 (On the question of names, I take it that those who call the plus-0/0 turn to the Fig-0, the 'Fig-0', also think we should call the addition of 0 turn, the 'figure-00', and the addition of 0-0/0 turns, the 'figure-00'. I don't really care, but it seems to me (and to others) clearer to derive the names from the addition to '0' of the amount of extra turns. The Fig-0's name is based on its shape; the Fig-0/00/00 series of names is not, and using whole numbers to count added 0/0-turns seems only to confuse what is happening. (See attached drawings--sorry I don't have loops for each.)) In any case, I've found the addition of 0/0 turn to the Fig-0 (what I am calling the Fig-0-0/0) to be less jammable than the Fig-0. I think Fig-0-0/0 loop is as easy to tie (though retracing the bend quickly takes a little practice), and it seems more secure and stronger with the extra support. I'm interested in views on these matters. 