WTC7: NIST Finally Admits Freefall (Part II)

--David Chandler, AE911Truth

Body language

It would be interesting to see what body a language expert has to say abut Gross' behaviour......... especially when he announces 5.4sec.

Amen to that and --- I am annoyed

Why am I annoyed? I am annoyed because psychologists and psychiatrists who could bust this thing wide open refuse to weigh in. (with very very few exceptions).

We need a "Richard Gage" of Psychiatrists

Thanks for the link. These people would have a lot more impact (I would imagine) if they would
organize -- or if "someone" would organize them. This would be a whole lot of work and it will
simply take someone's feeling "called" to it, just as Griffin, Jones, Gage, McQueen, Ryan etc have felt the "call."

David: Excellent. One


Excellent. One question arose in my mind. Are we 100% certain that the end point for NIST's measurement is the roof line of the building on the left? Is it possible their measurement is lower, since we can still see part of the WTC7 roof line as it falls between the buildings below that point? Gross even says "...disappeared from view between the two buildings seen in the video..."

Your free-fall point still stands regardless, but if there is a chance their end-point is different, we should be careful.

JFK on secrecy and the press

John Gross and Shyam Sunder

John Gross and Shyam Sunder were both mis-stating a lot of things (like 17 vs 18 floors, etc.). They are clearly talking about the roofline and floor 29, which is the one I indicated. You can't really tell from this shot of the building, but you can see the windows on a clearer version that I blew up and enhanced.
--David Chandler

Gross is.....

a lying fu**er !.......... After seeing him in Texas saying there was no molten metal........Well let's just say i hope he likes his new cell mates.

Superb work, David

The best that can be said for Gross is that he is not a sociopath. He knows he is lying and is not comfortable with it. He makes the same stress-signaling gestures when he claims no evidence for molten steel. If only Gross and others at NIST had sufficient moral courage to blow the whistle, this Big Lie would have been officially dead long ago, and many dead would be alive.


Many thanks David. I have

Many thanks David. I have been making DVD-ROMs of Part 1 for sending to industry professionals. I will now make some with both parts.

I must agree that the body language of NIST officials speaks volumes. I think psychologists would find these videos interesting too.

Just Checking...

NIST starts the collapse at frame 16 which is the beginning of their 5.4 second collapse interval. This lasts until the parapet disappears behind the other two buildings. The first hint of collapse actually begins at frame 40 and the roofline does not begin to show motion until frame 46. But the roofline itself does not show any progressive motion until frame 60. Am I correct in saying that roughly 30 frames equals one second? So if they started the measurement at frame 46 the collapse interval would be only 4.4 seconds, or 3.9 seconds if they started at frame 60. So they made up a collapse interval to agree with their model?

Is this correct?

That appears to summarize it

That appears to summarize it correctly.
--David Chandler

One correction: John Gross

One correction: John Gross wrongly describes it disappearing between the other two buildings, but from the report it is clear they are using the interval from the roofline to the 29th floor. That's where they get their 3.9 seconds for freefall.
--David Chandler

Foward to Gross

..................with a note saying we know what you are doing.........Just to make him sweat.


Based on his body language, he must have a lot of trouble sleeping. The stress of waking up from his reoccurring dream of everyone pointing at him with the accusation of him lying will most likely shorten his life substantially.

> The best that can be said

> The best that can be said for Gross is that he is not a sociopath.
> He knows he is lying and is not comfortable with it.

The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, Crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity... orthodoxy in the full sense demands a control over one's own mental processes as complete as that of a contortionist over his body.

- 1984

If you want to talk Owell 1984 quotes. Check out this one.

"In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, " just to keep people frightened ". This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him." -- George Orwell, "1984"

Lying to Live

This man is presenting the lie the best he can. He knows very well what he is doing and why. With a crime like this and the implications, the lives of himself, his family, and even his friends are on the line. The plain and simple fact is this is a man lying to save his life and/or the lives of others. He has to play ball, in fact he must play ball. Most educated folks like this man know exactly what happens to those who challenge the imperial line or blow the whistle on government corruption especially in the realm of covert operations which is exactly what this was.

Rest in peace, John, they did.