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RE: Car Sales
By dsx724 on 6/30/2011 3:27:04 PM , Rating: 1
How about you pay for the increase in fuel costs associated with your "sucking fuel like crazy" by yourself instead of leaning on the general public to offset your costs? Basic market supply demand principle.

This is the land of freedom and in order to preserve that freedom we need order, laws, and government capable of protecting the public from profiteering and self-indulgent entities that "suck fuel like crazy".

The Arab Oil Embargo caused sky high oil prices and CAFE was introduced to prevent such a thing from happening again. I forgot that as an average American, you have the memory of a goldfish and the ignorance of George Bush.

RE: Car Sales
By Reclaimer77 on 6/30/2011 3:40:17 PM , Rating: 5

He pays more gas taxes, a "gas guzzler" tax, depending on the state he lives in he pays more in "luxury taxes". And on and on it goes.

Fuks sake man, how much more extra do you want him to pay? Don't hand me the line that he's increasing your fuel costs because of his choices, that's complete bullcrap.

Take your collectivists guilt trip and go stuff yourself.

RE: Car Sales
By kfonda on 6/30/2011 4:47:59 PM , Rating: 3

I'm beginning to think we should just split the country in 2 and let everyone decide up front which half they want to live in (socialist or capitalist). After the initial decision everyone has to stay in the half they chose.

RE: Car Sales
By Breathless on 6/30/2011 8:44:59 PM , Rating: 2
I have been thinking this as well and would LOVE to see something like this. An experiment if you will.... I would be onboard and would pack my things immediately and move if I had to. Bring it on! "Left America" and "Right America" - split it right in two. Left America would have no God, no religion (other than atheism or possibly Islam since they would for some reason make an exception), no social classes (no one would make any more money than anyone else), and certainly no "corrupt corporations". They would legalize whatever drugs they wanted to and abortion would be celebrated - nay encouraged, as would homosexuality and eventually pedophilia (with the child's consent of course - whatever makes both of them 'happy'). Children would be encouraged to have premarital unprotected sex as early as they could be taught how to. Disease would be rampant. There would be no morality other than what the government dictated by its chosen officials. Criminals would have extremely short sentences universally, if they were ever jailed at all. It would only take about 2 or 3 generations for "Left America" to be bankrupt and immigrating back to "Right America" illegally and then subsequently begging for amnesty - all the while preaching the injustices of Right America.

RE: Car Sales
By Reclaimer77 on 6/30/2011 9:44:54 PM , Rating: 3

It's already been done. It's called Canada, and nobody lives there.

RE: Car Sales
By Breathless on 6/30/2011 10:15:30 PM , Rating: 1
well then it needs to happen again, unfortunately. The communist / socialist mindset is overtaking our country faster than it can be controlled. What else can be done? Voting them out doesn't work when they are now becoming the majority - those that want to decimate our constitution and principles that our founders had that made us great and kept us from self destructing...

RE: Car Sales
By FITCamaro on 7/1/11, Rating: 0
RE: Car Sales
By The Raven on 7/1/2011 10:55:41 AM , Rating: 2
Hell, I'm half-Mexican and even I left CA! ;-)

Truth is that we used to have these things called states. Now it is just all controlled by the feds like some huge company like Google buying up the little guys. It makes me want to move to NH for the Free State Project. But MO is nice and is one of the most free states in the US. So I can hang and try to make MO more free.

RE: Car Sales
By YashBudini on 7/1/2011 10:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
It's also called Commifornia.

By whom? Those in states with the lowest literacy rates?

RE: Car Sales
By MrBungle123 on 7/1/2011 10:41:21 PM , Rating: 2
Oh you mean the "stupid" states run by fiscal conservatives that are sooo dumb that they actually believe:

Income - Expenses = Amount of money we can spend?

lol. Yeah thats gotta be the most moronic thing I've ever heard!

Commifornia's Income - Expenses + $19 Billion = Our budget for the year! Totally makes more sense!

RE: Car Sales
By dsx724 on 7/1/2011 10:57:12 PM , Rating: 2
Oh you mean those same conservative states that piggy back off the federal taxes that those liberal states contribute to the federal budget?

Pay you fair share and stop leaning on California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Washington, Michigan, Connecticut, Delaware. If you actually paid your due instead of using your lobbyists/senators to rip off the "blue states".

Congratulations, your cash positive because you're stealing from someone else. Sorry to break your bubble of ignorance and artificial sense of facts.

RE: Car Sales
By YashBudini on 7/1/2011 11:51:32 PM , Rating: 2

Typical political extremist. You probably say that every time somebody says anything you disagree with. You think you win buy the argument by going all republican jihad on people.

RE: Car Sales
By troysavary on 7/1/2011 9:31:22 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Canada is more conservative than the US now.

RE: Car Sales
By Reclaimer77 on 7/1/2011 12:54:39 PM , Rating: 2
Sigh.. :( Yeah, maybe.

RE: Car Sales
By MrBlastman on 6/30/2011 3:55:03 PM , Rating: 1
Cry me a river. Your sympathetic plea towards making people who want to live free makes me want to puke.

I am the LAST person who "leans on the general public" to offset my costs. In order to drive around a sports car, the first thing you have to have is money. Well, in order to have that money, you have to have a job. In order to keep that job, you have to work hard at that. In order to collect that paycheck, you have to pay taxes--taxes which go into the system to subsidize the people who DO NOT WORK and DO NOT PAY TAXES so they can sit on their asses and complain about people who do work--and it not being fair.

Grow up.

If we work hard in America, we should be able to keep a large part of what we earn and... if we choose, spend it how we please. This is what freedom is about.

I pay for more gas if I use more and in that payment for gas is a tax that is paid into the system. You aren't subsidizing crap.

My whole point is--let the free market work. If someone figures out how to make a more fuel efficient car, have it be cost effective and desireable--along with the power infrastructure to support it (which our shortsighted Government fails to realize), people might buy it and it will set new standards. We don't need the Government breathing down our backs.

RE: Car Sales
By dsx724 on 6/30/2011 5:36:41 PM , Rating: 1
Last time I recall, you can still buy Ferraris, Lambos and Range Rovers. Whats with all the complaints about CAFE when the options are out there?

Those lazy people that do not work and do not pay taxes account for less than 10%. Be the better person and ignore minute amount that comes out of your paycheck.

On an individual scale, your usage isn't reflected but if there were a million people who think like you, the price of gas will increase by 1-2% for entire pool. Thus the extra demand you've created is causing everyone to play more whether they like it or not.

The statistics are out that shows that returns on improved fuel economy have three fold returns in gas saving. For each dollar I'm paying into the American economy for research, I'm saving $3 from going to Saudi Arabia.

The free market has failed and will continue to fail based on externalities. By driving around in your oil guzzling sports car, you are increasing the prices for the pool and polluting the air that I breathe. I would like you see you repair the damage to the road and clean up the smog created per gallon of gas using the 10 cent per gallon tax that is put into gasoline. It simply doesn't work because there's insufficient taxes to cover the cost associated with its consumption.

RE: Car Sales
By acer905 on 6/30/2011 10:52:19 PM , Rating: 4
........... You do realize that a) $0.184 per gallon of gas is the federal tax, with state tax added on to that, and then sales tax added at the end. For states like Connecticut or Minnesota, which have state taxes in the mid $0.20's, that can easily get to 4x your estimate.

b) The breakdown of US oil suppliers does not start with any OPEC member. It starts with Canada, supplying nearly twice what Saudi Arabia does. Because Canada actually uses the vast oil that can be found in the Arctic Circle, much like Russia, which happens to be another of the worlds oil suppliers.

c) Based on the US gasoline usage, 378 million gallons a day, and the average gas tax of $0.495 per gallon, the government rakes in $187.11 million a day from gas sales, or $68.295 billion a year, pure "profit". ExxonMobil, the worlds largest oil refiner in the world, only managed $30.46 billion in net income for worldwide sales in 2010. Thats off of $383.221 billion in revenue. I'd say the Gov is getting their fair share.

RE: Car Sales
By dsx724 on 7/1/2011 2:14:25 AM , Rating: 2
a) true, i am wrong on that figure
b) oil futures are global, just because our money isn't going directly to opec member nations doesn't mean opec member nations aren't getting more money because of us. canada could be selling that oil to europe and china and thus reducing the share of their oil imported from middle eastern countries.
c) the US has 4 million miles of roads and 2 million miles of oil/ng pipeline of which a significant portion has lighting, traffic lights, guard rail and sound walls. where is the pure profit when you have to build and maintain all of this and build parking space? for every dollar you spend on gas, the government pays more than a dollar to enable you to drive.
c2) 8% profit after costs are factored in. the government is running a negative balance that must be supplimented by non-gas taxes to break even.

RE: Car Sales
By JediJeb on 7/1/2011 5:14:36 PM , Rating: 2

Maybe those that pay no taxes at all is at 10%, but the figures show that now for the first time since the Great Depression US households are receiving more money than they are paying in in taxes. I personally know several people working at minimum wage jobs who get more money in their tax returns each year than they actually paid in.

RE: Car Sales
By MrBungle123 on 7/1/2011 5:31:29 PM , Rating: 2
The bottom 50% of wage earners only pay 3% of the taxes... so yeah, the number of "tax payers" that don't pay taxes is enormous.

RE: Car Sales
By YashBudini on 7/1/2011 9:51:20 PM , Rating: 2

How many of them are retired people? Or will you remain perfectly satisfied with half truths?

RE: Car Sales
By MrBungle123 on 7/1/2011 10:32:52 PM , Rating: 2
Retired people are not the problem, the welfare kings and queens are the problem. Far too many people are content to work for $8-10 and hour and collect food stamps. They have children and get health insurance plans and tax payer subsidised housing through the state. This group has a negative tax burden because they do not produce enough in the way of tax revenues to make up for their drain on the system. Thats where the problem lies. The same group that votes for socialists like Obama and the rest of the blood suckers in Washington that buy votes with mine and the rest of the working public's money that pulls their weight.

Now I suppose you're going to reply with some drivel that goes on about how I'm because I would rather people work for a living and don't feel sorry for people that would rather smoke weed and drink themselves retarded than learn a skill and add something to society.

RE: Car Sales
By dsx724 on 7/1/2011 11:10:57 PM , Rating: 2
Retired people are the problem. Labor participation after 65 has fallen drastically from historical trends. The same people keep voting Republican thinking that Republicans will make them pay less taxes but little do they know that Republicans are mostly spend whores that will cut services to the elderly and rip apart sustainable money pools created to assist the elderly. These people then have to depend more on government services to get by.

Many elderly people feel that they should not have to pay for education since they no longer have children but what they don't realize is that the same people that the elderly don't want to pay taxes for will in 10 years have to pay taxes to contribute to sustaining the existing retiree services. The only logical conclusion is that democracy is being cyclically undermined by misinformation and lack of education.

RE: Car Sales
By redbone75 on 7/3/2011 3:24:40 PM , Rating: 2
the welfare kings and queens are the problem

You mean big oil and other large corporations that constantly look for government subsidies? And then cry foul when it is proposed to remove those subsidies when they are experiencing record profits year over year? You hear the same crap from them, also: "Innovation is being stifled, or prices will go up, or jobs will be lost." Get off that bull$#!&, man. There are actually people that are educated and don't feed into the lies that the right try to spew. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to get voted down by all the right wing morons that would rather just follow the lies their leaders spit (like Rush "The Drug Addict" Limbaugh and Newt "Tiffany's" Gingrich), but try doing a little more research before you start with boring welfare crap.

RE: Car Sales
By YashBudini on 7/1/2011 9:49:24 PM , Rating: 2

As more and more people retire his kind are really going to freak out.


Oh man, you're certainly at the wrong web site. These guys think that a person earning $12-$14/hour can afford to save enough to fund their retirement for 20-30 years and it's totally their fault if they can't succeed, regardless of how much inflation there is on food, energy costs, medical, etc.

I'm saving $3 from going to Saudi Arabia.

Can't understand why so few people here don't put the Arabs at the top of the screw you list in this manner.

