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Re: Power, signal surges in home... [email protected] (Chris Lewis) writes: > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Sc > >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Doug > >>In article <randall.735251839@woof> [email protected] (Randall Rhea) wri > > >> Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, > >> that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. Ham rigs > > >>Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for > >>just the amplifier. I can just see it. You need to slow > >>down on a downgrade, so you hit the push to talk button. > > >Now, that indeed is possible. A good friend of mine is running about 1 KW > >PeP from his car. Yes, he does have a second alternator. Yes, he calls > >the rig an "electronic brake" since the engine noticeably slows when the > >key is down. > > It has been a while since I knew the electronics of ham radio, but I seem > to remember that PeP is actually 4x the "real" power. Which makes 1KW PeP > actually around 250W. Or was it 2x? I disremember. > > "Effective transmitted power" is also "odd", in that it takes into account > antenna height and geometry. Which is why a TV station with a 50KW Klystron > might advertise a megawatt (if their antenna is on the top of the > CN tower ;-). > > This is like Sears HP ;-) > > Though, 1500 real watts still isn't impossible. About 125-150A with > a 12V alternator, less if the alternator produces higher voltages. > > It's only three horsepower (taking into account inefficiencies). You'll > feel it when you hit the key. But not too much. > -- > Chris Lewis; [email protected]; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541 > Psroff 3.0 info: [email protected] > Ferret list: [email protected] It sorta depends on what you drive. I remember running a two channel Motorola with a vibrator power supply and about 40 tubes in a 1958 Volkwagen. The poor little 6 V generator had a heck of a time, and if you keyed the mic at night, you needed to be stationary, because your lights got AWFUL DIM. Isn't progress wonderful? [email protected] (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC)

Re: detecting double points in bezier curves In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ferdinand Oeinck) writes: |> I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double |> point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. |> |> An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated, There was a very useful article in one of the 1989 issues of Transactions On Graphics. I believe Maureen Stone was one of the authors. Sorry not to be more specific. I don't have the reference here with me. The article actually was more general than this, giving a way to decide whether a given (cubic) Bezier curve contains cusps, intersection points or whatever wierdness. The same treatment is also available in SIGGRAPH 89 course notes for the course called "Math for Siggraph" or something like that. -- dr memory [email protected]

Re: What RIGHT ? [email protected] (Joakim Ruud) writes: >Recently, I've asked myself a rather interesting question: What RIGHT does >god have on our lives (always assuming there is a god, of course...!) ?? >In his infinite wisdom, he made it perfectly clear that if we don't live >according to his rules, we will burn in hell. Well, with what RIGHT can god >make that desicion? Let's say, for the sake of argument, that god creates every >one of us (directly or indirectly, it doesn't matter.). What then happens, is >that he first creates us, and then turns us lose. Well, I didn't ask to be >created. i guess i ought not conclude from this, then, that since you didn't ask to be created, you don't care if you go to hell. :) >Let's make an analogue. If a scientist creates a unique living creature (which >has happened, it was even patented...!!!), does he then have the right to >expect it to behave in a certain matter, or die...? >Who is god to impose its rules on us ? Who can tell if god is REALLY so >righteous as god likes us to believe? Are all christians a flock of sheep, >unable to do otherwise that follow the rest? i don't consider myself an unthinking sheep. the bible says god created us to be in communion and obedience to him. the first and only rule was to not eat of a certain tree, or else the punishment is distance from him and physical death. god's intention in creating us is to have a relationship with us. the bible documents god's attempts to have that relationship culminating in the person of jesus to bear the consequences of all sin so that all who accept him can have a relationship with god again: the purpose of creation. who is god to impose rules on us? he's god and he created us. i suppose he has a right based on who he is. above you mention "In his infinite wisdom", and that's what i'd say god exemplifies. but if you were being sarcastic up there, then this whole discussion is irrelevant, eh? and if we believe god is infinitely wise, that belief should inform our relationship with him.

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Re: FBI Director's Statement on Waco Standoff In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ed McGuire) writes: >In <[email protected]> news&aio.jsc.nasa.gov (USENET) News (brenda kenworthy) writes: > >>And another thing that puzzles >>me--why are they finding dead bodies inside who had bullet holes already in >>them??? Don't you think it's possible that Koresh shot the TRAITORS rather >>than letting them out??? > >Possible. I wouldn't put it past him. It is also possible that they >were hit by rounds exploding in the extreme heat. Remember that kept >the cops away for hours. I have only heard that bodies were found >shot, not any coroner's cause of death. So far, the medical examiner (according to the news) has found NO EVIDENCE of gunshot wounds in bodies so far examined. If this continues to be the case, it will sort of shoot holes (pun intended) in the FBI story, wouldn't it? And cartridges going off outside a firearm do not launch a bullet like they do when fired from a gun. The bullet hardly moves, it is the brass casing that goes flying, and then with less than lethal force. It will hurt, yes, but not KILL you - I doubt if it wil penetrate a coat, for example. How about an INDEPENDENT investigation, with full subpoena powers, and powers to prosecute on felony charges, to investigate for any possible illegal/criminal activity on the part of both the BATF and FBI? I cannot see any reason why not - to use the phrase they like to use so often, "if they have nothing to hide..." they should welcome it, and vigorously support it. Note that an internal investigation by the Dept of Justice is NOT an independent investigation... -- [email protected] [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien

Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) Charles Kincy ([email protected]) wrote: : : All I have to say is...yeah, right. If you're willing to pay them : mucho big bucks and/or use the routines *they* tell you to do. : Doesn't sound very reasonable to me. All I have to say is this is full of shit. I have negotiated a license and the bucks are incredibly reasonable with an upfront charge on a sliding scale depending on your capitalization. If you are a startup and can't afford it you can't afford to start up in the first place. Why do people insist on making unequivocal statements about that which they know nothing. : : But I don't guess PKP and RSA are interested in big bucks. Maybe : they have some other agenda? Secure communications only for : government agents, perhaps? Have you considered treatment for paranoia? The government is the single biggest thorn in RSA's side. : : Some limitation. Let me guess: don't use the code in any way PKP or : RSA doesn't like....such as...providing secure communications for the : average citizen. That was exactly its purpose if you know anything about it. There is nothing at all preventing the average citizen using it, only selling it. : : I hope my cynicism is misplaced here. Go ahead...I'm not afraid to : be wrong every once in a while. But, I have an uneasy feeling that I : am right. :( It is and you are wrong yet you emotionally state a bunch of crap as fact with a tiny disclaimer at the end. Check your facts first and grow up. Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography and immaturity I wonder. Bob Cain (normally [email protected])

FORGED POSTING -- FORGED POSTING -- FORGED POSTING THE FOLLOWING POSTING WAS FORGED IN MY NAME! PLEASE IGNORE SUCH POSTINGS! [FORGED] Newsgroups:soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics. [FORGED] soviet,soc.culture.greek [FORGED] From: [email protected] (David Davidian) [FORGED] News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 [FORGED] Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center [FORGED] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 21:36:00 GMT [FORGED] Lines: 293 [FORGED] [FORGED] Dear friends, [FORGED] [FORGED] I am a graduate student in Education at the University of Tennessee. [FORGED] . . . [FORGED] [FORGED] [FORGED] __QUESTIONNAIRE__ [FORGED] Teaching Music for deaf children. [FORGED] [FORGED] NAME ________________________________ [FORGED] ADDRESS/ E-MAIL _____________________ [FORGED] EMPLOYING INSTITUTION _______________ [FORGED] YEARS OF EXPERIENCE_________ GRADE LEVEL(S)____ [FORGED] EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND:BACHELOR__ MASTERS__ DOCTORATE__ [FORGED] PROFESSIONAL FIELD:SPECIAL EDUC.__ MUSIC EDUC.__ OTHER*__ THE ABOVE POSTING WAS FORGED IN MY NAME! PLEASE IGNORE SUCH POSTINGS! -- David Davidian [email protected] | "How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992

Re: Video in/out In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Marta Lyall) writes: > Organization: "A World of Information at your Fingertips" > Keywords: > > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Craig S. Williamson) writes: >> >>I'm getting ready to buy a multimedia workstation and would like a little >>advice. I need a graphics card that will do video in and out under windows. >>I was originally thinking of a Targa+ but that doesn't work under Windows. >>What cards should I be looking into? >> >>Thanks, >>Craig >> >>-- >> "To forgive is divine, to be >>-Craig Williamson an airhead is human." >> [email protected] -Balki Bartokomas >> [email protected] (home) Perfect Strangers > > > Craig, > > You should still consider the Targa+. I run windows 3.1 on it all the > time at work and it works fine. I think all you need is the right > driver. > > Josh West > email: [email protected] > AT&T also puts out two new products for windows, Model numbers elude me now, a 15 bit video board with framegrabber and a 16bit with same. Yesterday I was looking at a product at a local Software ETC store. Media Vision makes a 15bit (32,768 color) frame capture board that is stand alone and doesnot use the feature connector on your existing video card. It claims upto 30 fps live capture as well as single frame from either composite NTSC or s-video in and out. Don Lewis <[email protected]>

Re: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ?? I look at zApp and really liked it. However, I think you should wait for version 2.0 (I think it will be out soon). Mike Maley [email protected]

Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Isaac Kuo) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) writes: [...] > >You are speculating that the FBI purposely started the fire?!?!? Please, >if you've got such a ridiculously extraordinary claim, and have no evidence >whatsoever, at least give us a speculatory reason why the FBI would want to >do such a thing. > >The possibility that the fire was started accidentally is much more reasonable, >but we don't have anything but contradictory anecdotal evidence right now. >-- >*Isaac Kuo ([email protected]) * ___ Mr. Kuo: I don't recall seeing your byline around much before (at least on t.p.m). Let me clue you in on this newsgroup. t.p.m is populated largely by people whose hatred for the U.S. government, especially the government of Mr. Clinton, is literally boundless. To these people, the suggestion that agents of the U.S. government would carry out a spectacular massacre of its own citizens, in full view of TV cameras, is not an 'extraordinary claim'. It's just another day in the life of these United States. They don't have to suggest any reason why the FBI would want to publicly massacre citizens. Have you seen 'The Crying Game'? "It's in their nature". Don Pajerek Standard disclaimers apply.

Seizure information - infant Here is the tollfree hotline for the Epilepsy Foundation of America - 1-800-EFA-1000. They will be able to answer your questions and send you information and references on seizure types, medication, etc. They can also give you references for a pediatric neorologist in your area. Also ask for the number of your local Foundation who can put you in touch with a Parent Support Group and social workers. Good Luck.

Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: ... So how about this? Give the winning group (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year moratorium on taxes. You are talking about the bozos who can't even manage in November to keep promises about taxes made in October, and you expect them to make (and keep!) a 50-year promise like that? Your faith in the political system is much higher than mine. I wouldn't even begin to expect that in Australia, and we don't have institutionalised corruption like you do. -- Gregory Bond <[email protected]> Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! (Apologies to John "Iron Bar" Mackin.)

Re: microstepping You can try SGS L6217A, it can achieve 256 current level(microstep), teere is a circuit in the SGS-THOMSON - " Smart Power Applicatio Manual", order code for the manual is AMSMARTPOWERST/1 Best regards, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Moi,Siew Hong | email: [email protected] | | Hewlett-Packard Malaysia | | | Bayan Lepas Free Trade Zone, | Tel : 604-830-611 Fax : 604-843117 | | 11900 Penang, Malaysia | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Re: MIDI files on MS-Win3.1 and SoundBlaster 1.0? The Cybard ([email protected]) wrote: : I have a 486DX-33 computer with a SoundBlaster 1.0 card. I'm running : Microsoft Windows v3.1. I have the SB driver set up properly to play : normal sounds (.WAV files, etc.). I want to play midi files through the : Media Player that is included with windows. I know I have to set up the : patch maps or something in the MIDI-Mapper in the Control Panel. I KNOW : NOTHING ABOUT MIDI. (This is to be the way I'll get my feet wet.) : How do I set up Windows so that I can play MIDI files? If you install the Soundblaster windows drivers correctly, and have the latest drivers, the media player should be setup to play files authored to Microsoft's Multimedia midi authoring standard (General Midi), see the section in the back of the Voyetra manual in the Soundblaster midi upgrade kit. You'll find that midi files exist with all kinds of different mappings, so don't expect them to always sound correct without using some kind of midi file editor, such as Voyetra's Sequencer Plus. You can attempt to use the midi-mapper to remap the patches for soundblaster, but since you cannot modify the sbfm.drv you are allways stuck with the instruments that come with this driver. Unless you can find an editor for making modifications to the instrument settings in sbfm.drv , I would suggest you locate the early version of soundblaster drivers that were mapped to mt32 voices, and the later drivers that are mapped to the general midi voices. : : -- : David Thomas Dudek / [email protected] \ __ _ The Cybard : State University / [email protected] \ / `-' ) ,,, : of New York / "If music be the food of love, \ | | ()|||||||[:::} : @ Buffalo / play on!" - Wm. Shakespeare \ `__.-._) '''

Re: ONLINE BIBLE as bible study In <[email protected]> [email protected] (LING SIEW WEE) writes: >Hello, I am about to embark on a bible study on ACTS. I have online >bible software with me. I would like to know the the background of the >authors of its various topics articles and about the author of the >People's New Testament. I need to know how realible is the articles in >the Online Bible software. Specifically (for your convenience) I want to >know about the : > 1. Darby Translation ( I have never heard of this one) J.N. Darby was one of the founders of the "Plymouth Brethren" and an early supporter of dispensationalism. F.F. Bruce highly approved of his translation. He also translated the Bible into several other languages. > 2. Young's Literal Translation (I have also never heard >of) This was from the same fellow who did Young's Concordance, which was a standard reference work, similar to Strong's concordance. > 3. The realiability of the Hebrew/Greek Lexicon I believe that these just follow standard reference works. > 4. The authors (from which denomination etc) of the >articles in the TOPICS modules. Some are by Larry Pierce ("Brethren"), some are by Baptists, and I think that Thompson (of chain reference fame) was Presbyterian) > 5. The realiability of the Treasury of Scripture >Knowlege ( as I have never heard of too) Another standard reference work that has been around for decades. A new version was just released and is available through Christian Book Distributers. > 6. Who are the commentators, Scofield and B.W. Johnson >who wrote the Scofield Reference Bible and the People's New Testament respectively C.I. Scofield was the creator of the Scofield Reference Bible. For many people (but not me), this is THE STUDY BIBLE. The notes are strongly dispensational. > 7. The realiability of the Strong numbers. These are probably the most accurate Strong's numbers available. Shawn Abigail [email protected]

VRrend386, where is it kept? I'm told that VRrend386 is available on the internet. I wanted to know where it is. Thanks in advance. Raoul [email protected]

morphing Keywords: I am looking for some morphing programs for DEC's or pc's. I looked for a program called dmorph using archie but could not find it. I found a progrmam call morpho but it only did grayscale images. Does anyone know where I should look?

Re: Winnipeg vs. Vancouver In article [email protected], [email protected] (Daryl Turner) writes: >Oh yeah...and I CAN go to the Arena and see not one, not two, but >*six* championship banners hanging from the rafters. 3 Stanley Cup >banners, and 3 Avco Cup banners. My NHL guide says that Vancouver has >won the Cup once (as many times as the rockin' town of Kenora has won it!) Don't let this confuse anybody. The Winnipeg Jets have never won the Stanley Cup (or even come that close). These Stanley Cup championships go back a LONG way to about the turn of the century. The Winnipeg Victorias won one or more of these Cups- the Jets didn't win any of them. Can you think of anything more irrelevant to argue about a playoff series going on today than who won more Stanley Cups around the turn of the century?? Lets face facts. The Canucks are leading the series 3-1. The Canucks dominated the Jets in their season series. The Canucks did better in the regular season than Winnipeg. Who is the better team? I think that the facts show that Vancouver is better than Winnipeg. Gregmeister

Re: More gray levels out of the screen In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Kouhia Juhana) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Steve >Hollasch) writes: >> >> I think you're proposal would work to get an extra one, maybe two extra >>bits of color resolution. However, if you had a display that chould do only >>zero or full intensity for each primary, I don't think you'd get great >>equivalent 24-bit photographs. > >I have not suggested to do so; I wrote about problems, and the problem >were clearly visible with 7 bit b&w images; not to mention 24 bit images. [ description of experiment deleted ] >If the 1 bit images are viewed quickly and in sync with screen, >then 100 intensities could be better than we have -- I dunno. [ more deleted ] >In any case, getting black color with slow machines is problem. >I could try it on our 8 bit screens but I don't know how to >render pixels with X in constant time. I recall our double buffer >has other image color and one b&w -- that doesn't help either. >Maybe I should dump photos to screen with low level code; how? A few years ago a friend and I took some 256 grey-level photos from a 1 bit Mac Plus screen using this method. Displaying all 256 levels synchronized to the 60Hz display took about 10 seconds. After experimenting with different aperture settings and screen brightnesses we found a range that worked well, giving respectable contrast. The quality of the images was pretty good. There were no visible contrast bands. To minimize the exposure time the display program built 255 different 1 bit frames. The first contained a dot only for pixels that had value 255, the second only for pixels that had value 254, etc. These frames were stored using a sparse data structure that was very fast to 'or' onto the screen in sequence. Creating these frames sometimes took 5-10 minutes on that old Mac, but the camera shutter was closed during that time anyway. And yes, we wrote directly to the screen memory. Mea culpa. Our biggest problem was that small images were displayed in the top left corner of the screen instead of the center. It took an extra week to have the film developed and printed, because the processors took the trouble to manually move the all images into the center of the print. Who'd have guessed? regards, Jon Rowlands

cystic breast disease My mom has just been diagnosed with cystic breast disease -- a big relief, as it was a lump that could have been cancer. Her doctor says she should go off caffeine and chocolate for 6 months, as well as stopping the estrogen she's been taking for menopause-related reasons. She's not thrilled with this, I think especially because she just gave up cigarettes -- soon she won't have any pleasures left! Now, I thought I'd heard that cystic breasts were common and not really a health risk. Is this accurate? If so, why is she being told to make various sacrifices to treat something that's not that big of a deal? Thanks for any information. -- Chris -- [email protected] Note: My mailer tends to garble subject lines.

Re: sci.skeptic.religion (Was: Why ALT.atheism?) In article <[email protected]> John A. Johnson <[email protected]> writes: > >Standard groups (sci, soc, talk) must conform to stricter rules when being >established and must show a certain volume of postings or else they will >cease to exist. These groups also reach more sites on USENET than alt >groups. I already posted my opinion to mathew's suggestion, which was that >alt.atheism is on the verge of having too many garbage postings from >fundies, and "elevating" its status to a standard group (and consequently, >the volume of such postings) could make it unreadable. I tend to agree. I came here when it first started and watched it grow from the roots on talk.religion.misc. It seemed to take a while for enough atheists to come forward to get past the "Let's trash Xians" and such. Now there's a stable core, and frankly there's a feeling that this is _our_ group. If we go mainstream, we're going to be in a lot more places. And every fucking fundy loonie freshman will be dumping on us to find Jeesus! and warn us that we're all going to Hell. Want to see what we'll get? Go real alt.fan.brother-jed and imagine that those imbecilic tirades will be here. All the time. Every other post. I'm being selfish. I find I really learn a lot here and the S/N isn't too bad. The Browns and the Boobys are a distraction, but they are few enough that they even bring in some of the leavening needed to offset them. But I greatly fear that mainstreaming would basically put us at the swamping level of the Conners of the world. Regards, Dew -- Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637

Re: receiver system One thing to consider is time division multiplexing the EMG channels to reduce the number of RF carriers you have to generate. If you multiplexed the EMG inputs at 10KHz, that would probably be sufficient for most physiology studies (you'd have ~ 330 Hz per channel sampling rate.) That level of analog multiplexing should be rather easy to accomplish. Combining a lot of RF carriers is pretty tricky to do without generating intermodulation. A system to be carried by a runner is in a fairly harsh environment and would probably be difficult to keep balanced. A commercial hand-held transciever could probably be employed with a little modification to accomodate widening the bandwidth. Obviously, this has to be done in accordance with whatever laws govern the use of transeivers in your location. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 [email protected] (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED

Re: CPU Fans33 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ed McClanahan) writes... {[email protected] (Jim Johnson) writes: K{ {<speaking of CPU fans> { {> Many use clips - make sure you use heat sink {>grease, or heat transfering tape, or you will have wasted your money. { {Do these CPU Fans also have heat sinks? Do you recommend using both {on the same chip (i.e. heat sink sandwiched between CPU and Fan)? { {If we are just talking about a CPU Fan blowing directly on the CPU chip, {I can't see how "heat sink grease" is necessary (or even desireable). {-- { {=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= { { Edward McClanahan [email protected] I have a PC Power and cooling fan and it is a heat sink with a built in fan that glues on top of the CPU. Even if the fan quits you still have the heat sink fins to aid cooling. The glue, of course, is the type that has high thermal conductivity.

Poisoning with heavy water (was Re: Too many MRIs?) In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Paul Roberts) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dick King) writes: >> >>I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization >>book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption >>of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy >>water do not sprout. Does anyone know about this? >> > >I also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of >'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't >show up in any chemical test. No one else seems to know, so I'll post this. This topic came up on sci.physics.fusion shortly after the cold-fusion flap started. As I recall, its been done to some experimental mice. They showed various ill effects and eventually died. The reason is that deuterium does not have exactly the same reaction rates as hydrogen due to its extra mass (which causes lower velocity, Boltzman constant, mumble). This throws various bits of body biochemistry out of kilter, and you get sick and die. I've never heard of anyone being poisened this way, in or out of real life. The process takes quite a while. If anyone wants to write this book, I would imagine you would have to: 1: Replace a significant fraction of the water in the body with heavy water. 2: Wait while normal breakdown and repair processes cause other molecules in the body to be synthesised using the deuterium. During this process the victim would gradually deteriorate and eventually die, but I imagine it would take weeks during which the poisoner would have to ensure that a significant proportion of the water the victim ingested was heavy. You would get such a mess of symptoms that the doctors would be both alarmed and confused. Why should every organ in the body suddenly begin to deteriorate? If you can figure out how the poisoner gets the heavy water into the victim in a hospital then you could have a real story here. Come to think of it, <2> would continue even after the heavy water was no longer being ingested, so hospitalisation might be too late. The most detectable effect would be that the victim's body fluids would literally be "heavy". Water has a molecular weight of 18 and heavy water has a MW of 20. Thus the victim's weight will increase by about 1% for every 10% of body water replaced by heavy water. Maybe the detection occurs because some pathologist in the lab notices that the victim's urine is strangely dense. Is there any medical test involving the specific gravity of a body fluid? Paul. -- Paul Johnson ([email protected]). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 --------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions

Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) wrote: > Jesus gives more reasons in John 16:7. But one obvious reason > why Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with > his punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that > we would "stop doubting and believe" (John 21:27). The fact > that Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise > from the dead. It is an obvious point. Do not overlook it. > Without this obvious point, I would have no hope > and my faith would be vanity. Glad to hear this, just a note, Osiris, Mithras and many other cult gods resurrected as well, so there's a good chance for all of us to maybe end up in a virtual reality simulator, and live forever, hurrah! Sorry, this was a joke, some sort of one anyway. I'm the first that connected Osiris with a virtual reality personality database. Time to write a book. Cheers, Kent --- [email protected]. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.

Nasa (dis)incentives [questions and issues WRT congress raised and discussed} Dennis Replies; >Now black when it is white is just white. Except that when black is called >white money is put into the system in a study to find out just when it is >justified to call black, white. It is also apparant that when white is called >black, just the opposite occurs. Now white is a color, but when white is >called black, it calls into question the validity of the color spectrum. ... >It is a given however that NASA nor the military, whose competence in >differentating black from white is well known (remember the black and >white paint on the Saturn V rocket?) That nothing will occur here either. >When black and white are used by congress, who cares nothing for results, >just more money for pork barrel jobs brought about by the black/white >controversy.... Dennis, why must you always see things in black and white terms? :-) -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, [email protected] 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. -------------------------------------------------------------------------

FBI Murders (was Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN ) [email protected] (Jim De Arras) writes: >I have believed all along that they could not let them live, the >embarrassment to the BATF and the FBI would've been too severe. >Remember, this was a suspicion of tax-evasion warrant. There were no >witnesses, except the FBI. All information filtered through the FBI. All >they had to do was allow one remote controlled pool camera be installed >near the building, and the press could've done their job, and would've >been able to back the FBI's story with close up video, while incurring no >risk to the press. Unless they did not want the public to see something. >The complete lack of any other source of information other than the >FBI really causes me concern. >Sick to my stomach, and getting sicker from all the Government apologists Well put, Jim. I am as concerned about the media's complicity in this growing coverup. Can you imagine the media outrage, the lawsuits, the investigations that would emit if the government kept the media away from any other story? Particularly if a Republican administration had been behind it. What's going on here? Let's look beyond the initial blunder and examine what happened next. I'm a student of human phychology, particularly in the area of psy-ops because I've found some of the techniques to be useful in business negotiations. That puts me firmly in the amateur ranks. This AMATEUR knows that the first thing to do when sizing up the opponent is to do a psychological profile on him. You can bet your ass the FBI had professionally done profiles on Koresh. Koresh's behavior was emminently predictable. It is typical of people who move away from civilization to be willing to fight to the death to preserve their isolation. It would also be typical, given Koresh's religious orientation, for such an individual to interpret a government assault as the apocalypse. Suicide is as an acceptable alternative to being consumed in the apocalypse. IMHO, the FBI knew all this and decided after 50 days of concentrated psy-ops to initiate that apocalypse. I believe they chose a course of action designed specifically to push Koresh over the edge while publicly appearing to be acting reasonably. They KNEW that Koresh considered the tanks to be the Chariots of Fire mentioned in the Book of Revelations. They KNEW that sending tanks, oops, combat engineering vehicles, obstensibly to perform "gas insertions" (love that NewSpeak) WOULD push him over the edge. Look at some supporting evidence. Koresh's attorney mentioned on TV earlier today (4/20) that one of Koresh's major concern was the biblical role of the tanks stationed around the compound. The FBI (through Reno on Larry King last night and at the news conference this morning) claimed to have listening devices in the compound. If that was true they KNEW their actions were driving him to the brink. They KNEW they were pushing the Davidians toward mass suicide. Any rational and reasonable agency NOT interested in killing those people would, at the first sign of preparations for suicide, have pulled completely back and would have gotten rid of all the armor. Instead they continued with the "gas insertion" right up to the point where flames appeared. The image that will remain etched in my mind is that of the tank strutting back and forth in front of the burning compound, gloating over the kill. Let's step back and assess how this thing could have been ended without bloodshed. This technique would have required a law enforcement agency interested in constitutionally enforcing the law and in the preservation of life instead of achieving a military victory and of vengence. The way to have nabbed Koresh was simply to have announced a pull back, abandoned the assault, torn down the concertina wire and removed the armor, maintained covert surveillance of the compound and then exploited his ego to flush him out. Exploiting his ego would have been simple. A simple invite or two from the tabloid talk shows to come on TV and tell how he whipped the US government would have been something he could not have resisted. He could have then been nabbed when he left the compound. Simple, clean and safe but because it would have required the FBI to execute a tactical retreat and would have deprived them of the revenge they sought, it was totally out of the question. Not without all that testesterone floating around. After all Jannet Reno had to show the world how big her balls are. Yesterday was a sad, sad day for the American system. I am sick to my very soul. John -- John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to [email protected] | [email protected] for a free sample mag Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya?

Re: div. and conf. names [email protected] ( Evan Pritchard) writes: > No, I would not want to see a Ballard division. But to say >that these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are >assholes would be fallacious. Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy >individual (from what I have heard). Depends on what you mean by classy. From what I've heard about him, he was about as classy as Harold Ballard. Only difference was that back then almost all the owners were like that, so he seemed okay by comparison. Read the book "Net Worth" for one view of what Smythe (and Norris and Adams and Campbell) were like. > Also, isn't the point of "professional" hockey to make money >for all those involved, which would include the players. What I think >you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as >should have been their due, and it is the players that are what make >the game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming >division after management people rather than players is adding insult >(in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was >deserved). Even more specifically, I think what Roger was saying (and I said it previously too) is that these are NOT the people who made the league great, so why should divisions, conferences etc. be named after them instead of Morenz, Vezina, Howe, Orr etc., the people who DID make it great. Instead, the NHL has chosen to immortalize the men who got rich off of the men who made the game great. -- Chris Roney (e-mail [email protected])

C7 link/segment problem (calling run-time functions) I have a small Windows program which I can not get to work; The program looks vaguely like this: ============================================= char f1[80]; int WinMain(... { lstrcpy ((LPSTR)f1, "Hello"); ... } long far pascal WndProc(... { lstrcpy ((LPSTR)f1, "Hello"); ... } ============================================= I am using large model under Windows 3.1; after linking without errors, the RC program said Sorting preload segments and resources into fast-load section Copying segment 1 (53679 bytes) RC : fatal error RW1031: Segment 1 and its relocation information is too large for load optimization. Make the segment LOADONCALL or rerun RC using the -K switch if the segment must be preloaded. Using the -K switch seems to interfere with the proper function of the second lstrcpy call... can anybody explain what is going on and/or how to fix it? Thanks... Pugsley ([email protected])

Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > >Y'know, when the right to bear arms was "invented", all we had to worry >about was the shotgun and pistol. Don't forget rifles. >Just because someting was good once, does not mean it will be forever. The Amendment in question was "invented" so that a government that had it in mind to oppress its people would have cause to think twice. Governments are still doing this kind of thing today. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Cassidy :-) Motorola Inc. [email protected]

Re: Europe vs. Muslim Bosnians From article <[email protected]>, by [email protected] (Javed Ahmed Khan): >> >> Actually, this strife in Yugoslavia goes back a long way. Bosinan Muslims, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> in collaboration with the Nazis, did to Serbians after the first world > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> war what Serbs are doing to Muslims now. This is not a fresh case of >> > > > I dont think you're correct here. There have been no reports of the Bosnians > Muslims supporting the Nazis in their genocide against the Serbians. The > fact is that the Croat govt. using their secret police (called the Ustache, > I think) were the prime agents of the Nazis in Yugoslavia against the Serbs. > > --Javed. First of all, this is NOT a strife; this is a massacre of innocent Moslem poeples by the Christian West. Since Ottoman lost the control of Balkans, many tens and hundereds of millions of Muslem peoples (Turks, Albanians, Bosnians, and others) have been tortured, raped, massacred, and driven out of their homes by the Cristians of both the region and Europe. Some lucky ones escaped to relative safety in Turkiye. The remaining others are being finished now by local Christians, the USA, and the rest of Europe. The Christian West is maintaining a tight arms ambargo on the Muslem peoples of Bosnia so they cannot deffend themslves while letting Christian Serbs and Croats torture, rape, and massacre the innocent Moslem peoples of Bosnia. It took Christian Europe for almost six centuries to achieve this objective of theirs and I do not think they will let it up. This will go on untill every single Moslem person (Bosnian, Turk, Albanian, etc) is tortured, raped, massacred, and driven out of their homes.

Re: Burden of Proof [email protected] (Stephen Watson) writes: >[email protected] (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] >>(Tammy R Healy) writes: >>>> "FBI officials said cult leader David Koresh may have >>>> forced followers to remain as flames closed in. Koresh's >>>> armed guard may have injected as many as 24 children with >>>> poison to quiet them." >>>> >>>Do the FBI have proof of this yet?! > >> Why ask me? I am only quoting the FBI official. Why not ask the FBI? > > Myabe they're lying to cover up, or maybe they're telling the truth. The 24 children were, of course, killed by a lone gunman in a second story window, who fired eight bullets in the space of two seconds... mathew

Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies: >: > No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects >: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift >: > off the ground > >Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my >BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and >you know what? He was right! Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake! Bill __ [email protected] (Bill Slack) DoD #430 But her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost In the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o

SCSI vs. IDE Do all SCSI cards for DOS systems require a separate device driver to be loaded into memory for each SCSI device hooked up? Will this also be true of the 32-bit OS's? Thanks. Randy

Clipper chip and key exchange methods I was wanting to ask the same question Dan Bernstein asked--how does the Clipper chip exchange keys? If the public key is only 80 or 160 bits long, does anyone know of any public-key schemes that are secure with that key size? (Diffie-Hellman or maybe El Gamal, with p set to a constant value?) Presumably, the real scheme is something like: 1. Exchange/verify public keys. 2. Send encrypted (randomly-generated) session key. 3. Encrypt / Decrypt voice trafic with some sort of fast stream cipher. Can anyone elaborate on this, or show me what I'm missing here? --John Kelsey, [email protected]

Re: Data of skull >Hi, We are trying to develop a image reconstruction simulation for the skull. The problem we are having is that we cannot obtain 3D data for the skull. We can just video a rotating skull, but that will only give us 2 dimensions. >Anyone out there got any suggestions? Yup, you can get a skull contained in the Cyberware_demo from the following location: In order to get the Cyberware_demo via ftp do the following: 1) ftp taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil 2) login as anonymous, guest as the password 3) cd pub/dabro 4) binary 5) get cyberware_demo.tar.Z Once you get the demo onto your workstation: 1) uncompress cyberware_demo.tar.Z 2) tar xvof cyberware_demo.tar The skull data is called 'phred' and resides in the data directory. george dabro [email protected] -- george dabrowski Cyberware Labs [email protected]

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Gamecards I own an 80386sx, 16Mhz, 2Mb ram machine and am finding it too slow for certain games such as X-wing. I was in a Computer store there the other day and saw a series of Gamecards which claim to speed up your machine to up to 80Mhz! I was wondering if anyone out there who has a similar machine had bought one or seen one of these Gamecards and whether or not they do actually work! Any help here would be much appreciated, Thanks in advance, Greg. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | When a man lies he murders some part of the world..................| | or does he....?.......EGGMAN...............|

Re: Best Homeruns In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dan Swartzendruber) writes: } In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Donald P Boell) writes: } >I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman } >and his infamous moon-raker drives... } } I remember one he hit circa 1976 at Wrigley Field that went across } the street (in dead center field) and hit a house on the roof. He } whiffed a lot, but when he *did* connect, watch out! the best home run i have *ever* seen came off, believe it or not, Roger Clemens (sorry, Val) a couple of years ago. he threw a ball to Incaviglia which was literally at Inky's neck, and he absolutely hammered the crap out of it. after the swing, Clemens nonchalantly motioned for a new ball--he didn't even turn around to look, or even get upset. the ball hit the lights in the left-field standard, some 70 or so feet about the Green Monster (over 100 feet above the ground total!) truly an amazing shot. -*- charles

Re: Mottos to replace "In doG we trust" Andrew Hilmer ([email protected]) wrote: : At the risk of beginning a cascade, I'll start with a possibly cheesy : good 'ol Uhmericun: : "Our shield is freedom" Or, considering what our government has been doing for the past 50 years, perhaps this would be more appropriate: "100% Debt" -- Holy Temple of Mass $ >>> [email protected] <<< $ "My used underwear Consumption! $ $ is legal tender in PO Box 30904 $ BBS: (919) 782-3095 $ 28 countries!" Raleigh, NC 27622 $ Warning: I hoard pennies. $ --"Bob"

Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....) In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Scott Mace) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Wayne Smith) writes: >>I almost got a hernia laughing at this one. >You'll probably get one when you realize that your $100 vesa super >dooper local bus ultra high tech controller sucks... >>If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local >With any luck PC bus archeitecture will be doen any with by sbus. >Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to >a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system >>Bus IDE. It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the >>extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller. Yeah, there is absolutely no use for VLB except for video graphics. And no IDE could possibly take advantage the VLB, because it runs at 8 Mhz and 16 bits. Do people forget that the IDE was specifically designed to interface directly with the AT ISA bus? We've seen IDEs come out for EISA, XT ISA, and now even MCA, but at all times it was a 16 bit standard, running at somewhere near 8-10 Mhz. When you run an IDE off of the VLB, there's no way that you're running it at 33 Mhz, it would burn up. Of course same goes for SCSI, ESDI, whatever, none of them run at CPU speed. The only way to gain advantage with a VLB IDE is to hook it up to a caching controller. I suspect it would be much, much better to get a software disk cache instead, since you get write-caching as well. >because you have an ide and no one makes ide disks that big. I've seen some Fuji IDE drives going as high as 1G. Yousuf Khan

Re: Need help writing MS EXCEL macro > for each_student do > begin > Lowest_Score_Found := Max_Possible_Value > for I := 1 to Number_Of_Assignments do > begin > if Score[I] < Lowest_Score_Found then > Lowest_Score_Found := Score[I] > end > Total_Score := SUM(all scores) - Lowest_Score_Found > end Couldn't you simply use MIN() as you use SUM() and than subtract it from SUM() ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ internet: [email protected] phone: Germany 7243 602296 address: Fromut FRITZE, Waldbronn Analytic Division R&D, Hewlett Packard Str, D 7517 Waldbronn 2, Germany ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re: Remember those names come election time. In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Peter Nelson) writes: > > BTW, with Bosnia's large Moslem population, why have nations like > Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and others with either money > or strong military forces not spoken out more forcibly or offered > to help out Bosnia? Obviously, you really don't know. They *have* spoken out (cf Sec'y of State Christopher's recent trip to the ME), they have provided millions in aid, and they have participated in the airlifts to Sarajevo. They *would* supply military aid, if the UN would lift the embargo on arms sales. > The Turkish ambassador has ocassionally said > a thing or two, but that's all; I see no great enthusism from any > of those places to get *their* hands dirty. Why does the US always > get stuck with this stuff? > See above. (Kuwait has directly participated in the airlift of food to Sarajevo.) > Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement > there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or > (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites > don't count? Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are "oil rich", "loaded with petro-dollars", etc so they don't count. > > >---peter > > >

CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL Does anyone know of software that will allow you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises. Jeff Lyall Inst.Geo.Nuc.Sci.Ltd Lower Hutt New Zealand

Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Isn't there a differentiation, though, between improper use or definition or practice as regards objective morals and whether they actually exist? MAC -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb "...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs." Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate [email protected] With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits.

Re: PUBLIC HEARINGS on Ballot Access, Vote Fraud and Other Issues In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Bob Waldrop) writes: >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Announcing. . . Announcing. . . Announcing. . . 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(7) To ensure that the will of the people serves as >the basis of the authority of government, the participating >states will. . ." > >"(7.4) -- ensure . . . that (votes) are counted and reported >honestly with the official results made public;" > >"(7.5) -- respect the right of citizens to seek political or public >office, individually or as representatives of political parties or >organizations, without discrimination." > > > RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE > INTERNATIONAL COVENANT OF 5 OCTOBER 1977 > REFERENCED ABOVE > >The States Parties to the present Covenant. . . 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Every citizen shall have the right and the >opportunity, without any of the distinctions mentioned in >article 2 and without unreasonable restrictions: (a) to take >part in the conduct of public affairs, directly or through >freely chosen representatives; (b) to vote and to be elected at >genuine periodic elections which shall be by universal and >equal suffrage and shall be held by secret ballot, >guaranteeing the free expression of the will of the electors; (c) >to have access, on general terms of equality, to public service >in his country. > >Article 26. All persons are equal before the law and are >entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of >the law. 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Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Russell Turpin) writes: > ... >*not* imply that all their treatments are ineffective. It *does* >imply that those who rely on faulty methodology and reasoning are >incapable of discovering *which* treatments are effective and >which are not.) To start with, no methodology or form of reasoning is infallible. So there's a question of how much certainty we are willing to pay for in a given context. Insistence on too much rigor bogs science down completely and makes progress impossible. (Expenditure of sufficiently large sums of money and amounts of time can sometimes overcome this.) On the other hand, with too little rigor much is lost by basing work on results which eventually turn out to be false. There is a morass of studies contradicting other studies and outsiders start saying "You people call THIS science?" (My opinion, for what it's worth, is that one sees both these phenomena happening simultaneously in some parts of psychology.) Some subjective judgement is required to decide on the level of rigor appropriate for a particular investigation. I don't believe it is ever possible to banish subjective judgement from science. My second point, though, is that highly capable people can often make extremely reliable judgements about scientific validity even when using methodology considered inadequate by the usual standards. I think this is true of many scientists and I think it is true of many who approach their discipline in a way that is not generally recognized as scientific. Within mathematics, I think there are several examples, especially before the twentieth century. One conspicuous case is that of Riemann, who is famous for many theorems he stated but did not prove. (Later mathematicians did prove them, of course.) I think that for a good scientist, empirical investigation is often not so much a matter of determining what is true and what's not as it is a matter of convincing other people. (People have proposed lots of incompatible definitions of science here, but I think the ability to objectively convince others of the validity of one's results is an essential element. Not that one can necessarily do that at every step of the scientific process, but I think that if one is not moving toward that goal then one is not doing science.) When a person other than a scientist is quite good at what he does and seems to be very successful at it, I think that his judgements are also worthy of respect and that his assertions are well worth further investigation. In article <[email protected]> I wrote: > Namely, is there really justification for the belief that > science is a superior path to truth than non-scientific approaches? Admittedly, my question was not at all well posed. A considerable amount of effort in a "serious scholarly investigation" such as I suggested would be required simply to formulate an appropriately specific question to try and answer. The "science" I was thinking of in my question is the actual science currently practiced now in the last decade of the twentieth century. I certainly wasn't thinking of some idealized science or the mere use of "reason and observation." One thing I had in mind in my suggestion was the question as to whether in many cases the subjective judgements of skilled and experienced practitioners might be more reliable than statistical studies. Since Russell Turpin seems to be much more familiar than I am with the study of scientific methodology, perhaps he can tell us if there is any existing research related to this question. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. [email protected] [email protected]

Re: Worshipping the Constitution? (was My Gun is...) >>[email protected] (Paul Prescod) said: >> >>> Sorry. Reading this newsgroup I can't help but get the impression of >>> frothing at the mouth lunatics. I get a lot of: >> >>[snip] >> >>> c) Constitution worshiping "It's right because it's in the >>> constitution" As if the constitution wasn't framed by men, centuries >>> ago in a totally different world. We have three options with respect to the Constitution: 1. Abide by it. 2. Duly amend it. 3. Abandon those parts of which a majority disapproves. Of course, since the whole point of the Constitution is to restrain the will of the majority, and since even in unfettered democracy we have nothing to fear from minorities, #3 amounts to abandoning the Constitution altogether. Which will it be? --- Mark Pundurs any resemblance between my opinions and those of Wolfram Research, Inc. is purely coincidental

Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Very true (length of time for discussions on creationism vs evolutionism). Atheists and Christians have been debating since ?? and still debate with unabated passion 8-). MAC -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb "...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs." Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate [email protected] With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits.

Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gregory N. Bond) writes: > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > > ... So how about this? Give the winning group > (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year > moratorium on taxes. > > You are talking about the bozos who can't even manage in November to > keep promises about taxes made in October, and you expect them to make > (and keep!) a 50-year promise like that? We want to give lawyers something to do in the 21st cen., don't we? >Your faith in the political > system is much higher than mine. I wouldn't even begin to expect that > in Australia, and we don't have institutionalised corruption like you > do. Oh I bet you do. They are probably just better at it than our crooks. :-) > -- > Gregory Bond <[email protected]> Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia > Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box > Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! > (Apologies to John "Iron Bar" Mackin.) Tom Freebairn | We came. | We saw. | We went home. Some early 20th cen. baseball player Anybody know who or why? (definitly e-mail stuff.)

Re: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions? > I just read articals on this in Road and Track and Car and Driver > (Is that one mag or two? =B^), and I was wondering if people out > there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to say... Depending on how you plan to use your SUV, I might recommend also browsing Trailer Boats and one or more of those Pickup, Shotgun, and 4WD magazines. The car rags mostly seem to consider recently graded pea gravel to be offroading and ten sacks of redwood chips to be a bedload. Considering that most of these SUVs seem to be used mostly as robust station wagons, that's probably not a bad approach, but if your applications are more demanding, pick your information sources accordingly. Of the three vehicles on your short list (Explorer, 4Runner, Pathfinder), I'd recommend the 4Runner as being closely based on a rather robust pickup and the Explorer for being comfortably carlike. Don't know much about the Pathfinder. Good luck, --Joe "Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"

Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? [email protected] (Les Ferch) writes: >In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Monthian >Buntan-1) writes: >>Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding >>fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 as the message "fpu: >>optional". I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all >>C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would they >>be so unclear about this issue in their price list? >Perhaps the reason is simple--maybe the marketing people who put together >the brochures and price lists weren't clear on the FPU issue. Perhaps the marketing people don't KNOW what an FPU is! -Terry

Re: Eumemics (was: Eugenics) >Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and >re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level. Not only will flawless >cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY. > >What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded >goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's >favor at SAFEWAY? What will it be like to mentally edit and spell- >check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling >VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS? You are absolutely daft. No flame required. You lack a brain. > ...[sic]... >Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes >which are the units of genetics. Well... at least you're educated, it seems. But give credit where credit is due: to Richard Dawkin(s?) (the meme is a meme he invented) -zone

Do we need SDK as well as DDK? The Microsoft Windows Device Driver Kit (DDK) documentation (blurb) states that the user must separately acquire the Microsoft Windows Software Development Kit (SDK), which contains the Windows tools to build the drivers. If we are using Borland C++ with Application Frameworks, is this necessary? We also have a copy of the Microsoft Press Programmer's Reference Library (books) which normally comes with the SDK, and Microsoft Macro Assembler 6.0. Why is the SDK neccessary for development of Virtual Device Drivers? - Steven Murray (posted on behalf of Brian Davies)

Does a car wash hurt the cars finish? Can taking the car to a car wash hurt the car's finish? And if so, is it better to hand wash it about once a month, or just take it to the car wash anyway? Are detailing places worth the money? if i do a good, careful job on washing and waxing, is a detail place going to be worth it? reply to my email address: [email protected] pk4 My views reflect Cornell's. Sue them dry.

Re: Opinions on Allergy (Hay Fever) shots? In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (PAM DRAPER) says: > >This homeopathic remedies. I tried the dander one for a month. 15 drops >three times a day. I didn't notice any change whats so ever. How long >were you using the drops before you noticed a difference? > It is NOT a homeopathic remedy. Improvement began in a few months. I am allergic to bermuda grass and if anyone nearby was mowing a lawn my nose would start to run. Now I can walk right by and it doesn't bother me at all. The same success with desert ragweed. Bruce Long

Re: Mac Plus is constantly rebooting! :> : :> : Basically, the Mac Pluses are constantly rebooting themselves, as if the :> : reboot button were being pushed. Sometimes the Mac is able to fully boot : well this threads been going long enough... I'll add a diferent twist. I found that the constant rebooting was due to overheating. We had added 4Mb ram, and were operating in a non AC environment. Adding an external cooling fan fixed it right up. ( over a year ago ) -- / george jefferson \/ * [email protected]

Re: Did Microsoft buy Xhibition?? [email protected] (Aub Harden) writes: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Jesse W. Asher) writes: >|> I've been getting mail from Xhibition about the June conference and I was >|> wondering if Microsoft had bought Xhibition? The front says "Conference >|> from Microsoft Windows NT Developers". What's the deal? I thought >|> "X"hibition was for "X-windows"?? >|> >|> -- >|> Jesse W. Asher I was wondering this myself. >and (not surprisingly when you look at the audience) Windows NT. >With the bulk of the Xhibition audience (and the UNIX community) developing >applications for in-house or custom use, a new 32-bit operating system from a >player as large as Microsoft needs to be evaluated. With MS Windows on so many >desktops, and the price of computing power dropping, its successor needs to be >evaluated. As corporations begin to look at NT, so must their developers and >suppliers. >what you need. Conference attendees will receive NT Software Development >Kits- to bang on, evaluate, and generally to see for yourself. >I hope this doesn't sound like an NT commercial (it should sound like an >Xhibition commercial:-). Unfortunately it does. I don't agree with the logic of NT at an X windows conference. Perhaps some good will come of it, but the two are so dissimilar and the NT marketing stuff is so large in the Xhibition adds that I was coming to a similar conclusion as Jesse... -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Mark A. Davis | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 | | Sys.Administrator| Computer Services | mark@taylor / [email protected] | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

Why the bible? One thing I think is interesting about alt.athiesm is the fact that without bible-thumpers and their ilk this would be a much duller newsgroup. It almost needs the deluded masses to write silly things for athiests to tear apart. Oh well, that little tidbit aside here is what I really wanted write about. How can anyone believe in such a sorry document as the bible? If you want to be religious aren't there more plausable books out there? Seriously, the bible was written by multiple authors who repeatedly contradict each other. One minute it tells you to kill your kid if he talks back and the next it says not to kill at all. I think that if xtians really want to follow a deity they should pick one that can be consistent, unlike the last one they invented. For people who say Jesus was the son of god, didn't god say not to EVER put ANYONE else before him? Looks like you did just that. Didn't god say not to make any symbols or idols? What are crosses then? Don't you think that if you do in fact believe in the bible that you are rather far off track? Was Jesus illiterate? Why didn't he write anything? Anyone know? I honestly hope that people who believe in the bible understand that it is just one of the religious texts out there and that it is one of the poorer quality ones to boot. The only reason xtianity escaped the middle east is because a certain roman who's wine was poisoned with lead made all of rome xtian after a bad dream. If this posting keeps one person, just ONE person, from standing on a streetcorner and telling people they are going to hell I will be happy. *** Only hatred and snap judgements can guide your robots through life. *** *** Dr. Clayton Forester *** *** Mad Scientist ***

Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic? Andrew A. Houghton" writes: >I'm still waiting to hear a good response from a christian type.. how >is christ's word (as quoted by Paul) reconciled with current christian >beliefs? Almost one third of the world's population claim to be Christian. But any similarity between their beliefs and lifestyle to the first century model is purely coincidental. At Luke 18:8 it states, "...nevertheless, when the son of man returns, will he really find the faith on the earth?" Jack

Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!! Ed's heading out on the highway? Did he finally buy a bike or is he a passanger? Jeff Andle DoD #3005 1976 KZ900 [email protected] IntermittentNet access arranged through Bowdoin College. Please reply via e-mail, since a followup might expire before I see the Net again.

Re: Fitting straight line (or curve) to data points In article [email protected] (Andrew Ward) writes: |> I am looking for a graphing program that will fit my data to a straight |> line. Any program that estimates a closest fit curve or gives any |> statistics would be helpful. Many spreadsheets do regression analysis. The topic is also well covered in most undergraduate statistic books. Cubic Splines are usually well covered in any undergraduate computer science numerical analysis text. I am sure ge/mm has a well stocked library. I have never used mathematica, but I would be surprised if it could not do a spline. -- Edmond L. Meinfelder Programmer, Virtual Guy, "My aardvark is bigger." -Anon. Hack for hire.

MS-Windows access for the blind? We are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window to display ~24 rows of textual data. Is there any product for Microsoft Windows that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ?? Please email responses and I will post a summary to this group. Thanks for any help --- John Bruno

re: WH announcement Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the decisions related to this initiative. Congress?? So we're playing politics before we talk to CPSR, academia, the public, internet users? I`ve heard of top-down design, but top-down democracy?? [Just whose state/district are the chip manufacturers in?] Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more powerful encryption devices? A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be considered during the broad policy review. [...bs about the wonderfulness of the key escrow system...] The Administration is not saying, "since encryption threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have effectively done); They'll just provide an easily-compromised version to JQ Public. nor is the U.S. saying that "every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an unbreakable commercial encryption product." Maybe we need a CRA -- Cryptographic Rights Amendment. There is a false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is an "either-or" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the "Clipper Chip" and similar encryption techniques. Nice lullaby. But why am I not soothed? ---------------- Also, In article [email protected], [email protected] (Andrew Richard Conway) writes: >P.S. I can't work out why the US government doesn't want to sell >them overseas. After all, they are rather easy for US interests to decode, >so make a perfect tool for industrial/military espionage...lulling >anyone stupid enough to buy it into a false sense of security. You will >notice that there is NO mention anywhere about safety for non-Americans. > Why repeat themselves? It appears to some (and the story looks pretty convincing to me, too) that the Justice Department stole a case-tracking system, modified it, and distributed it to "friendly" police and suchlike agencies around the world, eg. the Canadian Mounties. Of course, I have no doubt they swore Scout's Honor that there were no backdoors. With that kind of intelligence, who'd want to be swamped with terabytes of commercial traffic? +========================================================================+ | dwight tuinstra best: [email protected] | | tolerable: [email protected] | | | | "Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six" | +========================================================================+

Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / [email protected] / 6:26 am Apr 14, 1993 / > The vast majority get through life without ever having to > own, use or display a firearm. I suppose that depends on how you define 'vast' majority.... You are correct about 'majority.' Somewhere between 1 out of three and one out of 10 will at some period in their lives experience a violent assault. The risk is generally higher than emergency medical problems like heart attack and stroke. 'Vast' is probably too loose a term. With approximately 1,000,000 Americans using firearms each year, over a 30 year period we get (roughly, since some may have to do this more than once) 30 MILLION Americans with experience in using firearms for self defense. 30/250 yields 12 percent of the population. (Yes, I know that is a REAL rough estimate. We're closer to 270 million now, but many of these are minors and should be included etc, thus the percentage if anything is low.) At any rate, most minority groups in this range are not usually referred to as 'tiny' minorities, so I don't see how the other part of the group can be referred to as the 'vast' majority. A little more work might support a 'simple' majority of Americans never use, own or display a firearm. Certainly when you are talking about OWNERSHIP you are wrong. Nearly half of your fellow citizens own one or more firearms. > Besides, there are other > means of self-protection which can be just as effective > as firearms. Please provide a list of other means that are as effective. Then you might convince your local police departments to switch. Good luck. Rick.

Re: Leafs v.s. Wings I agree! Rob Shick sucks big time. He did the same thing last night's game between Boston & Buffalo.

Why we like DC-X (was Re: Shuttle 0-Defects & Bizarre? DC-X?) Ken: Your arguments are thoughtful but you are going up against the Big Boys if you're tackling Henry. Allen Sherzer will doubtless chime in on the subject of staggering operational costs, too. Good luck, son. In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ken Hayashida) writes: >Shuttle is the only method in the free world of orbiting large life sciences >and medical related packages. Ahem. The Russians are in the Free World now, or at least it would be Politically Correct to contend so. >I am hopeful that DC-X, or whatever the follow-on is eventually called, >will perform as you state. But right now, I must admit that I am more >skeptical than ever. It will be tough to make DC-X succeed, and to turn it into an operational orbital vehicle. Doubtless it will fail to meet some of the promised goals. The reason people are so fond of it is that it's the *only* chance we have now, or will have for a *long* time to come, to develop a launch vehicle with radically lower costs. There is no Shuttle successor in funded development, NASP is dwindling away, and ALS/NLS/Spacelifter sure as hell aren't gonna knock any zeroes off that $2000-$3000 per pound cost. Part of the blame for this must be placed on a Shuttle program that consumes many annual billions of the, er, Free World's available space cash. As you will no doubt hear from many correspondents in the days to come. (-: DC-X is an attempt to break out of the vicious cycle by keeping development costs low and flying incremental "X-plane" hardware. It's been, to my mind, incredibly successful already-- they've built a complex prototype in under 600 days for under 60 megabucks. I would have been extremely skeptical that this could be accomplished in 1990s America, never mind flying the thing, getting a successor funded, or building the DC-Y. I'm sure you know well that launch costs are THE basic problem for any expansion of astronautics. I don't see a realistic prospect for beating down those costs, for multi-ton payloads, anywhere else. If the DC flops, it'll be business as usual in space. The Nineties and the Double-Oughts will look just like the Seventies and Eighties, a prospect too depressing to bear. (Pegasus represents another assault on the problem from a different direction. It doesn't lower cost-per-pound but it offers an orbital launch for under ten megabucks. It's creating its own market for small payloads.) I read the magazines and I've attended the last two IAFs. There are plenty of engineers with paper ideas for cheaper launch systems, some of them as good as or better than SSTO. There is no sign in today's world that any of these designs will be allowed anywhere near an assembly line. >You could change my view on DC-X if you could prove the following: [...deleting some things I'm not going to prove tonight...] >3 that the shuttle need not go on hiatus to allow development of a man-ratable >DC-X successor Strawman. Is anybody seriously proposing this? References, please. The DC must be developed in the real-world funding climate, which includes a NASA ferociously committed to continuing Shuttle operations, as well as the "bird in the hand" argument your common sense tells you. If DC-Y flies at all, it flies alongside the Shuttle, not instead of it. Also, of course, DC-Y and its operational descendants will be useful for a wide variety of jobs even if they are *not* man-rated. >4 Most importantly, that the DC-X will open up LEO to more scientific and >technical payloads. If a DC-X successor can fly a 10,000-kg payload for $1M, or even $5M, rather than the $40M it now costs, more people will be able to afford more payloads... for the same money, you can fly several satellites instead of one. Big outfits can fly multi-satellite series. Little outfits will be able to fly spacecraft of their own, instead of begging a ride. This is just supply and demand. You should be able to convince *yourself* that point 4 will be true, assuming DC makes a big difference in costs. Do you have some reason to think not? O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \|/ - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap! / \ (_) (_) / | \ | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory \ / Bitnet: [email protected] - - Internet: [email protected] ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS

Good Reasons to Wave at each other One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts: Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going, nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride" 1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages. 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing.

Re: bosio's no-hitter In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: } [email protected] (BROWN PHILIP H) writes: } } >I watched the final inning of Bosio's no-hitter with several people at } >work. After Vizquel made that barehanded grab of the chopper up the } >middle, someone remarked that if he had fielded it with his glove, he } >wouldn't have had time to throw Riles out. Yet, the throw beat Riles } >by about two steps. I wonder how many others who watched the final out } >think Vizquel had no choice but to make the play with his bare hand. } } In this morning's paper (or was it on the radio?), Vizquel was quoted as } saying that he could have fielded the ball with his glove and still } easily thrown out Riles, that he barehanded it instead so as to make the } final play more memorable. Seems a litle cocky to me, but he made it } work so he's entitled. i guess so. still, that's kind of a stupid move, IMO. he'd be singing a different tune if he had booted it, and the next guy up had hit a bloop single. stranger things have happened (hey, i used to be a big Dave Stieb fan...) and unfortunately, there's no such thing as an "unearned hit". :^) cheers, -*- charles

Re: Drinking and Riding >So, you can't ride the bike, but you will drive truck home? The >judgement and motor skills needed to pilot a moto are not required in a >cage? This scares the sh*t out of me. > This is a piece of psychology its essential for any long term biker to understand. People do NOT think 'if I do this will someone else suffer?'. They assess things purely on' if I do this will I suffer?. This is a vital concept in bike-cage interaction.

PowerPC NuBUS rumors? I read in MacWeek that some developers are getting NuBUS cards from apple with pre-release PowerPC chips on them. Does this mean that when the chip is released, those of us with old apples will be able to take advantage of the PowerPC RISC technology just by inserting a card? I don't know anything about hardware, so can someone tell me how much of a cludge this would be? Archon

Re: DOT Tire date codes In rec.motorcycles, [email protected] (Cookson) writes: >To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out >how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced. Does >anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy? It's quite simple; the code is the week and year of manufacture. <================================================> / Rich Sturges (h) 703-536-4443 \ / NSWC - Carderock Division (w) 301-227-1670 \ / "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same." \ <========================================================>

Re: Protective gear In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Norman Hamer) writes: >Question for the day: > >What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei >rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap >leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots, >leather pants, what? What's your favorite body part? :-) -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland [email protected]

Re: Bacteria invasion and swimming pools I have been struck down this past week by a stomach bug and fever which went away quickly when treated with an antibiotic. The pharmacist told me the antibiotic is effective against a wide variety of "gram-negative bacteria." I was wondering where I might have acquired such a bacteria. Could they hang out in swimming- pool water, or would the chlorine kill them? Feeling better, I am J. Bronstein [email protected]

HABS TIE SERIES AT 2 !!!!!!! YAHOOOOOOOOO! The Habs tied this sucker at 2 and the teams now head for Quebec City to play game 5. BTW, final score was Habs 3-Nords 2. The score might be a bit misleading. The Habs dominated the game from the 5:00 mark of the first and then on. The score should have been 8-2 if it weren't for some miraculous save from a Ron Hextall (bastard!). He's the reason the score was as close. Habs winning goal was scored by Benoit Brunet at 1:07 of the 3rd. Roy had an OK game. He made the first save (one way or another) and the defense was there to clear any rebounds. This just in, ESPN radio reports that the Bruins lost 6-5 in OT. YAHOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Those suckers got what they deserved. Life is just great!!!! Now if my finals would go just as well! Nick (I'll take off my town crier hat now) --- The Czar of Mainframe Computing <[email protected]> McGill University

Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. In article <[email protected]> Graham Toal <[email protected]> writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Pat Myrto) writes: >:If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public >:so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few >:isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a One more time... If they released the algorithm, it would be possible for someone to come up with an implementation which was identical, but lacking an escrowed key. Note that the press announcement mentioned that the algorithm was being kept secret for security of the key escrow system. In this case security means "an escrowed key for EVERY clipper chip". Assuming you believed all that is said about the effective of the algorithm, and the escrow system, which would you buy : (a) Chip from firm A with the escrowed key (b) Second source chip from reputable firm B with no key in government escrow. There would obviously be powerful economic incentives for a second source, non escrowed, vendor.

Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Leigh Palmer <[email protected]> writes: > I feel sure >that someone must have film of that experiment, and I'd really like to >see it. Has anyone out there seen it? I've seen a film of it, my memory may be faulty, but as I remember it the vehicle was slightly over a meter long, with a thick baseplate 30-40 cm in diameter. I think the narrative said it was propelled by dynamite sticks. There were four detonations within about 2 s, the second coming after about 2 m of flight in. Max altitude seemed to be on the order of 50 m, but that is hard to judge. -- Urban Fredriksson [email protected]

X interactive performance We recently got an NCD X-terminal to evaluate. This is running XRemote over a serial line. I wanted to get some measurement of response time, so I wrote a small Xlib program which simply creates a window, maps it and sends the first Expose event to itself. The program times the delay from sending the event, to receiving it. I thought this was the simplest way to test client/X-server round-trip delays. It's a similar concept to the ping(8C) program. Is this a valid test to perform ? I've also tried the xbench program, available from ftp.uu.net, which bombards the server with graphics operations, but I just wanted to get a quantative measure of what is "acceptable" interactive response time. Has anyone got any ideas on this subject ? Thanks. Andrew. ([email protected]) -- +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |Andrew Fielden. AT&T Network Systems UK | Tel : +44 666 832023 | |Information Systems Group (SUN support) | Email : [email protected] | +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

Re: Immaculate Conception (was Re: What WAS the immaculate You forgot one thing "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". Mark

Comments on TEXEL 5024 CD-ROM drive sought Anyone have any recommendations/warnings about the Texel 5024 CD-ROM drive or about any of its competitors? I'm looking for a CD-ROM drive for connection to a PAS-16 SCSI port. Hal R. Brand LLNL [email protected]

Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Carl Aron) writes: >>and the word "liberal" definitely has a different connotation >>than what you have written above. Just ask Michael Dukakis. > >Yeah, the Republicans have defined it to mean "spends money on things that >don't make our rich buddies richer" If you have something reasoned and intelligent to say then you should post. If all you can do is rant and rave- save it. > >or maybe they mean that liberals believe in "tax and spend" rather than >"borrow and spend" True conservatism is cutting spending and taxes. It's a matter of debate just how succesful the last few presidents have been at that. > >finally, it means "open-minded about things that I don;t want to be open >-minded about" I hear it again and again, and I've noticed far more often from liberals than anyone else- "if you don't agree with me you are close-minded" Look who's talking. I suggest you take a look at your post. I see nothing but unfair and unsubstantiated generalizations. It suggests that the author is anything but open-minded. Next time you feel like posting something like this- save it for somebody who cares. > >Carl ********************************************************* William Everett These opinions are mine- Harvy Mudd College You can't have them ********************************************************* "The insane fear of socialism throws the bourgeois headlong into the arms of despotism." -- Tocqueville, 1852 "The insane fear of Reaganism throws the Liberals headlong into the arms of socialism." -- McGuinness, 1993 *********************************************************

How do I find my AppContext? Is there an Xt call to give me my application context? I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut, whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use to give me this value? Thanks, Todd Greene [email protected] ~

Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] [email protected] (Pat Myrto) writes: > Can you, while my mind is on it, give us one good reason that the > algorithm should be a secret algorithm, unless this encryption scheme > either is a joke, or contains features like a 'master key' or other back > door for UNAUTHORIZED eavesdropping? Hmm, here are a couple: 1) If the algorithm becomes known, it will be easy to produce pin-compatible non-crippled chips that provide -real- encryption and privacy, because their keys are only in their users' hands. 2) Since SkipJack is a symmetric key cypher, it needs some way to agree on a session key. The released information says that any protocol may be used (e.g., DH). From a theoretical point of view, this is probably true. However, from a practical point of view, those chips must have some kind of key exchange protocol built-in. What if it is good old RSA? This will mean that the producer will have to pay lots of bucks to PKP. By keeping the details secret this can be avoided... Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: [email protected] D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany

Griffin / Office of Exploration: RIP Any comments on the absorbtion of the Office of Exploration into the Office of Space Sciences and the reassignment of Griffin to the "Chief Engineer" position? Is this just a meaningless administrative shuffle, or does this bode ill for SEI? In my opinion, this seems like a Bad Thing, at least on the surface. Griffin seemed to be someone who was actually interested in getting things done, and who was willing to look an innovative approaches to getting things done faster, better, and cheaper. It's unclear to me whether he will be able to do this at his new position. Does anyone know what his new duties will be? -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Yamauchi Case Western Reserve University [email protected] Department of Computer Engineering and Science _______________________________________________________________________________

Re: MOW BODYCOUNT In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Stephen Chappell) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (bearpaw) writes: >>I believe the MOW plans and handing out some sort of wristband thingy, and >>basing their count on those. I see two problems with this. One, can they >>get *everybody* to take one (and only one)? Two, they couldn't possibly have >>been able to choose a color/design that won't clash with *somebody's* outfit! >> >...and Three. The ads I've seen for the wristbands indicate they're >charging $5 a wristband. As I've seen them, the wristbands look like >clear plastic with multi-coloured "rainbow" threads in them labeled >"1993 March on Washington 999999" (the "999999" being your particular >wristband number). > >Certainly not *everyone* at the March on Washington will be willing to >shell out five bucks for a piece of plastic. I bought mine at the MOW storefront. Its not plastic, its woven material. but I think you miss the point. its not about the five bucks in your pocket, its about supporting the march and helping to pay for all the printed materail and scehdulkes and organisation and... all leading up to the literal *birth* of Queer visibility in this country. up to this point all our news coverage has been driven by events thatb happen to us. this event is happening by our direct action. of course the last MOW was the same thing but they ignored us. I guess that was just labor pains. perhaps they will ignore us again, in which case we will come in even largeer numbers next time. Lst night in DC there were so many queers out and about you could hardly get in any place. I suspect thatb over the next two days that will become exponentially larger. To my mind this is a physical bsuting down of the collective closet of queer invisibility. the five bucks is insignificant. LUX ./. owen -- D. Owen Rowley [email protected] ( also [email protected] ) [ EU-PHORIA: A STATE OF WELL BEING ] Euphoria is my natural state, I do what I enjoy and an abundance of all good fortune comes to me for it.

Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ken Arromdee) writes: >In article <[email protected]> mathew <[email protected]> writes: >>> > There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that. >>> Speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say: >>> Bullshit. >>Speaking as someone who also knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say: >>Go ahead, punk, make my day. My degree can beat up your degree. > >Simple. Take out some physics books, and start looking for statements which >say that there is no objective physics. I doubt you will find any. You might >find statements that there is no objective length, or no objective location, >but no objective _physics_? (Consider, for instance, that speed-of-light-in- >vacuum is invariant. This sounds an awful lot like an objective >speed-of-light-in-vacuum.) >-- Or, you can try not confuse a construct with the constructor. If you take a look at Quantum Mechanics, many objective observations can be made as well. However, Physics is not objective. Bohr said the randomness of atomic motion is inherent in the motion itself. Einstein said that nature is deterministic; it is our method of observation that inserts the randomness. They were talking about the exact same results. Depends on how you look at it, I guess. -- jim halat [email protected] bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you-- nyc i speak only for myself

Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Steve Gallichio) writes: > What is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus WC? > I know that the Rangers are holding back Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson for > Binghamton, but I also know that the Whalers wanted Michael Nylander to play > for Springfield, while Nylander wanted to play for Sweden. The Whalers allowed > the NHL to decide, and the NHL chose the WCs. How does this differ from the > Rangers and Oilers? Did the Whalers have to go through the league, or could > they have forced Nylander to play in Springfield? As long as a player is under contract to an organization, he is obligated to play only where that organization tells him to play or gives him permission to play. The Rangers are certainly within their rights to force Zubov and Andersson to report to Binghampton. It certainly does reflect a lack of class on the part of the Ranger organization, however. Is having Binghampton win the Calder Cup really more important to them than keeping their players happy? Alan

Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Since the wiretap chip is being distributed internationally, allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign governments, companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic citizens, this is a world-wide issue. Please put DISTRIBUTION: WORLD on the Distrubution: line. Thank you. [email protected] (The Jester) writes: >However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who >cares about the clipper chip? You don't care that people are being lied to, fooled into believing the chip gives "privacy" when it fact it allows wiretaps? You don't give a shit about anybody's privacy except your own? (And not even your own; are you so smart that you know when you're talking to somebody who has a wiretap chip on their phone instead of a privacy chip with private keys?) >attitude that everyone else should have. Instead of worrying about a >clipper chip, simply connect your handset to your computer and feed >the voice single through, process, encrypt, and transmit over the >phone. The guy on the other hand then does the same in reverse. "Simply?" "Everyone" should have this attitude? The only people who can have this attitude are the most hard-core computer hackers, who never make phone calls away from their computer, who apparently never call anybody except another computer hacker, or perhaps another spook (U.S. classified agents refuse to use their own system, only oblivious civilian dupes get that dubious privilege). Only spooks and hard-core hackers need privacy, huh? We *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but we're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized cellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy. Make-shift computer hacker rigs that require living by your computer to talk privately over the phone are just a dumb stunt that doesn't do anything for anybody's privacy in the real world. What we need is a true *privacy chip*. For example, a real-time voice-encryption RSA, put it into a silicon compiler and spit out ASIC. Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international business, diplomats, and private communications. If the U.S. bans it, we make it somewhere else and import it. The Japanese, German, Dutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the NSA spying on them. U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist stupidity. [email protected]

Re: Krillean Photography VINCI ([email protected]) wrote: : How about Kirlian imaging ? I believe the FAQ for sci.skeptics (sp?) : has a nice write-up on this. They would certainly be most supportive : on helping you to build such a device and connect to a 120Kvolt : supply so that you can take a serious look at your "aura"... :-) : Filipe Santos : CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics : Switzerland This has to be THE only, generally accepted, method of using common physics lab equipment to find certain answers to all the questions about afterlifes, heavens, hells, purgatory, gods etc. Krillean photography will probably be ignored as insignificant compared to these larger eternal verities. Publishing your results could be a bit of a problem, though. Cheers David

Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! --- Sean Eckton Computer Support Representative College of Fine Arts and Communications D-406 HFAC Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)378-3292 [email protected] [email protected]

SE rom I just bought a select 300 and rushed home to print some grayscale pictures for my kids, when I discovered that grayscale(and photograde) are not available if you are using an SE...even if you are running with an '030 cpu. You won't see this in the printer's docs, and the Apple rep didn't mention it to our users group either. It seems that SE ROMs won't support those "features". Okay, I guess I should have somehow known that this was the case. Let the buyer beware, huh Apple? Be that as it may, I have been thinking about the problem and I'm puzzled. Why can't a defencieny in the ROM be made up for in software. I write software for a living (on unix platforms) and I don't understand the "it just can't be done" responses I've gotten from those I have asked so far. Isn't Mode32, or somesuch piece of soft- ware, just such a fix. Anyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could someone armed with enough info and a little pro- gramming experience cook something up that would supplement the ROM's capabilities? Also, how does one know if one's mac can support the grayscale and photograde that the Select 300 is supposedly capable of? ( Short of buying the printer and trying it out like I did) Thanks for your help. Bill Wright [email protected]

Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM? In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Roger Maynard) writes: > >For those of you who can only decide which team is best after you have >seen the standings: > >TOR 42 25 11 95 .609 >CHI 42 25 11 95 .609 >DET 44 28 9 97 .599 >VAN 41 28 9 91 .583 > >No team in the Campbell Conference has a better record than Toronto. That's true, but according to your stats, Chicago has just as good a record as Toronto. It's interesting that you should list Toronto ahead of Chicago. Laurie Marshall Wayne State University Detroit, Michigan Go Wings!!

Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption In article <bontchev.734981805@fbihh> [email protected] writes: >and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. Robert L. Ward

Re: HELP! Installing second IDE drive Bill Willis ([email protected]) wrote: : In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Bill Barnes) writes: : : >Recently my cousin got a second internal IDE drive (a Seagate 210MB, : >I can look up the model number if it's important) and I've been : >trying to help him install it. [I've got a vested interest, since : >my machine's busted and I have to use his until I get mine fixed.] : >He already has a Seagate 85MB IDE HD (again, I forget the model number : >but I can find out.) : : >Anyway, I can't seem to get the bloody thing up. I've managed to get : >one or the other drive up (with the other disconnected), but not both : >at the same time; whenever I try, the thing hangs during bootup - : >never gets past the system test. The IDE controller's instruction : >sheet says it supports two drives; I think I've configured the CMOS : >correctly; the power's plugged in properly; I even learned about the : >master/slave relationship that two HDs are supposed to have (didn't : >know PCs were into S&M! 8^) and I think I configured the jumpers : >properly (the 85MB one is the master, the new 210MB one is the slave). : [deleted] : : >Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have : >two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help! : >-- : >----------------------- : >William Barnes SURAnet Operations : >[email protected] (301) 982-4600 voice (301) 982-4605 fax : >Disclaimer: I don't speak for SURAnet and they don't speak for me. : I've been told by our local computer guru that you can't do this unless you : perform a low level format on your existing hard drive and set your system : up for two hard drives from the beginning. I took him at his word, and I : have not tried to find out any more about it, because I'm not going to back : everything up just to add another HDD. If anyone knows for sure what the : scoop is, I would like to know also. Thanks in advance also. : : Bill Willis : 1. do not do a low level format on an IDE drive unless you have the executable for doing so supplied by the manufacturer. These are available from bbs's or mail but the mail version costs a nominal fee. 2. In addition to the master/slave jumper on an IDE drive there is also another jumper to indicate whether a slave is present. Get it right! 3. The cabling is not an issue as long as pin 1 goes to pin 1 goes to pin 1. No twisting or swapping on an IDE cable. Be sure of pin 1 on all three components - do not make assumptions (guesses are ok but assumptions are bad). 4. If the cable and jumpers are correct, and the CMOS setup is correct, then you may have to do an FDISK followed by a high level format. I have NEVER personally found this necesary, but perhaps there is something gone wrong with the data on the disks? Probably not but I understand your predicament - You will probably throw salt over your shoulders, wear funny clothes and do a spooky sounding chant while dancing around the room if someone said it might help. Good Luck Gordon Lang

definition of 2nd The debate over the Second Amendment rages on. Arguments continue over what a "well-regulated militia" is and what TRKBA means in practical terms. However, the ONLY authority in this area, is a binding court decision on the matter. Even a decision in this area is subject to an overturning by a higher court. Is there anyone who has the facts of a legal precedent, preferably a Supreme Court decision on the specific meaning of the 2nd Amendment?

Re: thyroidal deficiency In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Eileen Bauer) writes: > Thyroxin controls energy production which explains sleepiness, coldness, > and weight gain. There is also water retention (possibly around heart), > changes in vision, and coarser hair and skin among other things. Is there any relation between thyroid deficiency and depression?

Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: }>On a }>waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on }>a motorcycle, so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the }>centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for }>gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*. } }...FOR A WATERSKI BIKE. It contradicts nothing for a motorcycle. Not only that, but this morning I saw a TV ad for a waterski bike (a Sea Doo, for those who care). I watched the lengthy ad very carefully, and in every case and at every speed the riders turned the handlebars left to go left, and right to go right. In other words, they were *NOT* countersteering. So perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers... -- Curtis Jackson [email protected] '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" '92 Collie/Golden "George" "There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> |> I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base |> this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly |> of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition), |> almost all would want to complain. Therefore I take it that to assert or |> believe that "Freedom is not very valuable", when almost everyone can see |> that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert "it is not raining" on |> a rainy day. I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it |> it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values |> such as this exist. My own personal and highly subjective opinion is that freedom is a good thing. However, when I here people assert that the only "true" freedom is in following the words of this and that Messiah, I realise that people don't even agree on the meaning of the word. What does it mean to say that word X represents an objective value when word X has no objective meaning? jon.

Thermal fuse supplier wanted I have a thermal fuse from a Apple Laserwriter II power supply (Made by Cannon) that I need to replace. The fuse is not the standard tubular thermal fuse like those found in hair driers etc, but is a rectangular plastic package, much like a transistor or diode. It is about 0.2"x0.2"x0.1", with both leads coming out of one of the 0.1"x0.1" sides. I have been told that it was made by MITI, a asian company, but I can find no information as to a supplier. This fuse is rated at 1A, 130C. Does anyone have a source for this fuse? I only need 5 or so, which means that the manufacturer wouldn't even want to talk to me, let alone, deal with me. Please advise via E-mail. Thanks, Pat -- --- I like boats and bicycles, they're healthier than Valium --- Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Hardware Guru CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885, UUCP:cs.utexas.edu!horne

Sega Genesis + games for sale I have a Sega Genesis (barely used) that IUd like to sell with the following games: Sonic the Hedgehog (I) Revenge of Shinobi Thunderforce III I'm asking $160 OBO. I can best be reached via email, or alternatively, by phone at: (415) 497-3719. Alexander Hinds