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. they are still not making much progress in the fiscal cliff. >> doug is live from washington. >> either way they stave off the fiscal cliff. spending cuts at the end of the fiscal year. it has really shocked republicans this year on capitol hill. they say it calls for, for one thing, $1.6 trillion in new tax hikes over a decade. it is also stimulus spending and the spending cuts. both sides are necessary to reduce the deficit. those the president would largely tackle later perhaps next year. >> first despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line and this is a moment for adult leadership. >> perhaps most su prirprising the white house proposal to get the president just about unlimited power to raise the nation's debt sealiceiling and w more and more money unless they reject. these will be tough negotiations ahe






with the fear of falling off, know what, the fiscal cliff. if washington does a deal, small businesses may feel brightner the next survey. but for now the uncertainty means owners, who are the biggest drivers in employment, are less likely to hire more workers or invest in growth. one in five said they will cut their workforce the next twelve months. that's the highest since the survey began ten years ago. one in three predict they will slash capital spending the next year too. here is how gallop summed it up. survey suggests the u.s. economy is extremely fragile and possibly susceptible to another recession. we will take a look at what exactly the fiscal cliff means to small business owners and what they can do to prevent any damage. they could be among the hardest hit if we don't get a deal. shannon, back to you. >> so many consequences. all right. thank you, brenda. we asked, you answered. up next, your time to chime in on today's twitter question. and a must-see kicker video you do not want to miss. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the re



it off, but i'm not hearing that. megyn: okay. so then on top of that you got to fiscal cliff discussions in washington where the president wants to raise the income tax on top earners by another 3% or so in addition to this, these taxes you and i were just discussing. >> yeah. and that's a crucial point, because obama has repeatedly said he wants to go back to clinton era rates, but that ignores this new surtax at the beginning of the year. if they take the top rate from 35 to 39.6, it'll actually be 43.4 on investment income because we'll have that additional surtax on top of that. so dividends, for instance, which are 15 now could be going all the way to 43.4 which could have a very negative impact on the stock market. megyn: so right now if you make money off dividends, which a lot of folks do. you know, it's not just the super rich who get dividend income from their stock investments, right now you pay a 15% tax on that, and president obama wants to change that to you should get taxed on that income as though it's your actual, like, salary. and if that, if he gets his way on that, th

chanted and made noise in order to get their way. i think we ought to recognize this entire fiscal cliff is an artificial invention of washington, created by people in the congress and the presidency, and it can be broken down by them into a series of steps that can be taken without having to be rushed into one gigantic last-minute, little understood, with no hearings, one vote up or down, i think it's a terrible way to govern the united states. >> greta: well, the sequestration deadline is coming up the 1st of january. what people are saying on capitol hill, the president is saying, congress is saying, it may be scary stuff, but if we go over the fiscal cliff that all sorts of things will happen, that there will be another recession, we'll go deeper into our existing one, if we have an existing one, jobs lost, the market will crater, should we go over the fiscal cliff, even though it's created by the president, the house, the senate, failed to do their work a year and a half ago and pushed us against this deadline. your thoughts. >> right. my thoughts, they could pass a provision to ext

the fiscal cliff? do you think we will go over it? what does it mean? we get taxes, will be cut. no, taxes will go up. spend willing be cut. everyone wants, almost everybody wants spending to be cut. what do you think will happen? >> let's look at wall street. what might happen to the 401(k)s or the stocks. last week, boehner said nothing is happening and stocks would plummet. somebody else would say something going on behind the scenes and stocks go up. this is tremendous volatility. this time of year we get santa claus rally, the stocks will rally until the end of the year. but if the taxes go on, on capital gains and dividends, people will start to sell now to have the better, more preferential tax treatment than afterwards. we may see selling in first of the year. >> eric: long-term, think long-term. once we get past that. what will the effect be? what if taxes on dividends go up? >> this is incredible disincentive. especially on the capital gains. to take the risk of investing. when you say long-term, long-term, if you don't need the money you invest in stock market. if you need it in








for signs of progress, jon. jon: we are, indeed. mike emanuel, keeping an eye on the fiscal cliff negotiations for us there in washington. thanks, mike. jenna: from capitol hill to the white house now, and right now the president is getting ready to host governor mitt romney for lunch. the former rivals will be meeting behind closed doors in a private white house dining room. reporters were not invited. jon: oh, gee. jenna: left off that invitation list. jay carney says there's no formal agenda, and we don't know the menu as well. very curious ability what they're serving today n. his victory speech, president obama said he was looking forward to sitting down with governor romney and talking about ways they can move together to move the -- they can work together to move the country forward. he will also meet with his former running mate, congressman paul ryan. jon: vice president joe biden today calling for a middle class tax cut while getting in some christmas shopping as well. mr. biden visited the first costco store to open in washington. we won't tell you what he bought to put



-10 when i went to bed. >> i saw it. washington might be paralyzed about this ridiculous fiscal cliff, but we're happy about this. >> gretchen: the only good news for washington now is the redskins win. >> and the weather. >> gretchen: the third thing is that the white house leaks are now saying that president obama actually maybe wants to go over the fiscal cliff if the republicans do not agree to raising income tax rates even though yesterday they agreed to these deductions and loopholes and getting rid of them, which essentially many people argue, would do somewhat of the same thing. your thoughts? >> right. so there are going to be consequences for syria if they use chemical weapons and the president thinks there is going to be severe consequences for the republicans if, in fact, we go over this precipice and raise your hand if you're tired of this cliche about the fiscal cliff. he thinks look, the republicans will suffer terribly, the country will be thrown into some turmoil, he thinks and he thinks he's the winner either way. it's easy for the president and his team to go out th




is just trying to figure out what washington is going to do. we have been talking about the fiscal cliff now for months. we had a budget melt down a year and a half ago when the debt ceiling debate came. we talked about many times the uncertainty that faces manufacturers. you can't make investment decisions on long-term capital expenses for that will be paid off over years if you don't know what the government is going to be taken from you from taxes or higher energy costs. manufacturers are really trying to figure out what is next? what is on the horizon. they need certainty and they need positive certainty that whatever happens on the fiscal cliff is not going to impact them in a very negative way. >> what if it is a bad deal though? we talked about one disproportionately skewed in higher taxes. sometimes i think and i could be out to lunch on this that a bad deal would be worse than a no deal. >> see, i tend to agree with you. when you talk about certainty there is also as you just pointed out bad certainty. you don't want to have that. and when some folks in washington are talking ab



's no question in my mind that going over the fiscal cliff which is frankly not nearly as big a deal as the washington media says it is, and confronting head on that we are not going to continue this pattern of deficit spending is far better for them than to raise taxes, slow the economy, and grow government. if you give the democrats -- the president's budget proposal said give me higher taxes so i can spend even more. >> sean: as i said, the big disappointment to me today was kind of shocking to hear that speaker boehner adopted the language of the president as it relates to class warfare. yeah, we're raising money on the rich. i don't care if you say revenues or tax rates, it's still the same thing. i was a little surprised that conservative tea party members are now being pulled out of different committees as a kind of punishment because they didn't go along with the leadership. so i'm saying what are they standing for? >> i think that's a very dangerous game to play. i think that the country believes that somebody ought to stand up for smaller government, somebody ought to stand

fiscal cliff are now gone. >>shepard: are we supposed to believe all the sources who tell us that there is real progress behind-the-scenes or not? >>reporter: depends who you listen to. the republican leader in the united states senate, mcconnell said geithner's visit was a step backward. sources say he was talking about raising taxes $1.6 trillion and they say that is not reality. that is not going to pass the senate or the house >>shepard: the syrian government that is killing its people by the tens of thousands has shut down the internet across the country according to two u.s. based internet monitoring companies. activists confirm the blackout to the associated press and the syrian government claims we didn't do it, no, the terrorists shut down the intent. fighting an the main syrian airport near damascus sparked airlines to top flights into the syrian capital. activists reported the syrian civil war has led to the death of 40,000 people. conor is there in the middle east newsroom. >>reporter: many of those who is died have died because the syrian air force bombed and kil







are calling president obama's offer to get off the fiscal cliff ludicrous and absurd. they are insisting on spending cuts. president held a campaign rally, toy factory in pennsylvania. she characterizing the opposition as a handful of republicans who want to hold middle class tax cuts hostage. what happens if a deal does not get done in time? we'll look at what sequestration really means. it appears susan rice had access to the president's daily brief before she made her misleading statement about the cause of the september 11 attacks. now back to my colleagues at "the five." ♪ ♪ >> brian: this is a senior and has autism and other development issues and a t place kicker, which is extraordinary. having a rough season. but anthony led the team to upset victory. here is how it sounded. [ cheering ] >> brian: this game-winning field goal is a hit on youtube ever since. what is amazing, this kid loves rutgers. he used to sit in the stands. developmentally around 12 years old. going to high school and beloved by everybody. sitting in the stands watching rutgers play and watched rutgers win

to the upcoming fiscal cliff. the deadly storm destroyed or otherwise damaged hundreds of thousands of homes and businesses knocking out power to millions of people along the northeast coast. be careful what you say in front your television because one day soon it could be listening. a new system is in the works that could target commercials just for you. based on what you say. or how you act in the privacy of your own home. >>trace: your television could be watching you one day. the major cable provider has filed for a pat than does that, a set 207 box that you can use or pick up on your gestures while you were watching television. it could listen in on your conversations. the whole idea is to taylor commercials specifically for whoever is watching. for example, if the box hears you arguing with your spouse an advertisement for marriage counseling could pop up. we have seen proposals like this before and it raises big concerns from privacy advocates. today a company spokesman says and i quote, "vie drop has a well established track record of respecting their customers' privacy and protectin


about the fiscal cliff. >> brian: my son got a concussion and my dog sprained his paw. >> steve: we had a better weekend than you. >> brian: yeah. >> gretchen: how did your dog sprain his paw, more importantly about your son? >> brian: i had a decision to make, do i bring my son to the hospital or the dog to the emergency room? i opted for the kid. so yeah. he's going to be okay. he just has to know the difference between the two teams he's playing on because he got hit in the back of the head. but my dog walks over with a sprained paw. i'm thinking, he's going to walk it off. he's not. 120 pounds, how do you get a dog off its feet? >> steve: i got a feeling you'll be visiting the vet today. >> brian: unless you can bring him. >> steve: i'm busy. >> gretchen: okay. more on the hopeful success story of your son and the dog coming up. the white house and the lawmakers racing against the clock with 29 days to go now before the country reaches a fiscal cliff. at that rate, talks are going slow. the u.s. seems poised to go over the edge. wendell goler live at the white house. okay, does ever


to be the fiscal cliff and the white house position on it. let's talk about it with angela mcglowan, fox news political analyst. you have been in washington. >> for a very long time. jon: i'm not going to say that. you're way too young to have been there a long time but you know how these things work. >> yes. jon: is this all political posturing? is there stuff really going on behind the scenes that we don't know about or hear about? >> this is political theater at its best. anytime both sides offer a plan that's when the negotiating process starts. the optimist here. i do believe we will come to a deal, jon. i think you will see a lot more political posturing but you are having policy wonks behind the scenes crunching the numbers so they can work out a deal. jon: well the president has said there has to be higher taxes on the top 2%. >> yeah. jon: republicans essentially said we'll give you higher taxes but do it by reforming, closing loopholes and not raising rates. >> right. basically the republicans came up with what obama said in 2011. he wanted, there was discussion dealing with $1.2 tr

, the speaker of the house is speaking out now about the fiscal cliff, let's listen in. >> the bigger problem here, which is our national deficit and our national debt. this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough, it exists because washington continues to spend too much. and raising taxes on small businesses instead of taking a balanced approach that also cuts spending is wrong. it's only going to make it harder for our economy to grow. and if our economy doesn't grow, americans don't get new jobs. and the debt problem that we have will continue to threaten our children's future. as i said the day after the election, republicans are not seeking to impose our will on the president. we're seeking a bipartisan solution that can pass both chambers of congress and be signed into law by the president in the coming days. now, during the campaign the president pledged to the american people that he would seek a balanced approach to addressing the debt, a combination of new revenues and spending cuts. so the day after the election i said the republican majority would accept ne

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