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Important change: arrival of the Standard!

Important change: arrival of the Standard!
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 17:12
Euzebe - Legend English

769 messages
Important change: arrival of the Standard!

Hello all,




Let’s see what will happen in detail:


2/ Creation of 3 new deck formats:
Note that the T1 format disappears.

3/ Finally, create or adapt battle rooms:




3 Deathmatch rooms:
Extended DM: Extended format, current DM rules.
Standard DM: Standard format, current DM rules.
Standard DM 25: Standard format 25, current DM rules.

3 Survivor rooms.
Extended Survivor: Extended format.
Standard Survivor: Standard format.
Standard Survivor 25: Standard format 25.
Same idea as Deathmatch.

And the rooms which won’t change:
Fight Club: the deck you want.
Warehouse: Training.
Warehouse no pillz: Training NoPill
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E10din - Titan English
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 23:05

What i want to hear is more of an explanation of this change from an actual Admin. Daigon and RG have done their best, but when it boils down to it they know the same amount that we do about these changes.

Also if this is being done to help ease the newer players entrance into the world of competitive playing, it's gonna do just the opposite. right now, because any number of decks are competitive, it is 100% possible to build a competitive elo deck for less than 10k, without LD's. Now this change is going to punish newer players twice, rather than help them.

1. LD's are going to play a much bigger role, and if you didn't get the LD, you're, for lack of a better word screwed

2. Clan staples that are in standard are going to remain at inflated prices so long as they are standard legal. if a card is necessary for one of the major meta decks, odds are it's going to be expensive. Lets look at the MTG example again. It's perfectly possible to build a deck that isn't that expensive, but it won't be the best. In order to have the best the meta has to offer, E.G. Jace the Mindsculptor, you need to shell out ridiculous ammounts of money. is the card necessary to play? no. But does it increase your odds of winning? Significantly so. This will do much of the same thing

(for those of you who didn't play during the JtM era of MTG, he went for roughly $200 per copy).

TL;DR This change is ultimately going to hurt the people it was made to help.
Ecna - Senior English
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 23:12

Besides, making this won't really solve anything - just change which cards are the most priced ones. Also, by eliminating variety you'll make a couple "working" decks among many "not working", making it even harder in ELO to make a cheap deck. Right now it's not a problem to make a ~20k deck (i.e. with Roots, Uppers, Rescue or Montana) and be succesful, because of variety of effective decks. With only a handful of working decks however, every effective deck will be pricey.

P.S. One more thing about the packs and the number of cards - if there's too much of them, get rid of all those old, 2/5, 4/4 no abilty cards. Maybe make them all CR, I don't know. This way it will be easier for newcomers to obtain useable cards in packs.
badbigwlly - Titan - BrainZtorm English
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 23:12

The current formats are given a new criteria based on time and adjusted to be identified as Extended Format (all cards) and Standard Format (2 year rotation on cards). It is then split based on star count (this is what I am used to) to introduce Standard Format and Standard Format 25 in addition to Extended Format but there is no Extended Format 25 (which I would like to see and was suggested by 0-Jade). Then there are separate game modes (DT, DM, Survivor and ELO) and rooms based on that and the format being played.

Its acknowledged that Extended Format 25 is not popular in DM but that does not seem the case with regards to DT and what about the possibility of a Survivor Extended Format 25 battle room? The DT game mode is adjusted to exclude Extended Format and Extended Format 25 battle rooms in favor of a single DT Standard Format battle room and does not even include Standard Format 25. At the same time, the jackpot is lowered for that room (cause the rewards were based on participation of players in T2, T1 and ELO battle rooms). Then the DM and Survivor game modes are given their own Extended, Standard and Standard 25 rooms but the ELO format is ignored and left with one Standard 25 room much like DT's Standard Format will be except with nicer prizes Please consider restructuring prizes with these changes to the game formats.

Also, this feels MTG'ish as E10din said. Question: Will there be card re-releases for Standard Formats?
WMD Raven - Hero - Wise Men Distracted English
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 23:14

Well, sooner or later this had to come, every TCG needs some refreshing at various points in time, bringing good and bad things with it.

The card pool has really become enormous, a lot of cards can't really be used, other could be used but are not, because we have older staples that receive all the attention.

Overall I think it's a necessity and in the end it will be something very good for the game, keeping it fresh for old and new players alike.

With that in mind we shall pass through some difficult times. The staff will have a hard time balancing the new formats, I believe that there will be a number of changes made to this initial rules, some even from suggestions of players.

From a distance, the number of playing rooms seems a little too much, there may be some confusion for newer players and a separation of players that may not be beneficial. But that remains to be seen how it will be received by players and maybe improved in time.

From the card pool perspective, I'm talking here mainly for ELO, as it is my specialty , there will be some crazy times. Many clans will become quite weak and newer clans maybe too strong. There may be some bans in the newer clans to help weaker clans, until we will have some new editions with key cards for each clan.
WMD Raven - Hero - Wise Men Distracted English
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 23:15

The new cards will have to be "spot on" for each clan, in order to re-balance the format, not by copying old staples but by offering solutions to what every clan will lack, with careful consideration this can be done over the course of 2 months or maybe more, from the moment the changes will be implemented

Overall, I am looking forward to this, and it will be a real test for the staff and the players alike but take my word that we will soon have a better, more balanced and more enjoyable game

Good Luck, Have Fun !
E10din - Titan English
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 23:15

Also another issue. there are some clans that are consistently under represented in releases (Roots). if a clan has a single bad release they could be potentially weakened for 2 years, give the stagnancy of the format. the reason this works for MTG is the ability to release an abundance of new cards in a very rapid manner, a luxury that UR simply doesn't have
IM_Hookienoop - Legend - Immortality English
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 23:17

I gotta say, this will probably ruin the game for me and I'm sure a lot of other people, specifically elo players. This ruins the ability to be creative while making an elo deck. Instead, this forces people to have to use the same 10 characters for each clan
WMD Raven - Hero - Wise Men Distracted English
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 23:19

@ post 57, nowadays people are forced to use the same 5-8 characters from each clan because older staples make some of the newer cards useless. even if the card pool will be smaller there will be more balanced cards for each star level and overall a greater variety in decks
IM_Hookienoop - Legend - Immortality English
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 23:23

I agree with everything ANON has said so far
M-Bison - Titan - URBAN MADNESS English
Wednesday 01/02/2012, 23:32

I love how everyone is commenting like it's going to make a difference, there doing this if you like it or not lol.

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