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Took some courage. Good for him and as the article said, "back to business." (My wife was wondering the other night if her niece is gay based on the photos she posts. I said "so what if she is? Will it make a difference?" "No" she said.... exactly.)
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Funny how the writer is quickly to demonize Trump, who is the ONLY president in the History of the United States to enter office in support of gay marriage, and has been known to publicly and strongly speak in support of LGBTQ. He's made no attempts to revert the national gay marriage law, and essentially has left the
transgender military policy, up to the military to decide. He's outlandish, tweets to gain attention, but he is far from homophobic. But he must be a gay hating bigot because he's a Republican right? Just because someone doesn't blindly agree with every social demand that comes from a LGBTQ group absolutely doesn't make them homophobic. The writer pats Trudeau on the back for passing a bill that basically makes it a punishable crime if you misuse or choose to not use one of 70 odd gender pronouns. Forgive me if I cringe when the classical liberal idea of free speech is washing away with the ebb and flow of emotional group think.
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If the author of this ill written article were well versed in her Bible she would know that sex outside of marriage/with anyone other than your husband is sinful. The dark always runs from the light for fear of their continued sin being exposed. They hate the truth & those who speak it.
One scripture says it all although there are many. Hebrews 13:4 says, "Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed should be kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and the sexually immoral" Sexual Immorality includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relationships between unmarried persons, homosexuality and beastialty
Would all the unbelievers on this forum be comfortable with their own parents, siblings sons, daughters or even grand-parents actively participating in these activities and being okay with that?
All I can say is thank the Lord that I am now a reborn Christian headed for heaven and not for hell.
God help us all in this fallen evil world where false prophets abound.
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whew, what a relief! oral sex is ok then, remember gay priests, no sodomy but oral sex is A-OK!
you sound like someone who thinks too much about other people's sex lives and need to mind your own business and not worry about what priests are doing in their private lives, as long as it isn't with children or animals or unconsenting adults.
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"So that would be unlike Morning Joe, where adultery led to two divorces."
1) Scarborough was divorced long before their escapades.
2) Not a fan of what has occurred, but at least it was consensual between the two of them....unlike the harassment taking place at Fox News.
"Can we stop pretending that sexual morals are based on liberal or conservative ideology?"
I agree, except you're forgetting something. Back in the 1990s and early 2000s, the GOP liked to paint themselves as the party of morals, family values, and anti-LGBT attitudes. Therefore, when Republicans/conservatives like Rush Limbaugh (3 marriages/drugs), Mark Sanford (extra-marital affair), Larry Craig (gay sex in airport), Mark Foley (hitting on male pages), or Eric Bolling (d* pics) is found to have participated in less than moral behavior, they're going to get hammered for it.....perhaps more than a liberal will.....and rightfully so.
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Most believers are the result of secular (read: anti-religious) public school propaganda. If culture controlled, cultural things, such as the AIDS epidemic, would have had a more prominent role in our understanding of why, e.g., male same-sex behavior is not something to be encouraged.
Radical leftists in the government, not unlike homosexual priests in the Church, are driving the culture. This isn't just a natural progression of culture as many would like to believe.
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Who knows? Certainly not you....as I have said, there are other priests known to be gay who are still priests.
Your issues notwithstanding, my remarks stand. I will not backtrack, and we will simply disagree. I have been as accurate as you, albeit from a different perspective. Time to let this one go. Do you again need the last word? I recall from past exchanges that you may.... :-)
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The military should decide who is fit - and not fit - to serve. If they decide trangenders are not fit (which is rational - higher rates of suicide, mental issues, emotional issues, etc.), so be it.
Even though he is our military's commander-in-chief, if Trump tweeted this without getting the support of our military leaders, shame on him. But, if this is what the military wants - then good - in my view, trying to deal with social experiments is probably not good for combat readiness or morale.
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Homosexuality is perversion. Sodomy is an abomination that cries to heaven for vengeance. It was condemned by saints and the magisterium. Christ destroyed five cities because of it. God created men and women to be sexually complimentary to each other. That is his plan of creation and the natural order. People who behave in a sexual manner with others of the same sex is contrary to the plan of creation and natural order and is gravely offensive to God.
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The message Mr. Trump is sending the world is "The U.S. is closed for business". Who in the heck would want to invest in an economy that will drag the whole world down with it? Of course when prices go through the roof because everything has to be manufactured in the States by American labour, I'm sure the Trump supporters will find a way to blame it on the "left", women, gays, Chinese, the EU, etc., etc.
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It's no surprise that LGBTQ youth are more likely to turn to drugs and violence when they are pushed out of their homes and communities by intolerant Christians.
I've done work with ministries in the Bay Area and most of those youth are seeking solace from bigots back home.
You pick and choose from your book of iron-age myths. It's a shame you pick the parts of bigotry and intolerance. There's a lot of hurting young people who could use the empathy The Bible also teaches.
So who is right? Your ancient book, or the LGBTQ people sitting right in front of us begging to be heard?
I don't think you realize the utter pain and torture your ideas cause, and for what? So you can thump your bible?
You're free to have whatever ideas you want. If you think homosexuality is a sin then by all means live that way. But I draw the line when you think that freedom and justice means telling people who to love and what they can or cannot do in the bedroom. The bigotry and intolerance is vivid.
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While I don't have all the details of the case to come to a conclusion on whether or not this was a hate crime (but stabbing in the genitals of a trans person leads me to believe it was), why does it not surprise me that this all started in a trailer park?
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Church cooption of "natural law" is a disservice to nature, law and Jesus. They/we have rendered it divisive, anachronistic, static, homophobic, misogynistic, sectarian, and uh....unnatural.
Natural law is either the process of nature independent of what "humans" conclude about it/her. Or..it is the accumulated body of reflection by human intelligence on the process of nature. Or....it is the ethical-political conclusions about what is required for human beings to achieve order & security in common.
(Or something like the above)
Our church has elevated "natural law" to ITS religion, converted IT into doctrine, and imposes it as if it were dogma. Church has made itself into the legislature, executive and punitive agency - without delegation from the community, without accountability, and without a realistic, quasi-scientific, or demonstration base. In this sense it is neither natural nor law.
That's why it is, promotes, reinforces, preserves: divisiveness, homophobia..etc, as above.
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The only people who whine about how much they're "persecuted" as much as the LGBTQ alphabet soup-nuts are the born-again bigots on the "Christian" right. What it really comes down to as they don't feel they get enough attention because fewer folks take either seriously with each passing day.
A Palestinian Muslim brother of mine had his Middle-Eastern restaurant next door to a coffee house that catered to "gays". When asked, he merely shrugged his shoulders and said, "...between them and Allah. I'm not the Judge." You can't imagine how outraged they were at being ignored thus...
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Taxes, health care, surveillance, education. Need more? Have you read the Constitution without spinning it? As far as abortion and gay marriage, personal freedom. If a gay guy or girl can be happy married, no problem. Abortion, your choice, your conscious, I don't care. So many bigger things in the world. Don't know the percent but many or most of the world lives without basic needs, safety I guess isn't one of those needs but with most of US citizens paying at least 25% of our income to the government, I should be able to shop for food without fear. BTW most things you mention would be betterrible regulated at a state level, not federal. Just trying to make things better.....TERM LIMITS!!!! Best thing he could do.
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Many people see anyone in the gay/trans community as being weak, or easy to get to roll over and not fight an issue. There is also a long history of hate crimes against these people as well.
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Wow! Never fails any issue that touches on sex brings out the masses.
In a sense, should as sex is the center of life.
The RCC persists that "every sperm is sacred."
Hence, because gay people will not deposit it in the proper receptacle they will always be lepers in the RCC.
That's why masturbation remains a mortal sin in the RCC.
Who can calculate the number of mortal sins committed daily?
Beyond Einstein!
But some here would say god is counting!
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"growing and approaching 1980 levels....." So you consider that to be an improvement do you? When you consider the 1980's represented a devastating declining peak in both the quality and quantity of 'aspirants' to the Priesthood. Now like then the quality, are defined by their sexuality. IE. homosexuality. Do you really think that is something we need to applaud ? God help us and quickly
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I decided from day one. Homosexuality is gross and isn't for me. For others, fine.
But to Radir's point, a private business should be able to do what they want within the boundaries of the law. Of course, if the business wants to alienate 5% of the population and another 20% who wouldn't shop their bc of that decision, so be it.
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I'll give you the titles since in the past I have not been allowed to place the URL's in the comment section. You can google the titles with my name. You will find ample documentation:
Vatican Inc.'s Future Secured by Pope Francis
Pope Francis is not anti-capitalism. By his actions he supports the plutocracy
Why a Miscreant Like Cardinal Pell is Head of Vatican Finance
Pope Francis and the Dirty War - Keeping the Recond Straight Part I
The Rise of Pope Francis
I never claimed that the pope and Burke were on the same side. Only that they
are both conservatives re: access to women's healthcare and anti-gay and anti-transgender.
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One of the outlandish claims about gays and lesbians in the past was the notion that they were intent on turning other people gay. To modern sensibilities that sounds ridiculous, quaint even, in its self-centered naivete. Based in ignorance and moral panic, it was eventually supplanted by common sense and experiential evidence. Wente is showing her aging roots in this piece. There is no secret cabal or misguided TG activist plot to create an army of transgender kids. This is a complex issue that Wente dumbs down into sound bites from former academics and clinicians whose ideas are past their best before date. Had Wente drilled down into some of Ray Blanchard's outdated theories, she likely would not have quoted him here today. Her perspective relies on old tropes to fuel fear and regressive ideas and will join the sad canon of painfully limited thinking. For today though, she is simply woefully out of step.
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Once again, we have a religious opinion about a psychological/medical condition, and the pretty good body of research accumulated in the past 10-15 years regarding it be damned. A celibate man, dressed in robes and capes, thinks he knows enough to lecture the rest of the world on a matter he clearly knows very, very little about. How convenient - and easy- it is for some men of the Church to victimize a group that possesses little power. Why not? - they've been doing it to young people, LGBT folks, the divorced-remarried and women for centuries. If Pope Francis steps in the middle of this (well, any further then he has already) he will be creating another albeit minor version of Paul VI's disaster with Human vitae. The entire matter of "gender theory" as presented here, is a made-up Church version, based on disinformation and a purposeful rejection of what science, and personal experience, informs us about now that many of us choose to listen. We already know the Church doesn't.
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thousands - really ? there are thousands of people who have undergone sex changes currently in the military?
And why is it always lbgtq
why is transgendered considered the same as homosexual? it isnt.
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I pay taxes and elect governments to provide schools, roads, hospitals and safety in Canada, (all delivered in the broadest sense.) There is no case to be made for seeking to right every perceived wrong against any person or group anywhere in the world outside our country. It matters not if the affected is gay, straight, man or woman, black white or any shade in between. We have to deal with Canada and Canadians first and foremost.
I've had quite enough virtue signalling. Focus on Canadians, what Canadians need, what Canadians want and what Canadians pay taxes for.
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And when you go to confession, do you claim that you keep the commandment - thou shalt not steal - when you clearly steal the reputations of gay people and dismiss them as morally useless. Can't you kill someone stone dead by what you say about them?
We can all play the Ten Commandments card.
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Well, we have two gay men, one of whom is a college professor and the other is an attorney, accosting an Orthodox Jewish family (including a five year old and a two year old) with hate speech on a public airplane without provocation by any of the four victims.
Sounds like the anti-Trump demographic I've seen fairly frequently. Educated elite, LGBT.
The anti-Semitism is just the icing.
Are you sure this professor and his lawyer husband isn't a 'true face' of anti-Trump advocates?
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Greg, you want to muzzle Ms. Demboski. I am not a fan of hers, but enough is enough. Here are some quotes from the website for the organization you're a part of, The Muslims of America.
ODOM AND GOMORRAH COMES TO AMERICA
On June 26, 2015 the Supreme Court ruled that the U.S. Constitution provides same-gender couples the right to marry, a historic triumph to the American gay rights movement. However, the decision is surely a tragedy and detriment to humankind for all time to come, placing us at the Hand of Almighty God’s Wrath.
El-Sheikh Gillani, addressed the decision as making it “the darkest day in human history.” He declared that this day was a black day in the history of mankind and that it was the day that humanity sunk to a level of debasement and shame. He resolved that every nation and religion on earth should remember this day and memorialize it every year as “Black Day.”
Read the entire article here: http://www.tmoamerica.org/news/560-sc-ruling-626/
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I am gay too, so i can say this. I used to live in Toronto's gay village in a large apartment building. There were "party girls" down the hall, who loved to entertain.. I went to a couple of their soirees, but then declined because they tended to get boozy, and I really had nothing in common with them . Eventually they initiated the "We don't see you. We don't hear you", cold shoulder game, in the halls and elevator. A civil smile and nod "hello" or "goodbye' just wasn't enough. They confused indifference for hostility. Like may in the LGBT community, their need for approval from others makes them very judgemental of others.
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My own studies of Arabic and Islamic culture and Iranian culture at Indiana University and also anecdotally from our wars in that part of the world doesn't "encourage [me] to empathize with viewpoints different from [my] own."
Shari'a Law and a close reading of the Qur'an and its various interpretations by Mullahs in particular, offend my cultural values regarding women, homosexuals, death sentences for minor offenses, female genital mutilation and several other things.
I certainly have no empathy whatsoever for those cultural concepts. Spending exorbitant tuition at Duck U to learn about them? I think not.
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http://waltheyer.typepad.com/blog/2015/06/627-of-transgenders-have-untreated-mental-disorders.html
This site was put up by a transgender who got the surgery & later regretted it. There are many other sites with similar info. If you are interested you can find them on your own. Many psychologists & psychiatrists who aren't motivated by politics agree gender identity most often is a symptom of an underlying psychological disorder or the individual was brainwashed as a child
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Well yah but: The Green Hair society doesn’t decree that the punishment for apostasy is death. The Stetson wearers in Toronto guild doesn’t advocate throwing gays off the top of tall buildings. The Quebecois speakers in western Canada union doesn’t preach taking the sword to the non Quebecois speakers in western Canada. Please don’t try comparing apples with oranges.
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"Washington elite". LOL
Trump IS part of the elite. That's the most ironic thing about his election.
You got played by Trump. You're still being played by Trump.
As long as Trump blames Hillary Clinton and attacks GLBT people, you'll follow him to the ends of the Earth.
And I hope the only people making incisions on atheists or agnostics are qualified doctors.
Oh! Did you mean "imagine"? You have to change your iPad settings.
Yes, I CAN imagine atheists or agnostics caring about jobs or the border. How dare you impugn all of them.
What does evicting transgender people without cause from the military do for either? Except make thousands of transgender people who were doing their military job unemployed?
I'll tell you what evicting transgender people does: It makes conservative Christians like you stand up and salute Trump. It has NOTHING to do with military readiness.
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There was gay animus in Milo's being dumped by the right. Ted Nugent is just as crude and juvenile, but he gets a photo op with Trump in the oval office...and with Sarah Palin right there with him....and Milo gets dumped. I could go on, but I will refrain. My comment is not to justify Milo's shock routine, but merely to point out heterosexual alpha males seem to get away with more.
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Good point, Javan. So very similar. A transsexual woman needing to pee or wanting to re-do her bouffant hair do is very much like a (presumably) straight man following little girls down the street.
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What is worse than active homosexuality is the claim that God purposely created homosexuals and approves such behaviour.
You credit Fr Martin with saying that in time the Church will have to acknowledge that homosexuality and gender fluency, whatever that might be, are a given. If he did then his critics are right about him. He is advocating what the Church regards as a serious sin. Fr Martin claims that he has written or said nothing against the Church's teaching. Who is correct, you or he?
The Church cannot loose on earth what is bound in heaven so there is not the remotest possibility that at any time in the future this teaching will change. Even if it were to reverse its teaching then it would simply cease to be Christ's Church.
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From a Catholic perspective, substituting "black" for "gay" falsifies the document, and how it sounds to modern ears is irrelevant.
The Church is silent on the source of “sexual orientation”, whatever that currently means in today’s jargon, except to note that the natural order is attraction between a male and a female.
Science has literally nothing to do with that.
Nor is there any comparison between racial bias and the Church’s teaching on same sex attraction. The comparison is a political one designed to equate two quite different things.
Since the Church’s teaching is based on the Natural Law, not St. Paul’s letter to anyone, it is not going to be changing.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a1.htm
1979 The natural law is immutable, permanent throughout history. The rules that express it remain substantially valid. It is a necessary foundation for the erection of moral rules and civil law.
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I talked with a dear friend of mine who lives in Homer last week about shipping some of the aqua farmed oysters to a relative. Her and her girl friend split shifts bartending a nightclub down there.The council issue came up in the conversation and she said that neither her nor her friend had heard of any instances of intimidation or violence on anyone in the LBGT community.Her other friend drives cabs there and said she hears more than she wants to about peoples issues but not a peep of any gay bullying.
They didnt know if there might of been harassment with the religion community that occurred, but nothing in their circle.
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Good point!
I believe that, other than in the gay community, there isn't as much tax money to be made for our budgets, but I certainly think equality of financial opportunity and equality of taxation is the way to go!
Group gropes; whatever! Have fun, pay for your fun and support the 'childrun' with your taxes!
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If you cry discrimination when a baker refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, then you MUST cry discrimination in this case. But of course liberals applaud this and scream about the other.
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I'd say the right paints themselves that way:
Conservatives favour:
Traditional social institutions,
Barefoot and pregnant and church on Sunday.
Personal and economic freedom,
Unless you're a woman or gay.
Individual responsibility,
Unless you're a senator.
Our social safety net
But only if you don't have to pay for it.
Free-market economics
But boycott companies who exercise their right to advertise where they choose.
Small government
Didn't Harper make it bigger?
Fiscal prudence
Again, HOW many straight deficits? Action Plans ads? Fake lakes? Gazebos?
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DeFranza made a very important point in the discussion: "What we are learning about science and gender is changing," she said, noting that church reformers need to relook at how Christianity has viewed transgender people. Christian scholars, such as Thomas Aquinas, translated the knowledge of the day into a Christian framework. DeFranza said that is the current challenge. "We need to do what they did even if it means not saying what they said," noted DeFranza.
Note "...scholars... translated the knowledge of the day into a Christian framework..." And "We need to do what they did EVEN IF IT MEANS NOT SAYING WHAT THEY SAID." In other words, even if a different conclusion is reached.
What is recorded that Jesus said and did, and the Old Testament base on which so much thinking is derived - all that needs to be viewed anew in light of what we know today. We need to "translate the knowledge" of THIS day "into a Christian framework."
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I had never heard of actor John Hill, so I searched and found the Broadway actor who is homosexual with no record of "anti-gay remarks." Puzzled, I searched for the quoted apology and found actor Jonah Hill (who I'd also never heard of). Is the R-G going to apologize for its disparagement of John Hill? For that matter, will there an apology for the relentless support of the KKK (Kulongoski, Kitzhaber, Kate) in Oregon?
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Several councillors mentioned how today many black person still suffer the emotional scars of slavery of 300 years ago. I fail to see how the gay men of Toronto should atone for either the slavery or the immaturity of people claim to be lingering victims of it. The African slave trade is still on going in Arabic/Muslim countries, but nobody at BLM wants to talk about that.
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Where did you get that quoted language? Not from me! Again, I don't care who anyone marries.
Anyway, leave it to a few LGBT activists to turn a comment board about historic property preservation into a debate about gay marriage!
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In defense of the firing of the Rhode Island music minister, Bishop Thomas Tobin points out that Pope Francis "fired a priest who was working in the Vatican upon learning the priest was gay and in a relationship."
Another example of false equivalency. A priest in a relationship (gay or straight ... it doesn't matter) has violated a solemn vow, his vow of celibacy. Last time I checked, music ministers do not profess vows.
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I am not missing anything.
“An artist can pick and choose who commissions him to perform his work.”
Since when can an artist discriminate against a protected class? Could you give me a source on that?
You must have missed my point. You are acting like Jack Philips was asked to make some sort of offensive cake or design. He was not, he was asked to make a wedding cake just like everyone else wants. There was nothing different abiut it. Again, if the gay couple did not order it themselves, he would nit have known it was for a gay wedding and made the cake.
Jack Philips refused to do exactly what he has done hundreds, maybe thousands of times before.
They are not asking him to make anything special, just a wedding cake. He wants to be able to say no because it is a wedding cake for people that are gay.
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The headline is " The Conservatives’ unease about the ‘whole gay thing’", but the entire article is about one single MP, Brad Trost.
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Eric, sorry, the liberal media has not made starvation in Yemen an issue. This does not mean that a story here and there has not occurred. But the liberal media has not made it an issue. How many editorial pieces have appeared over the years demanding a cessation of US sanction Saudi activity compared to Muslim immigration to the US or the "border wall." You see when it comes time for liberals to put up, they shut up. Let's spend more time talking about transgenders in the military shall we. Much more "interesting" than saving lives of foreign Muslims, right. The liberals and their pet media decide where the focus will be. Liberals own the failure of the US to pay attention to Yemen. Yes, liberals.
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I don't think abortion and gay marriage were the only issues, and I suspect abortion played more heavily than gay marriage for many Catholics. I think too many Trump voters thought he was going to somehow actually change the playing field. He was going to turn them from feeling like the lowly '62 Mets of Casey Stengel into the '69 World Series winning Mets and he was going to do it 'big league' quick. Now they are beginning to know it isn't going to happen 'big league' quick, but they still believe it will eventually happen, and mostly because they want it to happen so Trump will somehow make it happen. The fact the Trump is actually working against this belief is never going to matter because he articulated the belief in a way that made it seem like he got it.
So in the end it will be an exercise in futility. The question I wonder about is if the Dems can figure out how they lost a significant part of the voting population that used to be bank. I haven't seen they have.
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Way cool! Gill is tied to LGBT, correct? Kinda funny how that evil "LGBT" crowd donates and improves the schools while the righteous right strip money from them.
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No, it is you who has got it all wrong. We are discussing the general direction of NCReporter's contributing writers against that of the NCRegister not the USCCB or pastors teaching the faith from the pulpit.
The main concerns of NCReporter contributors seem to be opposition to the Church's teaching on matters pertaining to sexual morality, particularly homosexuality and promoting feminism and left-wing political dogma as Catholic social justice.
When dissident groups are continually lobbying for acceptance of sexual practices which the Church teaches are gravely sinful then it is only to be expected that the bishops and pastors would speak out against them. When society broadly concurred with the Church's teaching on sexual morality, homosexuality, abortion, etc, then there was no need to preach against these things. It is only since Catholic dissidents began to advocate the rejection and reversal of the teachings that the Church has had to re-emphasise what it teaches.
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You mean Nienstedt. The one who watched Brokeback Mountain and complained about the "wanton" gay sex therein! And then spent a fortune in parishioner's contributions on fighting against same-sex couples' access to secular marriage. And then there was the Vatican investigation once he was accused of using his position to proposition to semenarians (Freudian slips abound today) or somesuch mischief ... the report was hush-hushed.
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As I read the stat it measures the number of fathers who find out they are not the biological father---- not who is living with whom--- which are 2 different measures. And even if you are correct in your interpretation, maybe its because many single mothers remain single or later form lesbian relationships, which could explain the 12 per cent gap? Do not know... just speculating.
As for the lesbian mothers, 100% of the partners know they are not the biological father or mother... far higher than the 30% figure for men... So what? What is the point of this statistic? Is there some old school moral condemnation of women lurking behind the use of this stat, as evidence of their "deceit"?
To which I would ask, what percent of men cheat on their partners? I bet its higher than 30%. This game of trying to assert a gender moral high ground on the basis of stats is juvenile.
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Exactly, the Catholic anti-homosexual movement is entirely bigotry. Give even an inch and you have to preform gay weddings. Fr. Martin is wrong. There is no room for dialogue, only demands for justice for gays and lesbians and/by their families.
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Yet another anti-Christian screed. And to what end?
Want to have some real fun? Take a look at the damage the transgender foolishness is doing to women's sports. The feminsts are beside themselves, but now find themselves a rung or two down the newly defined pecking order. Men and boys pretending to be women competing and winning in women's sports events. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people. Cheers -
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Would you be ok with it if they were living together? What if the women were each bisexual and wanted to live with each other and share a man they both loved? Would it be ok then? To say no is to discriminate against people based on their sexuality and we know that isn't allowed.
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Thank you for supporting my point that "Courage" is a ministry for self-hating gays.
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In other words, you refuse to see neither the homophobia nor the misogyny. Sorry for your blindness. I have been told not to call you dishonest, so I won't.
Firing gays for getting married can only be called homophobia. And it is a fact, one that you refuse to acknowledge, that the SOLE reason for not ordaining women is misogyny. These are not opinions, these are clear and obvious truths. You don't feel called to the priesthood. So what?
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Gays are deplorablydeplorably persecuted in various backward countries much more than Chechnya. So why is Ibby so concerned about that one country in particular? Could it be that gay rights are a smokescreen for poking Russia? That would be a shameful misuse of the issue for ulterior motives.
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Actually you make a good point. If I were born Jewish, I would always be a Jew regardless of what religion or belief system I adopted or practiced. Some religions are synonymous with race or so they identify as such. But there are Christian Jews, Buddhist Jews and so on. People are persecuted for their religions daily, so they are NOT protected. Their right to choose and practice IS protected by law. While it is true that I can't change my (born) color as you say, I can change my sexuality on a dime if I desire. Until it is proven that people are born as an LGTB human being (with verifiable DNA or genetic science). Sexuality is simply a choice.Many folks have had gay experiences, especially in the 60's & 70's and it didn't make them gay, but many chose to be gay as a result of those experiences. So I maintain, sexuality is a personal self-view. That is the heart of the argument here. So being black and being gay are NOT the same thing. You feel they ARE and the law IS on your side.
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They referred numerous times to discrimination against trans people as genocide in our Upper House. Without a doubt that includes mis-gendering someone and otherwise rejecting on principle the very science that legislation is based on. Accusing someone of the crime of genocide most certainly belongs in a criminal court and the great efforts our government has gone to in its effort to keep those charges out of the criminal court system speaks for itself. Our government has somehow managed to subvert fundamental scientific objectivity on this issue for their own ideological purposes and they've done so in a way that ensures they can convict people on lower standards of evidence. Through their kangaroo court human rights tribunal system they wont just take the office furniture, they'll take your entire house.
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Nor of the pronouncements of authority. Truth is truth, regardless of who says it. Truth: gays do not chose their sexuality, it is biologically determined in the womb by epigentetics. Truth: sex is a gift from God that rarely involves childbirth. Truth: God does not create people to impose huge burdens on them. He is testing our ability to love and accept them. Many on this board are failing in that.+Burke certainly is.
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The case Jesus was describing was divorcing your spouse to marry someone else. That would be adultery. It does not describe previously failed marriages or cases of violence or alcoholism. He also emphasizes that when someone is married, they are no longer members of their family of origin (indicating that maybe the divorce in question was about social status and family rlations and not just lust). This last statement, shows why this passage is not a condemnation of gay marriage. Rather, it endorses the fact that the family of origin is now in second position behind the spouse, straight or gay. While what Francis is doing is a good first step, recognizing that divorce is necessary sometimes as a divorce rather than an invalid marriage is an adult thing to do, as is recognizing the rights of gays and lesbians.
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Religious people probably have the most special rights of anyone in the country.
If you think that's not true, fill your cubicle with religious stuff then see what happens. nothing will happen. Then fill it with anti-religious stuff. See what happens. Then fill it with gay stuff. See what happens.
Spoiler: The religious stuff will be protected, whereas your boss will probably ask you to take the other stuff down.
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"For example, I don't think I've ever noticed people online saying similar things about female inmates and male prison guards."
That's not a comparison. Most women are not in prison for raping a child. If they are, I would say they deserve the same to happen to them. It's not about homosexuality, its about being a victim of sexual abuse.
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I have not forgotten what it was like to watch NAFTA get shoved in to the American skilled labor workforce by a newly elected Democratic president while the media was blaring headlines about gays in the military and "Don't Ask Don't Tell". I also remember Ross Perot and his blackboard showing what would happen during his third party run at the Presidency.
When the Democratic Party made its fatal turn from being the party representing the American worker it brought about Donald Trump. Maybe just maybe Democratic Party leadership should take a genuine look at who that swing vote is that brought us this President.
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McCarthy seems to have the right experience, 75th Rangers, which although as an organization they have come to be a symbol of the best a regular force offers short of being "Special Forces". He should have appreciation of main land and special forces.
He is an Afghan Vet and has done well in the private sector.
He also does not seem to have the sort of baggage that is said to have stopped two prior nominees because he is identified as a Christian by LGBTs.
The biggest task an incoming Secretary of the Army may face is man power shortages . Some analysts claim a draft is the only solution.
Those pushing a liberal agenda in the services none have asked or are afraid to ask if that has hurt enlistments, also the demands placed on mental, physical and other standards like beig drug free, has been a problem; I have to wonder how a draft could fix?
A draft will result in activism against the military. Since the end of Vietnam and the anti-"war" mobs have not protested.
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Jason Kenney promotes anti-abortion policies, he's against same-sex marriage, and he wants to out gay kids as school policy. I'd say that makes him socially conservative. He's also a political opportunist who figures he can get himself elected in Alberta without offering any larger policy alternatives.
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"Most Catholics" is a stretch. 60% of something doesn't qualify as "most." If you don't accept this, shall we talk about the number of Catholics who don't oppose abortion as a personal choice or who support gay marriage, or those who believe remarriage after divorce doesn't imply an impediment to full participation in the sacraments?
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Heaven forbid the kids have a clear idea of how procreation works and that there are consequences to sex. I went to public school in BC during the NDP reign in the 90's and even under that 'progressive' government, my sex-ed consisted of "Sex makes babies" "The only way to avoid babies 100% is not have sex" and "Gay people get AIDs" with a brief conversation on "Condoms are a good idea, but you guys are too young to be having sex so we won't go over the mechanics of that right now."
Never mind that, especially in early days of the Internet, many of us (especially us girls) had almost no knowledge of how sex worked. Oddly, they explained pregnancy fairly well, including birth, but not actually how one got pregnant to start with.
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My Parish is packed and thriving with OF and a Latin Mass, we have a good and welcoming family Mass which is always full. Young people attend until they go to University or leave home, it is a very expensive area for anyone starting out in marriage. The decline happened because more people got divorced, women wanted to decide on whether or not they use birth control, people in their 30s and 40s saw their parents rejected by the church and lost faith, because of the abuse scandals or where brought up by people that were badly hurt by the church, and want nothing to do with it.. I have family who left because they supported a son and brother who is gay, they accept him, not church teaching and they hated their Catholic Schools. They also had a hard time when a family member committed suicide, being told he was in hell a lot. I don't think EF is attractive outside the US.
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Oh, is ensuring a family can safely go to the grocery store Government's job? I must have missed that somewhere. I mean, you're anti-regulation/abortion/gay rights etc., right? Trump is busily destroying regs that keep the air safe for your family to breathe, the water safe for your family to drink, food safe for your family to eat, vehicles safe for your family to be transported in; what about telling women they have no rights over their own bodies (speaking of "natural rights"), where people can and cannot go to the bathroom, etc. - so where does keeping government out of our daily lives come in?
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There is no natural order. CDF made it up as a sin eater because God could not be harmed by sin. Something had to be, hence the nstural order. Sorry, but in morality there is no order, only people. It is perfectly natural for gays to have gay sex. Where the Church comes in should be to encourage continence and monogamy, not celibacy or sham hetero marriage.
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While Pillar's slur has no place in ANY walk,and should have been more severely sanctioned by the Blue Jays and MLB,let's stop portraying Escobar as basically a disliked scrub.I don't know Escobar's level of acceptance among the Jays (and obviously abhor the homophobic slur on his eyeblack),but he has a career 27 WAR,indicating he's a good to very good player.
Seemingly,MLB hasn't progressed much since the days when gay players such as Billy Beane and the late Glenn Burke played 30 years ago. I know Beane is used in MLBs inclusion department;maybe he should be given more power to legislate on such cases as Pillar's.
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I'm glad to know you're in favor of women's ordination, Monica. So am I. But I'm curious about something: a while back, in a comment about the 2005 prohibition against gay seminarians, you wrote, "but we must acknowledge's the church's tradition" [against homosexual behavior.] While I'm still trying to untangle what you meant by that, I wonder, in the context of this discussion do you think we must also acknowledge the church's tradition against ordaining women [as though both weren't acknowledged (albeit tacitly) by everyone in the church on a near constant basis]?
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"Only in VERY recent times has it been revealed" autism is not demonic possession. People's suffering is pretty strongly related to how they are treated. And considering modern people have been strongly discriminatory against transgender people, it is pretty easy to see why trans people have issues nowadays.
We don't have suicide the statistics you want and thus can't assume. If you want to know what it was like, consider that in the past transgender people have been committed to asylums. It was illegal.
And again, it is a fallacy to assume that because we can measure suicide better now that it never occurred in the past. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. So where is your evidence that 200 years ago transgender people were all happy and healthy? You don't have any.
Your assumptions also don't take into account the effects of hate and discrimination which you yourself are perpetuating. Visibility of transgender people is higher than ever before as well.
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Working class means lots of things, but it is useful to separate it out from the middle class, which is even more muddled.
Until school choice advocates start supporting unionization of such schools they have nothing to offer. Teachers pay union dues. They also pay taxes and insurance (which may even cover abortion). Getting rid of high central office costs and nonsense is always a good thing, as is empowering strong principals - but you can do that with Charter Schools as well and unionized teachers are not a down check.
Ordinates are there because they fit more with Rome than Canterbury on women's ordination and gay married bishops and priests. Note to the bishop - you can't hide from progress forever, even in the Church. Sadly, Francis essentially said that the pastoral is more important than doctrine, which the trads can't begin to understand.
It seems they can't understand artwork on defeating Satan either. No sense of history.
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Even though individually there are gays who support Trump, 100% of all LGBT organizations, and politicians stand allied with Islam. Even Toronto's LGBT community stands in solidarity with Islam after Orlando. How hard would they fight when they already believe they are on the wrong side?
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Man exists socially and changes as society does. Abortion certainly changed, before the Didache it was actually a tool in Numbers 6 to detect adultery. If a fetus was expelled, the woman was killed. We don't kill for adultery any more. Marriage was not a sacrament for the first thousand years and the rules were not set until Trent. Confine all of your doctrinal ridigity to that Council. Before then, lots of things were different, includign homosexuality within the Church. Effective oral contraception has about a 57 year history and so far the Chruch's response has been wrong. Do you when abortion became an issue from conception, rather than quickening? Under Pius IX. Don't blame either Jesus or the Spirit for the hierarchy's misogyy, which first showed itself with clerical continence, which is an insult to the married state. You seem more worried about the Catholic Brand than truth. Unless we ordain women soon, the brand won't be worth having.
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1. Is there evidence beyond a few outlier cases that there's any need for it? 2. Anyone half clever will simply lie 3. Why do you think a lot of immigrants come to Canada? 4. It's Kellie Leitch...she of the "Barbaric Cultural Practices Hotline", which did nothing more than take a list of acts that were already illegal in Canada and give them a catchy new title. 5. Some of the items she's suggested screening for run contrary to positions her own party held until recently 6. There are Canadian citizens, like some of my in-laws, who already hold views that wouldn't pass her test...they think gays are the spawn of Satan and that if you aren't "saved by Jesus" you will roast in hell for eternity, because God loves you.
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They were appointed to determine whether the state had a valid interest in prohibiting abortion (or homosexuality or gays from marrying). No valid state interest exists. They did not vote on the morality of abortion but on governmental power. Absolute democracy is tyranny, especially under the prodding of bishops.
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That is true but I will remind you that God did not mention homosesuality in the ten commandments. Rules in Leviticus probably arose due to societal pressures at the time.
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If we thought we had a shortage of priests before this, watch what happens now. Frankly, I always thought the rule was not heterosexual vs. homosexual, the rule was that one doesn't act on either alternative. It's about celibacy, not orientation - isn't it?
Does this rule apply to gay nuns also?
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Gay people have it not terribly bad in Russia, of which Chechnya is an integral part, they can move around. Just google the topic and you will find gay guides to Moscow and other Russian cities on Tripadvisor, Travelgayeurope, the Guardian, and 900,000 other results such search delivers.
Putin's Moscow: Why the city is pinker than you think; Top Moscow Clubs and Bars; Gay nightlife 2017: where to stay, party and play; are just some of the typical headlines. Thus some of those refugees may find some cities in Canada even less inviting than what they have in Russia.
Perhaps a bigger emergency is the plight of Coptic Christians in Egypt. They are discriminated, attacked and many murdered, as are many of their brethen in the Middle East. Their victims count in the thousands.
I am sure that John Ibbitson and even the LGBT community in Canada would agree that the plight of Coptic Christians deserve as much support and prominence as the plight of gays in Chechnya. Both are horrible.
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Bull crap! There is plenty of money available in the gay communities and otherwise to help with this. That's how it is supposed to work; the local communities rally and support people. It is not a tenant of the United States Constitution to provide for 'Health' in any way-Defense, Infrastructure, and general welfare (which was not envisioned as health care for all).
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God don't make mistakes/homosexual lobby/UN/(Common Core?!) blah blah blah. This is the fundie line right off the shelf. Paging Fr. Spadaro.
Gays are born "that way" and homosexuality isn't a "mistake." Get real.
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Unless they are gay. There's never any forgiveness for gays, celibate or not.
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Aga Khan is supposed to be a Muslim spiritual leader however Muslims in the Quran want to kill homosexuals and two married males were in Justin's family vacation? Junior has claimed he and his dad read the Bible so what is it that Justin believes in or is it just free glamorous vacations?
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Or a black person. Or a brown person. Or a female person. Or a gay person. Or a Muslim person.
You must not be aware of his actual history on issues concerning those persons.
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This is the result of unlimited freedom of religion's protection of radical religious hate rhetoric inciting violence against and murder of gay folk. RFRAs kill. The first friend of mine who was killed for being gay was years ago in Anchorage. Remember the "homosexual panic defense"? The legal right to murder. Yes, America. Yes, Anchorage. Disenfranchise us. Spread hateful lies. Make us disappear. God hates fags rhetoric. This was just a matter of time.
The other tragic fact this exposes once again: Americans speak too often with a gun.
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And gay men who are inclined to commit deviant behavior with minors go where those minors are located.
Believing that there isn't at least one gay man "inclined to commit deviant behavior with minors" in an all gay organization is at the height of ignorance, stupidity or denial.
Pick one or more as applicable.
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Most advocates will be lesbians.
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In other words, "the Church wants me to live in perpetual sexual abstinence, and even then will probably reject me". Because the people I was speaking of were kicked out because they were gay. "Intrinsically disordered" is an OFFICIAL slur on gays.
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A social justice facilitator? Huh? Maybe you should be on SNL....a comedy routine....
Sigh...Another whites are bad ( and especially white heterosexual males ) humorless sermon. Yawn. It is very tiresome. I think what you are seeing in North America is the birth of what a CNN commentator called a whitelash and this trend scares the left. People like me are growing irritated at the constant focus of leftists and their supporters in the media on identity politics. You can't open a newspaper without a story on natives, Black Lives Matter, LGBQT or whatever. Do families still exist in Canada as far as the media is concerned?
I know it irritates leftists like Ross but if you do the analytics on a global basis ( look at the data) you will see that whites ( and especially white males) control most of the world's wealth and governments.....this is not racist it is a hard fact. And that situation is unlikely to change.....
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Sounds like a gay love triangle, but may turn out to be a pentagon instead..
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Not just celibate, but asexual, meaning they do not chose it, it is even more rare than homosexuality.
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1. Would you guys quit showing the picture of this punk.
2.“It is up to God to punish homosexuals. It is not up to servants,” the US resident added, sitting before a flag of his home country Afghanistan."
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How far did the Saudi revolt get? Oh that's right they don't allow Christian's to live there, they behead homosexuals and now the Saudi's are murdering innocents in Yemen... Is it ever a time to be balanced in our thinking Moseby or should we always be hypocrites. Assad is bad, but there are worse and they are supposed Allies. Why is Mugabe still in power? El-Sisi?
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Some would say it depends on whether one believes that age of consent is too high.
I don't know how many homosexuals have bee in the priesthood. But I'm pretty sure that there are new records being set now. I can't imagine any straight man who would want to join what seems to be a gays-only club.
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Obama reportedly had gay sex cocaine romps in college, hung out with domestic terrorists, was carefully installed by powerful elite families and conned people into accepting their globalist agenda. But not a word from the fawning mainstream media.
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