Cuomo: PEF should be ‘reasonable like CSEA’





  1. Tired of all of this says:

    Is it confirmed that there will be at least 10 weeks of layoffs , each happening on Thursdays?

  2. Joey Nuts says:

    PEF Endorsed him… Smart move guys….

  3. adirondackGUY says:

    @whatamess: And shame on YOU to bring up the holocaust to try to shut Pat Rishun (a pun on “Patrician”?) up; he didn’t mention the holocaust. He was talking more about the rise of fascism during the 1930′s. YOU were the one who “went there”. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

    Incidentally, Mr. Rishun has a valid point. George Bush shamelessly used the fear inspired by terrorism to increase and consolidate government power (“I am the decider”) and the reach of the police state (wiretaps rivaling those of East Germany, extraordinary rendition, torture, etc). His policies were corporatist, favoring corporations instead of government entities (remember Blackwater? Halliburton?). He vastly benefited the rich and well to do at the expense of the poor and working class (he caused the financial meltdown, which incidentally made the rich MUCH RICHER).

    All of these are characteristic of fascism. Most people have a hard time recognizing fascism when it’s not paired with totalitarianism, but you can easily have one without the other.

    Governor Cuomo ALSO clearly favors the rich and well to do (look at his refusal to extend the millionaire’s tax, and his insistence on trying to recover 450 million from the working and middle classes); he favors corporations (Look at his hydrofracking policies); and he is undeniably authoritarian (Observe his “take it or leave it” approach).

    I think he is showing MANY parallels with historical fascists. There’s nothing wrong with calling someone out for this sort of thing.

    I suggest you re-read Mr. Rishun’s post, and think this matter over.

  4. World's most interesting man says:

    They just added more titles to my agency’s list today. I would take all lists as what they are … a work in progress. And don’t assume that just cause your title is not on the list today that it won’t be next week or a month from now.
    Also don’t assume seniority will save you. Looks like they are pretty flexible with what titles they choose and how they define the layoff area.

    Keep thirsty my friend.

  5. Marianne says:

    He’s already laying people off. Vote NO on this contract CSEA members!! You could be next in line whether you vote yes or no! This man is nothing but a crooked politician!!

  6. Jim says:

    @World’s most interesting man. I agree, CSEAS members must vote no. The layoffs will happen regardless of your acceptance of such a bad deal. The federal government will cut aid to state entitlement programs, and the layoffs will again be on the table next year. Those that remain will be working for peanuts and still not know if they will have a job. Tell the Governor, no way, to a five year deal like the one he proposes. It is better to take no deal, and let the current terms and conditions remain. One does not lose until one votes yes.

  7. WTG says:

    My agency threw out three more titles today targeted for layoffs. The Prince of Darkness must be really delusional if the thinks this “Give in to my demands or I’ll kill hostages every week” type of bargaining will work. The only thing he is doing is ticking people off and strengthening their resolve not to give in and kiss his ring. I have something you can kiss Prince Andy and it ain’t my ring.

  8. I took the incentive says:

    I can’tr do it because I am already retired, but what this Governor needs is a general strike. He offers four furlough days. FINE. Give him four days, but do it on YOUR terms. Walk off the job. Shut it down. Lets see how the public reacts to the total lack of all State services for a week or so.

    Give him his four days. Where the sun don’t shine.

  9. GetOnWithIt says:

    What is this about “every week?” Does anyone have any new information concerning the next round of layoffs?

  10. TaxTheRich says:

    Why this country isn’t rioting like they are in Greece is beyond me.

  11. SANDI says:

    I have worked for the state for 7 years. I am voting NO even though I may get laid off. They are taking away from people who do not have anything to take. Just leave the contract as is no changes no raises. We have the Taylor Law on our side.

  12. SR says:

    @ Tax the Rich – I ask myself that everday…

  13. IT Worker says:

    In 2007, the Associate Computer Programmer Analyst title was eliminated, and then replaced with two titles – ITS3 and ITS3(P). ALL of the people holding the old title at that time were converted to the ITS3 title. Since then, nearly all of the younger workers have been promoted into the ITS3(P) titles. Both of these titles are a direct line promotion to an ITS4 – that is the ONLY direct line promotion available to either title. Now Civil Service has “randomly” decided to strictly interpret Civil Service law to only bump ITS4s into the ITS3 title only – thus making the younger ITS3(P) staff unbumpable. The ITS3 titles are held almost entirely by those 50 and older. ITS3(P)s almost entirely those under the age of 40. Sounds like age discrimination to me ….

  14. Geneva Union Man says:

    Engineers, social workers, nurses, teachers, counselors getting lay off notices, meanwhile consultants with no bid contracts proliferate, and billionaires get huge tax breaks from the Dark Prince.
    Where is the media questioning of the Dark Prince…..?
    Oh by the way the Dark Prince keeps his specific visitation schedule secret until the last minute….no one knew that Cuomo would be in the Town of Lancaster (Buffalo) until the last minute. He did not want protestors to know his exact location!!
    Ask him about that TU!!

  15. Adirondack Someday says:

    So why have my health insurance premiums gone up in the last year? Can someone explain that? Why oh why do they want to increase them now? Could this have something to do with Obama’a health care? Someone please explain this to me because I’m stumped.

    I used to work in the private sector (was laid off on May 13, 2011). The health insurance premiums at my former company increased by 16% from the prior year. Reasons: (1) Very little is done at any level to curb healthcare costs (2) The government has been underpaying doctors and other health care providers via Medicaid and Medicare. The only way they can make up their losses is from private insurance, aka you and me. Our insurance premiums will continue to go up as the government increasingly continues to underpay Medicaid and Medicare and when Obamacare dumps another 30,000 million into Medicaidwho previously weren’t there. We ain’t seen nothing yet in regards to our health care insurance premiums going up.

  16. Adirondack Someday says:

    Correction. Not 30,000 million. 30 million.

  17. Getting Fridays Off says:

    Hate to break it to you, @AdirondackSomeday, but most of the provisions of the healthcare reform don’t even take effect till 2014. So guess what? It means your precious private health care is responsible for those huge increases! I know it hurts you that you can’t blame Obama for that.

  18. Lana says:

    I used to be married to a mama’s boy, there’s something wrong with them psychologically. Just because mama let you have your way doesn’t mean the rest of us will. Mama just ruined him for the rest of us.

  19. Shamless says:

    Mr. Cuomo, if you think that we are in crisis, why don’t you take a pay cut or donnate you check to the guv so that this poor middle class can live? While you take all this from the state employees, what are you giving to the state? This si a war and it will end badly for u. We voted for you, remember that…

  20. Upstate says:

    I think President Obama included 25 year old children in the healthcare plan, then Sen. Breslin passed a bill that included 25 year old children in family plans and allowed for children until 30 to buy individual plans at their parents place of business, probably a tax break or something involved to get private business to do this. Governor Paterson chose to include the 25 year olds children of state workers in family plans, and allow children through 30 years of age to purchase a state individual plan if their parents are state employees. My union first told me it cost nothing, and then told me it is just the right thing to do and we as union members should help each other out. Right or wrong this is how it is. So if you are retired and have a family plan, and your 25 year old children were never covered, you are now seeing your family plan go up to cover someone elses 25 year old child, even if that child is married and has children, of course the spouse and children are not covered. If you have an individual plan you will now have the 26-30 year old children of other state workers getting individual plans, they have to pay 100% so the only ones that will buy these plans are 26-30 years old with many medical expenses, so your bill will go up. If all 26 -30 year old became members of the healthcare plan you would expect that it would go down because overall they have less health problems, but perfectly healthy 26 -30 year olds and their parents are not going to pay $7800 annually to be covered by the empire plan, so your bill goes up.

  21. Adirondack Someday says:


    Very true. That’s the date when Obama dumps 30 million more Medicaid indigents on the backs of the working middle class.

  22. Shaft says:

    The pitiful andy boy and all his little puppets are truly a talented group. The masters of rectal cranial inversion

  23. Christine says:

    The CSEA contract may not be as reasonable as it seems.PEF has suggested ways to save millions of dollars without layoffs. Why not try some of their ideas? What about pay freezes for all Executive staff,legislators
    and contract workers? To save even more,do not hire contract workers. State workers can do the work for lass.

  24. digusted says:

    i wonder what the sister city in George actually thinks about what is going on here……..

  25. digusted says:

    Cuomo and Benidict Mcdonald both can go bend over,

    first gay marriage which was against what the people want!
    then no tax on rich against what the people want!

    no state mandate change
    no true reform..we have exceptions where is campaign finance reform which would not allow losers, sorry lobbyists and the list is long to bribe politicians

    no true tax cap we have exemptions which will drive up costs

    but of course we have mayor mccheese standing up this morning I want to be the first one to marry some thing, while rome burns, who is going to support his bar districts, Suny students, to point, oh of course the gays, hey that is it, we should change the name of the city to the city of providencetown, so we can be a sister city to the one in cape code…what a wonderful idea., ,

    Then Mayor blowhard who can not run again, can be close to his bosom buddies, he can now come up here and run the city of providencetown, in fact he can do it right from the island home he owns in Carribean, texes will be less for the rich, he would obviously be the right choice when jerry the gourd steps down, Heck half the state workers will be gone so someone has to support the bar districts that mchcesse own, or the other businesses, oh of course, the politicians lead by benedict arnold Mcdonald, he will have to lendsupport for that when the state workers are gone, and of course he will lead the gay pride parade next year, along with the above Mayors, mccheese and blowhard, oh boy it will be just like frosty the snowman (kind of resembles him),,, hey happy birthday..

    No one else will have any money when this done………….layoffs, etc, as the man said the people in the businesses should be up in arms, but heck business is business in this state no matter what traditions or costs, ..send in the clowns, we have lots of clowns. obviously, the rich, politicians, and gays as they said on these blogs will support the business in albany. Yep they sure will! 10,000 layoffs because CSEA will not vote for this contract, and hope the public like long lines, and local offices closing. Oh I see, now I get it you close the remote offices, and force everyone to come to albany…….ah or whatever the name is……..

  26. digusted says:

    I hear texas is booming for those who are losing there job, Georgia, NC, lots of walmart jobs

  27. digusted says:

    you can stand in line with the others gettng food stamps, welfare, medicaid, unemployment, providing you get there early enough for an appt, and there are staff member (state/county workers ) to lend that support

    but, we hve gay marriage the top priority, no jobs in area, cutting out thousands from the work force, less of a priority, ah who needs them, well tell that to the stores, shops, etc in area

  28. digusted says:

    tell that to the defaulted home loans, car loans, but we have gay marriage and civilian contractors on the state payroll raking in the bucks

  29. Getting Fridays Off says:

    You a shill for the private insurance companies, AdirondackSomeday? Funny how you completely ignore how they are responsible for your increased premiums in the last year and decades.

    Guess you really don’t care about that, do you?

  30. State Employee says:

    I don’t know about you nayers but I am voting yes to the csea contract. I’ll explain why. The state is in the worst fiscal crisis that I have ever experienced and if voting yes keeps me employed then more power to that. Yes, our salaries will be frozen, who cares about a little raise that only added 20 dollars to my paycheck and so what if I have to give up 5 days of furlough days, if it all means keeping myself employed. Let’s be realistic. The unemployment rate keeps going up, thousands of people are desperate as they can’t find jobs,support their home and families, losing their homes through foreclosures, getting evicted and even being forced to move in with families. Wake up CSEA members, don’t be greedy, you might just wind up with nothing at all if you vote no. So, vote YES and save your job. No one says you have to stay in the same job without pay raise for the next five years. Think and be ahead of the game. The layoff protection that you get if the csea contract passes allows you ample time to think thorougly what you really want to do, whether it’s to stay in your current job or move on to something better a year or two from now when things stabilize. All I can say is if this contract does not pass CSEA members will be scrambling to either grab the first job offer that comes their way, which may be a lot less than what they’re currently earning or they may simply join the ranks of the unemployed and stay that way for a long time considering the dire circumstances we are currently facing.
    It’s up to you. Think about it. I have.

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