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RE: socialism at its finest
By Fritzr on 12/18/2008 9:25:06 PM , Rating: 2
On the constitution reference. You are correct and many of the things that are done by the Federal Government would be unconstitutional except for two major types of arguments.

1) Failure to do would affect the general welfare of the citizens

When you hear "Too big to be allowed to fail" this argument is being invoked. The Big 3 invoked this when asking for a bailout. They also failed to mention that while their suppliers would lose a lot of revenue, many of the other auto manufactories in the US use the same suppliers.

2) Since the House of Representatives is seated to voice the opinion of the people, when a Congressional Representative proposes a Bill, this is considered a request by the People.

While the Senate was originally selected by the State Legislatures they have been allowed to originate Bills which are legally requests of the People.

Since it is Congress that will allow or disallow this bailout, it is the People who are considered to be speaking. Remember the Congressman is your mouthpiece. So if you have an opinion contact your Congressman and Senator and let them know what YOU want them to say. Also get your friends to do the same. The more people who respond to an issue, the more likely the Congress critter will do what the People want.

You want a Government Rep to hear what you say? Then tell THEM

RE: socialism at its finest
By shin0bi272 on 12/19/2008 7:33:02 PM , Rating: 2
me personally Ive written my congressman. Hes a democrat and when I wrote him and begged him to vote against the 700billion dollar bail out he (or rather one of his office workers) sent back a form letter in which "he" said that he was proud to vote for the bail out.

That being said Im taking reservations for the date upon which we will all rise up and overthrow the government (not the system but those occupying it). As Jefferson said "when the government fears the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is Tyranny." The government ignoring the will of the people when it comes to drilling for oil, nuclear power plants, military use and funding, social programs, taxes, and giving money to individual companies that are deemed by some egghead economist to be "too big to be allowed to fail", to name a few, constitutes tyranny to me. Anyone else with me? Can we please rise up while America is still the land of the free? Plz?

(as a side note to anyone who thinks socialism isnt that bad, France's unemployment is above 13% constantly... we are crapping our pants over half that percentage.)

Lastly can anyone who reads this please check out the constitution party at

RE: socialism at its finest
By Fritzr on 12/19/2008 10:03:27 PM , Rating: 2
You can bet though that your Congressman was paying attention to his mail. The overall trend of opinion letters is a pretty good poll showing the averaged opinion of those willing to speak. If your letter had instead been asking for help with stupid bureaucrats screwing your life up on a one off basis, chances are you would have gotten personal attention (from Staff at least) to assist in solving your problem. Good PR :)

I happen to agree with Jefferson on the revolution item. That was one of the points of the 2d Amendment. However in the interest of making the life of a government apparatchik safer, the people are not allowed to unseat the elected government violently.

There are a few legal options that are out there such as recall petitions. Just get enough people to agree that he has to go and you may be able to get it on the ballot. Not sure if all states allow this though...

There is also the News Media revolution. Stage photogenic rallies in favor of your position and make sure the various classes of news reporters are notified so that they will be there for the photo-op where your supporters can make believe they are the tip of the iceberg of your grassroots support. This form is quite popular in Totalitarian ountries where the government can "ask" the reporters to show up on schedule :P

Smart protesters get the 5 o'clock TV news footage of massive picketing this way. The protest is scheduled to run from 2P to 4P and the reporters are invited to see the "massive protest" and then they run back to put the "breaking news" on the air.

RE: socialism at its finest
By hashish2020 on 12/22/2008 3:16:50 AM , Rating: 1
Firstly, unemployment in France (and Germany) is not calculated or disbursed in the same manner as the US. For example, 8% unemployment in Germany would be the same as 5.5% or 6% unemployment in the US.

Secondly, fuck that retarded party. If you think STOPPING immigration is the way out of economic decline, you are retarded. Not to mention, it wants to take away the BASIC RIGHT of citizenship to people BORN ON OUR SOIL. What's next, only white people born in the US get citizenship?

What the fuck is wrong with you? You want to ban pornography and give the states the right to criminalize sexual behavior?

Go to fucking Saudi Arabia and stop spoiling my nation with the sewage that spills out of your mouth, you traitor to American ideals.

