 essexandy said: Seriously, if you don't like the idea of earning money for other people you have to go completely on your own, not in a gang or with someone else. Oh and don't work on anyone's property as your efforts just might make them money in the long run. Truth is you're on poor money if you were on the cards, let alone self-employed. How were you self-employed whilst doing your apprenticeship? @MakeItSmooth is this long enough? Click to expand... 