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Diesel is great
By rebound11 on 11/7/2012 10:25:55 AM , Rating: 2
I live in Europe and I have an 11 year old diesel car (1.8l engine... small by American standards, but quite big nowadays around Europe). The tank is 45 liters and I can squeeze on average 1000km out of it. That's more than my cousins petrol car (same 1.8 liter engine, same car actually on the outside, different propulsion, and his is 1 year newer). The horse power is slightly better on his car 130 vs my 115, but the torque is almost double on mine than on his (~300Nm vs little over 150Nm). He can't go more than 800 km on a full tank even if his tank is 55 liters. The price of diesel is about 20% higher here than that of petrol, which still leaves my car with a margin over his. But on another note I get my full torque at 2000 rpm and full power at 4000 rpm while he has to take it up to 2700 rpm for full torque and 5500 for full power.

I have never had any issues with mine and I drive it like a race car (even took it up to 215km/h, what else do you need?)... just regular checks and following instructions (oil+filter changes @ every 10-15k kilometers, distribution changed at every 80k km, air and A/C filter changed at every 50k km and intend to change the clutch when I reach 200k km; only hanged the glowplugs and the battery once so far @125k km).

Someone pointed out the -20 degrees C issue... as long as you warm up the glow plugs twice, turn off all electronics before start-up and use the right mix of diesel and additives it will work in those conditions as well. I almost blew my fuel pump at -22 this winter because the smart-asses at the gas-station mixed water in the diesel so they can make a quick buck. Also cars that are sold in Nordic countries have by default what some call a "nordic-kit" which includes tougher suspensions, extra shielding from ice that can be thrown by the wheels into the radiator or other parts of the car and installations that pre-heat the oil, and ready the fuel pump for a very cold start.

The only problem with diesel is that it sounds like a tractor when the engine is cold, but I give it at least 500k km lifetime, 1000k if treated correctly. To be honest, I would only like an electric car more than a diesel, and that's because of the quietness, ease of driving and instant torque.

RE: Diesel is great
By boeush on 11/7/2012 6:17:08 PM , Rating: 2
Something that's not so great: breathing the foul-smelling, carcinogenic and asthma-inducing diesel exhaust. Yeah, I've heard all about the "clean" diesels, but even they don't clean their exhaust with 100% efficiency. Maybe driving a diesel isn't so bad, but being stuck in traffic behind a diesel (with its exhaust pipe right in front of your car's cabin air intakes) isn't quite so pleasant, at all. And in high-density/high-traffic places where you might find yourself routinely stuck for large fractions of an hour in heavy traffic congestion on a 5-lane freeway (such as frequently happens in California, for instance), just the mere thought of thousands of these "clean" diesel cars idling bumper-to-bumper, combining their emissions together into a nice little cloud over the road, makes my skin crawl. I'd pity anyone whose home would be within a mile of any major road, if diesel cars became the norm in such high-traffic, high-density locales.

RE: Diesel is great
By freedom4556 on 11/7/2012 8:36:47 PM , Rating: 2
CARB and the EPA would rather you crawl in that same jam in an EV beeping away at an annoying volume to warn other pedestrians such as children and cyclists that your coming. (Like there's tons of those on a 5-lane interstate) How insanity inducing would that racket be?

RE: Diesel is great
By rebound11 on 11/8/2012 2:45:46 AM , Rating: 2
I have no clue what you're talking about... I have my car tested every year and although it's Euro 3 it can easily fit the Euro 4 emissions norm. Hell I can make it Euro 5 if I add a filter (that's a bit too expensive to be worth it). Here's some reading:

I have no idea what crap diesels you drive back there, but the exhausts of diesels in Europe cannot be "in front of any car's intake" because they're pointed downwards... that's how you can tell a diesel from a petrol car at a distance. Here:

RE: Diesel is great


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