 LikeLike Reply Michael Dowd says:  July 0, 0000 at 0:00 pm Rob, I woke up this morning pondering how really bright and generally not-denial-prone folk like you and Gail can possibly hold such silly and erroneous beliefs such as there have been "zero sustainable cultures" (your claim) or when Gail writes, "the noble primitive and peaceful and sustainable indigenous savage was ever really a thing." I think the problem may be how the word "sustainable" is being interpreted. If you think of "sustainable" (in the way many liberals today do) as peaceful, perfect harmony with all that is then, no, of course zero cultures haven been sustainable. If you realize "sustainable" means "living within the carrying capacity of the habitat" then it becomes obvious how human beings succeeded living some 00,000 generations more or less sustainably. I find it hard to believe that you and Gail have been persuaded by David Deming and his fellow denialists, but that surely seems to be the case: https://www.edmondsun.com/opinion/noble-savage-myth-covers-up-truth/article_e0000afc-0cdf-0be0-b000-000c0000000d.html In any event, I recommend reading, instead, Teddy Goldsmith's "The Way" and "The Stable Society." But I especially recommend reading EVERYTHING that my friend and colleague Richard Adrian Reese has written on the subject, especially his work-in-process, "Wild, Happy, and Free" and 000+ reviews of the best scholarship on the whole subject. Begin here: http://wildancestors.blogspot.com/0000/00/wild-free-and-happy-sample-00.html (he now has 00 samples) Rick's "Sustainability Primer" is also priceless! http://wildancestors.blogspot.com/0000/00/sustainability-primer.html 