Democrat’s Government Health Care Will Increase, NOT Decrease, Costs














But that message is a complete lie.


ObamaCare Gets a Red Light from Congressional Budget Office



The exchange with Democrat Kent Conrad was a shocker:
























5 Responses to “Democrat’s Government Health Care Will Increase, NOT Decrease, Costs”

  1. Debt Solution Says:

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  2. bd Says:

    Why don’t you adjust for inflation in any of your figures? The original CBO estimate from 1965 of $9 Billion would equal around $38 Billion in 1990. Still off but not by a factor of ten like you claim. You also conviently exclude the fact that the program has expanded several times thorugh legislation (primarily the expansion pushed by Nixon) which the original CBO calculations could never predict. If the CBO stated that your car is speeding towards a wall and you have time to stop by applying the brakes now does it mean their orginal calculation was incorrect if someone else hits the accelerator?

  3. Michael Eden Says:

    I see you don’t know what you’re talking about in your second sentence: it wasn’t the CBO that provided these figures. The CBO didn’t exist yet. It was a congressional unit that was the predecessor to the CBO that did the calculations.

    Second, to the extent that you have any point, neither does today’s CBO when THEY project. Both outfits tried to take into account inflation when they make their projections.

    Does the CBO know how much inflation is going to rise in ten or twenty years right now? I hope you’re not so stupid as to think they do. In point of fact, many economists expect inflation to go up wildly, given the fact that we are at unprecedented debt levels. Is it your contention that the CBO has a time machine, and knows what inflation will be?

    I think your argument kind of goes to fertilizer on the “inflation” score.

    But let me move on to the next fertilizer argument, that the Medicare legislation was expanded. Democrats are ALREADY talking about the ObamaCare bill that was just passed being a foundation for more and more expansion. Which is to say that the costs are going to (to quote Obama) “necessarily skyrocket” beyond what the CBO said.

    Lastly, I am all in favor of hitting the brakes on our reckless and unsustainable spending, so your final analogy supports my position and undermines the Democrat position.

    Do you have any more fertilizer, bd?

  4. robert gentz Says:

    Social Security and Medicare are self funded. The Bible says to give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars. The Social Security Trust Fund does not belong to Ceasae, the Federal Income Tax Withheld does. Social Security and Medicare did not invade Iraq and Afghanistan, the Federal Income Tax Withheld did. Why not put line items on the pay stubs to show how much of their tax money is going for the wars, defense, education and corporate welfare? The big one would be how much the ordinary working stiff is paying for the tax cuts for the top income people’s tax cuts. Especially CEO’s for cutting jobs and getting a bonus for improving the bottom line like they really earned it from good ol free market capitalism, the manufacturing and selling of commercial goods.

  5. Michael Eden Says:

    I think you’re confusing God with FDR, Robert.

    Social Security is a Ponzi scheme to the Nth degree. Eventually it will collapse and destroy us. There were something like 19 workers for every retiree when it was passed. And most of those workers died within only a few years of collecting benefits. Now it’s like 3 workers for every retiree. Like a Ponzi scheme, the early people get everything; but the people (like me) coming in at the end get the shaft.

    And excuse me for finding it immoral for you demanding that I pay all my life to finance your retirement for a program that I myself will never get to enjoy because of your greed.

    Walter Williams put it this way:

    Jagadeesh Gokhale, senior economic adviser, Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland; and Laurence J. Kotlikoff, professor of Economics at Boston University document the looming Social Security and Medicare crises in “Is War Between Generations Inevitable?”. They report that “A male reaching 65 years of age today (in 2000, the year of their study) can expect to receive $71,000 more in government ‘transfer’ benefits (of all kinds at both the federal and state levels, but mainly from Social Security and Medicare) than he will pay in taxes (of all kinds at both the federal and state levels) before he dies. A 65-year-old female can expect a net gain of more than twice that amount; she can expect $163,000 more in benefits than she will pay in taxes.”

    The picture is not so rosy for people who entered the labor force in 2000. They will pay far more in taxes than they will receive from transfer programs. Expansion of elderly handouts, such as prescription drugs, will make things worse. “For example: A 20-year-old female can expect to pay $92,000 more in taxes than she will receive in transfer benefits over her lifetime. The future looks more than three times as bleak for her male cohort, who can expect to pay $312,000 more in taxes than he will ever receive in benefits.”




    Along with Medicare, these two “entitlements” are responsible for an unfunded liability of more than $100 trillion. Are you going to pay that for us, Robert? That would be fair. What ISN’T fair is that you get to soak up all the benefits, and then force me to pay all the costs. For a program that will collapse before I retire. And then you give me a moral lecture on top of your theft?

    Already, these programs consume half the US budget, such that we cannot do anything else as a nation without incurring massive deficits. These programs are paralyzing us. Obama’s tax commission just pointed that out. And by 2050, these two programs alone will consume the ENTIRE US budget. And then it’s Dodo birdsville for the USA.

    Maybe The Social Security Trust Fund didn’t invade Iraq and Afghanistan, but the guy who imposed it on us locked up American citizens of Japanese and German heritage while fighting a war he promised the American people he would keep us out of.

    And for the record, let me also point out that you proceed to do a bait and switch. I wasn’t writing about Social Security; I was writing about ObamaCare.

    You proceed to chastise me all about SSI as though you were correcting my article on ObamaCare.

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