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that pregnancy or agonizing over an abortion that they have had in the past.because
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what we, what we need to avoid doing is being judgemental of folks who've made that choice and, and
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are in pain for the rest of their lives over it. who worry about was that something wrong that they did? and so on. so as
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and that is, i think probably the biggest motivator
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from the choice side is to say, don't judge me for this
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and who do you think you are? it's because the conflict is not
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like most of our conflicts are politically where it is say the right to
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life, liberty, pursuit of happiness as the three big categories. that's typically most of our struggles are
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one person's right to their liberty versus another person's right to their liberty. for example, one person wants to, to build a
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second story on house, and that then blocks the view of the person who's been living next door all along, who used to see the mountains.and if they put that
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second story, they no longer can see the mountains. so one person's liberty versus another person's liberty. here's the choice between one person's liberty and another person's life
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the mom's liberty to what she gets to do, her choice for her own realm, her body, as personal as it possibly could get,
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versus the right to life for the one inside. and to struggle over when that life begins in order to make the right decision
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that, i think, is not our choice. that's, i think, that was the choice of the creator who endowed us all with our right to life
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and the government does not get to decide. i know that was what the struggle was with the 1973 supreme court
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when they were thinking about viability and so on.and i'll have to disagree with you on this, dane. you said
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"and that's a problem now that viability keeps getting younger and younger because of technology."
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i think that's the joy in it. that's the good news
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well, i didn't mean to state that the viability itself is a problem. i meant to state that drawing the line
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and saying that that's the arbitrary legal line we're going to draw is a problem
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because you can't set the limit at third trimester where it was set when viability
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now exceeds, now goes back before that
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so if you're going to draw the line at viability, you need to draw it at viability, not at an arbitrary trimester where viability used to be.
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your starting point is the point of conception. and i accept that how, however, that may not be how me on a personal level feels and
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while i acknowledge and accept it for you,and this is just hypothetically, that may not be what my choice is. and so
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then you have the argument of, well, what you feel is in the best interest is
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maybe not what i feel in the best interest. and so like dane says, where do you draw that line?
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because as i say, i acknowledge that the line is drawn at conception. i disagree
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and so now all of a sudden you've got an argument.well, this is a-
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woody, who was that you told me? someone coming out of buffalo springfield that ended up in the birds
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no, it was david crosby was in the birds at the same time that buffalo springfield was doing their thing and they
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it is buffalo springfield, the birds, and manassas that all kind of ...
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cool group of folk, man. i probably have a copy of all of their music on vinyl
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from back in the day with some good, good stylus scratches in them. and i got
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you'll see her take on this issue or maybe the broader point that we're exploring that is who do we want for president after we're finally rid of
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you'd be running an fm station and, playing some great tunes and probably turning a turntable to do it too.so anyway,
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i have a turntable that is not functioning. someone, and
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i'm not going to name their four names, but i do have four kids. and one of them
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probably knows what happened to my stylus, the needle on my-but i've got this awesome dual turntable
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old dual turntable that has-it's very directional in its the pressure
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that's placed down onto the vinyl onto the record when you put it on there. and you could put this thing at any angle and it will still play just anyway, it just
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has this dampening kind of hydraulic that very slowly rests the needle down on the record.it's cool to watch and
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and for a couple reasons though. i still have it. it doesn't, doesn't plug in with a usb connector, but i need to get it all-
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for that being becoming-and i think that the democrats know that very well. and so engaging folks like me
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there's something about that. you put the stylus down on the
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record and you hear the hiss start and the little pops before the music comes in and you know we're about to get into the music.
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that's so good. woody's behind the glass shaking his head, but that was something that we used to try to cut out. we wanted to avoid. and now it's kind of-we are nostalgic about it.
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the anticipation, the expectation. the music's about to start
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yeah. something about that. like you said, once you put that record needle down and you can just hear it in the groove, and it-
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...you know, for me, the one that stands out the most is hotel california. i still remember the pattern of the pops-
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...before the music would start. it's just like, "oh, oh, here it comes."
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yeah.yeah. and as you know, i talked a couple weeks ago. with my hang on sloopy album-
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...or i think it's called sloopy album. anyway, it starts out, i think it's the first album that the mccoys put out-
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...and it starts out with this little ditty that they just... a lot of drums and some bass hitting it. and then they all stop, and he goes-
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...the anticipation of the crackle and then the hiss, and then it starts up, and we're the mccoys.okay. hey, we are talking about-
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...about what we're looking for in our next president. and thank god this president, barack obama's administration is coming to an end-
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...in less than two years, and we get to replace him with someone, hopefully a vast improvement. that's what i'm looking for dane torbenson's-
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...joining me across the table, and we're talking about that. and we'll get back into what dane's looking for-
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...in a democratic, assuming he's voting democrat again, a democrat president, but-
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...we'll get his take on it. seems like most people calling in are talking about democratic preference for president.
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...but we have alan on the line. alan wants to chime and give his opinion, alan, good morning. thanks for calling in.
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good morning. yeah i always liked, as far as policy, calvin coolidge was my favorite president because he did nothing.
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-you're talking about abortion, or anything major like that, if a government-
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...gives a ruling in place of a creator, then those who don't worship the creator, but-
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...worship the government, go along with what the government says, regardless of what's actually true. what's actually right.
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...right. and so if you have someone who stands in place of-
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...of the god of the universe, and says, "well, this is how life should be.
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...this is it." and everybody else knows, "oh, good opinion. we can go along with that." if government's out of things, if they're out of marriage, if they're out of-
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...life decisions, major huge things, if they don't even have a say in it-
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...and you leave that up to the church, as the church's role should be, then it's-
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...it's not on your government anymore, and you can't legislate it anymore. you know, you leave it up to-
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-completely. i think that the battle should be in the hearts and minds and the-
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...marketplace of ideas to convince people that affecting individual people and convincing-
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...them that to get them to believe that abortion is wrong or something, a choice they should not make-
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...or vice versa, convincing them that this is something that women should decide for themselves.
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...and why do we need to have the government mandate one choice or another? why not-
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...let the ideas get out there, and instead of forcing people, let them decide and-
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...come to their own conclusions about what is right for them in their life.
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right, and then i agree also then, and then allow that same principle to go in with tobacco use, with medical-
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...marijuana use, with, in my case, traffic laws, i don't know, but let the market decide, well, there's-
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...more injury because of this, so then people won't vote with their dollar that way.
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so alan, let me ask if your mind goes the same direction mine is in, and obviously i want to pique-
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...dane's interest in response on this. and that is at some point we do ask the government to get involved, and it's written-
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...written in the declaration of independence. the purpose of government is to ensure the rights that are endowed-
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...to us by our creator. that's how the wording is written in our founding document. we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, among those, to life, liberty, and-
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...pursuit of happiness, and governments are instituted among men to ensure these rights. so at some point, we invite the government in to-
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...to ensure our rights, but to define those rights, that's the issue, i think.
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...and alan, tell me if this is where you're coming from as well, that when the supreme court in 1973 roe versus wade decision said-
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...you can begin some restrictions on abortion in the second semester, and even more so in the-
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...third semester, but life begins really at birth, at the first breath taken outside-
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...the womb. that's when they have the full complement of personhood and rights. then the supreme court, the government-
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...then took the place of god, took the place of the creator, in endowing people with their right to life.
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another caller on the line from cheyenne, on the same topic, wants to call in. peter. good morning.
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morning guys. just about five or 10 minutes ago, you were speaking of freedom-
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...and the freedom of a mother whose body... within her has a created being and-
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...and the mother's dna, and the child's dna are completely and totally-
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...identifiably different. so the life within her has freedom-
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...to life within her, and should be protected entirely until it is born to breathe air-
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...of life and death to that child too, whose dna is unique to it, he or she should-
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...i say. [crosstalk 00:07:22], it's unique, and it has its freedom-
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