Time  Nick                 Message
00:20 waylon               Hiya all.... to have a good chance at obtaining a job at Catalyst, working with #koha.... what skills do i need? what level of knowledge in those skills?
00:22 rangi                hi waylon
00:22 rangi                you'd want to have some perl skills, the more the better, and some knowledge of koha
00:22 rangi                im pretty sure you have both of those :)
00:22 rangi                you should definitely send in a cv
00:23 waylon               I have a good knowledge of both, and of mysql.. This is Waylon Robertson ... 33rd contributor to koha... and i usually use the nick Genji.
00:24 mtj                  oooh, catalyst sound busy…
00:24 eythian              mtj: it's where all the cool kids want to be these days :)
00:25 waylon               Beyond Perl and Koha.... any others? im guessing that developers don't have just koha to work on.
00:25 mtj                  jquery, mysql, css
00:26 mtj                  i use a lot of those , these days, for mods
00:26 eythian              waylon: the more the better. All the stuff that you'd expect for web-dev type things is worthwhile.
00:26 mtj                  html, and html-templating stuff too
00:27 waylon               mtj: a PAYE work from home using skills and knowledge, to work on something your passionate about... whats not to like?
00:27 mtj                  ahh, and git ;)
00:27 eythian              waylon: yeah, all the standard toolchain stuff.
00:27 waylon               yup, know html... learning git, but need practical practise.
00:28 waylon               I have yet to make a perl makefile.
00:28 eythian              I never have either
00:28 waylon               or create any tests.
00:28 eythian              that's something that's worth learning :)
00:29 mtj                  i would up on my jquery, and show an ability to hack/mod Koha, using git
00:29 mtj                  oops, i would *brush* up on …
00:30 waylon               i mean.. i know how to make a test, have to to get around some strange idicrosincracies of some distros bugs...but .. to know WHAT to test... difficult.
00:30 mtj                  pick a pet Koha peeve, and fix it...
00:31 waylon               mean a automated 'make test'
00:31 waylon               as opposed to a manual bugfix testing.
00:31 mtj                  … theres no end of little things to fix, in Koha
00:32 mtj                  i only wrote my 1st Koha test recently too :/
00:32 mtj                  a late starter on that one... :)
00:32 waylon               hmm.. what i mean... is when people use make test, they test for things that are usually going right already.
00:35 eythian              when writing/refactoring is the best time to make tests. That way you can make tests that fail and fix the code until they pass.
00:37 waylon               Helps to have stuff in subs that can be tested, independant of webpage interaction eh?
00:37 eythian              yep
00:37 mtj                  ive often heard folks say "if you are really clever , you can write your tests *before* your code"
00:37 eythian              which leads to good design of small modular parts
00:37 eythian              mtj: yeah, I used to do that, although it's a hard habit to sustain.
00:37 mtj                  damian conway, even?
00:37 waylon               yup.
00:40 waylon               is there jobs available in catalyst, currently?
00:41 rangi                http://catalyst.net.nz/company/jobs
00:41 rangi                yes is the short answer
00:42 eythian              yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees is the long answer
00:42 waylon               Then i shall look at my cv, dust it off and send it.
00:43 eythian              just don't send in a word doc :)
00:43 waylon               It is PAYE, work from home, or is there a need to move to wellington?
00:43 mtj                  ha, classic advice too! :)
00:43 * wizzyrea           is shocked anyone wouldn't want to live in wellington
00:44 * waylon             sends CV's in PDF and Openoffice format.
00:44 eythian              hmm, it would probably be a director's call. There are some people who work remotely, but not all that many I think.
00:44 mtj                  yeah, me too :)
00:44 mtj                  ok, back to it...
00:44 rangi                not many at all, has to be a pretty special set of circumstances
00:45 rangi                i think 3 ppl out of 114
00:45 waylon               Right... so there is a chance of... "Hey, we like you, but your in Palmerston north. Move to Wellington, and we'll take you."?
00:46 eythian              that's quite possible, yeah.
00:46 mtj                  waylon: Katipo would be a good fit for working at home, too
00:47 waylon               yeah.... true... what skillset they after?
00:48 waylon               theres no job info on their website.... might mean no vacancies.
00:49 mtj                  twas a general suggestion, from me
00:53 waylon               What kind of per week pay would someone get at Catalyst, for a new hire? Real question is... would it support the cost of renting a 2 or 3 bedroom house, power, phone, net etc? I really have never worked fulltime. only part time contracting for overseas.
00:55 mtj                  /private lol
00:56 eythian              it would depend on too many factors to be able to say, really.
01:00 waylon               ah.... hmm.. then... getting a job at Catalyst could be a risk to stability... if relocating proves to be impractical.
01:01 space_librarian      these are all factors that you need to think about.
01:19 waylon               Would a "yes, we want you, but you'd need to move to Wellington" come with income information prehaps?...when would income info be dispensed?
01:20 eythian              before you accept or move or whatever, otherwise it'd be a bit unfair.
01:20 eythian              So, well before you're committing to anything.
01:21 waylon               right.
01:50 waylon               Okay, thats me for now. laters all.
01:51 space_librarian      ciao
01:54 wizzyrea             space_librarian: I made mac and cheese for dinner ^.^
01:54 wizzyrea             (home made, with chicken and broccoli)
01:56 jcamins_away         That actually sounds pretty good.
01:56 jcamins_away         Shari called and said she'd like steak.
01:56 jcamins_away         So steak we shall have.
01:57 wizzyrea             nice!
01:57 space_librarian      oh yum.
01:57 wizzyrea             I was thinking steak earlier
01:57 wizzyrea             steak and mashed potatoes are one thing I cannot turn down
01:58 space_librarian      wizzyrea: I'm going to be making mac cheese tonight - I've made sure I have everything. :D
01:58 wizzyrea             :D nice!
01:58 space_librarian      I love mashed potatoes....that'd be good too.
01:58 wizzyrea             I let my sauce get too hot and it went a bit grainy, but it still tasted good
01:58 wizzyrea             stupid electric stove.
01:58 * jcamins_away       doesn't like mashed potatoes.
01:58 wizzyrea             my kid is the only person I know who won't eat mashed potatoes
01:59 wizzyrea             he doesn't like them at all
01:59 * space_librarian    loves boxty too...
01:59 jcamins_away         I don't think there is any other form of potato I don't like. Just mashed potatoes.
01:59 wizzyrea             this is near-bout heresy!
01:59 wizzyrea             hmm
01:59 jcamins_away         wizzyrea: awww. You're raising a heretic. :P
01:59 wizzyrea             spud is just not real keen on potatoes (irony)
01:59 space_librarian      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxty
02:00 wizzyrea             not even so much on french fries
02:00 space_librarian      even better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ_(food)
02:00 wizzyrea             mmmm those look evil and wonderful
02:00 mtj                  boxty looks genius!
02:01 space_librarian      it's really good with stew
02:01 wizzyrea             jcamins has a great recipe for sweet potato gnocchi that I've made several time
02:01 wizzyrea             s
02:01 wizzyrea             and it's mahvellous
02:01 * space_librarian    is getting hungry now...
02:01 * jcamins_away       made those yesterday.
02:01 wizzyrea             spud *does* like the gnocchi
02:02 jcamins_away         Not yesterday.
02:02 wizzyrea             (and yes, I really did just recognize the irony of calling him spud when he isn't keen on potatoes. I wonder if these things are related...)
02:02 jcamins_away         It was several days ago.
02:08 * jcamins_away       feels silly sitting at his computer doing homework and guarding the steak from the cat.
02:09 wizzyrea             at least you don't have my problem, an ant crawling on your ear
02:10 jcamins_away         Yay! Shari's home! Time to eat.
02:10 jcamins_away         And, yes, I'm glad I don't have an ant on my ear.
02:10 wizzyrea             :D yay!
02:10 space_librarian      :)
02:10 wizzyrea             myshkin, leave the steak for cat-mom
02:11 space_librarian      steak and garlic butter... nom.
02:11 wizzyrea             i just ate and that makes me hungry
02:12 jcamins_away         Ooh, garlic butter.
02:12 jcamins_away         If only I had thought of that.
02:12 jcamins_away         Anyway, good night.
02:12 wizzyrea             gnite :)
02:12 space_librarian      night
02:26 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: MT3289 : check_sysprefs.pl case sensitive variable names <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=641616ef7fd43600864d46f39b938ef3cd8cd4f3>
02:30 jenkins_koha         Starting build 91 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:33 gmcharlt             @quote random
02:33 huginn               gmcharlt: Quote #53: "joetho: what kind of shape are the records in?" (added by gmcharlt at 10:17 PM, February 05, 2010)
02:33 gmcharlt             hmm
02:33 gmcharlt             I wonder why I added that quote
02:34 * gmcharlt           feels like there must have been a punchline following it
02:34 rangi                :)
02:34 eythian              you're supposed to add the punchline :)
02:37 eythian              rangi: I just realised that with a little more work (which I'm not going to do here), my accounts rewrite would allow balance to be transferred, or one person paying off anothers fines. I'll note that in the code :)
02:37 eythian              (and having all the balances working out properly)
02:39 rangi                awesome
02:40 wizzyrea             eythian++ my libraries will like that
02:40 wizzyrea             s/will/would
02:40 eythian              wizzyrea: cool. We'll, it'll be fairly easy to implement on top of this, I think.
02:41 * wizzyrea           is now curious about eythian's accounts rewrite, because fines are of particular interest to several of my libraries
02:41 eythian              wizzyrea: One moment, I'll grab you a summary
02:41 wizzyrea             <3
02:44 eythian              http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/e03009 <-- wizzyrea it's not very in depth, but it's where I'm going with it
02:45 * wizzyrea           reads
02:45 eythian              There's also stuff not mentioned in there to do with auto-paying from credit and such.
02:45 wizzyrea             ooo
02:46 eythian              yeah, and being flexible enough to say "pay for rentals only" or "anything but fines" automatically when they're charged.
02:46 rangi                chris_n++
02:46 wizzyrea             oh partial fines
02:47 wizzyrea             that's one they've been wanting desperately
02:47 hdl                  eythian: have you done all the job already ?
02:47 eythian              yeah, that's the impetus, but the whole accounts system isn't very nice and all the existing attempts are just sticking them on with bog.
02:47 eythian              hdl: it's in progress.
02:47 hdl                  julian has made a branch for partial fines payment.
02:48 hdl                  We have it on our master.
02:48 rangi                yeah this a full rewrite
02:48 wizzyrea             and they-who-shall-not-be-named also have partial fines
02:48 rangi                that just happens to allow partial fines too
02:48 hdl                  ok.
02:48 rangi                http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5905
02:48 huginn               04Bug 5905: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Biblibre, Partial fine payments
02:49 eythian              yeah, I looked at all the other ones, the goal of this is to have a nice, flexible (and documented) accounts system. Partial payments is just the sort of thing that falls out of that.
02:49 rangi                we are looking at this too, for ideas, but basically its fixing the table structure
02:49 hdl                  ok.
02:49 hdl                  see you all
02:49 rangi                hdl: i have a question for you
02:49 rangi                oh hang on
02:50 rangi                i see the time
02:50 rangi                go to sleep
02:50 rangi                ill ask you later :)
02:50 hdl                  rangi send me a message
02:50 hdl                  I have to take a train.
02:50 rangi                its about sudoc stuff
02:50 * wizzyrea           sings hdl a soothing lullabye
02:50 rangi                will do
02:50 rangi                http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/biblibre_various <-- the sudoc submodule in there
02:51 * rangi              is nearly finished that branch too, and then we are done !
02:51 rangi                and already 78 patches are in master :)
02:51 rangi                with another 23 waiting to be pushed
02:52 rangi                and the rest im sure will get signed off/fixed at the hackfest
03:09 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #91: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/91/
03:09 jenkins_koha         Henri-Damien LAURENT: MT3289 : check_sysprefs.pl case sensitive variable names
03:20 AmitG                heya chris
03:20 AmitG                India is in final
03:20 AmitG                heya space_librarian
03:20 wahanui              somebody said space_librarian was a new hire at catalyst .. second week eh space_librarian ?
03:21 space_librarian      hey! It's going to be a great final.
03:21 space_librarian      And I think it's about 7 weeks now? I lose count...
03:23 gmcharlt             space_librarian: well, if seven weeks feels like two ...
03:23 gmcharlt             ;)
03:23 AmitG                heya galen
03:23 space_librarian      I learn something new everyday. :)
03:40 jcamins_away         AmitG: I think you really need a follow-up patch which changes the frameworks.
03:41 jcamins_away         That is, a follow-up to the analytics branch.
03:41 AmitG                ok sure
03:43 jcamins_away         I really like the Analyze link, though.
03:45 jcamins_away         Also, are there instructions on how to use the new features?
03:50 mtj                  git Q
03:51 mtj                  a command to show files changed, in a git commit?
03:51 mtj                  but *not* actual changes
04:07 gmcharlt             mtj: git show --stat <commithash>
06:02 bg                   heya AmitG
06:02 AmitG                heya bg
06:03 bg                   india made the final :)
06:40 mirbolt              hello. i am currently running 3.00.06, i want to upgrade to 3.2.6. i am wondering should i do an incremental upgrade, e.g. upgrade to 3.2.0, then 3.2.2, etc or just jump straight into 3.2.6?
06:48 magnuse              goood morning #koha!
06:48 bg                   heya magnuse
06:48 magnuse              hi bg
06:50 eythian              mirbolt: test it on a copy of the database, but I think a straight upgrade should work.
06:51 mirbolt              thanks eythian
07:03 bg                   wow it's already that time - heya paul_p
07:03 bg                   :)
07:05 paul_p               hello world
07:05 bg                   hi paul
07:05 paul_p               hi bg (brendan ?)
07:05 bg                   yup
07:05 bg                   new IRC new nick
07:06 paul_p               congrats for your new employees. you'll be more than BibLibre in a few months if you continue growing like that ;-)
07:06 paul_p               (we're 16)
07:06 bg                   heh
07:06 bg                   that would be too fast
07:07 bg                   paul_p++
07:07 paul_p               sustained_but_managed_growth++
07:07 bg                   16 is pretty awesome
07:07 bg                   sustained_but_managed_growth++
07:07 bg                   agreed
07:08 paul_p               yep. Sometimes when I wake up in the morning I think : "hey, you're managing a company that should do 1 million € of income this year. Are you dreaming ?"
07:08 bg                   heh - that keeps me up at night
07:08 bg                   hence why I'm here
07:08 paul_p               (reaching a 7digit number will be a huge step, at least psychollogically speaking ;-) )
07:08 bg                   ;)
07:09 bg                   or maybe it's stupid RFP
07:09 bg                   's that keep me up
07:10 paul_p               the more stupid RFP I ever saw saw one asking, i'm not kidding 1400 questions, and it was a library with 3 librarians and less than 30 000 items !!!
07:10 bg                   OMG
07:11 paul_p               (we did not answer ;-) )
07:11 bg                   good call
07:11 paul_p               another one that was funny was one published on 2011, march, 1st saying "the system will be live on 2011, April 30th"
07:11 bg                   sometimes - I just want to send a single page back that says " YES of course "
07:12 paul_p               (we answered saying: "hey it's impossible, here is our timeline". a new RFP just being issued last week without the "live on april" :D
07:12 paul_p               bg: you mean "yes we can" ? :D
07:12 bg                   :)
07:12 bg                   yup
07:13 rangi                evening
07:13 magnuse              kia ora rangi
07:13 bg                   heya rangi++
07:14 bg                   it's rant about RFP time :)
07:14 bg                   to bad there isn't a proprietary channel
07:14 * magnuse            will get to answer his first rfp soonish, hopefully
07:15 bg                   magnuse - you'll regret those words ;)
07:15 rangi                heh
07:15 magnuse              @wunder marseille
07:15 huginn               magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0�C (9:00 AM CEST on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:15 bg                   @wunder 93109
07:15 huginn               bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.8�C (12:15 AM PDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
07:15 rangi                rfp cost so much to answer
07:15 rangi                i wonder if libraries realise that by using them
07:15 bg                   no they do not
07:15 rangi                they make everything cost more for themselves
07:15 magnuse              rangi: yeah, it seems like a really wasteful process
07:16 magnuse              but on the other hand, it is a way for newcomers like me to get a foot in the door
07:16 rangi                not often
07:16 rangi                open tender works much better for that
07:16 rangi                where you can actually pitch a solution
07:17 bg                   RFP
07:17 rangi                rather than spend weeks answering questions that are pointless
07:17 magnuse              otherwise, i can picture all too vividly averyone just byuing from the same old "safe" vendors
07:17 bg                   's aren't written for open source
07:17 rangi                thats pretty much what they do with RFP
07:17 rangi                because only the same old ones have enough money to spend answering them
07:17 paul_p               hi rangi & magnuse
07:18 rangi                and they are written in a way that makes it hard to answer
07:18 magnuse              open tender? hoe does that work? a library would just say "show us what you got"?
07:18 magnuse              bonjour paul_p
07:18 bg                   and the nice thing about what we do - is that we can do anything
07:18 rangi                when you dont have an out of the box
07:19 rangi                magnuse: yeah basically, 'we want a solution to run our library .. what have you got'
07:19 bg                   it's if you want a system that can meet your needs
07:19 rangi                yeah
07:19 bg                   then let's talk
07:20 magnuse              hmm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_tender
07:20 bg                   magnuse - good luck with your first - best of luck to you..
07:20 rangi                or even an rfp where they have thought about it
07:21 rangi                not cut and paste from 1971 :)
07:21 bg                   magnuse++  you can do it
07:21 magnuse              thanks bg - i just know there is a small consortium that has said they will do an rfp, so i'm waiting for that to happen
07:21 rangi                open tender is what hauraki did
07:21 bg                   :) go for it
07:21 rangi                with the double envelope system
07:21 rangi                koha won on both
07:21 rangi                technical mertis
07:21 rangi                merits
07:22 rangi                and price
07:22 bg                   heh - I liked mertis - sounded better
07:22 kf                   morning #koha
07:22 rangi                lets invent it
07:22 bg                   heya kf
07:22 rangi                hi kf
07:22 magnuse              it's an intersting time in norway - the norwegian vendor of services for aleph have said they will stop selling those services, so libraries using aleph must buy support from abroad or find a new system...
07:22 kf                   hi bg and rangi :)
07:22 kf                   magnuse: weird
07:22 magnuse              guten morgen kf
07:22 rangi                oh its a digital imaging thermometer
07:22 bg                   sounds like a good time for you and koha
07:23 kf                   rangi: are you arond a bit longer?
07:23 rangi                yep
07:23 bg                   rangi is always here
07:23 paul_p               in France, we have a few specialists that help libraries writing RFP. One is well known to have a standard RFP, that is 20years old, and he just changes a few lines since then. So some questions are really funny. Like "how many items can you attach to a given biblio"
07:23 magnuse              bg: yeah, but the problem is getting that foot in the door, and i'm hardly the born salesman
07:23 kf                   hm not always :)
07:24 rangi                paul_p: yep, we may have the same specialists hehe
07:24 paul_p               magnuse, really ? (aleph announcement)
07:24 bg                   yup foot in the door is key...  the nice thing now is that you can let koha talk for you
07:24 rangi                sometimes i think our rfp are written in french, thats how much i understand them :)
07:24 bg                   that's how we did it
07:24 magnuse              paul_p: i recently did a presentation for a consortium of school - they lend out standard text books, so they may have in the area of 10.000 items for some of their records...
07:25 magnuse              bg: trouvle is, i don't think librarians in norway are tuned to a very wide specter of input...
07:25 bg                   heh
07:26 paul_p               magnuse, I propose we will speak of this next week !
07:26 magnuse              paul_p: yes, really
07:26 magnuse              pail_p: definitely!
07:26 * eythian            is off home, but I hope you all read through my plans for the account system on koha-devel and say they're completely perfect :)
07:26 * magnuse            looks at his own spelling with disgust
07:26 rangi                :)
07:26 Space_Librarian_home :)
07:27 rangi                how was the mac and cheese Space_Librarian_home ?
07:27 bg                   I only see something from Robin not eythian
07:27 bg                   heh - that was a response from a RFP
07:27 eythian              bg: yeah, one's a typo for the other
07:27 bg                   just showing how stupid RFP
07:27 bg                   's can be
07:27 Space_Librarian_home will be out the oven in about 5. smells good though
07:28 francharb            morning @koha!
07:28 kf                   hi francharb :)
07:28 magnuse              bonjour francharb
07:29 kf                   only... 3 days now :)
07:29 francharb            ;)
07:29 * bg                 is glad that eythian is working on accountlines
07:29 bg                   eythian++
07:30 rangi                hi francharb
07:30 kf                   eythian++
07:30 kf                   very glad too
07:30 AmitG                heya kf
07:31 * magnuse            is all confused by the new nicks...
07:31 bg                   heh
07:31 * bg                 = brendan
07:31 bg                   also brendan_ = brendan
07:32 francharb            magnuse: never played the game "guess who?" ? http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/guess_who.jpg
07:32 francharb            ;)
07:33 magnuse              francharb: i would stink at that - i'm terrible with names and faces...
07:33 francharb            hehe
07:36 kf                   ok
07:36 kf                   herei s my question :)
07:36 kf                   bug 5839
07:36 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5839 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Add mapping for items.stocknumber to MARC21
07:36 kf                   I don#t understand why it should be wrong to pick 1062
07:36 * magnuse            wanders off to find breakfast
07:36 kf                   because the description of this attribute is exactly what a stocknumber/inventorynumber is
07:37 kf                   as I see it the 8000 are kind of like 9xx in MARC21?
07:38 rangi                hmm
07:38 rangi                i have no idea
07:38 kf                   I asked our format expert
07:38 kf                   she says 1062 is the choice she would have made too :(
07:46 marcelr              morning koha; kf around?
07:46 marcelr              kf: 1062.. please see http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html
07:48 kf                   yep
07:48 kf                   writing comment now
07:48 kf                   Number-local-acquisition 1062           Document acquisition number assigned by the system.
07:48 kf                   that'sit
07:48 kf                   I asked around here at work too - my experts say 1062 is correct
07:49 marcelr              ok
07:49 kf                   sorry :)
07:50 marcelr              and inventory number?
07:50 kf                   didn't want to sound rude or something, only very tired this morning and was away all day yesterday
07:50 kf                   the German word is Inventarnummer
07:50 marcelr              i would prefer inventory
07:50 kf                   so it sounds much better to me
07:50 kf                   I am not sure though that we should rename the index
07:51 kf                   the other index names are called like the fields it seems
07:51 marcelr              signed your first patch alreadu with stock
07:51 kf                   ok
07:51 kf                   so you don't want me to change the naming in the frameworks?
07:51 kf                   the description..
07:51 marcelr              i would prefer to rename
07:52 kf                   index or frameworks?
07:52 kf                   renaming is not a big deal, I only want to avoid confusion
07:52 marcelr              framework at least; we could have indexes withalias
07:53 kf                   hm
07:53 kf                   that about an alias inv
07:53 kf                   what about... sorry
07:53 kf                   I would ike that
07:53 kf                   easy to teach my librarians
07:53 marcelr              so?
07:53 wahanui              so is there an expirationdate and an expiredate?
07:53 kf                   have the full name stocknumber, have an alias inv
07:54 kf                   would that work?
07:54 kf                   for the index
07:54 marcelr              probably
07:54 kf                   and I will change the frameworks too
07:54 marcelr              ok i look for your submit
07:55 kf                   perhaps we should ask some native speakers before we change the descriptions?
07:55 marcelr              i mailed the list yesterday; zeno responded
07:55 kf                   zeno is from italy - not sure if inventory number only sounds better to us
07:55 kf                   becaue it resembles our words for it
07:55 marcelr              maybe someone here??
07:55 kf                   yeah, I hoped someone would say something now.. :)
07:56 kf                   perhaps too early
07:56 marcelr              ye
07:56 kf                   I will ask around when working on the patch later today
07:56 marcelr              ok
07:57 kf                   and thx for testing - hope we find a good solution .)
07:57 marcelr              no problem
07:57 kf                   did you say the patch removing uniqueness from the field?
07:58 marcelr              say or see
07:58 kf                   I followed paul's suggestion - hope that is ok for you too?
07:58 kf                   see
07:58 marcelr              fine
08:07 kf_mtg               ok, meeting time
08:07 paul_p               hi marcelr
08:07 paul_p               kf_mtg, & marcelr = inventory number is perfect for frenchies ! we say "Numéro d'inventaire"
08:12 marcelr              ok
08:15 jenkins_koha         Starting build 92 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:20 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5988 - SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47a53e9132ed613f257aae61958cc9e5c20d91b6> / Fix for Bug 3523 - Menu of existing lists limited to 10 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=731b933d51367489422b90fa7021cfc42c747584> / Merge remote branch 'kc/master' into new/bug_5940 <http://git.koha-commun
08:28 bg                   night #koha
08:28 rangi                night bg
08:30 magnus_laptop        night bg
08:30 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6004/3270: Sending things "home" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a64cfba5e10be80a220f6c8164905788ba5a78b> / Bug 5305: CCL query, then resort, loses reults. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8548b804f49a5e84a64b7caf2457daf1a83f834b>
08:54 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #92: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/92/
08:54 jenkins_koha         * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 5940: Admin Help Files for 3.4
08:54 jenkins_koha         * Nicole C. Engard: Bug5940: Authority, Labels, Circ help files for 3.4
08:54 jenkins_koha         * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 5940: Offline Circ & Patron Card Help Files for 3.4
08:54 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5940 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, Update Help Files for 3.4
08:54 jenkins_koha         * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3523 - Menu of existing lists limited to 10
08:54 jenkins_koha         * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5988 - SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in preferences
08:54 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Menu of existing lists limited to 10
08:55 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5988 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in english opac.pref file
08:55 jenkins_koha         Starting build 93 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:03 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6005: Fixes Transit slips cause FF4 to display "prevent this page from opening... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d707b5e9b7f18351d9b996f5f73a1ae53066080>
09:34 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #93: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/93/
09:34 jenkins_koha         * ruth@bywatersolutions.com: Bug 5305: CCL query, then resort, loses reults.
09:34 jenkins_koha         * ruth@bywatersolutions.com: Bug 6004/3270: Sending things "home"
09:34 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5305 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Resorting results of CCL queries fails in Staff Client
09:34 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6004 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, checking in an item that needs to be transferred home, and is on-hold for a patron, causes dual transfer message box
09:34 jenkins_koha         Starting build 94 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:08 kf                   back
10:11 magnuse              yay!
10:14 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #94: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/94/
10:14 jenkins_koha         root: Bug 6005: Fixes Transit slips cause FF4 to display "prevent this page from opening additional dialogs"
10:14 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6005 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED, Transit slips cause Firefox 4 to display "prevent this page from opening additional dialogs"
10:28 magnuse              o/
10:28 magnuse              wow, is it that time of the day already...
10:29 kf                   you say it
10:29 kf                   and another meeting ahead
10:30 druthb               hi, magnus n cait!  o/
10:30 * gmcharlt           blearily waves from yet another airport
10:31 kf                   paul_p: looking at your mail and the google docs right now :)
10:31 * kf                 waves to gmcharlt
10:31 kf                   need some coffee?
10:32 kf                   \o ruth :)
10:32 * magnuse            hans gmcharlt some coffee
10:32 magnuse              s/hans/hands/
10:33 * magnuse            did the s/// thing in skype chat once and was rather surprised when it actually worked...
10:42 gmcharlt             magnuse: seriously?  wow
10:43 gmcharlt             (and thanks for the coffee ;) )
10:44 magnuse              gmcharlt: yvw - and yes, i think it was skype where s/// worked! i did a double take - "what the dickens just happened there?"
11:45 AmitG                heya jwagner
11:45 jwagner              Hi AmitG
11:45 * jwagner            wishes an excessively happy day to everyone!  It's baseball's Opening Day!  Yippeeeeeee!
11:48 druthb               happy Opening Day, jwagner.  :)
11:48 jwagner              And thanks to whoever posted this link a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KQydlJ-qc
11:49 druthb               hehehe
11:49 kf                   hm dieses video ist in ihrem land nicht verfügbar
11:49 kf                   this video is not available in your coutnry
11:50 jwagner              kf, it's the John Fogerty video of Centerfield -- it was posted a while back when we were talking about baseball.
11:51 kf                   thx jwagner
11:51 kf                   I had this problem with rangi showing me nz music things too
11:51 jwagner              The local news channel has been playing snatches of it, Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days, and other baseball-related songs when they do the Opening Day weather forecast
12:06 kf                   kf_mtg
13:06 oleonard             Cool Bunsen logo on my Google this morning
13:08 oleonard             Geeky enough to know the +1 reference (http://laughingmeme.org/2011/03/30/1-for-knowing-your-history/), but not cool enough to see it in my Google I guess.
13:21 oleonard             Bug 4040 still unsatisfied
13:21 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4040 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Placing a hold on an item while it is in transit results in duplicate dialogs upon check-in
13:21 oleonard             Re-worded it to match the specifics
13:23 oleonard             julian: Where did you take the screenshot attached to bug 5963?
13:24 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5963 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Acquisitions: Add the capability to have a filter by active budget
13:24 julian               oleonard: on the neworderempty.pl page, why?
13:25 oleonard             I want to test it
13:25 julian               Ok, sorry to not mentionned it ;)
13:27 oleonard             I think I understand why the layout is messed up, so I want to see what I can do with it
13:34 oleonard             julian: Besides the layout problem, did you find that the checkbox worked?
13:34 oleonard             It's not clear to me what kind of funds are hidden by default
13:35 wizzyrea             oleonard: was that tested with old holds/already in transit holds or new holds?
13:35 wizzyrea             on 4040
13:35 oleonard             1. Check in item to make it in transit
13:35 oleonard             2. Place hold on item
13:36 oleonard             3. Check in item
13:36 wizzyrea             so you're talking about an item transited home then held/checked out again
13:36 julian               oleonard: in fact i didn't manage to create a fund for an inactive budget, fund is created in database, but does not appear in aqbudgets.pl
13:37 oleonard             wizzyrea: In my test the item is not in transit because of a hold, just because it was it was checked in at another branch
13:37 wizzyrea             right
13:37 wizzyrea             that I don't think is one of our test scenarios, it will be now
13:38 * wizzyrea           tests that
13:42 julian               oleonard: i think the 'hidden by default' funds are the funds that are in an inactive budget
13:46 wizzyrea             oleonard: yep I see
14:16 wizzyrea             hm, have we ever seen the code referenced here? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3246
14:16 huginn               04Bug 3246: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Looking for a way to customize the patron slips (receipts)
14:16 wizzyrea             by drulm
14:16 wizzyrea             drdrulm, that is
14:37 mib_wh0squ           hi a client accidentally deleted a field under "add marc record" how do i put it back? the specific field is personal name
14:38 oleonard             mib_wh0squ: You deleted it in the framework editor?
14:38 mib_wh0squ           yes
14:39 oleonard             Do you have another framework you could copy the details from?
14:39 mib_wh0squ           no
14:40 oleonard             mib_wh0squ: You could use this as a reference: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/mandatory/marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql;h=5b4fa11786627fad5b514b6b5e3328683315279c;hb=HEAD
14:41 oleonard             You could even use that to send a direct update to mysql if you have access to it.
14:41 * oleonard           's power goes out. Glad for the battery backup.
14:41 * oleonard           had better shut down just in case
14:44 mib_wh0squ           thanks will try it
14:47 tcohen               hi #koha
14:47 tcohen               it was a nice thread on koha-devel about the workflow
14:48 paul_p               hi tcohen
15:00 rhcl                 can anybody recommend a good, intro level sql book w/ lots of examples for our tech services people?
15:00 oleonard             That was faster than I expected.
15:04 rhcl                 we're getting a "connect failed to z3950.loc.gov" (and other z3950 sites).  Is anybody else having z39.50 problems?
15:06 rhcl                 w/in Koha, I should specify. We can ping it and even http it.
15:11 oleonard             rhcl: I got z39.50 results back from LOC just fine
15:12 rhcl                 telnet z3950.loc.gov 7090 connects, but our koha clients (reflecting the server?) can't
15:13 oleonard             I have a question about Koha/MARC links
15:13 oleonard             On marctagstructure.pl it says "If you change the link between a MARC subfield and a non-MARC field, ask your administrator to run misc/batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script"
15:14 oleonard             On marc_subfields_structure.pl, next to the "link" field, it says "Warning: This value should not change after data has been added to your catalog"
15:14 oleonard             Are these not talking about the same thing?
15:16 oleonard             Hi ether
15:24 * jwagner            harrumphs.  Four hours into my working day, I can finally get started on my "real" work that I was planning on doing today....
15:30 tcohen               rhcl: r u running telnet on the koha server?
15:44 rhcl                 OK, appears to be a DNS problem--changed to a known good DNS server from our ISP and we're back
16:19 Oak                  \o
16:20 magnuse              o/
16:21 oleonard             |o|
16:23 oleonard             wizzyrea: Have you seen damaged items show up on the holds queue report lately?
16:30 oleonard             Hm, perhaps the holds queue report doesn't exclude damaged items? I thought it did
16:32 oleonard             No, I guess not. It checks for notforloan, itemlost, and wthdrawn
16:41 oleonard             Bug 4870 I guess
16:41 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves
16:51 oleonard             wizzyrea: I took a stab and a partial fix for Bug 4870 and could use your feedback on that and my comments there
16:51 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves
16:53 tcohen               hi ti all, i'd like to ask if anyone has any thoughts on zebraqueue_daemon making it into 3.4
16:55 oleonard             tcohen: Offer fabulous prize in exchange for a patch sign-off? :)
16:55 tcohen               i even have it signed-off by julian from biblibre!
16:56 tcohen               i can make argentina loose against nz in a seven match :-P
16:57 tcohen               i can offer a great asado in the second half of may that i'll be in spain for some days
16:58 oleonard             tcohen: If you've got a signoff then you're in good shape. You'll just have to wait and see from here.
17:01 tcohen               oleonard: thanks, i realized feature freeze was tomorrow (perhaps today in nz) so i got impatient hehe
17:10 sekjal               tcohen:  is the bug report updated to Patch-Sent and Signed Off?
17:12 kf_mtg               oleonard: wondered about your patch for damaged items holds
17:12 kf_mtg               should this not be controlled by AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems?
17:12 kf_mtg               our libraries don't take damaged items out of circulation
17:12 kf_mtg               it's only additional information, so borrower is not charged on return
17:13 kf_mtg               item was damaged already on checkout
17:13 oleonard             kf_mtg: I wasn't aware of that preference. The holds queue build script didn't take it into account
17:14 oleonard             So perhaps the holds queue script should ignore the damaged status if AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems is set to "allow"
17:14 kf_mtg               yep
17:14 kf_mtg               :)
17:15 kf_mtg               have to leave now - will be back from h ome a little later
17:35 rangi                tcohen: the feature freeze im not going to stop anything thats already been submitted for signoff
17:35 rangi                only new stuff so you are fine
17:35 rangi                anything that is in the signed-off
17:35 rangi                or needs signoff queue is still eligible
17:36 rangi                any new feature that isnt in either otoh .. that ill set to 3.6
17:36 magnuse              yay!
17:37 rangi                so any patches you havent sent yet, do it now! :)
17:37 * oleonard           is typing as fast as he can
17:37 rangi                :)
17:38 * magnuse            has sent all the patches he meant to do now
17:38 rangi                bug fixes will be accepted after
17:38 rangi                its just new features this freeze is for
17:38 magnuse              that's cool
17:43 jwagner              rangi, sorry, when is the freeze again?
17:43 jwagner              I have a bug fix I need to send in; just haven't got it done yet.
17:44 rangi                feauture freeze is end of april 1 in whatever timezone you are (april 2 nztime essentially)
17:44 rangi                string freeze is 8th april
17:44 jwagner              Ah.  So I'd better get it in today or tomorrow, then :-)
17:45 jwagner              It's a fix, not a new feature.
17:45 rangi                any bugs that change templates need to be in by the 8th
17:45 rangi                yeah that has until the 8th
17:45 rangi                or longer if it doesnt touch templates
17:45 jwagner              OK, will try to get it done.  It doesn't touch templates.
17:50 nengard_lunch        magnuse i tested the patch for bug 5671
17:50 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5671 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED, Add a column of custom HTML to "my summary"
17:50 nengard_lunch        and added comments
17:51 magnuse              thanks nengard, i'll see to fixing that as soon as i can (but the tabs were ok for me, hm...)
17:51 nengard              and now i see that sekjal was also testing at the same time
17:51 nengard              i missed his comments
17:52 nengard              i'm in FF4 if that helps with the tabs
17:52 sekjal               and I'm in FF 3.6
17:52 rangi                you should definitely note that on bugs nengard
17:52 nengard              i usually do
17:52 rangi                because most ppl wont be running 4 yet
17:52 nengard              just rushing around today
17:53 rangi                cool
17:55 * magnuse            is flattered to have his patch tested so quickly, and embarassed to cause errors...
17:57 nengard              magnuse it's an awesome feature so of course we jumped on testing it :) hehe
17:57 nengard              and we all make mistakes
17:59 magnuse              thanks
18:10 rangi                nice work by slef
18:11 rangi                http://lisvendor.info/index.php?title=Main_Page
18:11 rangi                got the license changed to CC-BY
18:12 rangi                ok, lots of meetings today, i should go make myself look presentable
18:12 rangi                bbiab
18:13 * oleonard           ducks out early
18:18 magnuse              slef++
18:24 cait                 hi all
18:37 tcohen               rangi: thanks for your answer, maybe some day i'll cook a big asado for you
18:38 magnuse              nengard, sekjal: i can't seem to reproduce those broken tabs - tried ff 3.6 on win & linux, 4 on os x...
18:39 magnuse              but when i try to lend something now i get this: Can't call method "output" on an undefined value at /home/magnus/kohahead/C4/Circulation.pm line 2713. anyone seen that? line 2713 is: if ( $hardduedate->output('iso') && $hardduedate->output('iso')         ne '0000-00-00') {
18:53 rangi                back
18:53 bg                   wb
18:55 sekjal               magnuse:  whoops
18:55 sekjal               should probably be testing on $hardduedate, not the output
19:00 rangi                hmm when did that sneak in
19:06 magnuse              sekjal, rangi: you mean i'm not going mad after all?
19:06 sekjal               magnuse:  nope, my fault
19:08 * cait               waves to rangi
19:08 rangi                heya cait
19:10 sekjal               magnuse:  do you have an applicable circ rule for the combo of branch/itemtype/patron category you're using?
19:10 rangi                did you hear sirsidynix have decided to reignite horizon development?
19:11 cait                 oh!
19:11 magnuse              sekjal: actually, i don't think i have
19:12 magnuse              sekjal: removing 2x ->output('iso')�made the error go away
19:12 cait                 is there news somewhere?
19:12 sekjal               okay, that's it.   I've got record of this coming up in testing, but no followup
19:12 sekjal               so, it looks like HardDueDates break the default circ period of 21 days
19:14 rangi                I think I read it in library news weekly
19:14 * wizzyrea           makes note of the date in NZ
19:14 rangi                :P
19:15 wizzyrea             but yea, horizon, srsly.
19:16 cait                 hmpf
19:16 cait                 *sighs*
19:16 * cait               makes a mental note: no cookies for rangi today
19:16 rangi                hehe
19:17 cait                 we migrated our first library from horizon to koha this month - and they  seem very happy so far :)
19:18 rangi                yay
19:21 rangi                SpaceLibrarian_home: how are we gonna top drinking with the national librarian today?
19:23 sekjal               magnuse:  you only need to remove the first ->output('iso'); the second checks for data integrity and such
19:23 sekjal               submitting a follow up patch now
19:28 magnuse              sekjal: right you are
19:28 cait                 ah
19:28 cait                 I wanted to ask something once more people are around :)
19:29 cait                 stock number? inventory number? accession number? What is the right description for the new field stocknumber in items? we have some votes on inventory number at the moment
19:32 cait                 hm
19:32 sekjal               magnuse:  patch sent
19:35 SpaceLibrarian_home  rangi: I'm not entirely sure...
19:36 SpaceLibrarian_home  I'm sure we can think of something.
19:36 SpaceLibrarian_home  wizzyrea: I made mac cheese last night too. It was fantastic. ;)
19:37 wizzyrea             SpaceLibrarian_home:
19:37 wizzyrea             nice!
19:37 wizzyrea             oops lol
19:37 wizzyrea             yay for international dinner synchronicity
19:37 wizzyrea             !
19:38 SpaceLibrarian_home  yes!
19:41 wizzyrea             do you think this is too many tabs? http://screencast.com/t/5XeH4rBg3
19:43 schuster             Is there an easy way to pull the summary from a group of books via sql?
19:43 rangi                wizzyrea: yes, yes i do
19:47 schuster             hmmm dropped in on rangi's comment to wizzyrea - yes yes I do....  have to go back and read...  I found abstract for my question so I'm good thanks!
19:56 rangi                sekjal: bug 4157
19:56 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4157 enhancement, P5, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Display of barcode in checked out items in OPAC
19:57 sekjal               rangi:  right
19:59 SpaceLibrarian_home  right. time for work. bbiab. :)
20:03 rangi                the transport matrix one is up too :) getting htere
20:04 cait                 dealing with biblibre's branches?
20:05 rangi                no those are new work ones, biblibres branches are pretty much done
20:07 rangi                sekjal: bug 5578
20:07 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5578 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, SCO using login for authentication
20:07 rangi                is that what the follow up is for?
20:08 sekjal               oh geeze, did I get the wrong number?
20:08 sekjal               argh
20:08 rangi                that one hasnt been pushed yet, so im guessing so :)
20:08 rangi                tell the right number ill commit --amend :)
20:08 sekjal               5548
20:08 sekjal               so, I was close :)
20:09 rangi                :)
20:10 cait                 rangi :cool :)
20:12 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5548' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=849342e3f513f4b48d9c9e5a9ce3f4bb49b9dc73> / Bug 5578 Followup: Hard Due Dates break hard-coded default circ rule <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d6fa48d19b6e5c5ab5c0d16f17a588f56a39870>
20:14 schuster             bug 5548
20:14 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5548 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Hard Due Dates Circ Rule
20:14 sekjal               rangi: thanks
20:15 rangi                no problemo
20:15 jenkins_koha         Starting build 95 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:15 rangi                its pretty sweet how fast it was caught and fixed
20:21 cait                 oh bug 6024
20:21 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6024 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Run a Report immediately after creating or editing
20:22 cait                 that's a good thing
20:22 rangi                yup
20:22 rangi                thanks space_librarian for making the bug
20:23 space_librarian      I got it right?
20:23 rangi                yup
20:23 space_librarian      :)
20:25 cait                 :)
20:26 rangi                ohh heres a handy one!
20:26 rangi                http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=78bcff64c24f18389e46c2940ad8f01cd374d144
20:26 sekjal               neat!
20:27 rangi                ill just fix the license and copyright and send the patch
20:29 rangi                i love git add ; git commit --amend
20:34 bg                   @wunder 93109
20:34 huginn               bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 33.6�C (1:34 PM PDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling).
20:34 bg                   man it's freaking hot here today...
20:35 * bg                 is almost ready to work in the buff
20:35 wizzyrea             !!!
20:36 rangi                thank god there isnt webcams in irc
20:36 bg                   :D
20:36 bg                   @wunder wellington nz
20:36 huginn               bg: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on April 01, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
20:36 bg                   wanna trade rangi?
20:37 wizzyrea             @wunder lawrence ks
20:37 huginn               wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 4.8�C (3:37 PM CDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Falling).
20:37 rangi                naw, im wearing long sleeves
20:37 wizzyrea             yea, eat it
20:37 wizzyrea             it's cold here.
20:40 bg                   I walk outside and melt
20:40 cait                 @wunder Konstanz
20:40 huginn               cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.9�C (10:40 PM CEST on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
20:41 gmcharlt             @wunder 32605
20:41 huginn               gmcharlt: The current temperature in Central Gainesville, Gainesville, Florida is 23.6�C (4:42 PM EDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.57 in 1001.2 hPa (Steady).
20:41 gmcharlt             the rain is following me
20:41 rangi                heh
20:42 bg                   rain rain go away
20:55 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #95: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/95/
20:55 jenkins_koha         Ian Walls: Bug 5578 Followup: Hard Due Dates break hard-coded default circ rule
20:55 rangi                cool
22:04 eythian              @wunder honiara
22:04 huginn               eythian: The current temperature in Honiara / Henderson, Solomon Islands is 25.0�C (8:00 AM SBT on April 01, 2011). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
22:04 eythian              that's what I remember, a nice cool morning there :)
22:06 jcamins_away         eythian: is there any log from rebuild_zebra with the packages?
22:07 eythian              jcamins_away: not as such, but any messages it produces will be emailed to root by cron.
22:07 jcamins_away         Hm.
22:07 jcamins_away         So what do you do if your system inexplicably stops searching?
22:07 jcamins_away         (after a reindex)
22:08 eythian              check the daemon is running (sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart)
22:08 eythian              to do a full index, I usually do, e.g:
22:08 eythian              sudo -u 'opus-koha' -H env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib KOHA_CONF='/etc/koha/sites/opus/koha-conf.xml' /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -v -r
22:08 jcamins_away         Okay, thanks.
22:09 eythian              although there is a patch that I haven't done anything with just yet to give the rebuild script the option to be verbose.
22:09 eythian              (as in, the package rebuild script)
22:09 jcamins_away         If you submit it before the end of the day, I'll sign off on it before string freeze. :)
22:10 eythian              I'll try to do that :) when's the end of your day?
22:10 eythian              actually, I'll just do it after writing this email.
22:10 jcamins_away         No, not my end of day.
22:10 jcamins_away         Your end of day.
22:10 eythian              oh, OK
22:10 jcamins_away         Chris said anything that's not been sent to the list by the end of your day can't get in.
22:10 rangi                jcamins_away: thats feature freeze
22:10 rangi                string freeze isnt until the 8th
22:11 jcamins_away         Oh.
22:11 eythian              it's still a feature :)
22:11 jcamins_away         I meant feature freeze.
22:11 rangi                if its a bug, its ok, new feature today is cut off
22:11 rangi                yep
22:13 jcamins_away         Either way, end of the day for eythian, not for me.
22:14 jcamins_away         ;)
22:14 cait                 oh
22:14 cait                 I thought end of 1st my day?
22:15 rangi                ill let you do that
22:15 cait                 not sure I will make it though... but still a chance then :)
22:15 jcamins_away         cait: but that's for features from you.
22:15 jcamins_away         And eythian is in NZ. ;)
22:17 cait                 aha!
22:28 eythian              jcamins_away: just checked that patch, looks good, will send it soon.
22:28 jcamins_away         Thanks.
22:29 jcamins_away         I won't be able to sign off on it until Saturday, but this way Chris might be willing to include it in 3.4.
22:29 rangi                as long as its submitted for signoff, its eligible
22:33 eythian              jcamins_away: Bug 6031
22:33 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6031 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, koha-rebuild-zebra doesn't allow XML and verbose indexing
22:34 jcamins_away         Thanks.
22:34 jcamins_away         eythian++
22:38 cait                 ok, time to get some sleep - so I get a chance to make use of tomorrow :)
22:38 cait                 good night all
22:38 rangi                :)
22:38 rangi                night
22:58 rangi                jcamins_away: what do you reckon the chances are of getting in the osslabs analytics work
22:59 rangi                given colin and you both seem mostly happy with it, im pretty inclined to merge it in
23:00 jcamins_away         Hm.
23:00 jcamins_away         That's reasonable.
23:00 jcamins_away         My one concern is that they still don't populate even the default framework.
23:00 rangi                afaict it causes no regressions
23:00 rangi                ahh maybe ill wait for that and ping them on that
23:00 rangi                say thats what is holding back it being merged
23:00 rangi                ta
23:01 jcamins_away         Once you work out *why* the analytics stuff doesn't work, it works well, but every time I've tested (on different data), it's taken me hours to realize that's the problem.
23:02 rangi                yeah that sounds like something that should be fixed first
23:02 rangi                righto thanks
23:02 jcamins_away         You're welcome.
23:13 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5990: Lists and Cart show LOC code not Location Authorized value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=90392c19cc343ada611c1f06e4b5c20f3dd6dc93> / Bumping database version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1331722f116d7dce313bb37c100f235d468d3a6> / Bug 5957: Making COiNS in OPAC search results optional <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c
23:15 jenkins_koha         Starting build 96 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:55 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #96: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/96/
23:55 jenkins_koha         * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5828 - notes for purchase suggestions not showing in the staff client
23:55 jenkins_koha         * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 4943: Search history cookie size limit
23:55 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5828 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, notes for purchase suggestions not showing in the staff client
23:55 jenkins_koha         * Ian Walls: Bug 5957: Making COiNS in OPAC search results optional
23:55 jenkins_koha         * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version number
23:55 jenkins_koha         * Ian Walls: Bug 5990: Lists and Cart show LOC code not Location Authorized value
23:55 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4943 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Search history cookie size limit
23:55 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5957 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, COiNS in the OPAC search results should be optional
23:55 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5990 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Lists and Cart show LOC code, not Location Authorized value
23:58 rangi                whoa what a dick
23:58 jcamins_away         "The seventeen that say what they do?"
23:58 rangi                yeah
23:59 rangi                from a liblimer no less
23:59 jcamins_away         But, hey, what do I know?
23:59 jcamins_away         I just read the manual.
23:59 rangi                would