +just say a word and it shows up okay and + +521 +00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:39,159 +that's you know that's not a neural + +522 +00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,679 +interface but it feels like one and + +523 +00:18:39,159 --> 00:18:42,640 +what's two steps further down that line + +524 +00:18:40,679 --> 00:18:45,960 +for for meta is it just have like + +525 +00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:48,200 +wearing a certain like headand Electro + +526 +00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,120 +detector thing on your on your forehead + +527 +00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:53,240 +I don't know I don't want met KN all my + +528 +00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:55,159 +thoughts I can't even type with my eyes + +529 +00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,720 +imagine trying to focus so hard to only + +530 +00:18:55,159 --> 00:18:58,919 +think of the word you're trying to say + +531 +00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,400 +and anything else + +532 +00:18:58,919 --> 00:19:03,919 +also not think of an this is this is + +533 +00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:07,080 +meta like I don't want my inner thoughts + +534 +00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:09,320 +scraped for Advertiser data oh they will + +535 +00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,080 +they will you were thinking about hot + +536 +00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:15,000 +dogs a + +537 +00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:17,679 +lot a lot like all day so we showed you + +538 +00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:20,200 +a few ads when you bought them yeah yeah + +539 +00:19:17,679 --> 00:19:24,360 +interesting I I agree with what he's + +540 +00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:26,840 +saying I just don't know how to get to + +541 +00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:29,400 +that future yeah it's weird I do agree + +542 +00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,360 +that using the environment and having it + +543 +00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,600 +make your keyboard go away is really + +544 +00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:35,120 +stupid yeah I mentioned that yeah in the + +545 +00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,000 +video yeah especially if you're like + +546 +00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:40,000 +using your Mac display and you're + +547 +00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,559 +mirroring it and then but then you tune + +548 +00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,880 +yourself into an environment and you + +549 +00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:46,600 +just have to touch type like you can't + +550 +00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:48,799 +see is that insane your Mac monitor is + +551 +00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,960 +floating in the air and that's one thing + +552 +00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:53,520 +I really like about the meta remote + +553 +00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:56,200 +desktop application is you can place a + +554 +00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,840 +cutout on your desk for all of your + +555 +00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,880 +controllers so like I have all my macro + +556 +00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,919 +buttons my keyboard my trackpad and so I + +557 +00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:04,159 +can like physically look I'm a big macro + +558 +00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:05,760 +button guys but it's really awesome + +559 +00:20:04,159 --> 00:20:07,520 +that's why I have a quest workflow you + +560 +00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,200 +know what I mean cuz it actually as much + +561 +00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,520 +as it sucks and is hot and hurts your + +562 +00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,559 +eyes and and and reads your thoughts or + +563 +00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,320 +whatever it does actually work like at + +564 +00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:18,400 +the end of the day ites it does work + +565 +00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,039 +yeah I kind of I just also want to point + +566 +00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,600 +out that at the end of every time Ellis + +567 +00:20:20,039 --> 00:20:24,000 +does this he takes off the headset and + +568 +00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,840 +he's like I got to go for a + +569 +00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,360 +walk I've been on Mars for 24 minutes + +570 +00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:32,880 +it's so real yeah I I did mention in the + +571 +00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:35,080 +video but like if Apple can do this and + +572 +00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,360 +this and recognize your hands and pass + +573 +00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:40,360 +through then surely I should be able to + +574 +00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:42,360 +do this and sorry audio listeners I'm + +575 +00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:43,799 +like holding up my hands and that's how + +576 +00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:45,280 +you detect your hands and they work in + +577 +00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:47,440 +pass through surely I can hold up a + +578 +00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,640 +keyboard or just recognizes a keyboard + +579 +00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,760 +yeah if it can recognize a MacBook Pro + +580 +00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,440 +display and know how to automatically + +581 +00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,720 +lift that out of the screen it should be + +582 +00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:59,320 +able to do like semantic segmentation + +583 +00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:01,280 +and know where your keyboard is can do + +584 +00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,520 +with supported keyboards uh like the + +585 +00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:07,000 +Logitech MX series keyboards MX + +586 +00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,880 +Mechanicals if you tell the quest that + +587 +00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,120 +you're using one of those it will scan + +588 +00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,240 +it and then fully do a 3D render oh + +589 +00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:15,000 +really yeah wow yeah all right it + +590 +00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,159 +doesn't work + +591 +00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,520 +that I mean maybe it works now when I + +592 +00:21:17,159 --> 00:21:20,919 +was trying to do it I couldn't get it to + +593 +00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,960 +work man I even think like but it's in + +594 +00:21:20,919 --> 00:21:24,520 +the menu yeah I think with I think it + +595 +00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,000 +should be even more advanced with like + +596 +00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,400 +you you looked at my hands and you know + +597 +00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,360 +what hands generally look like so then + +598 +00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,760 +you able to figure out in my hands I + +599 +00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:32,640 +think you should know what keyboards + +600 +00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,480 +generally look like because the layout's + +601 +00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,960 +the same mostly every time and then you + +602 +00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,240 +have function keys at the top wait I'm + +603 +00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,840 +and you can just you can't use the + +604 +00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,080 +keyboard at all it's not that you can't + +605 +00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,919 +see it use it you just can't see it you + +606 +00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,080 +can't see it oh just learn how of touch + +607 +00:21:42,919 --> 00:21:47,039 +type well you can but if you were doing + +608 +00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:50,240 +this and then you were missing your + +609 +00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:52,720 +keyboard you have to find your keyboard + +610 +00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,679 +again but there's something about having + +611 +00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:58,520 +my peripheral vision see my hands typing + +612 +00:21:55,679 --> 00:22:01,520 +on something and that being link to what + +613 +00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:04,080 +I'm feeling by pressing on buttons that + +614 +00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:06,559 +is comforting I'm not saying that I + +615 +00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,679 +don't touch I don't touch type I know + +616 +00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:11,159 +how to type I just like something about + +617 +00:22:08,679 --> 00:22:13,080 +my peripheral vision telling my brain + +618 +00:22:11,159 --> 00:22:15,559 +yes you are typing while feeling the + +619 +00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,480 +thing is beneficial I'm most I'm mostly + +620 +00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,679 +joking I'm mostly joking but yes I agree + +621 +00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,679 +to whatever challenge you're about to + +622 +00:22:18,679 --> 00:22:24,039 +ask side note try and get a high monkey + +623 +00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:25,480 +type on the Vision Pro I think I got + +624 +00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:28,559 +like + +625 +00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:32,000 +56 how are you eyeball poking + +626 +00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:34,360 +yeah poking poking single fingers 30 + +627 +00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,480 +seconds on monkey type I got to like 52 + +628 +00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:38,919 +or 56 were you like inches from it like + +629 +00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,000 +just dude I sat I sat in it for an hour + +630 +00:22:38,919 --> 00:22:43,440 +trying to do it so that just sounds like + +631 +00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:46,400 +beat saber at a certain point a CS way + +632 +00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:49,679 +more frustrating and way less fun that + +633 +00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,200 +is tough Quest immersive Content Library + +634 +00:22:49,679 --> 00:22:53,600 +is a lot deeper you know we've been + +635 +00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,200 +working with Studios uh building virtual + +636 +00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,520 +and mixed reality games and other + +637 +00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:00,080 +content for a long time now and if you + +638 +00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,080 +want to watch YouTube or play Xbox on a + +639 +00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,200 +big screen anywhere you go uh that's + +640 +00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,559 +only available on Quest for now okay so + +641 +00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,919 +wait I'm very interested specific + +642 +00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:12,159 +wording very specific wording did you + +643 +00:23:08,919 --> 00:23:14,720 +watch his video yeah so it shows he + +644 +00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:16,960 +shows these immersive videos that he's + +645 +00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,799 +watching or whatever and they just do + +646 +00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,320 +not feel immersive compared to + +647 +00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:23,400 +everything you watch in The Vision Pro I + +648 +00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:25,000 +think like the term immersive is I mean + +649 +00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,240 +he's saying there's a he's basically + +650 +00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,200 +saying there's a lot of VR yeah he says + +651 +00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:33,320 +the immersive Content Library is deeper + +652 +00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,760 +because Quest 3 and Quest 2 and they've + +653 +00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,640 +been around for a while and they've + +654 +00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,400 +partnered with tons of studios and all + +655 +00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:42,240 +this stuff so yes they have a much much + +656 +00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,440 +larger collection of things to do in VR + +657 +00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:48,720 +and immersive experiences of + +658 +00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:50,840 +course but is it as good as the + +659 +00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,960 +extremely small number of the ones that + +660 +00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:56,880 +we've seen on Vision Pro no I think you + +661 +00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:59,440 +guys are using immersive as hyper + +662 +00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,760 +realistic and I don't I don't know if I + +663 +00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,120 +fully agree as that being the definition + +664 +00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:07,600 +for mer I think that just refers to a a + +665 +00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:09,600 +a type of media which is this is fully + +666 +00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,960 +in the XYZ space around you whether it's + +667 +00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,559 +full VR or mixed reality it's just they + +668 +00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,480 +have they have all these experiences and + +669 +00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:15,600 +if you watch the video there's one + +670 +00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,279 +that's mixed reality like something + +671 +00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,520 +coming out of the wall and there's also + +672 +00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:22,520 +obviously VR experiences and Quest pro + +673 +00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,679 +has tons of this stuff so yes the + +674 +00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,360 +library which is what he's saying is way + +675 +00:24:24,679 --> 00:24:29,240 +bigger so the amount of stuff you can do + +676 +00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:31,240 +is way bigger this feels like Android + +677 +00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,640 +and iOS all over again like the The + +678 +00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,279 +Vision Pro is like you can't do nearly + +679 +00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,799 +as much but you could argue that the + +680 +00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:41,720 +Fidelity and the tracking and how well + +681 +00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:43,559 +things stay spatially locked are and the + +682 +00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,080 +media especially the videos that the + +683 +00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:48,360 +like four videos that exist that were + +684 +00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,799 +shop for Vision Pro look better by a + +685 +00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:51,799 +mile than anything I've seen through a + +686 +00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:54,360 +quest headset so I'm like H do you want + +687 +00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:56,520 +more or better I think the big thing is + +688 +00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:59,559 +like the the immersive video on the + +689 +00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:02,880 +quest kind of just feels like 2D video + +690 +00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:07,080 +that is around you whereas The Vision + +691 +00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:09,559 +Pro videos feel more 3 like feel more + +692 +00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,880 +volumetric he said immersive experiences + +693 +00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:14,480 +right not immersive vide yeah yeah but + +694 +00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:17,200 +he shows a video on screen when he says + +695 +00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,960 +that okay yeah I guess my argument was + +696 +00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,200 +immersive experiences is very obviously + +697 +00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,880 +true just be a VR game yeah and I would + +698 +00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,440 +argue that it's more immersive and more + +699 +00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,360 +VR game and then there's a watching a + +700 +00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,880 +fight + +701 +00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:33,440 +from the corner of the Octagon so it's + +702 +00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,480 +like this content this doesn't exist for + +703 +00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,640 +2D video stream though that's all that + +704 +00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,120 +looks like it looks bad but it exists + +705 +00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,640 +yeah and I wish you could do this in + +706 +00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:44,200 +Vision Pro but you can't they marketed + +707 +00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,880 +you could do that in Vision Vision Pro + +708 +00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,640 +they Market as of right now he's + +709 +00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,600 +specifically using that language of our + +710 +00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,880 +Content Library is deeper correct I + +711 +00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,279 +agree with the exact words that Zuck + +712 +00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,480 +used in this video I'll put it that way + +713 +00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:59,039 +I would argue the experiences in quest 3 + +714 +00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,480 +are more immersive + +715 +00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,679 +more immersive it depends on what + +716 +00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,799 +experiences you I mean like in the sense + +717 +00:26:02,679 --> 00:26:06,320 +of I'm in a position where like I've + +718 +00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,440 +thought I could lean on things that + +719 +00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,919 +weren't there and like it just feels + +720 +00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,039 +like you're in something where you're + +721 +00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:13,480 +not actually there like even like + +722 +00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:16,120 +Graphics aren't the only thing I've + +723 +00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:19,760 +played super hot which is like the most + +724 +00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:22,279 +like Bor not boring but like simple + +725 +00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,480 +polygons and I've fallen over because + +726 +00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:26,200 +I've tried to touch things in the actual + +727 +00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,080 +thing like I would argue that's + +728 +00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,080 +extremely immersive think I know where + +729 +00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,159 +you're going which is and I I didn't + +730 +00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,120 +really talk about it as much as I want + +731 +00:26:31,159 --> 00:26:36,320 +to in the last video but the only really + +732 +00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:38,520 +fully immersive things in Vision Pro are + +733 +00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,600 +the environments which are like the five + +734 +00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:45,399 +or whatever that you can do and the play + +735 +00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:47,720 +area of that world is very small yeah so + +736 +00:26:45,399 --> 00:26:49,360 +you can't really move around cuz you + +737 +00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,000 +didn't like draw your play area on the + +738 +00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,320 +ground or whatever it sort of puts it + +739 +00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,120 +around you and you can take like two + +740 +00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,039 +steps in each Direction before it breaks + +741 +00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:59,799 +and you're out of it and in super hot if + +742 +00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:01,760 +you have a huge play area you can like + +743 +00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:03,960 +walk across the room and get and Crouch + +744 +00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,200 +down behind a thing and it will look + +745 +00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,159 +like you walked across the room and + +746 +00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,720 +Crouch down behind a box and none of + +747 +00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:11,840 +that exists on Vision Pro so in that way + +748 +00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:15,640 +the quest experience is more immersive + +749 +00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:17,720 +because you have more play area but if I + +750 +00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,000 +just stand in place and look at a + +751 +00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,240 +character there's no question The Vision + +752 +00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,240 +Pro looks more realistic just in the + +753 +00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,240 +like four envir like standing on the + +754 +00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,080 +moon or Mount Hood for example and just + +755 +00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,640 +looking out and hearing everything and + +756 +00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,240 +seeing everything and how well my head + +757 +00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:35,760 +tracks and how how detailed the textures + +758 +00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,120 +are that part Advantage Vision Pro so + +759 +00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,799 +there are different things that make + +760 +00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,760 +certain experiences more or less + +761 +00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:42,159 +immersive and the play area is a big one + +762 +00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,640 +I think there are other things we just + +763 +00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:46,000 +haven't experienced in quest Pro that + +764 +00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,240 +are like cuz I remember on our Vive + +765 +00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,799 +there was like being on top of a + +766 +00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,760 +mountain and it's just like super high + +767 +00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,320 +quality you're standing on top of a + +768 +00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,240 +mountain and can move to different areas + +769 +00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,720 +very similar to Vision Pro environments + +770 +00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,240 +yes so I think we just haven't + +771 +00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:02,159 +experienced enough of it cuz I'm sure + +772 +00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:06,159 +Quest has plenty of 3D environments you + +773 +00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:07,399 +can sit in like they don't look as good + +774 +00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,159 +yeah but I I kind of agree with you + +775 +00:28:07,399 --> 00:28:11,000 +Andrew like just on the fact that like + +776 +00:28:09,159 --> 00:28:12,720 +super hot is immersive not because it + +777 +00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,440 +looks good but because it's responsive + +778 +00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,440 +and fast and like it just it makes sense + +779 +00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,000 +to your brain you know what I mean uh + +780 +00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,480 +yeah it's immersive I get what you're + +781 +00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:24,039 +saying yeah I think a big part of that + +782 +00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:27,080 +too is just that the vision proos um + +783 +00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:29,000 +resolution is so much High yeah it's not + +784 +00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,760 +brighter + +785 +00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,320 +yeah which I wouldn't even really notice + +786 +00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,440 +because it feels bright enough to me you + +787 +00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,600 +know when I look around it it seems like + +788 +00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,880 +there were a lot of people who just + +789 +00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,559 +assumed that Vision Pro would be higher + +790 +00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:45,159 +quality because it's apple and it costs + +791 +00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:47,000 +$3,000 more but you know honestly I'm + +792 +00:28:45,159 --> 00:28:49,240 +pretty surprised that Quest is so much + +793 +00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,360 +better for the vast majority of things + +794 +00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,240 +that people use these headsets for with + +795 +00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,880 +that price differential now look I know + +796 +00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,399 +that you know some Fanboys get upset + +797 +00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,399 +whenever anyone dares to + +798 +00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,720 +but the reality is is that every + +799 +00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:07,440 +generation of computing has an open and + +800 +00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,720 +a closed model and yeah in Mobile + +801 +00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,799 +Apple's closed model one but it's not + +802 +00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,080 +always that way if you go back to the PC + +803 +00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:16,919 +era Microsoft's open model was the + +804 +00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,000 +winner and in this next Generation meta + +805 +00:29:16,919 --> 00:29:20,279 +is going to be the open model and I + +806 +00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,640 +really want to make sure that the open + +807 +00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:26,320 +model wins out again the future is not + +808 +00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:29,399 +yet written so you + +809 +00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:32,200 +I looking out for us man he's he's a he + +810 +00:29:29,399 --> 00:29:35,159 +wakes up he brushes the Macadamia dust + +811 +00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,120 +off of his hoodie he he walks out in his + +812 +00:29:35,159 --> 00:29:40,120 +yard he's just a normal guy man one + +813 +00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,399 +thing in there that I was when I was + +814 +00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,760 +listening to this that I was thinking of + +815 +00:29:41,399 --> 00:29:45,840 +he was like a lot of the Fanboys will be + +816 +00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,679 +upset about this and I was like what + +817 +00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,080 +about the Facebook fan boy oh oh is he + +818 +00:29:48,679 --> 00:29:52,360 +like the only company that doesn't have + +819 +00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,640 +a bunch of Fanboys behind definitely + +820 +00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,880 +like meta Quest Fanboys for sure and I + +821 +00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,320 +don't want to say Fanboys just people + +822 +00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,519 +that defend end the company to the + +823 +00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,320 +they're just not as notorious as the + +824 +00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:02,760 +other Fanboy talking about they're just + +825 +00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,440 +not as numerous because it's a much more + +826 +00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,919 +Niche product sure yeah I like the quest + +827 +00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,200 +a lot yeah like it's a really good + +828 +00:30:06,919 --> 00:30:11,200 +product yeah for sure I don't know I + +829 +00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,279 +wonder if the fans there are more like I + +830 +00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,640 +want to use this to directly compare to + +831 +00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:18,799 +Apple because I dislike apple or they're + +832 +00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,440 +like hardcore Quest fans here's a way of + +833 +00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:23,279 +looking at it if you've been using a + +834 +00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,679 +quest for like a year and the Vision Pro + +835 +00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,279 +comes out and you look at that app store + +836 +00:30:24,679 --> 00:30:27,760 +and what it does there is no reason to + +837 +00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:29,720 +switch to the Vision Pro + +838 +00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,360 +and if you're Zuck that's what just + +839 +00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,840 +happened and you're like I'm shocked + +840 +00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,240 +that there's no reason for anyone who's + +841 +00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,679 +had a quest to even consider that + +842 +00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,919 +$33,000 thing Apple came out with no + +843 +00:30:38,679 --> 00:30:42,360 +great games way less Content Library + +844 +00:30:40,919 --> 00:30:43,720 +like no Partnerships like we have like + +845 +00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,120 +we've been doing this we got controllers + +846 +00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,960 +we got all this stuff and like why would + +847 +00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,720 +I get a Vision Pro the quest 3 does all + +848 +00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,760 +this stuff so that's from that + +849 +00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,080 +perspective makes perfect sense cuz the + +850 +00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,399 +Vision Pro went quasi mainstream whereas + +851 +00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,880 +the quest has never there's people + +852 +00:30:55,399 --> 00:30:58,519 +who've been playing yeah beat saber + +853 +00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,799 +games whatever they they're like none of + +854 +00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:01,799 +this stuff is in the vision this also + +855 +00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:03,360 +not at all dissimilar to like when a + +856 +00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:05,440 +Nexus phone would have something for + +857 +00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,679 +like 4 years and then Apple would put it + +858 +00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,000 +in iOS and all of the Android people + +859 +00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:11,720 +would say we've had this for five years + +860 +00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,840 +you guys are getting haed keyboards in + +861 +00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,840 +2023 a lot of the times Apple would make + +862 +00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,760 +it more polished or they would do it + +863 +00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,760 +like in a way that um people who are not + +864 +00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,880 +willing to put up with the evolution of + +865 +00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,960 +Technology would be okay with yeah um + +866 +00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,919 +but they did have it for a long time + +867 +00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,880 +before yeah yeah so it's kind of the + +868 +00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:32,799 +same same deal and I also would I would + +869 +00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,559 +disagree with his statement that Apple + +870 +00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:38,799 +won the open versus closed interface War + +871 +00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:40,440 +cuz like yes they're debatable generally + +872 +00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,440 +more popular in the United States but + +873 +00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,960 +globally Android phones are like vastly + +874 +00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,440 +more popular I would also argue that in + +875 +00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:49,559 +the long run Apple sort of did win the + +876 +00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,799 +PC War like OB if you're a hospital + +877 +00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:54,519 +you're going to fill your business with + +878 +00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:56,720 +P A lot of people have + +879 +00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:59,000 +PCS he definitely oversimplified a + +880 +00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,840 +little I don't know yeah it's + +881 +00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,440 +competitive but I think in general he's + +882 +00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,399 +trying to paint a very broad picture of + +883 +00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,840 +how he wants this to go yeah can you + +884 +00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:09,960 +replay the start of that one more time + +885 +00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,760 +there's something very specific he said + +886 +00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,080 +priz is that Quest is so much better for + +887 +00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,159 +the vast majority of things that people + +888 +00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,720 +use these headsets for with that price + +889 +00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:19,799 +differential that now look I know I + +890 +00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,840 +think it's really funny that he says + +891 +00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:24,000 +like it's so much better for what people + +892 +00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,919 +use these headsets for cuz we've been + +893 +00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,720 +making the headsets for years and The + +894 +00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:29,200 +Vision Pro has been out for like + +895 +00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,080 +also because they bought all the studios + +896 +00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,039 +that make the content yeah what people + +897 +00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,120 +use these headsets for is what quest + +898 +00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:37,080 +users have already been doing and so yes + +899 +00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,519 +of course because this is what we + +900 +00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,559 +offered them well in in in Mark's + +901 +00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:44,639 +defense it's like one of the reasons I + +902 +00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:46,000 +have not been jumping at the bit to use + +903 +00:32:44,639 --> 00:32:47,440 +Vision Pro in the same way that I use + +904 +00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,840 +Quest is literally because of a small + +905 +00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,639 +little feature because I can't have + +906 +00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,480 +multiple Remote Desktop Windows MH like + +907 +00:32:51,639 --> 00:32:55,679 +that that that's a that's a a product + +908 +00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:59,039 +killer for my specific use case so he is + +909 +00:32:55,679 --> 00:32:59,039 +right he's like for the people + +910 +00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,399 +it's a bummer that you basically if you + +911 +00:33:01,399 --> 00:33:06,120 +want to have multiple windows open you + +912 +00:33:03,399 --> 00:33:08,440 +have to use Safari in The Vision Pro you + +913 +00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,200 +have to that's what's that that is like + +914 +00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,000 +a very very opaque version of Apple's + +915 +00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,200 +like wal Garden play is we're not going + +916 +00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,639 +to let you just use whatever browser you + +917 +00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,360 +want if you want to have the best + +918 +00:33:17,639 --> 00:33:21,840 +experience you got to use Safari and + +919 +00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,200 +we're going to associate multiple safari + +920 +00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,960 +windows with the best experience yeah no + +921 +00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,039 +but you can have multiple apps open at + +922 +00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,880 +one multiple windows of the same you + +923 +00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:33,639 +have multiple safari windows open as not + +924 +00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,159 +like can I have multiple instances of + +925 +00:33:33,639 --> 00:33:38,240 +the notes app yes okay thank you but you + +926 +00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:39,919 +cannot have the only thing you can't + +927 +00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,200 +have more than one of is virtual + +928 +00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:45,360 +displays for your Mac unfortunately yeah + +929 +00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,639 +fix it please and at least currently uh + +930 +00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,000 +no other browser companies make uh + +931 +00:33:47,639 --> 00:33:50,080 +Vision also I don't I don't think you + +932 +00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,279 +can actually have more than one Notes + +933 +00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,639 +app I think Safari is the one you can + +934 +00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:55,080 +have more than one instance so got it we + +935 +00:33:52,639 --> 00:33:56,760 +don't need to get into can you not it' + +936 +00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,840 +be it's it's crazy that they didn't just + +937 +00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,880 +put put you know like an an apple + +938 +00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,200 +silicon M series chip inside the Vision + +939 +00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,799 +Pro so that it could do these things oh + +940 +00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:09,520 +wait oh oh wait interesting yeah these + +941 +00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:11,399 +are intentional decisions anyway smaller + +942 +00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,599 +thermal head room anyway yeah that's + +943 +00:34:11,399 --> 00:34:15,320 +that's basically it our reaction to CEO + +944 +00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:17,359 +reviewing his own product is is always + +945 +00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,760 +fun yeah yeah Carl's been doing this for + +946 +00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:20,760 +a while now too I'm sure he's been + +947 +00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,960 +telling everyone yeah he reviewed the + +948 +00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,960 +iPhone in a to totally unbiased way + +949 +00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,280 +totally yeah and Mark didn't even go + +950 +00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,918 +through the trouble of dressing up as + +951 +00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,280 +Marquez + +952 +00:34:27,918 --> 00:34:34,000 +I'm I'm gonna need Tim Cook to record a + +953 +00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,399 +video response to this video he's too + +954 +00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,480 +busy chilling at the Super Bowl with + +955 +00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:41,719 +ludicrous showing the The Vision Pro he + +956 +00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:44,440 +do that see that see Tim Cook he's a + +957 +00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,839 +celebrity we can't relate to him Mark + +958 +00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,760 +it's just him and his cows also that's a + +959 +00:34:46,839 --> 00:34:51,119 +real guy Tim Cook when faced with + +960 +00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,520 +difficult questions doesn't try to + +961 +00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,839 +defend the product he just says buy your + +962 +00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,599 +mom an + +963 +00:34:54,839 --> 00:34:58,880 +iPhone oh you make the experience so bad + +964 +00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:02,000 +for me when I want to text my mom the + +965 +00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:06,040 +pictures don't come out good fire you + +966 +00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,599 +sound like a bad son exactly [ __ ] just + +967 +00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,560 +but he flips it on you he flips it on + +968 +00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:12,440 +you I think Apple's natural response + +969 +00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,359 +would be Vision Pro just came out give + +970 +00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,320 +it a second we have the best developer + +971 +00:35:14,359 --> 00:35:19,800 +community in the world four generations + +972 +00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,800 +we just went from 600 to a th000 apps in + +973 +00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,520 +the app store for Vision Pro like we're + +974 +00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,240 +generation one here I think that's what + +975 +00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,520 +their natural inclination would be and + +976 +00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:30,960 +that's also totally fair response so I + +977 +00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,560 +think ultimately meta is so happy The + +978 +00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,720 +Vision Pro exists for so many reasons + +979 +00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,200 +because they're going to sell so many + +980 +00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,720 +Quest Pros for people who are interested + +981 +00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,560 +in a similar experience but don't want + +982 +00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,119 +to pay + +983 +00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,640 +$3,500 yeah they're excited that people + +984 +00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:45,040 +are going to start investing in the + +985 +00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,640 +mixed reality space which tangentially + +986 +00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,560 +means they're going to be investing in + +987 +00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,200 +quest content they can buy the + +988 +00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,800 +studio yeah yeah I think I think for + +989 +00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:57,160 +them it's like a win-win yeah so I think + +990 +00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,480 +yeah they definitely want mix AR VR any + +991 +00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,440 +type of headset to be more popular and + +992 +00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,040 +that's what Apple does well M they do + +993 +00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,560 +make things popular like ear sticks that + +994 +00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,760 +come out of your ears and I don't know + +995 +00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,240 +you guys remember the first generation + +996 +00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,160 +of airpods yeah I I lived in San + +997 +00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:12,520 +Francisco when that happened and all of + +998 +00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,319 +a sudden everyone was walking around + +999 +00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,560 +with these like these like antennas + +1000 +00:36:14,319 --> 00:36:18,720 +coming out of their ears and I was like + +1001 +00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:21,520 +this looks so dumb oh my God and I was + +1002 +00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:25,280 +laughing at people for months now it's + +1003 +00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:27,240 +just completely normal yeah so I do get + +1004 +00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,079 +asked a lot what do I think is the + +1005 +00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:32,880 +future of media like we've been doing + +1006 +00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:35,599 +this whole 2D YouTube video thing for a + +1007 +00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,240 +while and the natural inclination is + +1008 +00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:39,520 +yeah the future would be an immersive + +1009 +00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:41,280 +video the future would be I hold the + +1010 +00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,000 +video in I hold the phone in my hand and + +1011 +00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,240 +you can see it like it's in your hand + +1012 +00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,680 +and you can look around and that feels + +1013 +00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:50,079 +like that's the future we're barreling + +1014 +00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,800 +towards I just don't know how far along + +1015 +00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,319 +that line we are yet I also don't know + +1016 +00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,480 +if it's actually going to work out that + +1017 +00:36:53,319 --> 00:36:59,280 +way + +1018 +00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:02,400 +mkb 3D well so also HD still so I used + +1019 +00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,280 +to to run a VR website back in the day + +1020 +00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,760 +uh not run but I wrote like 90% of the + +1021 +00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,720 +articles for it uh called VR source and + +1022 +00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,920 +I started going to Oculus connect at the + +1023 +00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:14,800 +first Oculus connect forward and at that + +1024 +00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,119 +time they were in they were like + +1025 +00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:21,000 +partnering with all these Studios to + +1026 +00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:22,560 +make these like 3D short films so it was + +1027 +00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,560 +the way a normal movie works is they + +1028 +00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,720 +direct your attention to drive the story + +1029 +00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,960 +but in that circumstance they kind of + +1030 +00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:31,440 +need to have multiple story lines going + +1031 +00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,480 +on at the same time so you can pay + +1032 +00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,720 +attention to one thing watch it again + +1033 +00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,400 +kind of look over here and pay attention + +1034 +00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,720 +to another thing notice more things and + +1035 +00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,280 +it's a very very cool idea not + +1036 +00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:44,960 +dissimilar to your like 3D immersive + +1037 +00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,480 +content thing but it felt like it took + +1038 +00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,440 +way more work and it's way harder to be + +1039 +00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:53,800 +like precise about what kind of story + +1040 +00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:56,000 +you want to tell totally and only a few + +1041 +00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,520 +short films were ever made for that the + +1042 +00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,359 +the DAR + +1043 +00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,560 +sphere movie had sort of the same issue + +1044 +00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:03,560 +where like the canvas was so broad you'd + +1045 +00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,599 +like look over here and then you'd be + +1046 +00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,440 +like wait am I missing what's it no wait + +1047 +00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:09,000 +am I missing the movie like you just + +1048 +00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,160 +have to watch it like six times and no + +1049 +00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,280 +one actually wants to do that and that's + +1050 +00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:16,240 +financially just not possible so hard to + +1051 +00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,440 +do too yeah hey thanks for watching this + +1052 +00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:20,240 +past clip before you decide what to do + +1053 +00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,280 +now I just want you to think about you + +1054 +00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,440 +know there's buttons all over the page + +1055 +00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:28,520 +you don't know what to click but what + +1056 +00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,520 +would Taylor Swift click + +1057 +00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,240 +think about that while we were thinking + +1058 +00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,640 +about it uh scooter Brun actually sold + +1059 +00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:39,560 +our waveform masters to another label + +1060 +00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:44,599 +and so we're re-recording this episode + +1061 +00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:46,599 +as our the waveform version 's + +1062 +00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:48,359 +version but you should still like And + +1063 +00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,440 +subscribe that's the version We it's + +1064 +00:38:48,359 --> 00:38:51,800 +very clear that that's what Taylor would + +1065 +00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,000 +want you to do wait for episode 2113 + +1066 +00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,520 +Ellis's + +1067 +00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,520 +version that + +1068 +00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,520 +subscribe + +1069 +00:39:00,820 --> 00:39:09,560 +[Music] + +1070 +00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,560 +oh +