Luke, SJT & Eli: no pointer to a validated and verified model yet? Here, I'll make it easier for you: point me to evidence that the discrete and continuous solutions of the 0D Navier-Stokes equations converge - since this is a major part of the underlying physics embodied in CAOGCM calculations, someone, somewhere, has evidence that these calculations are more than just numerical noise, right? So we *must* know the spacial and temporal scales where that convergence starts to fail, right? Because if we don't have this information, the models would be COMPLETELY unreliable, wouldn't they? Without that information, all the models are is a waste of time, effort and energy.