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was prefaced on the idea that the surge would have created some better environment from which it would make sense we could leave because things would be better. if that promise is wrong and things after the surge are worse than before the surge, if things are not going to get better by the time we are set to leave, then why are we sticking with that as still being the time to leave? when the pentagon announced the end of the surge last week, when they announced the surge was over, they talked less about blunting taliban momentum and more about how the surge helped us train lots of afghan security forces. in theory, lots of trained afghan security forces is a way afghanistan could get more safe. but right now it's also a way americans get killed. by the afghans we are training and arming. afghan troops are turning around and killing american troops they're supposed to be working with at such a rate now that the training and joint operations between the two forces were halted this month. and have only now started to scale back up. that's the circumstances in which 68,000 americans are putting

business because you have a coal situation and environment and all those concerns. how do you win on that argument in your state and how is mandel running that case? he seems like he's stuck with the romney idea. >> yeah, he is. and i think you win on that by, you know, you know, we've talked enough on this show, chris, and you get this better than almost anybody, that it's not liberal/conservative, left or right, it's whose side you're on. i go to belmont county and zanesville and cambridge and woodsfield and these communities in appalachia. they know i want to keep programs strong for veterans. veterans have a higher unemployment rate. we're always working on helping with manufacturing. there's a lot of small manufacturers in these small communities, and i want to make sure that these workers get an opportunity to send their kids to school. we have more coal mine jobs today in ohio than we did four years ago. it's not a huge number anymore, but it matters in our state, and we're seeing those -- i think those miners come around and support the president in the end in pretty large

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